Goodbye Ubuntu - SuSe 10.2 has seduced me like a dirty *****.

[tubasoldier]

Its been a good ride. Ubuntu did well freeing me from Mandriva. I have spent a lot of time searching and trying to find a distribution that worked for me. Mandriva 2007, Slackware, Arch Linux, Freevo, SuSe 10.1 ect...

With the advent of SuSe 10.1 I was very impressed. It did everything I wanted and so much easier than Ubuntu. However, the wireless module could not keep a connection to save it's life. Fast forward six months. SuSe 10.2 is now out. I'm still impressed, and I'm keeping a good wireless connection.

Whats my reason for switching? Well, its quite simple. I have spent a lot of time dilly dallying trying to get a lot of stuff to work properly in Ubuntu. I am of the opinion that in order for a distribution to be for the masses that all system configuration must be able to be done through a graphical interface. Ubuntu still has quite a ways to go in that arena. Don't get me wrong here. I love the command line. I'm just tired of fiddling with system configuration. Its time to get down and get some work done.

The Microsoft/Novell deal does have me a bit on edge. I'm not happy about it. That is the one thing that would keep me away from openSuse. However, openSuse has really made some great headway on the Linux desktop. A few tweaks here and there and I'm browsing the web looking at flash videos, listening to my music collection, and listening to realplayer media streams. They were easy tweaks by the way.

So Ubuntu, it has been fun. I learned more about Debian from you than I ever learned from Debian. I already knew the command line before I got to you so I felt quite comfortable with you. But it is time for me to buckle down and get to work now. So I say, Adieu, for now.

[mjpoetic]

You'll be back ;)

[Eddie Wilson]

Alas, I'[ve been wantng to run a little more modren system. I love Ununtu but I can't run 6.10 because of dialup. I think I may try Suse.
Eddie

[mjpoetic]

Alas, I'[ve been wantng to run a little more modren system. I love Ununtu but I can't run 6.10 because of dialup. I think I may try Suse.
Eddie

How will you get Suse then? The iso is about 3.7 GBs whereas Ubuntu 6.10 is only in the 600s (in MBs).

[loell]

many of us try many distributions especially in the minority distros, however i never felt the need to advertise that i'm about to live and try another.

[Eddie Wilson]

I guess I'll buy it. I just want something to work.

[mjpoetic]

That's what I love about linux in general...you can use the distro that best suits your needs. So if it's bon voyage to Ubuntu...so be it. So far, not for me. This forum is why I love Ubuntu so much. I never used to get much help from the Suse based forums (when I used Suse).

[BarfBag]

My opinion of SUSE changes with every release. Sometimes it's #1, sometimes it just sucks. It was my first distro, though. I'll always have some feelings towards it.

I really need a gf.

[Eddie Wilson]

These forums are the best.

[mjpoetic]

My opinion of SUSE changes with every release. Sometimes it's #1, sometimes it just sucks. It was my first distro, though. I'll always have some feelings towards it.

I really need a gf.
I kind of feel the same way about Suse. It was always good when I tried it out. But I always felt like there was something lacking with it. This one should be good though. They redesigned gnome and kde from what I have seen. Even so, I think I am still hanging with Ubuntu. It has really helped me learn linux (or I should say these forums have helped with that).

[NumberOne]

I just tried to run Suse. It installed fine and looked pretty. However, whenever I tried to install the Samba service it locked up hard. I will stick with ubuntu for now.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Good luck though if Microsoft wants to take your house you will be back :D

[Iandefor]

That's some pretty strong language for something so simple as using what's best for you.

Unwarranted loyalty to a product is silly; be as loyal as the product is good and the company trustworthy and decent (no, that's not a jab at Novell); if a better product comes along, be more loyal to it :).

Have fun, dude.

