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chris308
February 7th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I'm a Christian father of two and a network manager in a k-12 public school. I also volunteer to help anyone in need of technology assistance. This is such a welcome project. I can't tell you how many people need a way to provide a safe surfing environment for children/students. I have dabbled the last few years with Linux and love it, but admit to becoming frustrated at times with the difficulty of getting everything working just right. Your distro provides an easy way for me to set up a safe Internet browsing workstation or even an entire site by easily pointing workstations to my Ubuntu CE sever.

Our district has so many problems with their content filtering solution that I thought making something like this a reality for a small Christian school or individual parents would be unrealistic. So thank you so much for everyone's work on this project and may God continue to bless this work.

My next project is to try and build a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

prizrak
February 7th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Look for older mini-ITX systems. They normally run mobile CPU's that are pretty low in power consumption and if it's something from previous gen (non Core basically) it should be pretty cheap.

mips
February 7th, 2007, 08:50 PM
I'm a Christian father of two and a network manager in a k-12 public school. I also volunteer to help anyone in need of technology assistance. This is such a welcome project. I can't tell you how many people need a way to provide a safe surfing environment for children/students. I have dabbled the last few years with Linux and love it, but admit to becoming frustrated at times with the difficulty of getting everything working just right. Your distro provides an easy way for me to set up a safe Internet browsing workstation or even an entire site by easily pointing workstations to my Ubuntu CE sever.

Our district has so many problems with their content filtering solution that I thought making something like this a reality for a small Christian school or individual parents would be unrealistic. So thank you so much for everyone's work on this project and may God continue to bless this work.

My next project is to try and build a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

I'm not pro any religion but try to take the best from all. Your post would be better suited in the UbuntuCE forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=168
as that is where all the Christian related stuff goes

I'm glad you enjoy ubuntu and you have a strong believe in your religion but I don' really agree with you advertising it here. I believe in God but not religion so please take it to the forum I mentioned above..

Brunellus
February 7th, 2007, 09:47 PM
I'm not pro any religion but try to take the best from all. Your post would be better suited in the UbuntuCE forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=168
as that is where all the Christian related stuff goes

I'm glad you enjoy ubuntu and you have a strong believe in your religion but I don' really agree with you advertising it here. I believe in God but not religion so please take it to the forum I mentioned above..
Being somewhat aloof to the whole UbuntuCE project, I am wondering what makes an UbuntuCE server different from a standard ubuntu server install?

Otherwise, OP's declaration that he is a Christian is incidental to this post, and not in itself offensive.

doobit
February 7th, 2007, 10:21 PM
To add to the mini-itx idea, there are certain mini-itx mainboards that already have two onboard networking ports, so look for one of those.

mips
February 7th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Being somewhat aloof to the whole UbuntuCE project, I am wondering what makes an UbuntuCE server different from a standard ubuntu server install?

Otherwise, OP's declaration that he is a Christian is incidental to this post, and not in itself offensive.

1. You should not question as religion is involved here.
2. No, it was not offensive.

Brunellus
February 7th, 2007, 10:36 PM
1. You should not question as religion is involved here.
2. No, it was not offensive.
clarify that comment.

From my understanding UbuntuCE is essentially stock ubuntu with a few scripture-study packages, plus minor branding changes. None of those things would work without X, so what makes an UbuntuCE server without a GUI any different from a stock Ubuntu install?

mips
February 7th, 2007, 10:42 PM
clarify that comment.

From my understanding UbuntuCE is essentially stock ubuntu with a few scripture-study packages, plus minor branding changes. None of those things would work without X, so what makes an UbuntuCE server without a GUI any different from a stock Ubuntu install?

My thoughts exactly but it's religious in nature and people seem to have the hair on the back of their neck stand up if you question the validity of it. It's been discussed ad nauseum.

doobit
February 7th, 2007, 10:44 PM
Being somewhat aloof to the whole UbuntuCE project, I am wondering what makes an UbuntuCE server different from a standard ubuntu server install?

