Does ubuntu resemble Mac ?

[unlokia]

Hey people - I have heard a lot of talk that Ubuntu tries to imitate mac OS X, in varying degrees of form and function. I am open minded regarding this, but I wanted your opinions :)

Oh and a VERY VERY Merry Christmas - may God bless each one of you and all whom you love! :D

[insane_alien]

i can use ubuntu intuitively(almost) but OSX just confuses me. it reduced meto tears after about 5 minutes. i'd say they are sufficiently different

[KiwiNZ]

Hey people - I have heard a lot of talk that Ubuntu tries to imitate mac OS X, in varying degrees of form and function. I am open minded regarding this, but I wanted your opinions :)

Oh and a VERY VERY Merry Christmas - may God bless each one of you and all whom you love! :D

Where have you heard this???????:rolleyes:

And is it because Ubuntu has icons , and shortcuts and menus and little clicky things? :confused: :rolleyes:

I am a tad concerned as to the motives of this thread to be honest

[MetalMusicAddict]

I am a tad concerned as to the motives of this thread to be honest

Naa... I think its innocent. ;)

I think their some similarities between Apples OS's and Gnome but its small ones. Theres similarities between every OS and or DE.

[Stone123]

Hey people - I have heard a lot of talk that Ubuntu tries to imitate mac OS X, in varying degrees of form and function. I am open minded regarding this, but I wanted your opinions :)

Thats trolling , if it was a fact i would have changed to suse or debian.

Admins close this thread and move it to garbage.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Thats trolling , if it was a fact i would have changed to suse or debian.

Admins close this thread and move it to garbage.

Id say your reading too much into it. :cool: Debian and SUSE do 95% the same things that Ubuntu/Gnome does. Its not a Apple OS vs. Ubuntu think its similarities with Gnome.

[unlokia]

i don't see how a simple thread can be considered "trolling" - it was a simple question put to you all, so let us discuss it. I wasn't offensive or rude... where is the problem? :confused:

My goodness!. If there is no freedom of speech on the *internet* without some do-gooder piping up "report this thread" then what a sorry state of affairs this is!.

I personally find both similarities *and* major differences between Ubuntu and Mac OS X.. so what is your opinion?... the Gnome menu looks uncannily like Mac OS X menu, but then again it has no dock by default, and I cannot get used to the tangerine colour scheme... too simple and lifeless. :)

[dbbolton]

if you google "mac like linux", this is on the first page of results:

http://www.dugthawts.com/?p=61

[kerry_s]

Hey people - I have heard a lot of talk that Ubuntu tries to imitate mac OS X, in varying degrees of form and function. I am open minded regarding this, but I wanted your opinions :)

Oh and a VERY VERY Merry Christmas - may God bless each one of you and all whom you love! :D


I don't think so, but you can if you want( http://www.taimila.com/ubuntuosx.php ) . Linux is about choice & every one is different, you will rarely find 2 linux users with the same looking desktop. Most of the time you won't even be able to tell what there running (debian,slack,gento,bsd,...).

[KiwiNZ]

i don't see how a simple thread can be considered "trolling" - it was a simple question put to you all, so let us discuss it. I wasn't offensive or rude... where is the problem? :confused:

My goodness!. If there is no freedom of speech on the *internet* without some do-gooder piping up "report this thread" then what a sorry state of affairs this is!.

I personally find both similarities *and* major differences between Ubuntu and Mac OS X.. so what is your opinion?... the Gnome menu looks uncannily like Mac OS X menu, but then again it has no dock by default, and I cannot get used to the tangerine colour scheme... too simple and lifeless. :)

This as your thread title "ubuntu pretends to be Mac-esque" has me thinking about the motives of this thread

[unlokia]

What the?..... The title of the blog to which you refer is *only* a title - the author makes no further refs to Mac OS X *at ALL*!!

This as your thread title "ubuntu pretends to be Mac-esque" has me thinking about the motives of this thread

I would hope that you are not assuming you can read my mind, and make the bold assumption that my intentions are bad... this is a simple debate dude - don't get wound up!. The 'net promotes free speech, and if you as a Linux user and promoter, are afraid of anything which discusses comparisons between ubuntu or any *other* *nix/*nux, then I would have to assume that you have the problem here, and not myself. I simply stated that I have heard and seen varying comparisons within the Linux community, of Gnome copying ideas from Mac... why are you so defensive?

[mahy]

I think their some similarities between Apples OS's and Gnome but its small ones. Theres similarities between every OS and or DE.

