Vista looks like CRAP to me! No kidding!!!

[PryGuy]

Good day everyone!
I have installed VistaRC1 the other day. I haven't had high hopes about it but I was disappointed anyway... I'm not an Ubuntu/Linux fanboy and I treated the previous Windows releases as good ones (except for ME of course). But I got a feeling that Vista is nothing but a load of crap as I was trying to get used to it!

The famous Aero is really not what I expected to see. Not enough eyecandiness to make me believe it is cool... Well, the overall design looks as if the developers just put the old Windows into new shiny (not for me though) clothes trying to sell the thing fast and run away.

The new interface is terrible really. It's hard to navigate through the control panel. I do not know why the menu bar disappeared in many windows. It is a very silly move I think. Yet, I've seen people getting their hands on the new Internet Explorer 7 (I personally use Firefox) and closing it with fear! Does Microsoft want to promote Firefox? Why do they do such crap?

The new MCE layout... For God's sake, but I loved the old one! I've got about 200 albums in my music library and browsing through them using a horizontal layout is a pain now...

It is RC1 that is close to RTM but I got so very many errors that I got scared frankly. Yet there was a serious thing, my Vista installation started telling me that I have errors on my Vista partition. Well, these are not the physical errors I mean. So I rebooted into XP and it found very many errors during the disk check. And Vista refused to boot after that. I really do not know why it happened, probably my fault, but it appears to be very strange anyway.

Yet, Microsoft always tried to promote Windows as an OS for everyone with no technical knowledge. So why have they enabled the file and folder rights management in Vista? It will be pretty easy for someone just to reset all the access rights to the file making it read only or something. Where's all the XP simplicity? I really have a feeling that Microsoft went crazy or it's just Beta that is really hard to believe as they call it RC after all...

Generally, Windows Vista is REALLY harder to work with! The simplicity is gone, you get the permission window every time you try to do something unimportant to the system. And that occurs very frequently. Yet I do not understand why it happens 'cause the window does not ask you to enter the password itself, all you have to do is to press one button. It is important and makes sense for the less privileged accounts probably but it's a pain when you have the only one account.

Finalizing, Vista is a good move to popularize Ubuntu and Linux in general. Microsoft also put WGA on IE7 for XP that is believed to be a critical update so many people will not install it and switch to Firefox that is way better by the way. It really seems that Microsoft does everything to ruin Windows... Pretty strange, eh?

[Najand]

The only thing might interest me about VISTA is its fonts... The other parts are just another junk MS Windows Kernel, there is no need having it.

[Choad]

i tried vista rc1 or 2 i cant remember

what an experience....

with more than 5 windows open, you notice lag when dragging a window accross the screen. more than 15 and its almost unusable. some things just plain didnt work. the start menu is a mess. the theme is ok, but nothing ground breaking. as usual, it had complete disregard for the other OS on my computer, and overwrote the MBR. the menu bar is gone from alot of things which is just plain wierd. i dont know its been so long since i was using it that i have forgotten most of the annoyances, but lets just say i wont even bother to pirate it when its released, its THAT bad.

this was on a machine that ran dapper+XGL flawlessly (completely flawlessly, dozens of windows open, plenty of apps running)

[EdThaSlayer]

Microsoft did change a bit too much from their standard desktop GUI, and in order to punch up security a bit they added the password pop-up window. I did hear it was slow, even in PC magazine said that you would need a fast computer to handle that 800 pound gorilla called Windows Vista.

[zachtib]

speaking of irony,

My laptop, with of all things, an ATI video card, is perfectly capable of running AIGLX+Beryl, but Vista reported that it wasn't powerful enough for any of Vista's special effects. It doesn't take a lot of power to do transparency, people...

[shining]

This applies to other softwares, and maybe for ms products too:
final releases are generally better than rc (especially the first one).

Now, if this does apply to ms, I can't imagine how masochist people that try release candidates of ms products must be.

[d3v1ant_0n3]

I tried Vista beta 2 and RC1, and found them both somewhat lacking.

On a machine that may not be a gaming rig, but still definitely has some poke (see specs below) I could only use the basic (no Aero) theming. It was slow. In some cases VERY slow. It used a HUGE amount of Hard Drive space (something like 11Gb JUST for the OS...um. Yeah.)

I didn't like the interface much, although I was a windows user at the time, my desktop was heavily tweaked. And vista didn't allow me to use any of my themeing programs/

Ready boost was neat I suppose.

[MedivhX]

Why, Vista looks good, but funcionality is like on XP... And hardware requirements are awful!!!

[PryGuy]

In addition to my words:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34268

[IYY]

The only thing I like about the Vista GUI is the new arrangement of icons on the window's titlebar. However, all-in-all the new design looks worse than XP, in my opinion. Looks kinda like those horrid Windowblinds themes for XP.

But really, no surprise. Windows always looks like one of those 'pimped out' crappy cars.

OS X, on the other hand, is where we should look for inspiration (although to be honest, I like plain Gnome more than OS X Tiger.)

[chaosgeisterchen]

In addition to my words:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34268

It sounds alarming for all windows users in the future. Is his opinion kinda biased? It sounds like a bad dream for Microsoft, 5 years and still no competitive competitant...

