FreeBSD Vs. OpenSuSE Vs. Fedora Core 6

[Inhumane]

Which would be better for:
A. Semi new Linux user (though not afraid of using Terminal and whatnot)
B. Is not a walking ad (eg. Ubuntu, those icons are everywhere and I'm sick of it)
C. Has the most package support (Debian has the most, I think. But I don't have luck with Debian based systems)
D. Most easily customized (Such as installing Kernels, compiling programs, ect)
?

I keep coming back to Linux becuase I'm bored with Windows, but everytime something breaks (something that would require a reinstallation, or spend your whole life trying to fix), I've just used Ubuntu too much for my expriments and it's just no longer fun to keep reinstalling it - nothing new to find out anymore

So I'm looking for something new

I'm sort of in a gap between the three above, SuSE has a lot of their silly logos, which is more than annoying, and they're more of "inside" (mainly support their built in programs).

FreeBSD sounds perfect, barely any ads, very generic. It seems like stuff is MADE for FreeBSD (eg. With Ubuntu, you have a Debian system, but packages aren't specificly made for Ubuntu, and stuff that works with one Debian system might not work right with another) (and since FreeBSD is only one (PC BSD and stuff don't count, they're too small, no one notices them, which is good), the packages would, I assume, work right out of the box. Plus it's concidered very stable)

FC6-Same as FreeBSD, but from what I've read it's a bit unstable.

Can someone help me out with the choices? :KS

[igknighted]

Which would be better for:
A. Semi new Linux user (though not afraid of using Terminal and whatnot)
B. Is not a walking ad (eg. Ubuntu, those icons are everywhere and I'm sick of it)
C. Has the most package support (Debian has the most, I think. But I don't have luck with Debian based systems)
D. Most easily customized (Such as installing Kernels, compiling programs, ect)
?

I keep coming back to Linux becuase I'm bored with Windows, but everytime something breaks (something that would require a reinstallation, or spend your whole life trying to fix), I've just used Ubuntu too much for my expriments and it's just no longer fun to keep reinstalling it - nothing new to find out anymore

So I'm looking for something new

I'm sort of in a gap between the three above, SuSE has a lot of their silly logos, which is more than annoying, and they're more of "inside" (mainly support their built in programs).

FreeBSD sounds perfect, barely any ads, very generic. It seems like stuff is MADE for FreeBSD (eg. With Ubuntu, you have a Debian system, but packages aren't specificly made for Ubuntu, and stuff that works with one Debian system might not work right with another) (and since FreeBSD is only one (PC BSD and stuff don't count, they're too small, no one notices them, which is good), the packages would, I assume, work right out of the box. Plus it's concidered very stable)

FC6-Same as FreeBSD, but from what I've read it's a bit unstable.

Can someone help me out with the choices? :KS

I use FC6 as my primary OS and it is tremendous. It is very current with its package selection, but many claim it to be "a beta for RHEL", which is a flat out lie. I don't have any major issues with it, and find it far more polished than Ubuntu.

BSD is a pain in the a$$ to install and get running, plus there are no graphics drivers or most binary packages, so you will end compiling a lot. In fact, while the install is easier, it is a lot like gentoo in operation (thats the closest linux equivelent). Portage and BSD's Port system are very similar. PC-BSD has a CNR type thing, but I dunno how many packages there are. All this said, if you want a challenge, BSD is fabulous once you learn it. But understand that while linux is barely supported, BSD is worse (most drivers for linux don't work on BSD).

Opensuse is great, but holds your hand a lot, it doesn't sound like what you are looking for.

[IYY]

B. Is not a walking ad (eg. Ubuntu, those icons are everywhere and I'm sick of it)

Where do you see any ads in an Ubuntu system? If you mean the logo in the login screen, sorry, but pretty much all distributions do that, and it's fully customizable anyway.

[PurplePenguin]

FreeBSD sounds perfect, barely any ads, very generic. It seems like stuff is MADE for FreeBSD (eg. With Ubuntu, you have a Debian system, but packages aren't specificly made for Ubuntu, and stuff that works with one Debian system might not work right with another) (and since FreeBSD is only one (PC BSD and stuff don't count, they're too small, no one notices them, which is good), the packages would, I assume, work right out of the box. Plus it's concidered very stable)


You seem like you have your heart set on BSD. Go for it. Just don't expect *anything* after your install... every kind of BSD I've tried have been completely bare after install and a pain to get even simple things set up - all in my opinion, of course.