I find Gnome very similar to OS X, but it might as well be Apple who's plagiarizing, not the other way around.

[unlokia]

You have to be joking right?. Do you realise how many years before linux was even CONCEIVED, that Macs were invented?...

MS copy Apple - it *could* be debated that *some* distros copy ideas from Apple - but Apple use *BSD core and they had their GUI up and running before ANY Linux distro. So really, I think not, as their GUI is super cool, just as is ubuntu and others in their own way, but just a little more hard to find your way around, and vastly under-documented... If this were *not* the case, then why are Linux community leaders constantly asking people to write documentation as it is scarce??. Hmmm

[KiwiNZ]

What the?..... The title of the blog to which you refer is *only* a title - the author makes no further refs to Mac OS X *at ALL*!!



I would hope that you are not assuming you can read my mind, and make the bold assumption that my intentions are bad... this is a simple debate dude - don't get wound up!. The 'net promotes free speech, and if you as a Linux user and promoter, are afraid of anything which discusses comparisons between ubuntu or any *other* *nix/*nux, then I would have to assume that you have the problem here, and not myself. I simply stated that I have heard and seen varying comparisons within the Linux community, of Gnome copying ideas from Mac... why are you so defensive?

Your title makes a statement , it is not asking a question. The statement is clearly intented to promote a certain reaction ( based on observed behaviour in other threads :rolleyes: )

[unlokia]

Okay so now you're my psycho-analist??... this is a *debate* and by closing it, you will answer my question!. Close it if ya like, but that is just plain unfair, as i have not one bit been offensive, and yes maybe sometimes questions *are* provocative, but why not join the debate and argue Linux' case, instead of shoving peoples opinions under the carpet. We are not debating whether or not someone should be executed dude, this is about *software*. I have the right to put a question to the community in whatever context I wish - I wish to find out the way people think about *nix etc, and if you cannot come to terms with that, then I am sorry.

I am passionate about software and computing, but I certainly do not intend to justify myself to a stranger who disagrees with how I phrase things, sorry!. I thought the whole idea with open-source was to allow freedom and modification for the common good - as far as I am aware that *includes* heated debates, passionate or boring... whatever...

If you are not willing to accept that I have a right to my freedom of opinion, then I am very much disappointed in your representation of free and open-source software communities. Remember this:

"Free as in free speech" - take that on board!

[MetalMusicAddict]

Okay so now you're my psycho-analist??... this is a *debate* and by closing it, you will answer my question!. Close it if ya like, but that is just plain unfair, as i have not one bit been offensive, and yes maybe sometimes questions *are* provocative, but why not join the debate and argue Linux' case, instead of shoving peoples opinions under the carpet. We are not debating whether or not someone should be executed dude, this is about *software*.

Nothing here should be a "argument". ;)

Well, in a effort to get this back on track. Do you think Ubuntu does pretend to be Mac-esque or do you think "Does Ubuntu pretend to be Mac-esque?" could be a better title?

[KiwiNZ]

I have changed the tiltle of this thread to be less flame enticing

[patrick295767]

kwin-baghira in your repos
http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php


Has someone a good MAC OS X theme for Openbox ??
(difficult to find)

[riven0]

Does ubuntu resemble Mac ?

Not necessarily. I think you're referring to Gnome in general, but remember, Ubuntu is brown, which is as unMac-like as you can get.

Now gnome can be made to look like OSX, (I like the dock application bar and the mac icons), but it can also be made to look like Windows. That's the beauty of open source, you can make it anything you want.

[engla]

I think it's similar to OS X in some ways, and it's pretty natural for us to pick up and mimic ideas from the competition.. But we should still do it because the ideas have merit and makes sense for the Gnome desktop, not any other desktop (like windows, os x).

Things that are similar are stuff like: sudo, some kind of ~/Desktop and ~/Photos organization weakly implied in ubuntu, and the simple "one application for each task" (compare "Preview" for viewing Pdfs and images in osx to EOG)

Things that could be more similar: I wish the fluid navigation of Finder was moved to nautilus.. you hover over a folder with a drag, and that folder comes open etc.. so it's easy to dig down into a folder with a dragged file (to move/copy). And stuff like being able to drag and drop things and alt-tab at the same time. Also a fundamental, general way, to "launch documents" by sending them to already running processes is badly needed for a future desktop.

Note: I was a Mac OS and OS X user for a long time, a much longer time than I've been using Ubuntu. I've used ubuntu full-time over a year now though.