Otherwise, OP's declaration that he is a Christian is incidental to this post, and not in itself offensive.

I think he was just refering to the DansGuardian surf control filtering in UbuntuCE.

Brunellus
February 7th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I think he was just refering to the DansGuardian surf control filtering in UbuntuCE.
and that's installed by default? OK, that's a substantive enough answer for me.

Somenoob
February 7th, 2007, 10:51 PM
you don't need content filtering because your God prevents children from accessing inappropriate sites.

Brunellus
February 7th, 2007, 10:55 PM
you don't need content filtering because your God prevents children from accessing inappropriate sites.
Consider yourself warned. Any further flamebait will draw a one-point infraction, plus a thread lock.

koenn
February 7th, 2007, 11:15 PM
OP's declaration that he is a Christian is incidental to this post, and not in itself offensive.
No offense, and with due respect to the OP (short as it is, his posts makes me think he's doing worthwile things), but I also felt he's a bit over-accuentuating the Christian aspects.
I can understand that people have some aversion to it, and one might argue that introducing religion into a post about an operating system and related projects works as flamebait to those that have such aversion.

bastiegast
February 7th, 2007, 11:42 PM
No offense, and with due respect to the OP (short as it is, his posts makes me think he's doing worthwile things), but I also felt he's a bit over-accuentuating the Christian aspects.
I can understand that people have some aversion to it, and one might argue that introducing religion into a post about an operating system and related projects works as flamebait to those that have such aversion.

Please stop it! Many users here say things like: "Hi, i'm a linux user. Linux is superior to windows, that OS you use sucks." "Hey is that IE? Use firefox man it's better." "No I won't send you my files in .doc, I use open office, it's better than your crappy word, if you want to read my files download openoffice". Most people here have probably said something similair in any public place.
Now if the OP would have praised MS Windows to heaven on a linux forum I could see you take this as flamebait. But please, stop complaining about something as small as a religion, everyone is free to have his own religion and there's nothing wrong with showing other people you like it. You guys do it all the time if you would call open source a religion.
</shameless thread hijack>
To the OP,
I'm glad you found ubuntu CE useful. Many people think ubuntu CE is useless, but you gave a nice example it isn't.

koenn
February 8th, 2007, 12:12 AM
I see this is turning into a religious war and i don't want part of that.
I do object to your assumptions. I do not see "open source" as a religion, and I don't tell people "your OS sucks". I started using ubuntu because I needed an OS that was easy to install and easy to use after my 3 activations of WinXP ran out and calling in for a renewal proved too much of a hassle. I care about open source and especially open standards, open interfaces and open document formats because interoperability and access to information is important in my line of work.

Your comparison works to some extend : open source evangalists who take each and every oportunity to preach about open source will eventually **** people off. Likewise, people may get annoyed when religion, any religion, is dragged into something they consider a-religious.

re the original post, still with due respect and without intention to censor, i would find that post equally valuable without the references to Christianity and God. I mean, if someone would have socio-politic views he feels very strongly about and mention them in a post about internet connectivity and content filtering - wouldn't a lot of people go "what 's polictics has got to do with this ?"

koenn
February 8th, 2007, 12:27 AM
My next project is to try and build a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I know of people who take small routers (eg Linksys), and somehow manage to load Linux on tho them, configured with routing, firewall, openVPN etc. I imagine you'd want something similar. I have no idea how to go about it though.

Problem could be that for a proxy, you might need more processing power and memory than such appliance can offer and if the proxy needs to cache as well, you'd need diskspace and quite fast disk access so you'd probably be looking at (old / cheap) PC's.

matthew
February 8th, 2007, 12:30 AM
I mean, if someone would have socio-politic views he feels very strongly about and mention them in a post about internet connectivity and content filtering - wouldn't a lot of people go "what 's polictics has got to do with this ?"Yeah. And then they would just walk away without feeling the need to say anything.

