Kanotix RIP

[RAV TUX]

just heard this news on an IRC channel anybody have further details?

[manmower]

Not entirely sure whether it will be Ubuntu based, but they are moving to a more stable foundation it seems.

Thread about slh leaving Kanotix, related to the switch (http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html).

Announcement of Sidux with a link to their site (http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html.).

[mips]

Well there is always sidux (http://sidux.com/index.html) or pure Debian Sid (http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/) ;)

Some more info:
http://kanotix.com/Article210.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22873.html
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061204#news
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22969.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22902.html

I was just about to download the Kanotix CD for testing when I came across this. I will rather wait for their future release whatever it is based on. Maybe I will try sidux seeing I already have the debian netinstall cd and it would just require a simple distro upgrade to sidux.

[RAV TUX]

Not entirely sure whether it will be Ubuntu based, but they are moving to a more stable foundation it seems.

Thread about slh leaving Kanotix, related to the switch (http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html).

Announcement of Sidux with a link to their site (http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html.).

Thanks manmower I had heard the news in a IRC channel so I questioned the reliability of the news all together. This is why I posted the thread here for further clarification. Thank you for sharing the link, it appears to be true that Kanotix will no longer be active or supported:

No further active Kanotix support can be offered due to time and complexity restraints [it's too hard to support kanotix in other words, but the script can, and does, support all kanotix users who want to switch to sidux from kanotix. http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html

thus I have edited the title of the thread to more accurately present the known facts. I will also move it to the Debian forum.

Well there is always sidux (http://sidux.com/index.html) or pure Debian Sid (http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/) ;)

Some more info:
http://kanotix.com/Article210.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22873.html
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061204#news
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22969.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22902.html

I was just about to download the Kanotix CD for testing when I came across this. I will rather wait for their future release whatever it is based on. Maybe I will try sidux seeing I already have the debian netinstall cd and it would just require a simple distro upgrade to sidux.

mips thanks for sharing, I found this very interesting:

Stefan Lippers-Hollmann (slh) strives for new Challenges

For almost 3 years Stefan Lippers-Hollmann (slh) has contributed to Kanotix by being responsible for the Kanotix Repository and by making sure that practically all Debian Packages were compliantly packaged. Furthermore he optimized many things, supplied and tested kernels and also packaged FreeNX, that unfortunately was not accepted by Debian. FreeNX is after his resignment no longer in the Kanotix Repository. Since financing Kanotix through donations has proved a failure and I am planning restructuring to a more stable base (be it Ubuntu or Debian will have to show in tests) and I myself regard Debian/Sid as unfortunately not compliant with a more commercial orientation, he has left the project.
Naturaly this is not the only reason, others can be viewed in his last statement. (http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html)
In any case I am very much indebted to him - without him Kanotix would not be what it is today. I wish him lots of success with his new project, that will stay focused on Debian/Sid.
Jörg Schirottke (Kano)
http://kanotix.com/Article210.html

Please review his last statement here:


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> http://kanotix.de/debian/dists/sid/contrib/source/Sources | \
> http://kanotix.de/debian/dists/sid/non-free/source/Sources \
> http://kanotix.de/debian/dists/sid/vdr/source/Sources \
> grep -B 8 ^Maintainer\:\ Stefan\ Lippers\-Hollmann | \
> grep ^Package\: | \
> cut -d\: -f2 | \
> sort | \
> uniq
acx-firmware
alevt
avm
busybox-kanotix
checkmem-kanotix
configure-xawtv-kanotix
cupsconfig-kanotix
ddcxinfo-kanotix
distro-defaults
dvb-firmware
dwl520e1-firmware
etcskel-kanotix
fix-fonts
freenx
gfxboot
gfxboot-theme-kanotix
gprsconnect-kanotix
grub-gfxboot
hwsetup-ng
infobash
initscripts-kanotix-live
ipw2100-firmware
ipw2100-firmware-1.3
ipw2200-firmware
ipw2200-firmware-2.2
ipw2200-firmware-2.3
ipw2200-firmware-2.4
ipw2200-firmware-3.0
kadslwatch
kanet
kanotix-dsl
kanotix-graphics
kanotix-irc
kanotix-isdn
kanotix-kernelhacking
kanotix-keyring
kanotix-menu
kanotix-ndiswrapper
kanotix-screenres
kanotix-scripts
kanotix-setpassword
kanotix-sounds
kanotix-su
kanotix-terminalserver
kanotix-udev-config
kanotix-vdr
kbdconfig-kanotix
kdeservicemenus-kanotix
kde-services-kanotix
kisdnwatch
knet
knxinstaller
knx-installer
mkdosswapfile-kanotix
mkpersistenthome-kanotix
modemlink-kanotix
mouseconfig-kanotix
netcardconfig-kanotix
networkconfig-kanotix
nx
nxclient
nxsetup-kanotix
playvideodisk-kanotix
ppp-scripts-kanotix
restartx-kanotix
rootshell-kanotix
sambastart-kanotix
saveconfig-kanotix
scanpartitions-kanotix
smbconf-kanotix
smbconf-pfeifle-nonfree
sshstart-kanotix
startsyslog-kanotix
sudoers-kanotix
sysv-freeze
teclasat
ueagle-firmware
w-pvrscan
xsession-initscript-kanotix
xsession-kanotix
and all other packages I'm involved in. Code snippets written by me without an
explicitly specified license can be considered to be licensed under the GPL v2
(2 only, not 2.1, not 3), because of the sheer number of packages I'm not going
to upload all packages as orphaned, new maintainers are urged to upload with
adapted maintainer entries as soon as possible.
All NX related packages have been pulled from the archive because I will no
longer be able to maintain them and to keep care of security issues; likewise
I've pulled my -slh* labelled kernels from tu-bs.de as I can no longer care for
them either.

I hereby I resign from all positions within in the Kanotix project because of
technical and personal disagreements about the status quo. Therefore I suggest
changing all passwords I might have had access to (including the webserver,
different login passwords, postnuke accounts etc.) and locking my account on
the forum. I've already withdrawn my key from kanotix-archive-keyring.

Why do I resign after two years of hard work for Kanotix?
As expected this isn't easy to answer and has evolved over time, but technical
and personal disagreements make this step inevitable and non revocable for me.
In particular I object about :
- almost one year without any form of suitable release:
- this is an eternity for an debian sid based distribution, clean upgrading
from the latest release to current -sid is no longer possible
- no significant technical progress in those >11 months from upper leading
personnel, planned milestones slipped, finished code improvements were
neither incorporated nor even tested
- seriously deteriorating inter project communications and working athmosphere
- unequal distribution of workload and/ or responsibilities
- a siginificant shift of agenda in ways I can- and will not endorse

In particular I would like to thank all developers and team members who have
contributed a lot to the existing success that made this project possible,
namely (in alphabetical order):
acritox
bfree
bluewater
BodhiBaum
cathbard
cleary
corpix
devil
etorix
h2
kelmo
locsmif
makke
mzilikazi
peter_weber69
RoEn
slam
webera
wolfi
x-un-i
all others who have contributed their experience, time and code over the last
three years and of course knopper and Fabianx for providing motivation, a proof
of concept, and the initial code base, mipooh, N_knx, the university of
Braunschweig and in particular blutengel and Shoragan, slam, BlueByte and
Hetzner for hosting and further infrastructure.

Although it might have been better to speak up sooner, it is the way it is.

Good luck with the further development of Kanotix.
Regards
Stefan Lippers-Hollmann

Post scriptum:
I'm not going to post this in publicly accessible parts of the forum, if any of
the remaining team members likes to publish this, license to do so is hereby
granted under the provision that this intent is posted verbatim including its
(verifiable) gpg signature.
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and Kelmo's response:

There are major consequence to slh' departure:

* The Kanotix software repository will most likely never be cared for again . At least, it won't be cared for with the amount of precision and attention that slh was capable of.

* I no longer have a suitable method of contributing the the Kanotix project.

This means that the usefulness of the Kanotix repository will eventually expire, and that people will have to brave Debian Sid on their own, or join another group that aims to track that exciting and rapidly developing "software wave".

Yes, some other project will exist, and it will aim to follow Debian Sid in the same manner Kanotix has done until this day. The details of that project will be discovered in due time, hopefully by those people who are most passionate about it.

For now, I would only like to say a few things:

* Thanks to Kano, slh, the team of supporters and users for a great time over the last 18 months or so. During this time, I learnt more than I ever hoped to know about Linux, Debian and FOSS community and development.