[sakis]

Were can i find a step by step how-to similar to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for opensuse? I found this http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats but it says nothing and has no links, since there are legal issues! :)

[mtron]

well i also tested the last suse release... the updater was not working AT ALL. It took them some months to fix it. The priority for Novell is the business distro, not the Opensuse one, that's the main advantage of ubuntu, everyone gets the same product (real open source spirit)

next is the debian base ubuntu uses. It's just the best package managing system, and the repositories are enormous. Yast and all the other tools just don't play in the same league.

For me it's not a big problem that configuration is done via the terminal. In many cases, no in basically all cases, the documentation for ubuntu & debian is perfect, and easy to reproduce.

You configure your system only once, so it shouldn't be a priority for ubuntu devs to make a gui configuration for everything.

[Fatec]

well i also tested the last suse release... the updater was not working AT ALL. It took them some months to fix it. The priority for Novell is the business distro, not the Opensuse one, that's the main advantage of ubuntu, everyone gets the same product (real open source spirit)

next is the debian base ubuntu uses. It's just the best package managing system, and the repositories are enormous. Yast and all the other tools just don't play in the same league.

For me it's not a big problem that configuration is done via the terminal. In many cases, no in basically all cases, the documentation for ubuntu & debian is perfect, and easy to reproduce.

You configure your system only once, so it shouldn't be a priority for ubuntu devs to make a gui configuration for everything.

The update system was broken in RC2 of opensuse...it is fixed in the final release (as far as i can tell, tho 912 updates to download..that was a pain)

I agree suse is ALOT easier to use than ubuntu...and has alot more gui interfaces (which admittedly i love, sometimes i just dont feel like using the command line, infact, if ive had a long day, i hate doing so and just boot into xp)

Wether linux users admit it or not, doing things by the command line isnt the best way to get people to use linux, id prefer it if linux was all gui BUT still had the option to use command lines for more advanced users (or ppl who prefer using it).

Admit it..simple *click, install, done, now go play* is better than using the terminal.

I find suse alot faster than ubuntu (suprisingly) and the default desktops are quite nice (admittedly, again, i hate ubuntus *poo* stain brown (lol)...although love ubuntu overall)

i just enjoy using my pc..ya know?...i dont wanna play around with command lines for half an hour to install something, i want a gui...as many users do...and thats why windows dominates the market. yes, windows sucks..it has many problems..but its EASY!

and smart, or not, easier is better.

[_simon_]

I tried 10.1 but the updater being broken caused too many headaches.

Are there any problems at all with 10.2?

Also, is there a live CD? I can't find one...

[Ben Sprinkle]

It was my first distro
OneBase was my first.

[kazuya]

I could never leave from the current Ubuntu to OpenSuse. Ubuntu is just easier to manage and work with than Suse for me. I too was like the typical window user who preferred gui over CLI.

Now I use both CLI and gui. The howto guides make using CLI ridiculously easy to follow and learn. The instructions are ridiculously easy to follow. Moreover, what Ubuntu is great at is giving user the power to change or control the look of their gui from a gui and from the commandline.

Package manager is near unparallel as is typical of Debian-based distros. The forum here is the best for answering questions and having fun.

With Ubuntu, everything just works while allowing user to totally reconfigure system, while in SUSE it seems to glitter in the beginning and works also sometimes for user not seeking to revamp the system to use many other window managers.

Working at the CLI is a one time thing for me until perhaps, the next major release. And while the CLI is in work, you can do many other things like watching video, typing email, etc, etc, burning DVD, changing an icon, .. So I do not understand where the theme of no time for CLI comes in. Would user rather not even see the CLI at all ever. That would be a mistake, because GUI use alone is limiting to creativity and development. For all those gui functions, there are CLI codes at work. SOme are worth seeing and some are not. This is why we need both. If you want your distro or OS to simply put you at the GUI with no way of changing to your personal liking and ultimately sharing with other users, but prefer a company to give you options of what you call eye-candy, then go for it.

This is not what a distro should be for me. Use the CLI long enough and you may start to prefer it to some of the gui equivalents.
Also, once spoiled by the beauty of Ubuntu's adaptation of gui and CLI, it would be hard to be gone to SUSE for long.