Let's all move on...unless you have any suggestions for the OP regarding "a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable."


EDIT: koenn, you posted the above as I was writing this. Thank you for getting us back on topic at the same time I was trying to do the same...

doobit
February 8th, 2007, 04:34 PM
I know of people who take small routers (eg Linksys), and somehow manage to load Linux on tho them, configured with routing, firewall, openVPN etc. I imagine you'd want something similar. I have no idea how to go about it though.

Problem could be that for a proxy, you might need more processing power and memory than such appliance can offer and if the proxy needs to cache as well, you'd need diskspace and quite fast disk access so you'd probably be looking at (old / cheap) PC's.

There was a series of the Linksys routers that you could flash the ROM and make them do all kinds of nice things. I remember reading and article on that. You may well be able to do what you want this way.

Here are some things I found:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4729641740.html

http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linksys-Blue-Box-Router-HOWTO/

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2939623667.html

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1934591,00.asp

chris308
February 14th, 2007, 01:52 AM
Wow! I get tied up for a few days and check back to see a fire storm.... of sorts. :-(

First, my apologies to the general Ubuntu forums. I did not pay attention and mistakingly took the general forum for an Ubuntu CE forum.

I really appreciate the suggestions and attempts to keep other posters on track. I have to admit to being surprised at some people's reaction to my short accolade to the Ubuntu CE project. Get a life guys. :grin:

For those that seem to discount my enthusiasm for the Ubuntu CE project I want to explain why I feel it is so great. First, I fully understand it is based on Ubuntu and do not dismiss this project's role at all, but the out of the box content filtering is what makes Ubuntu CE the distro for me. I love the Bible apps and the Christian Firefox theme, but it's scripts and out of the box usability is golden for my needs.

After witnessing my son accidentally stumbling upon a porn site simply by misspelling Disney.com, I take preserving the innocence of children very seriously. I control a network of 450 workstations for over 1,000 middle school students. I have used Debian, Mandrake, Kubuntu, SuSe for the last few years, but let's face it....Linux takes a bit of tweaking to get just right. By using Ubuntu CE for my base install I get the power of a Debian based system, its apt package management system and Dan's Guardian with GUI out of the box! Don't get me wrong, I love to tweak, but I tweak all day for a living and just need stuff to work sometimes. I volunteer to help individuals and small private schools when I can. Due to this, I probably have an exponentially greater ability to introduce others to the world of gnuLinux than the typical Windoze sucks dude crowd. ;) So if this distro is not for you fine. We all have our preferences and open source makes choice a reality.

As for a dedicated Ubuntu CE proxy appliance, I think I may give a 1u rack mounted commodity pc/server a try. Components are cheap and it should be able to handle the demands of up to 100 concurrent users.

In short, it was Ubuntu CE that got be to switch to Ubuntu Linux. That guys is a good thing!

Take care and God bless!

Motoxrdude
February 14th, 2007, 02:06 AM
Im glad you like Ubuntu CE :)
I will have to try it out for my younger bro since he is coming of age.
As for building a cheap proxy server, I would advise looking on some second hand computer sites. Try craigslist.org for some local listings. I have a PIII at my home that I use as a server and will soon be installing Ubuntu CE on and it works great.

macogw
February 14th, 2007, 04:49 AM
I know of people who take small routers (eg Linksys), and somehow manage to load Linux on tho them, configured with routing, firewall, openVPN etc. I imagine you'd want something similar. I have no idea how to go about it though.

Problem could be that for a proxy, you might need more processing power and memory than such appliance can offer and if the proxy needs to cache as well, you'd need diskspace and quite fast disk access so you'd probably be looking at (old / cheap) PC's.
Linksys routers have Linux installed when you buy them. They're just Linux + routing software + web-based GUI. IPtables is inside the Linux kernel, that's why Linksys routers are considered "hardware firewalls".

mips
February 14th, 2007, 09:54 AM
Linksys routers have Linux installed when you buy them. They're just Linux + routing software + web-based GUI. IPtables is inside the Linux kernel, that's why Linksys routers are considered "hardware firewalls".