[unlokia]

Okay that's better than closing my thread :) I appreciate that maybe I phrased it in a way that could be misconstrued as flame-inducing, sorry!.

Let me say this much - cannot post *too* much as I actually want to get on with Christmas and not sit on a computer *all* day lol.

Look at Ubuntu default menu bar at the top of the screen... look at Mac OS X's....

Look at the streamlined swirls in the default Ubuntu wallpaper.... look at Mac OS X's.....

kind of similair don't you think?!.

back later - busy watching Christmas TV like a true couch potatoe! :D

[spockrock]

ubuntu can, I mean if I press F12 it initiates expo...scale... :)

[patrick295767]

back later - busy watching Christmas TV like a true couch potatoe! :D

That sounds christmas relaxing time, after lot of food !

[banjobacon]

Similarities I've observed:

-Cancel/No buttons on left side, Ok/Yes buttons on right side.

-Panel on top of screen. Ubuntu/Gnome use this for the Gnome menu, whereas OS X uses this for application-specific menus. Both also display the time/date and applets.

-Nautilus has a spatial mode, though Ubuntu disables it by default. This works similar to previous version of Finder, I think.

There are probably more similarities, but these are the ones I can come up with on the top of my head, not being a Mac user. The thing is, to someone new to Linux, things are either like Windows, or like Mac. When you see a panel on the top of the screen and 'Cancel' buttons on the left instead of the right, you tend to think, "Mac".

[unlokia]

That sounds christmas relaxing time, after lot of food !

Actually a very moderate amount of food - not at all excessive!. I feel it is stupid to make a pig of ones self and feed your face needlessly - I love Christmas but excess is just not needed.. so many hungry people in the world.

The way I think is that us westerners are spoiled rotten 24 hours a day, 7 days a week EVERY day of our lives. Pointless greed makes me angry :twisted:.

Anyhow - sorry to steer off-topic... call me a lamer if you wish haha! :D

[RAV TUX]

moving to Mac OS X forum

[prizrak]

The only thing about Ubuntu that resembles a Mac is the upper panel that's about it.
Unless you mean that it's trying to be innovative, provide a good alternative and try to disrupt a monopoly then yes it's alot like Apple. (Old days Apple when they were fighting IBM not the new age iLife crap).

[unlokia]

I think Apple are a much better judge of what their customers require and use, than the "shovelware" merchants such as AOL and the suchlike, who literally *stuff* a new Xp install *full* of crappy software and spyware, that not one unsuspecting member of the public will know how or *want* to use, let alone know how to uninstall.

I assume that your iLife bitterness is due to your inability to get along with it *or* know how to use it. I think you will find a great many millions of Apple customers will fervently disagree with your limited philosophy - all you would get on Linux is a crippled program named "cinelerra" which quite frankly requires a computer science degree to configure, let ALONE to use.

Then we come to Windows... you will probably find a "trial" version of some useless 'Arcsoft' photo/video editing app, masquerading as "everything you need for your digital world" or some other nonsense.

No - sorry, all the Apple "i"-prefixed apps, have been very much welcomed and used, so sorry but I disagree with your dislike for them - you are perhaps just one jaded user, having had a bad experience.

[MetalMusicAddict]

Off-topic but I wanted to address.

all you would get on Linux is a crippled program named "cinelerra" which quite frankly requires a computer science degree to configure, let ALONE to use.

LOL, and I suppose Premiere or Final Cut Pro is any better? Ill whole heartedly agree that Cinelerra is a PITA to install, but setup/use? Come on. :) I still needed phone book size manuals for Premiere or Final Cut Pro to get 'em going.

BTW. Cinelerra-CV will hopefully be in the repos for Feisty if we can get the licenses worked out. sudo apt-get install cinelerra-cv :)

[IYY]

First of all, let's not talk about Ubuntu but about Gnome. Ubuntu doesn't add any Mac OS-like features to Gnome.

Gnome itself does not look like OS X in any way. The location of the toolbar is different, there is a taskbar instead of a dock, the panels can be moved around... No similarities, really.

The only actual similarity is Nautilus, that was actually designed to be similar to the OS X file manager (in fact, some of the developers are the same for the two projects). This is why it looks and feels very similar, although I find Nautilus to be even better.

Another more general similarity is the philosophy. ``Simplicity > Complexity'', that is. One could argue that Gnome and OS X follow this style.