I like many distros, and they all have their strengths. But for me, Ubuntu supplants SUSE's use and more. So I'll stick to Ubuntu over SUSE.

[jbtito03]

Mine was slackware :D

And these forums RULE! The best i have ever seen... Actually i have never participated as much on forums as i am now.

And about distros - as long as it is free software - if it works for you go for it :D By free software i mean free as in freedom ;)

However - be causious - billy boy may have you on his screen soon :D :D :D


Cheers

JB

[dvarsam]

Hello!

I thought I should come in & drop my few cents...

How will you get Suse then?
The .iso is about 3.7 GBs whereas Ubuntu 6.10 is only in the 600s (in MBs).

Is this considered an argument?
We nowadays have fast ADSL connections (except maybe underdeveloped countries)!
In the Future things will be faster!

That's what I love about linux in general...you can use the distro that best suits your needs.
...This forum is why I love Ubuntu so much.
I never used to get much help from the Suse based forums (when I used Suse).

Honest & fair view!

I totally agree with the need for GUI.
The whole business of 'command line'...
I'm a 'windows' person and GUI is sooooo much friendlier.
The Ubuntu developers must realize (replies from any are welcome) that this is 2006 and not 1986.

Yes, we need more GUIs!

...Could you be more specific? the need for GUI of what particularly?

It is so hard to think of some examples?

1. How about a GUI for Samba Configuration?
2. How about a GUI for NFS Configuration?

OR

3. A step-by-step Wizard to help you setup the above!

4. How about .deb files for Tapioca?
5. How about easy installation of codecs?

That's some pretty strong language for something so simple as using what's best for you.

Simple Truth here!
No need to be "fanatic" with Ubuntu & intentionally dish Suse...
However, when I pay for a distro such as MS Windows & get all these viruses, I am sorry but I would dish it too! :)
It is good that OpenSuse is free to try for those interested to buy a Full version. At least, you are offered to tryout & if you don't like, no need to make fuss about it... You didn't pay for it in the first place!

Were can i find a step by step how-to similar to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for opensuse? I found this http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats but it says nothing and has no links, since there are legal issues!

Don't forget that Novell is a company oriented towards profit!
And I don't think that Suse is a very profitable product up to now...
Maybe in the near future it going to be considered a gold mine!
But not for now, it is still too early...
So, don't expect too much organizing from their side.

...next is the debian base ubuntu uses.
It's just the best package managing system & the repositories are enormous. Yast and all the other tools just don't play in the same league.

Simple Truth!
I wish Suse had adopted ".deb" package management...
What a change would that be (huge progress for all the Linux community!).
But don't forget that Suse now suggests adoption of Ext3 Filesystem instead of ReiserFS (that is a big improvement!).
It is a step towards "unity" across all Linux Distros!
I guess Linux "unity" in adoption of ".deb" format or ".rpm" format should be the next step...
It would help the Linux community move forward faster!!!
And also "unity" with Terminal Commands!
It would be nice if Terminal Commands were the same across all Linux Distros.

I agree Suse is a LOT easier to use than Ubuntu...and has a lot more GUI interfaces (which admittedly i love, sometimes I just don't feel like using the command line, in fact, if Ive had a long day, I hate doing so and just boot into XP)
Whether Linux users admit it or not, doing things by the command line isn't the best way to get people to use Linux, id prefer it if Linux was all GUI BUT still had the option to use command lines for more advanced users (or ppl who prefer using it).
Admit it..simple *click, install, done, now go play* is better than using the terminal.

Simple Truth!
I especially like this part:
I just don't feel like using the command line, in fact, if Ive had a long day, I hate doing so and just boot into XP)

Dear Ubuntu Programmers, please concentrate to make our lives easier please!

No offense, but Windows creates idiots (sort of like AOL did with Internet users).
...But seriously though...how hard is it to come onto these forums & follow a simple HOWTO?