The newer ones no longer use linux (with exception of a few models I think) and now use VxWorks if I'm not mistaken.

mips
February 14th, 2007, 09:58 AM
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My next project is to try and build a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

1.Define affordable, what is your budget more or less ?
2.Would you like it to have a HD or use Flash memory ?
3.Does it have to run Ubuntu or would you be happy with another linux/unix OS ?
4.What apps do you intend to run on it ?

Once we know the above we would be able to provide you with much better answers/ideas. I already have a few in the back of my head.

chris308
February 14th, 2007, 06:16 PM
1.Define affordable, what is your budget more or less ?
2.Would you like it to have a HD or use Flash memory ?
3.Does it have to run Ubuntu or would you be happy with another linux/unix OS ?
4.What apps do you intend to run on it ?

Once we know the above we would be able to provide you with much better answers/ideas. I already have a few in the back of my head.

1) I think anything under $500.00 US
2) Flash memory would be great for lower power consumption, but cost more and may not be large enough for my install.
3) I would like to install UbuntuCE since it requires little configuration to act as a proxy content filter and is very easy to maintain via apt.
4) Ideally, I would love a lighter weight distro. Perhaps installing another lighter weight Debian based distro and running Ubuntu CE's convert scripts is the way to go.

Thank you for taking an interest in this project of mine. I appreciate any and all advice.

mips
February 14th, 2007, 07:11 PM
Chris,

In principle, what do you think of the following,
http://www.routerboard.com/rb200.html

You wont have a gui or anything but remote admin is possible via gui.

Has enough connection options and you might even be able to plug a video card into it if really needed.

I see it as real hobbyist project.

cowlip
February 14th, 2007, 07:18 PM
The newer ones no longer use linux (with exception of a few models I think) and now use VxWorks if I'm not mistaken.

Link to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G#Hardware_and_revisions

You can find tons of old Linksys wrt54g products on ebay however, for pretty discounted prices. They'll should tell you the version/serial number.

Linksys also sells the wrt54gl (linux) which is 20 bucks more expensie..

chris308
February 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM
This looks very promising. I wonder how a 266MHz process will handle routing and content filtering? I would love to hear from someone that has used one of these boards. I see it can use an ide based drive or compact flash via an adaptor and has low power consumption.

Thanks for the info!

Highway
February 22nd, 2007, 01:31 AM
This is exactly what you want:
http://www.censornet.com/

It's simply fantastic. They have recently changed from a fully opensource based product, to a more comercial one, which is a pity, but the free one is still there, and has more than you could hope for it'd say (and it's Debian based)

Dj.

RAV TUX
February 22nd, 2007, 03:59 AM
I'm a Christian father of two and a network manager in a k-12 public school. I also volunteer to help anyone in need of technology assistance. This is such a welcome project. I can't tell you how many people need a way to provide a safe surfing environment for children/students. I have dabbled the last few years with Linux and love it, but admit to becoming frustrated at times with the difficulty of getting everything working just right. Your distro provides an easy way for me to set up a safe Internet browsing workstation or even an entire site by easily pointing workstations to my Ubuntu CE sever.

Our district has so many problems with their content filtering solution that I thought making something like this a reality for a small Christian school or individual parents would be unrealistic. So thank you so much for everyone's work on this project and may God continue to bless this work.

My next project is to try and build a small dedicated (low power consumption) proxy server appliance that is affordable. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Chris


Your post would be better suited in the UbuntuCE forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=168
as that is where all the Christian related stuff goes



I have to agree with mips I will move this thread to the Ubuntu Christian Edition (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=168) forum.