Ubuntu Feisty will probably blow away Vista bigtime.

[PryGuy]

Biased? These are the facts... Thinking about the Feisty too ;)

[aysiu]

Moved to Windows Discussions.

[PryGuy]

I have played with Vista enough and decided to remove it. But it wasn't as easy as I expected. I couldn't remove the boot loader with the fixmbr command but my XP refused to boot after it. :( So the only way was format and complete reinstall. Not much fun about it... :evil:

[Dual Cortex]

I have a P4 2.8GHz system with 768MB ram and an ATI 9200LE.
RC1 was fine, don't notice the SUPER-SLOW experience that lots of people are posting about.
I installed Vista on another machine with 512MB, the difference was noticeable but Aero, etc., worked well with the crappy 7300LE I have.

[Najand]

I installed Vista RC last night.... It removed not just my grub but removed the Windows XP bootloader.... After I installed it I could not recover Windows XP, so I just reinstalled XP.... I think I cannot trust a software manufacture company who cannot support dual boot even for its own OSes.

[PryGuy]

I installed Vista on another machine with 512MB, the difference was noticeable but Aero, etc., worked well with the crappy 7300LE I have.Are you sure that your 7300 is crappy? It runs DOOM3 good enough so why is it crappy? Because Microsoft says so? ;) Just for comparison, I used to run XGL on a "crappy" 440MX and it was very very fast.

[ShadowVlican]

It sounds alarming for all windows users in the future. Is his opinion kinda biased? It sounds like a bad dream for Microsoft, 5 years and still no competitive competitant...

Ubuntu Feisty will probably blow away Vista bigtime.
visually right?

it'll only blow it away if beryl/xgl/wutever gets used as default, without user intervention and following lines of code (much like how vista's able to detect your system and choose aero for it accordingly)

aero interface works fine on my slow 7300GT too... i like it a lot compared to winxp... vista feels much more smooth... not to mention i didn't have to do anything to get aero working

and no it doesn't run "DOOM3 good enough"... not even close.. unless you have really low expectations ;)

[lyceum]

I am also not impresses. Rather than give you my gripes, I do have to say that their networking is great. I really liked it a lot. I hope Ubuntu can have something like it by defult in the next reliece.

[PryGuy]

and no it doesn't run "DOOM3 good enough"... not even close.. unless you have really low expectations ;)Sorry If I'm wrong, will go check it out... :)I do have to say that their networking is great. I really liked it a lot.Agreed!

[Craftycorner]

Cuz of hardware issues I must run a double OS Windows XP/Kubuntu Dapper. I also have Explorer 7 which I use only for updating Windows XP, I rarely surf in Windows and if I do I have a Firefox there. But you could not PAY me to get Vista. They should call it Pista. What were they thinking?! Sending an OS out in that condition?

[th2]

I all fairness, debugging code is going along with the actual "running" code itself (symbols in other words), so it would be slower than expected. Still, from the looks of it, an official release does not sound like it will go any faster.

Chances are, most of the somewhat aging hardware is probably capable of Aero. Microsoft simply put a check into the OS that just doesn't allow that hardware to use it. FYI, for a lot of new computers that are being sold, there are "express" upgrades to Windows Vista that are free. *Snicker* *Snicker* Like I'd take them up on that offer!

Don't know what they're thinking, but they may have something up their sleeves, so keep your eyes and ears peeled everyone.

[ShadowVlican]

Craftycorner, keep on topic, your post does nothing for this thread.

th2:
for some reason, vista has decided to use pixel shader 2.0 to run the aero interface, meaning any graphics card that isn't Direct9 capable is out of the question (meaning the old hardware you're refering to WON'T work no matter what)

beryl and linux alternatives uses opengl, so even an old geforce 4 would be able to run it

i'm not sure why microsoft decided to limit it like that

[InsomniacUK]

Vista is okay. I tried RC1 and installed without a hitch, and it ran most programs I tried okay. I love the new Start menu, it's great the way they have rearranged things so that you don't have a thousand outwardly cascading menus open, just to launch a program (which happens if you can't be bothered to categorise your Start menu).

The Aero UI is cool, but it lacks the cool of XGL/Compiz/Beryl. I think with a bit of polish, it could be a decent OS by Microsoft standards. Certainly a step up from XP.

That said, there are alot of horror stories surfacing regarding the EULA and DRM aspects of the OS.

The only thing that I think will really make it sell, is DirectX 10. Since DirectX10 won't be backported to XP, if you're a gamer, you will have no choice but to upgrade sooner or later if you want to keep up with the latest games.

[PryGuy]

Well, I've finally installed Edgy on my dedicated machine (dualboot sucks if you ask me). Everything works fine though it's a 900MHz/256Mb computer only. TV application works way faster, OpenGL application works faster than in XP. I have installed Blender, Xara Extreme, Skype and the good old Quake III. I can work perfectly with the PC. And it really makes me think why the hell do I need Vista?! I'll be running Feisty by the time Vista hits. But there's another question; can we judge Vista? I'm not a newbie (well, I call newbies that type of users that are not able to install any OS, not just Linux) if I could install and configure Ubuntu. Let's be honest, most of us are computer geeks here, most are going to be soon. Vista is basically for another type of users mostly. So I think I probably cannot condemn Vista. Another thing is that I frankly seriously undoubtedly think that Ubuntu is better than Vista for me.