What an argument...
So you are suggesting that Terminal is better...
Are you serious man?
It would have been better to admit "I am fanatically biased towards my Ubuntu compared to any other Distros (whether it is Windows, Linux or else...".

And if you want to talk about HowTos:

Please help me in these:

1. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312968
OR
2. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311687

On above #1, I have followed every HowTo.
On above #2, a HowTo does not exist!

...a lot of the Howtos on here are wrong/out of date...or simply badly typed out.

Simple Truth!!!

...And these forums RULE!
The best I have ever seen...
I have never participated as much on forums as i am now.

And about Distros - as long as it is free software - if it works for you go for it.
By free software I mean free as in freedom.

True!
Ubuntu Forums are the best Linux Forums out there!
It might be also considered even as the best Forums out there!
... cause I haven't seen any Windows Forums out there...
I really wonder: Are there any Windows Forums out there as good as this one?

And one more thing:
The Forum Staff here care of your opinions & suggestions of improvement...
I have seen this happening...
In the near future I also hope to see this implemented too:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311358

Thanks.

[loell]

what a rant :p

[mjpoetic]

what a rant :p
Heh heh...I second that!! dvarsam, you need an extra 20 on your Bean Count for that one. Your points are well taken though. ;) Now here's my rant response. :p

We nowadays have fast ADSL connections (except maybe underdeveloped countries)!
In the Future things will be faster!Believe it or not...I live in the United States and in South Florida at that (*cough* GO HEAT! *cough*) AND there are people still on dial up.

So you are suggesting that Terminal is better...
Are you serious man?No, I am not suggesting that the terminal is better. I like GUIs...but I just don't find using the terminal such a big task as some make it out to be. Also, Windows does create idiots...sort of like calculators used for simple calculations.

It would have been better to admit "I am fanatically biased towards my Ubuntu compared to any other Distros (whether it is Windows, Linux or else...".Are you serious man? How can you draw that conclusion? Seriously, how? I am not loyal to any software. I am loyal to the ideas that Ubuntu promotes (i.e., "Linux for Human beings"). So if something else better for me came along, I would hop on that (as a matter of fact, I installed the new Suse just to see if it was better for my desktop PC).

I was just trying to say that these forums are the best. Hands down!!

And if you want to talk about HowTos...Ok, you got me there. Howtos don't always work. Then again, if they always did...people may not learn how to do things on their own.

Again, it's all you're choice what you want to do with your PC. As long as Windows isn't the choice ;) ...just kidding.

[wrycatcher]

No offense, but Windows creates idiots (sort of like AOL did with internet users).

Reminds me of an oft-quoted comment about software development...;)

"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook

[mjpoetic]

"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook

I love that quote!! Right on point!

[earobinson]

use whatever is best for you! glad to hear you found a linux distro that worked for you even if it was not ubuntu.

[Hendrixski]

The terminal is a powerful tool, perhaps too powerful for day to day use, but we can't take it away or else how will we do power-user tasks? Sometimes It's easier to write a script than to do 100 mouse clicks.

Windows found this out the hard way, they're re-introducing the command line in Vista... and of course wrote a bloated and bug prone interface for it that had a virus written for it 10 days after he Vista Alpha was released.

As for SuSe, I'm interested to try it myself. I just really don't like having to wait hours to download gigs of stuff. And I test stuff out on virtual machines, so it takes that much longer to install. Maybe some day when I'm not lazy.

[dvarsam]

Hello & thanks for your reply!

Now here's my rant response.

What does the word "rant" mean?

Believe it or not...I live in the United States and in South Florida at that (*cough* GO HEAT! *cough*) AND there are people still on dial up.I believe you!
Hopefully if the ***political comment removed so the rest of the post could stay here instead being moved to the backyard***...:)

Are you serious man? How can you draw that conclusion? Seriously, how? I am not loyal to any software.
I am loyal to the ideas that Ubuntu promotes (i.e., "Linux for Human beings").Ok, no hard feelings then!
But let us all admit, that we "see" many biased posts in these forums too!
So, it seems that you have straightened things out now!

