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sherlock-holmes
October 22nd, 2006, 01:49 PM
we have several discussions comparing ubuntu and windows...
how about fedora core-6. Its coming out on oct 24 and edgy on oct 26th.. they sy FC6 will be ultra stable (several reports on this) and good printing configuration, wi-fi artwork etc...what say?

i am runnung on edgy and there are several things that are broken. X doesnt work.. i have tried everything except a clean install (so many files to back up) ... FC6 comes with latest kernel etc...

i am going to try FC6 on the laptop this time... may be even make a shift.. with my office pc running on edgy..

thoughts?

chaosgeisterchen
October 22nd, 2006, 01:54 PM
Fedora suffers from using RPM. Everything else is fine with them, as they are a major force in the Linux universe.

plb
October 22nd, 2006, 01:58 PM
Never tried Fedora, Last I used Redhat however was version 6. Never really heard anything bad about the distro.

Lord Illidan
October 22nd, 2006, 02:00 PM
Try it out, tell us what you think.. always try out major distros.

chaosgeisterchen
October 22nd, 2006, 02:03 PM
This will be the week of major distros, as FC6 and Edgy are released. I wonder how they will both work. Fedora Core is a really insteresting distribution as it has great hardware detection (as far as I heard) and a large community which is not a bit behind the ours.

But, well, Ubuntu is somewhat bigger than Fedora.

ComplexNumber
October 22nd, 2006, 02:04 PM
Fedora suffers from using RPM. Everything else is fine with them, as they are a major force in the Linux universe.
it doesn't suffer from rpm at all. thats just ignorant.

i'm running fedora 5 at the moment, and its the only distro(out of opensuse 10, SLED 10, ubuntu, mepis 6.0) which allows me to access the repos via broadband. none of the others did, even though i could connect to the web via firefox ok. i'll be upgrading to fedora 6 when its released.

chaosgeisterchen
October 22nd, 2006, 02:09 PM
I would certainly miss all those fine dpkg-tools while using Fedora, that's all.

So, from my point of view, dpkg is the better tool to maintain a system.. but you should first tell me what Fedora has to offer in comparison, please.

plb
October 22nd, 2006, 02:15 PM
The one thing I noticed is you need several CDs just to install Fedora...

Kobalt
October 22nd, 2006, 02:26 PM
If I had to run away from Ubuntu, then I'd go towards Fedora I think... But I must agree with chaosgeisterchen, I can't think of anything good enough to replace tools like Aptitude. Yast from SUSE used to be a good tool, but it's getting heavier and heavier...
I must give credit to Fedora on their artwork though, it has always been polished and well tuned I think.

ComplexNumber
October 22nd, 2006, 02:28 PM
I would certainly miss all those fine dpkg-tools while using Fedora, that's all.

So, from my point of view, dpkg is the better tool to maintain a system.. but you should first tell me what Fedora has to offer in comparison, please.
what fine dpkg tools are these? :lol:. maybe you've never used rpm properly. i don't knw. i found dpkg to be crippled compared to rpm, and rpm gives far more options. here is a printout of "rpm --help":

Usage: rpm [OPTION...]

Query options (with -q or --query):
-c, --configfiles list all configuration files
-d, --docfiles list all documentation files
--dump dump basic file information
-l, --list list files in package
--queryformat=QUERYFORMAT use the following query format
-s, --state display the states of the listed files
-a, --all query/verify all packages
-f, --file query/verify package(s) owning file
-g, --group query/verify package(s) in group
-p, --package query/verify a package file
-W, --ftswalk query/verify package(s) from TOP file tree
walk
--pkgid query/verify package(s) with package
identifier
--hdrid query/verify package(s) with header
identifier
--fileid query/verify package(s) with file identifier
--specfile query a spec file
--triggeredby query the package(s) triggered by the
package
--whatrequires query/verify the package(s) which require a
dependency
--whatprovides query/verify the package(s) which provide a
dependency
--nomanifest do not process non-package files as
manifests

Verify options (with -V or --verify):
--nomd5 don't verify MD5 digest of files
--nofiles don't verify files in package
--nodeps don't verify package dependencies
--noscript don't execute verify script(s)
-a, --all query/verify all packages
-f, --file query/verify package(s) owning file
-g, --group query/verify package(s) in group
-p, --package query/verify a package file
-W, --ftswalk query/verify package(s) from TOP file tree
walk
--pkgid query/verify package(s) with package
identifier
--hdrid query/verify package(s) with header
identifier
--fileid query/verify package(s) with file identifier
--specfile query a spec file
--triggeredby query the package(s) triggered by the
package
--whatrequires query/verify the package(s) which require a
dependency
--whatprovides query/verify the package(s) which provide a
dependency
--nomanifest do not process non-package files as
manifests