* Thanks specifically to slh for sharing with me the precious knowledge of caring for project software and its user base. He has great development instinct and principles that i was priviledged to learn from during my involvement with Kanotix.

* All the best to Kano in the future. I hope you find some method of fulfilling the desire to conquer gadgets, devices and methods of "making things work" with a healthy level of personal and financial prosperity.

* Good luck to the people that decide to track Sid, and aim to help users join that wild ride (via live-cd, bug-fixes packages/scripts/advice etc). One day in the (hopefully not so distant) future, I hope to directly contribute to that effort.

Thanks, Kel.http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html

Here another independent projects falls unfortunately. As they adopt another base...I am reminded of survival of the fittest, but had wished they had atleast finished one stable release. Even the DeadCD has it uses even if it no longer active. Yet, they will be archived in the pages of Linux history. I do wish Kanotix and all those who departed from the project the very best in their future endeavors.

reference the DeadCD iso "Final Ghost" seems to be no longer available for download, fortunately I have a copy of the distro.

[mips]

Here another independent projects falls unfortunately. As they adopt another base...I am reminded of survival of the fittest, but had wished they had atleast finished one stable release.


I'm currently trying to install sidux...

[RAV TUX]

I'm currently trying to install sidux...

cool let us know how it goes...

[mips]

cool let us know how it goes...

Not long after posting that my adsl died, just got it back up now so the install will continue.

Progress so far.
Did a Debian Etch net install (base system only)
Did a distribution upgrade to Sid.
Added sidux sources list from their site.
Ran the H2 script for sidux.

Now I have to add X & KDE...

[handy]

I joined the Sidux forum (http://www.sidux.com/index.html) yesterday. They have an appealing roadmap:

quote >

On 24th of November 2006 sidux was formed by a group of people who strive to do the impossible: making Debian Sid (aka "Unstable") stable. The goal is becoming the best Debian Sid based live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. Strategic milestones and 3-4 planned releases timetabled will give stability and accountability to corporate and home users with a demand for bleeding edge software running on modern hardware, and a definable path over time.

The declared and agreed points are:

1) sidux detects and enables you to instantly use more different pieces of hardware than any other operating system today (including other Linuxes), without the need to search for drivers from the hardware vendors' web sites or complicated installation routines. Everything comes ready on a fast live-CD, and can be installed to your hard drive in just a couple of minutes. Only non-free stuff may require additional action.

2) sidux gives you direct and 100% compatible access to the world's biggest repository of software packages (more than 17.000 at the moment in Debian Sid), all of them free and open source, many of them in professional quality. No virus, no trojan - and again no complicate searching hundreds of websites for an application and running dubious installers.

3) sidux is free and open source and comes with free & priceless 24/7 support via this forum and chat (the IRC). Our support staff is friendly, helpful and very highly skilled - some of them are developers of this operating system themselves, others are accessible for complicated escalated support issues.

4) sidux is not corporate driven or owned, but community driven. Actually we are a community of volunteers who share a common goal - building the brilliant operating system.

5) sidux is extremely flexible and offers a bulk load of ready made scripts and meta-packages. You may use them to mutate it into a secure server system, a high class music studio, a professional graphics design workstation, a corporate desktop - or whatever you actually need.

6) sidux is always bleeding edge technology, packed into a tested and stable combination which is ready for use. It is moving very fast, and will always bring to you the hippest and most interesting developments first. sidux is also one of the few operating systems where you can get a 64bit system with real 64bit compiled applications - and again providing the 100% compatible access to Debian Sid.

7) sidux is multilingual - people from all over the world meet here and talk in their native, but also secondary languages. We believe in the power of shared and open communication and therefore don't split the community by countries or languages, but concentrate them. Many people here do speak several languages and are using them when helping you.

There is definitely much more to say - but that's it for the beginning. Please understand that we need to prepare the first release carefully. The project is in its very first days after foundation and will need some weeks until everything works perfectly. Stay tuned, we will keep you updated!

The Initial sidux Team:

Stefan Lippers-Hollmann (slh)
Trevor Walkley (bluewater)
Chris Hildebrandt (slam)
Ferdi Thommes (devil)
Ralph Hokanson Jr. (piper)
Roland Engert (RoEn)
Harald Hope (h2)
Joaquim Boura (x-un-i)
Niall Walsh (bfree)
Andreas Hausmann (Bodhi)
etorix

/quote

I will install Sidux on my 2nd machine, & will be very interested in its future development too...