So if something else better for me came along, I would hop on that (as a matter of fact, I installed the new Suse just to see if it was better for my desktop PC).Honest & True!
I haven't done this yet, as it takes forever to download...

I was just trying to say that these forums are the best. Hands down!!Clearly stated!
And true too!

Ok, you got me there. Howtos don't always work. Then again, if they always did...people may not learn how to do things on their own.

I hope you are NOT proposing to create HowTos which give users wrong directions, so that they can't do easily what they want unless they become true pros on the thing they are trying to put to work...
Cause in this case, I disagree totally!!!
We don't want the HowTo directions to be tricky & wrong, just to get the users more educated here...
Are the users trying to solve a HowTo puzzle/riddle or is the HowTo suppose to provide a step-by-step method to make their PCs work the easiest possible way?

Again, it's all you're choice what you want to do with your PC.
As long as Windows isn't the choice ;) ...just kidding.Well. if Windows were designed better, with no viruses & stuff, I wouldn't mind using them...
But even with a WindowsXP SP2 & all updates installed, bundled with subscription to an Antivirus Software & me keeping getting viruses, I am sorry, but:

I hate Windows, and
I will be biased towards Linux as long as they are safer!!!

Does this make you feel better? :)
I have nothing against Windows, but it is just that Windows is NOT safe for anybody to use...
Powerful statement but True!!!
I always have troubles with it...
OS wise - not Program-wise.
However in Linux we have a fantastic OS, but the rest of the programs are primitive (& many non functional)...
So, supporting Linux is one thing!
But whether I will support Ubuntu Linux or Suse Linux or whatever else Linux depends on who is going to create the best Linux overall...

Thanks.

[dvarsam]

Reminds me of an oft-quoted comment about software development...;)

"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook

I love this!
For this comment, you should get 500 bean gift!!!
Fantastic!!!

[aysiu]

Please continue your discussion about CLI v. GUI over here:
Is Ubuntu really too dependent on the terminal? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1865833#post1865833)

I've already moved a bunch of posts over there.

Thanks.

[motang]

:-k We are like complete opposites. I had Ubuntu 6.06 on my laptop and didn't work like I wanted to (mostly with wireless) and I tried NDISwrapper, but it didn't work for me. So I put SLED 10.1 on it and it worked to some extent. Then I got very annoyed because it didn't support my laptop all the way (even though wireless worked with NDISwarpper). SLED didn't support my volume up and down buttons, also my 4 in one card reader didn't work, and constantly SLED went berserk on me (my touchpad didn't respond at random times for instance). 6 aching months passed by the quality and my experience became worst as the laptop was freezing up at random times. So I was forced to use my Win XP Pro partition.

Fast forward to 6 months I have Ubuntu 6.10 on it all the extra buttons (such as volume up and down) on the laptop work, my card reader works, my wireless is flawless (with NDISwarapper). I have haven't booted into Win XP Pro (matter of fact that partition has been wiped out), and I haven't been so happy to use my laptop.

I am very happy with Ubuntu it looks very good, polished, and works well. But it's all about choices and if you are happy with OpenSUSE 10.2 then that is good, and enjoying computing. ;)

[kavani]

Personally, I love Ubuntu and eLive. Something about Debian, but none the less, Ubuntu has been the easiest to learn on. In fact, husband is beginning to embrace Linux. My only gripe with Ubuntu has been the getting the laptop integrated wireless to work. Got it working last night (bcm43xx-fwcutter and wifi radar)! So, Ubuntu still has my vote.

[Johnsie]

hey, as long as it's open source it doesn't matter.... We all share the same stuff :-)

That is so going in my sig

[mjpoetic]

hey, as long as it's open source it doesn't matter.... We all share the same stuff :-)

That is so going in my sig
lol funny guy...you're on your way kid! ;)