File tree walk options (with --ftswalk):
--comfollow FTS_COMFOLLOW: follow command line symlinks
--logical FTS_LOGICAL: logical walk
--nochdir FTS_NOCHDIR: don't change directories
--nostat FTS_NOSTAT: don't get stat info
--physical FTS_PHYSICAL: physical walk
--seedot FTS_SEEDOT: return dot and dot-dot
--xdev FTS_XDEV: don't cross devices
--whiteout FTS_WHITEOUT: return whiteout information

Signature options:
--addsign sign package(s) (identical to --resign)
-K, --checksig verify package signature(s)
--delsign delete package signatures
--import import an armored public key
--resign sign package(s) (identical to --addsign)
--nodigest don't verify package digest(s)
--nosignature don't verify package signature(s)

Database options:
--initdb initialize database
--rebuilddb rebuild database inverted lists from
installed package headers

Install/Upgrade/Erase options:
--aid add suggested packages to transaction
--allfiles install all files, even configurations
which might otherwise be skipped
--allmatches remove all packages which match <package>
(normally an error is generated if
<package> specified multiple packages)
--badreloc relocate files in non-relocatable package
-e, --erase=<package>+ erase (uninstall) package
--excludedocs do not install documentation
--excludepath=<path> skip files with leading component <path>
--fileconflicts detect file conflicts between packages
--force short hand for --replacepkgs --replacefiles
-F, --freshen=<packagefile>+ upgrade package(s) if already installed
-h, --hash print hash marks as package installs (good
with -v)
--ignorearch don't verify package architecture
--ignoreos don't verify package operating system
--ignoresize don't check disk space before installing
-i, --install install package(s)
--justdb update the database, but do not modify the
filesystem
--nodeps do not verify package dependencies
--nomd5 don't verify MD5 digest of files
--nocontexts don't install file security contexts
--noorder do not reorder package installation to
satisfy dependencies
--nosuggest do not suggest missing dependency
resolution(s)
--noscripts do not execute package scriptlet(s)
--notriggers do not execute any scriptlet(s) triggered
by this package
--oldpackage upgrade to an old version of the package
(--force on upgrades does this
automatically)
--percent print percentages as package installs
--prefix=<dir> relocate the package to <dir>, if
relocatable
--relocate=<old>=<new> relocate files from path <old> to <new>
--repackage save erased package files by repackaging
--replacefiles ignore file conflicts between packages
--replacepkgs reinstall if the package is already present
--test don't install, but tell if it would work or
not
-U, --upgrade=<packagefile>+ upgrade package(s)

Common options for all rpm modes and executables:
-D, --define='MACRO EXPR' define MACRO with value EXPR
-E, --eval='EXPR' print macro expansion of EXPR
--macros=<FILE:...> read <FILE:...> instead of default file(s)
--nodigest don't verify package digest(s)
--nosignature don't verify package signature(s)
--rcfile=<FILE:...> read <FILE:...> instead of default file(s)
-r, --root=ROOT use ROOT as top level directory (default:
"/")
--querytags display known query tags
--showrc display final rpmrc and macro configuration
--quiet provide less detailed output
-v, --verbose provide more detailed output
--version print the version of rpm being used

Options implemented via popt alias/exec:
--scripts list install/erase scriptlets from
package(s)
--setperms set permissions of files in a package
--setugids set user/group ownership of files in a
package
--conflicts list capabilities this package conflicts
with
--obsoletes list other packages removed by installing
this package
--provides list capabilities that this package provides
--requires list capabilities required by package(s)
--info list descriptive information from package(s)
--changelog list change logs for this package
--xml list metadata in xml
--triggers list trigger scriptlets from package(s)
--last list package(s) by install time, most
recent first
--filesbypkg list all files from each package
--fileclass list file names with classes
--filecolor list file names with colors
--filecontext list file names with security context from
header
--fscontext list file names with security context from
file system
--recontext list file names with security context from
policy RE
--fileprovide list file names with provides
--filerequire list file names with requires
--redhatprovides find package name that contains a provided
capability (needs rpmdb-redhat package
installed)
--redhatrequires find package name that contains a required
capability (needs rpmdb-redhat package
installed)
--buildpolicy=<policy> set buildroot <policy> (e.g. compress man
pages)
--with=<option> enable configure <option> for build
--without=<option> disable configure <option> for build

Help options:
-?, --help Show this help message
--usage Display brief usage message

plb
October 22nd, 2006, 02:30 PM
Shots are now up at osdir of FC6

http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=749&slide=23&title=fedora+core+6+screenshots

chaosgeisterchen
October 22nd, 2006, 02:33 PM
I must cut out apt-options as they also work with any other distribution.