[unlokia]

LOL, and I suppose Premiere or Final Cut Pro is any better? Ill whole heartedly agree that Cinelerra is a PITA to install, but setup/use? Come on. I still needed phone book size manuals for Premiere or Final Cut Pro to get 'em going.

Hey well they *have* documentation that is officially and commercially supported - probably because the software can do an awful lot of clever stuff - better than bumbling through, blinded by command line confusion, and "make install" commands before *any* work can even get underway.

:) haha!. Hey sorry dude, I promise I am not being sarcastic by laughing, but honestly... that made me genuinely laugh!. Linux gurus preach and moan about closed source codecs and the such, but then they forget that those same closed source codecs are the *very* codecs that the rest of the world use, for production and editing of the majority of the television programmes and movies we all watch.

Sorry, but I can't even start to imagine that you are going to have much success in prising film editors and production studios away from Final Cut Pro, and ask them to forget everything they have learned and then use a completely different program with *very* patchy capture/codec support, just because your open-source politics and agenda dictates that the *rest* of the world is "immoral" to use boxed software, relied upon day in day out, with which the majority of users have absolutely *no* problems!.

I genuinely admire all that Linux stands for and everything that is done for progress of computing, but don't assume for one minute that you are going to change the world overnight - youre naivety is worrying, if you want my opinion.

I know two professional film editors (one whom used to tour with The Stones and Pink Floyd) - http://www.peterwhitehead.net
and also http://www.thestickingplace.com/film/contact.html

So why don't you make a headstart, and contact them with your questions about how *they* find the de-facto industry standard app for movie and HD editing?!.

I am serious - call them or email them - you evidently think you can offer a better solution than one that has been/is used for years, by countless studios and broadcasting companies. I am not trying to appear "clever", but it is a bit tiresome and tedious, all this preaching!.

I shall place a large bet, that if Final Cut Pro became open-source tomorrow, you would be sitting on the other side of this pointlessly placed and unproductive "fence".

Merry Christmas!



[edit]

First of all, let's not talk about Ubuntu but about Gnome. Ubuntu doesn't add any Mac OS-like features to Gnome.

Not even "Expose" ?? ;)

[23meg]

Sorry, but I can't even start to imagine that you are going to have much success in prising film editors and production studios away from Final Cut Pro, and ask them to forget everything they have learned and then use a completely different program with *very* patchy capture/codec support, just because your open-source politics and agenda dictates that the *rest* of the world is "immoral" to use boxed software, relied upon day in day out, with which the majority of users have absolutely *no* problems!.
You're just trying to stir debate, and not a productive one. It started with your choice of topic, and now you're making up statements on your own and acting as though they've been said by people who replied to the thread. Nobody said anything about Free software agendas or overthrowing Final Cut Pro and Premiere with Cinelerra overnight. Nobody said anything about the supposed "immorality" of using certain codecs, and I don't know what that has to do with the topic.
Not even "Expose" ?? Beryl / Compiz does that, not GNOME.

[unlokia]

Read back through the last few posts... think a little about it, and then comment again.

[RAV TUX]

In the bigger picture I see little philosophical or even what the end user gets between Mac OS X and Windows XP...

honestly I think you have walked out of the market square and into the Orchard and are yelling at the trees,...the farmers hear you talking but have seen it all before...

I find the OP and following post very boring and unsubstantial. We have heard it all before.

but if you are enjoying yourself....have fun.


(EDIT: until the staff decides to close the thread.)

[unlokia]

...whatever that profound statement is supposed to mean... :mrgreen:

And yes - a good debate is always fun - no need to join in, if you have "heard it all before", but hey if you want to contribute, then feel free, but please do not dismiss a debate simply because *you* think it is boring, ok?. That could be interpreted as snobbery. Thanking you!.

[RAV TUX]

...whatever that profound statement is supposed to mean... :mrgreen:

And yes - a good debate is always fun - no need to join in, if you have "seen it all before", but hey if you want to contribute, then feel free, but please do not dismiss a debate simply because *you* think it is boring, ok?. That could be interpreted as snobbery. Thanking you!.

basically it means this:

this forum is for Mac OS X support not Mac OS X vs Linux debate.....you may have taken the wrong turn in Albuquerque and found the wrong forum to pick a fight....

If you have come to give Mac OS X support...fine then give it....There are a lot of us including myself who have actively used Mac OS X...and even Windows for whatever reason at work or simply by choice...

Your premise and thread is merely meant to incite so I see little support given here...

I will close the thread and the staff will review what further actions to take if any are needed...

Jozef