I've never seen a linux distro with any ads in it. If you mean things like the Ubuntu logo, that's just on bootup, in the top corner (I can't think of a distro that doesn't customize its "start" button or something similar to show its logo) - this can be changed quite easily by overwriting a file with whichever graphic you want, and on the background wallpaper(again, easy to change).

I really like PCLinuxOS, which I think is Mandriva-based. Suse's not bad, but not as polished as Ubuntu, in my opinion. Sabayon's cool, but I find it's not hardly as stable as I'd like.

When in doubt, start downloading live cds. :D

[rai4shu2]

For package support, you can't beat FC6. Tons of great mirrors.

[RAV TUX]

Which would be better for:
A. Semi new Linux user (though not afraid of using Terminal and whatnot)
B. Is not a walking ad (eg. Ubuntu, those icons are everywhere and I'm sick of it)
C. Has the most package support (Debian has the most, I think. But I don't have luck with Debian based systems)
D. Most easily customized (Such as installing Kernels, compiling programs, ect)
?

I keep coming back to Linux becuase I'm bored with Windows, but everytime something breaks (something that would require a reinstallation, or spend your whole life trying to fix), I've just used Ubuntu too much for my expriments and it's just no longer fun to keep reinstalling it - nothing new to find out anymore

So I'm looking for something new

I'm sort of in a gap between the three above, SuSE has a lot of their silly logos, which is more than annoying, and they're more of "inside" (mainly support their built in programs).

FreeBSD sounds perfect, barely any ads, very generic. It seems like stuff is MADE for FreeBSD (eg. With Ubuntu, you have a Debian system, but packages aren't specificly made for Ubuntu, and stuff that works with one Debian system might not work right with another) (and since FreeBSD is only one (PC BSD and stuff don't count, they're too small, no one notices them, which is good), the packages would, I assume, work right out of the box. Plus it's concidered very stable)

FC6-Same as FreeBSD, but from what I've read it's a bit unstable.

Can someone help me out with the choices? :KSI would suggest none of the above.(or below depending upon your user CP options)

I instead suggest rPath or Gentoo(if Gentoo scares you start with Sabayon)...also Puppy Linux is a lot of fun.

[jdhore]

i would suggest FC6

[Adamant1988]

I use FC6 as my primary OS and it is tremendous. It is very current with its package selection, but many claim it to be "a beta for RHEL", which is a flat out lie. I don't have any major issues with it, and find it far more polished than Ubuntu.

BSD is a pain in the a$$ to install and get running, plus there are no graphics drivers or most binary packages, so you will end compiling a lot. In fact, while the install is easier, it is a lot like gentoo in operation (thats the closest linux equivelent). Portage and BSD's Port system are very similar. PC-BSD has a CNR type thing, but I dunno how many packages there are. All this said, if you want a challenge, BSD is fabulous once you learn it. But understand that while linux is barely supported, BSD is worse (most drivers for linux don't work on BSD).

Opensuse is great, but holds your hand a lot, it doesn't sound like what you are looking for.

Uhm.. well that is it's basic purpose..

Fedora is to RHEL as OpenSuse is to Suse Enterprise Linux
Fedora is to RHEL as Freespire is to Linspire.



Anywho.. haven't tried the BSD or Fedora Core 6. Always been a fan of bluecurve though, even used it on Ubuntu. OpenSuse 10.2 is probably the most amazing distribution I've used to date, though. But the packagemanagment is pretty slow.

[Inhumane]

I would suggest none of the above.(or below depending upon your user CP options)

I instead suggest rPath or Gentoo(if Gentoo scares you start with Sabayon)...also Puppy Linux is a lot of fun.

I just checked out rPath, seems great, but this if the first time I've heard of it... Umm. Do you have personal expriences with it? If so, could you tell me what it uses as it's update manager? (I don't really have time to read about it right now, have to go). I also looked at some screenshots, looked like it had a bunch of random apps slapped together.

[igknighted]

Uhm.. well that is it's basic purpose..

Fedora is to RHEL as OpenSuse is to Suse Enterprise Linux
Fedora is to RHEL as Freespire is to Linspire.