[RAV TUX]

Not long after posting that my adsl died, just got it back up now so the install will continue.

Progress so far.
Did a Debian Etch net install (base system only)
Did a distribution upgrade to Sid.
Added sidux sources list from their site.
Ran the H2 script for sidux.

Now I have to add X & KDE...

sounds like a pain in the-arsh....that must be why I use Gentoo based Sabayon now where everything truely just works...

[RAV TUX]

I joined the Sidux forum (http://www.sidux.com/index.html) yesterday. They have an appealing roadmap:

quote >

On 24th of November 2006 sidux was formed by a group of people who strive to do the impossible: making Debian Sid (aka "Unstable") stable. The goal is becoming the best Debian Sid based live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. Strategic milestones and 3-4 planned releases timetabled will give stability and accountability to corporate and home users with a demand for bleeding edge software running on modern hardware, and a definable path over time.

The declared and agreed points are:

1) sidux detects and enables you to instantly use more different pieces of hardware than any other operating system today (including other Linuxes), without the need to search for drivers from the hardware vendors' web sites or complicated installation routines. Everything comes ready on a fast live-CD, and can be installed to your hard drive in just a couple of minutes. Only non-free stuff may require additional action.

2) sidux gives you direct and 100% compatible access to the world's biggest repository of software packages (more than 17.000 at the moment in Debian Sid), all of them free and open source, many of them in professional quality. No virus, no trojan - and again no complicate searching hundreds of websites for an application and running dubious installers.

3) sidux is free and open source and comes with free & priceless 24/7 support via this forum and chat (the IRC). Our support staff is friendly, helpful and very highly skilled - some of them are developers of this operating system themselves, others are accessible for complicated escalated support issues.

4) sidux is not corporate driven or owned, but community driven. Actually we are a community of volunteers who share a common goal - building the brilliant operating system.

5) sidux is extremely flexible and offers a bulk load of ready made scripts and meta-packages. You may use them to mutate it into a secure server system, a high class music studio, a professional graphics design workstation, a corporate desktop - or whatever you actually need.

6) sidux is always bleeding edge technology, packed into a tested and stable combination which is ready for use. It is moving very fast, and will always bring to you the hippest and most interesting developments first. sidux is also one of the few operating systems where you can get a 64bit system with real 64bit compiled applications - and again providing the 100% compatible access to Debian Sid.

7) sidux is multilingual - people from all over the world meet here and talk in their native, but also secondary languages. We believe in the power of shared and open communication and therefore don't split the community by countries or languages, but concentrate them. Many people here do speak several languages and are using them when helping you.

There is definitely much more to say - but that's it for the beginning. Please understand that we need to prepare the first release carefully. The project is in its very first days after foundation and will need some weeks until everything works perfectly. Stay tuned, we will keep you updated!

The Initial sidux Team:

Stefan Lippers-Hollmann (slh)
Trevor Walkley (bluewater)
Chris Hildebrandt (slam)
Ferdi Thommes (devil)
Ralph Hokanson Jr. (piper)
Roland Engert (RoEn)
Harald Hope (h2)
Joaquim Boura (x-un-i)
Niall Walsh (bfree)
Andreas Hausmann (Bodhi)
etorix

/quote

I will install Sidux on my 2nd machine, & will be very interested in its future development too...

EDIT...nevermind.

[handy]

There is no release .iso yet.

That has to make it a pain in the aarsh. :)

[mips]

sounds like a pain in the-arsh....that must be why I use Gentoo based Sabayon now where everything truely just works...

Yes, it is a bit of a pain in the **** at the moment. Once the official release is available there will be an .iso available.

Consider it kinda beta at this stage.

[mips]

Ok, done.

Nothing special yet as it just looks like debian to me. Downside is there are constant updates seeing it is Sid. lol, not long after I finished there were 34MB of updates...

Must say it feels very responsive/fast on my laptop compare to kubuntu but that is subjective i suppose.

I would wait for the official release iso and then try out.

[handy]

I have also installed Sidux (http://sidux.com/index.html) on my 2nd machine.

It is very obviously much faster than the Edgy install that previously existed on that drive!