I plan to migrate to Ubuntu totally in say two years. And I have XP for the Windows software so far... ;)

[InsomniacUK]

Well, I've finally installed Edgy on my dedicated machine (dualboot sucks if you ask me). Everything works fine though it's a 900MHz/256Mb computer only. TV application works way faster, OpenGL application works faster than in XP. I have installed Blender, Xara Extreme, Skype and the good old Quake III. I can work perfectly with the PC. And it really makes me think why the hell do I need Vista?! I'll be running Feisty by the time Vista hits. But there's another question; can we judge Vista? I'm not a newbie (well, I call newbies that type of users that are not able to install any OS, not just Linux) if I could install and configure Ubuntu. Let's be honest, most of us are computer geeks here, most are going to be soon. Vista is basically for another type of users mostly. So I think I probably cannot condemn Vista. Another thing is that I frankly seriously undoubtedly think that Ubuntu is better than Vista for me.

I plan to migrate to Ubuntu totally in say two years. And I have XP for the Windows software so far... ;)

The main thing you need Windows for is gaming. Linux gaming is better than it used to be, but the range is limited compared to Windows. As I said in my post, DirectX 10 is going to be Vista only, so if you want to keep up with the latest games, you will have no choice, sooner or later, than to switch to Vista.

[PryGuy]

The main thing you need Windows for is gaming. Linux gaming is better than it used to be, but the range is limited compared to Windows. As I said in my post, DirectX 10 is going to be Vista only, so if you want to keep up with the latest games, you will have no choice, sooner or later, than to switch to Vista.Yeah, Micro$oft knows how to make money. You can rise much money selling games. Yet I think that the DirectX9 hardware requirements for vista is nothing but a wish to earn more money from users forcing them to make upgrade. It's all disgusting.

[the.dark.lord]

Vista is typical Microsoft stuff.

[Cannaregio]

Agree totally with Choad:

with more than 5 windows open, you notice lag when dragging a window accross the screen. more than 15 and its almost unusable... lets just say i wont even bother to pirate it when its released, its THAT bad.

didn't try 15 windows, was already wacky by 8, and I'm using a new laptop with Intel Core duo @ 1663.423 & 3332.75 bogomips, which may not be the grrovy best but is surely not peanuts either.
Me too: "i wont even bother to pirate it when its released, its THAT bad" (and I have absolutely NOTHING against pirating software btw).

As for games, I believe it's true that the linux community still underestimates the problem (I still remember that microsoft played very well the "flying simulator" and "age of mepires" cards from the beginning).

HOWEVER methinks that the linux user base is growing faster that we ourselves realize it, and that vista will have it grow even more, and reach the 'critical mass'. So I'm pretty sure that during the next months - let's say before the end of 2007 - we'll see many a proprietary software owner come out with linux drivers.

[3rdalbum]

People in poorer countries who currently use Windows XP Starter Edition can't even open 8 windows at a time, much less 15 :-)

[cantormath]

If anyone disagree with the title of this thread, they need only look at these three videos

Burn effects (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gWHdKD1VE&mode=related&search=)
3D-Touch screen (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6313613059572588466&q=touch+linux)
Novell XGL Presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-6oEcAZ80)

That should put all the Vistas and Macs to Shame.....:KS

[ShadowVlican]

If anyone disagree with the title of this thread, they need only look at these three videos

Burn effects (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gWHdKD1VE&mode=related&search=)
3D-Touch screen (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6313613059572588466&q=touch+linux)
Novell XGL Presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-6oEcAZ80)

That should put all the Vistas and Macs to Shame.....:KS
it doesn't mean vista looks like crap, just means beryl looks BETTER

ur fault for wording the intro like that ;)

[holylucifer]

The reason why vista needs more resources is because microsoft is useing that to spy on you,its why windows uses slower ways, to make ghost copys etc, thats a nother reason why things are slower ye know??

[organica]

Are you sure that your 7300 is crappy? It runs DOOM3 good enough so why is it crappy? Because Microsoft says so? ;) Just for comparison, I used to run XGL on a "crappy" 440MX and it was very very fast.

Same here! Agreed!

[tigerpants]

The reason why vista needs more resources is because microsoft is useing that to spy on you,its why windows uses slower ways, to make ghost copys etc, thats a nother reason why things are slower ye know??

I think its got more to do with the fact that MS also has a vested interest in the hardware market and has decided that everyone should be using 64 bit architecture. God knows why you'd need a specced up uber-PC to run an OS, which most home users will use only to stick tracks on an ipod, remove the redeye from some digital pictures, look at the internet, send email and watch the odd downloaded movie. You can do all that on 15 year old hardware.

Its all about chasing the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ result of which is, the customer stumps up for an expensive upgrade they don't need, for software they don't own.

Fantastic.