Anywho.. haven't tried the BSD or Fedora Core 6. Always been a fan of bluecurve though, even used it on Ubuntu. OpenSuse 10.2 is probably the most amazing distribution I've used to date, though. But the packagemanagment is pretty slow.

The relationship is more like personal user, give back to the community software vs. sell this to business software. Some stuff may help RHEL later on, but lots of stuff innovated by Fedora is of no value to RHEL (like AIGLX)

[deanlinkous]

The relationship is more like personal user, give back to the community software vs. sell this to business software. Some stuff may help RHEL later on, but lots of stuff innovated by Fedora is of no value to RHEL (like AIGLX)

Thank you. I was going to mention some differences but I knew he would take it the wrong way. I do not think freespire/linspire is ANYTHING like Redhat/Fedora and I honestly cannot understand how anyone else can think it. But I guess they can somehow...

[RAV TUX]

I just checked out rPath, seems great, but this if the first time I've heard of it... Umm. Do you have personal expriences with it? If so, could you tell me what it uses as it's update manager? (I don't really have time to read about it right now, have to go). I also looked at some screenshots, looked like it had a bunch of random apps slapped together.rPath is possibly one of the most advanced OS's to date...simply the best 64bit OS....and clean a beautiful Gnome....there is a thread on it here somewhere

[mips]

You seem to want to try FreeBSD. Maybe try DesktopBSD which is freebsd will all the extras done for you. Just check what base version of freebsd it uses, should be 6.x by now I think.

BSD has the option of both source & binary packages but there are more source packages. I don't like pcbsds PBI package manager althought you can still use portage.

[Adamant1988]

The relationship is more like personal user, give back to the community software vs. sell this to business software. Some stuff may help RHEL later on, but lots of stuff innovated by Fedora is of no value to RHEL (like AIGLX)

Well, it is community developed, so of course it's not going to be all "I think this will go good in the next RHEL". But the basic function of FedoraCore is to offload some of the development work onto the community, to speed up the development of RHEL. Yes, fedora core is a wonderful distribution that does lots of things that are actually fun and will never see RHEL, but that doesn't mean it's not serving the same purpose. You're just getting some fun out of it.

Fedora is a great distro, but it is basically a test run to see what's stable enough for use in RHEL.

The Fedora Project was created in late 2003, when Red Hat Linux was discontinued. Red Hat recommended that commercial Red Hat Linux users switch to Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), which continues to be Red Hat's only officially-supported Linux distribution, while providing Fedora Core for more casual users. RHEL branches its releases from versions of Fedora Core, which has led some critics to observe that Fedora Core users are in effect beta testers for RHEL. See the RHEL page for the versions of Fedora Core and their corresponding RHEL versions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Core

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Thank you. I was going to mention some differences but I knew he would take it the wrong way. I do not think freespire/linspire is ANYTHING like Redhat/Fedora and I honestly cannot understand how anyone else can think it. But I guess they can somehow...

I want you to tell me how they are different in their CORE function. Provide evidence to support your statements.

[rai4shu2]

Freespire/Lindows is more like CentOS/RHEL.

[Adamant1988]

Freespire/Lindows is more like CentOS/RHEL.

how do you figure?

[fuscia]

have you tried openbox, on ubuntu? no ads, customizable, you can still get packages from apt (emerge is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow, so i imagine the bsds could be as painfully so) and you can just keep stripping out junk you don't want.

[rai4shu2]

how do you figure?
CentOS is based on RHEL, as Freespire is based on Lindows. Fedora is really a distro in its own category.

[Adamant1988]

CentOS is based on RHEL, as Freespire is based on Lindows. Fedora is really a distro in its own category.

RHEL is based on Fedora. Lindows(Linspire) is based on Freespire.

[Inhumane]

RHEL is based on Fedora. Lindows(Linspire) is based on Freespire.

Lindows was def before Freespire

[Adamant1988]

Lindows was def before Freespire
Yes, but the purpose of Freespire is to serve as the community developed "sister" to Linspire. Freespire is going to be developed much faster than Linspire, and future Linspire releases will be based on Freespire. Meaning that, as I've said again..

Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop uses openSuse
Red Hat Enterprise Linux uses Fedora Core
and
Linspire uses Freespire