It took a long time to install, due to my having to install the Debian Etch RC1 .iso first (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/). The time problem will dissapear when the Sidux.iso is released.

For those interested this link is valuable. (http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html) too!

[mips]

It took a long time to install, due to my having to install the Debian Etch RC1 .iso first (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/).

handy,

I think it would be much simpler to use the etch netinstall cd, it's also a small <150MB.

With the netinstall cd you do a minimal base install and do not connect to the net. Once the base install is completed you modify your sources list for sid and do a distro upgrade. This is faster than upgrading an full blown installation.

The h2 script does the rest. Afterwards you just install what you want/need/

[handy]

I tried the netinstall first, but it had trouble with my internet connection, & I don't have the know how to sort it out, so I just downloaded the full EtchRC1.iso & did it that way.

I agree, the net install would be much quicker.

[RAV TUX]

KANOTIX One of the reasons for the explosion in Linux distribution numbers in recent years is the inability of many developers to agree on common goals and work things out if disagreements arise. The latest project that has succumbed to personal conflicts over its directions is KANOTIX, a Debian and KNOPPIX-based live CD which has become one of the best-loved second-tier Linux distributions on the market. Unfortunately, as announced last week, the distribution's co-developer Stefan Lippers-Hollmann has decided to resign from the project and create a new distribution called Sidux. It has also emerged that Jörg Schirottke, the founder of KANOTIX, is considering to switch the distribution's base from Debian's unstable branch to Ubuntu and possibly attempt a more commercial orientation of the distribution - moves that are likely to displease some KANOTIX users. For a more detailed summary of the current crisis in the project please read The KANOTIX distro implodes by Tuxmachines.
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-111.html

[RAV TUX]

The KANOTIX distro implodes

Submitted by eco2geek on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 20:22. News (http://www.tuxmachines.org/taxonomy/term/56) As of today, the KANOTIX distribution (http://kanotix.com/) is...not dead, exactly, but most definitely without a firm direction. Its co-developer has left, its Paypal donation link is down, and it's not clear what's going to happen with it in the future.
KANOTIX is a Debian unstable-based distribution from Germany, distributed on a live CD. Its kernel comes highly customized to provide support for lots of hardware. It comes with a graphical installer and many customized scripts for ease of configuration. It was originally based on Knoppix, but it was always meant to be installed, while Knoppix is more of a live-CD-only distro.
KANOTIX's user base is mainly German, although there is an active English-speaking user base.
The official message (http://kanotix.com/Article210.html) from KANOTIX's founder, Jörg Schirottke (a.k.a. "Kano"), reads, in part:

Quote:"Since financing Kanotix through donations has proved a failure and I am planning restructuring to a more stable base (be it Ubuntu or Debian will have to show in tests) and I myself regard Debian/Sid as unfortunately not compliant with a more commercial orientation, he (co-developer Stefan Lippers-Hollmann) has left the project."

The co-founder's reasons for leaving (http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-22892.html):
Quote:Why do I resign after two years of hard work for Kanotix? As expected this isn't easy to answer and has evolved over time, but technical
and personal disagreements make this step inevitable and non revocable for me.
In particular I object about:
- almost one year without any form of suitable release:
- this is an eternity for an debian sid based distribution, clean upgrading from the latest release to current -sid is no longer possible
- no significant technical progress in those >11 months from upper leading personnel, planned milestones slipped, finished code improvements were neither incorporated nor even tested
- seriously deteriorating inter project communications and working athmosphere
- unequal distribution of workload and/ or responsibilities
- a siginificant shift of agenda in ways I can- and will not endorse


There is one thing about KANOTIX that will sorely be missed. By way of explanation, when you use Debian Sid and upgrade its packages frequently, things often break. Installation scripts are sometimes buggy. Things get moved around (for example, the shift from X.org 6.9 to 7.0 entailed a shift to new X directories). Packages don't work. Beyond its great user community, KANOTIX included people who would watch out for the "dist-upgrade" bugs, find fixes for them, and communicate that information to the user community in a timely manner. (If you wonder why Ubuntu became so popular so fast, probably the main reason is that it tries to actively make things easier for end-users. Debian, upon which Ubuntu is based, has the opposite reputation.)
A few of my opinions about this situation:


I don't expect professional developers to be great at communication. Especially when it's bad news. However, it would be nice if the KANOTIX team could be more forthcoming with its users about what's going on.
I hope Kano doesn't decide to base future versions of KANOTIX on Ubuntu. My personal opinion of Ubuntu is that it takes away a lot more from Debian than it gives back.
It's been a wonderful experience using KANOTIX these past 2 1/2 years. It's taught me a lot about Debian and Linux. My deep respect and gratitude goes to all those involved in its development. (And I think Kano's a genius.) Note: The opinions expressed here are mine. I alone am responsible for them.


http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/11481

[handy]

There is plenty of info' about Sidux, (where all the Kanotix developers but Kano have moved) on the Sidux site (http://sidux.com/).

I post again:

quote>

Press Releases On 24th of November 2006 sidux was formed by a group of people who strive to do the impossible: making Debian Sid (aka "Unstable") stable. The goal is becoming the best Debian Sid based live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. Strategic milestones and 3-4 planned releases timetabled will give stability and accountability to corporate and home users with a demand for bleeding edge software running on modern hardware, and a definable path over time.

The declared and agreed points are:

1) sidux detects and enables you to instantly use more different pieces of hardware than any other operating system today (including other Linuxes), without the need to search for drivers from the hardware vendors' web sites or complicated installation routines. Everything comes ready on a fast live-CD, and can be installed to your hard drive in just a couple of minutes. Only non-free stuff may require additional action.

2) sidux gives you direct and 100% compatible access to the world's biggest repository of software packages (more than 17.000 at the moment in Debian Sid), all of them free and open source, many of them in professional quality. No virus, no trojan - and again no complicate searching hundreds of websites for an application and running dubious installers.

3) sidux is free and open source and comes with free & priceless 24/7 support via this forum and chat (the IRC). Our support staff is friendly, helpful and very highly skilled - some of them are developers of this operating system themselves, others are accessible for complicated escalated support issues.

4) sidux is not corporate driven or owned, but community driven. Actually we are a community of volunteers who share a common goal - building the brilliant operating system.

5) sidux is extremely flexible and offers a bulk load of ready made scripts and meta-packages. You may use them to mutate it into a secure server system, a high class music studio, a professional graphics design workstation, a corporate desktop - or whatever you actually need.

6) sidux is always bleeding edge technology, packed into a tested and stable combination which is ready for use. It is moving very fast, and will always bring to you the hippest and most interesting developments first. sidux is also one of the few operating systems where you can get a 64bit system with real 64bit compiled applications - and again providing the 100% compatible access to Debian Sid.

7) sidux is multilingual - people from all over the world meet here and talk in their native, but also secondary languages. We believe in the power of shared and open communication and therefore don't split the community by countries or languages, but concentrate them. Many people here do speak several languages and are using them when helping you.

There is definitely much more to say - but that's it for the beginning. Please understand that we need to prepare the first release carefully. The project is in its very first days after foundation and will need some weeks until everything works perfectly. Stay tuned, we will keep you updated!

The Initial sidux Team:

Stefan Lippers-Hollmann (slh)
Trevor Walkley (bluewater)
Chris Hildebrandt (slam)
Ferdi Thommes (devil)
Ralph Hokanson Jr. (piper)
Roland Engert (RoEn)
Harald Hope (h2)
Joaquim Boura (x-un-i)
Niall Walsh (bfree)
Andreas Hausmann (Bodhi)
etorix

/quote

[RAV TUX]

Kanotix RIP

[Rodneyck]

Ouch! I was just downloading Parsix which is based off of Kanotix. Guess I will pass on trying that one.

[RAV TUX]

Ouch! I was just downloading Parsix which is based off of Kanotix. Guess I will pass on trying that one.unfortunately there is a few distros that made the mistake of basing their distro on Kanotix RIP....

I would stick with distro that are based on stable OS's...

example: Sabayon based on Gentoo/Slackware (and some advanced and tested functions of KNOPPIX).

Ubuntu based on Debian

KNOPPIX based on Debian

Wolvix based on SLAX

etc.

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Ouch! I was just downloading Parsix which is based off of Kanotix. Guess I will pass on trying that one.

Maybe wait for the Sidux iso to be released, most if not all are ex Kanotix devs.

You can install it but it is not as simple as a normal cd install.