I find things like dpkg-reconfigure and dpkg-divert very interesting, the packet managing system is very good I have to say. You can fix fundamental problems very fast (in most cases).

//edit

concerning the shots:

Awesome artwork! And cool installer as well.

They took the infinity-logo and merged it with some DNA-theme. I do not like the icons but that's subjective. Well done I would like to say. I am probably testing it - dude, they really use 2.6.18. Does this have any positive effect?

Lord Illidan
October 22nd, 2006, 02:38 PM
looks better than FC 5. Wallpaper now looks more serious, and the theme is less shiny.

Burgresso
October 22nd, 2006, 02:46 PM
I've tried both Fedora 4 and 5, but not 6. 5 was ultra-polished and sassy. They were ok but had a key piont of failure for me.

Despite using one of the most common wireless cards (non USB, even) in the universe - both versions did not support them out of the box. I tried forever to get it to work. I could not believe it, expecially when this was not fixed in FC5. Ubuntu since (at least) 5.10 has supported it out of the box with no set-up. The Fedora forums are filled with requests about how to get this wireless card to work.

I know I'm over generallizing and assuming that making a distro is a bit easier then it probably is, but couldn't they look to see how Ubuntu did it?

I hope FC6 fixed this, but I would bet money otherwise. If they did, I would give it serious consideration as my desktop. I'll try it and see.

AndyCooll
October 22nd, 2006, 03:17 PM
Just thought it worth pointing out that there are actually quite a few threads in these forums discussing Fedora Core, and in turn comparing it to Ubuntu. Indeed the distro even has its own section! Here: Other OS Talk - Red Hat/Fedora (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=162)

Ubuntu Forums > Community Discussions > Categories > Other OS Talk > RedHat/Fedora

:cool:

BWF89
October 22nd, 2006, 03:34 PM
Could anyone tell me how Fedora Core 6 compares to Scientific Linux 4.4?

SpEcIeS
October 23rd, 2006, 01:32 PM
Well I really liked RPM and I also like dpkg tools too. RPM is really easy to use and building packages is very easy. DEB packages on the other had are a little more tedious.

ComplexNumber
October 24th, 2006, 12:02 PM
here's a screenshot of my desktop showing the the icons destined for FC7. they are called Echo.

LMP900
October 24th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Why are there three FC6 threads? So confusing ;) Anyways,

here's a screenshot of my desktop showing the the icons destined for FC7. they are called Echo.

Echo looks good, although I really like their current folder icons. I know they've been using them for quite some time, but those folder icons are simple and attractive. The other icons look good, however.

One thing they really need to change is the "Reload" or "Refresh" icon. Ubuntu probably has the most attractive icon (the blue circle-arrow) out of any OS, including Vista and OS X.

sherlock-holmes
October 24th, 2006, 12:48 PM
I am right now downloading FC6. I will update here my experience.
People are crazy on that, that the downloading take a looooong time...dejavu on the ubuntu LTS download.

@ major distros releasing the stable version in the span of a couple of days is creating a lot of buzz in the community...

I see that the hits are running a little low on ubuntu--- last seven days i mean (according to distrowatch)....

for 7 days...
1 Ubuntu 2839 (down)
2 openSUSE 2415 (down)
3 Fedora 1983 (up)

still ubuntu leads FC by almost 1000 hits..

it would be interesting to see how it goes in the coming weeks...!!!

ComplexNumber
October 24th, 2006, 01:00 PM
Echo looks good, although I really like their current folder icons.
you mean these bluecurve icons? :p

chaosgeisterchen
October 24th, 2006, 01:20 PM
for 7 days...
1 Ubuntu 2839 (down)
2 openSUSE 2415 (down)
3 Fedora 1983 (up)

still ubuntu leads FC by almost 1000 hits..

it would be interesting to see how it goes in the coming weeks...!!!

SuSE will drop and both Ubuntu and Fedora rise as they both are releasing their new versions this week.

SpEcIeS
October 24th, 2006, 01:22 PM
SuSE will drop and both Ubuntu and Fedora rise as they both are releasing their new versions this week.
I concur. ;)

LMP900
October 24th, 2006, 02:24 PM
you mean these bluecurve icons? :p

Yes! The only folder icons that look better than those are Vista's.

The bluecurve folder icons look simple and professional (no shiny :p), and they needed only a slight improvement; not a complete change.