Why windows rule the market!

[25an]

Hi!

I have now for about a week worked with two diffrent computers, one of them with Nvidia and the other with ATI. Not one of them have I managed to get to work without problems.
I understand that this is a problem with the graphic card manufactures but that dosn't matter, if Linux ever is going to have a chance on the market this have to change.
Isn´t it time that a distribution like Ubuntu, Mandrive or SUSE starts to sell computers with there version configured and tuned?
I mean that this is the only way to get the graphic cards manufactures to start writing drivers that truely works. I love Linux and open source, but I want my computer to work. I would love to buy a computer with all the basic drivers done, like a dell computer but with Linux. Of course I would not stop to hack the system but I don´t whant to have this problems with a f*** graphic card that should just work.
There is a lot of companies out ther that is fed up with microsoft but it is to difficult to turn to linux when it is problems with the the basic like drivers to the grapic card.

I would like to know what you think.

[glotz]

http://www.system76.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.linuxcertified.com/
etc etc

google keywords: preinstalled preloaded Linux/Ubuntu

by the way, you're in wrong forum dude..

[PriceChild]

*moves to cafe*

[skymt]

My graphics card (nVidia) Just Worked on install. I wanted to play 3D games, so I took 5 minutes and followed the guide on the Ubuntu Wiki to install the official drivers. I didn't even need to compile anything, unlike the installation under most distrobutions. This seems to be the experience for most users. You != everyone, and Linux != Windows.

[aysiu]

I didn't have any difficulty installing Nvidia drivers on my computer.

Do you think your experience is any more valid or typical than mine?

[DoctorMO]

My graphics card is nVidia, I've accepted that it won't be 3D until nVidia release open source drivers. I may be waiting forever but I'm not practical, I'm one of those principle people.

[bdb]

Driver wasn't the issue but monitor was. I had a good amount of difficulty setting up my second monitor. Actually installing one monitor was simple. Installing the nvidia driver was simple. I *am* in a good mindset to not lose my patience though. I installed ubuntu knowing it would be a challenge. I've also had past linux experience.

[weasel fierce]

Linux as a whole can do f**k-all if the manufacturers of video cards dont give us something to work with.

[emarkay]

Why have to have the latest and the greatest video card if it's not supported - just because I want a 2007 Chevy with a Mercedes Benz engine doesn't mean GM will build one for me.

But, if enough people tell the OEM that that is what they want, maybe they will....

Don't preach to the choir, call, write or visit the OEM and tell them to do a Linux driver, or Google the WWW for one, or pay a guru to write one for you, or DIY!

Nuff said?

Windows will rule the market because sheep and cattle are too stupid to see the slaughterhouse.

Windows, It's what's for dinner.

[RAV TUX]

*moves to windows discussion*

[FineE]

I have had no problems installing both the open source nv driver and the proprietary nVidia drivers with both Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper. I have used both an nVidia GeForce 6200 and a legacy nVidia Vanta card.

Now what I fail to understand is what on earth problems installing video drivers in Ubuntu has to do with Microsoft or its Windows operating system?

[MetalMusicAddict]

Kinda weird to me that people have so much trouble with nVidia drivers. :-k I do have a "latest and greatest" card a 7900GT. Under Dapper I used the nVidia drivers from them and in Edgy their already packaged for me. Just get 'em from Synaptic.:D There a good many How-Tos here on the process.

[BLTicklemonster]

*** moves to... no wait, I can't move anything :( ***


Hey 25an, did you try tseliot's envy? Easiest setup yet. Or how about automatix and the drivers it installs?

Don't give up, you got a bunch of good people here who will try to help.

[25an]

This seems to be the experience for most users. You != everyone, and Linux != Windows.

Google shutdown problem and you will get a lot of hits were people are having problems with there graphic card.
Or search the ubuntu forum.

I can't get my computer with ATI card to shutdown through
Kde or fluxbox I have to do it with a konsole and the last thing I got when I was searching for a solution was that the it is a known bug in fglrx driver and that this will at least not be fixed until Xorg7.1 is relesed.

[cunawarit]

Why have to have the latest and the greatest video card if it's not supported

Because this is what people are used to doing with Windows. I’m in agreement with you, but I can see why this stops many people from staying with Linux after they try it out.

We keep saying that Linux != Windows, but that isn’t a message the average user knows about, the average user will wonder why some Flash stuff doesn’t play, why they connect their phone to the machine and nothing happens, why their scanner won’t work, etc…

Then they from a purely practical view they assume that Linux is inferior to Windows.

Perhaps Linux has been a victim of its own success. For years the press has said that Linux is the next big thing on the desktop, and that this year is finally the year for Linux desktop. No doubt many people who have never even installed Windows try out Linux and are thusly disappointed. I know a guy at work who tried Suse and gave up on it because he needed to use the command line, he felt that is something only a developer should do and that everything should be done via the gui. No doubt many others are as misguided as he is.


just because I want a 2007 Chevy with a Mercedes Benz engine doesn't mean GM will build one for me.

Well, an AMG 65 powered Tahoe would be kind of neat. ;)

Windows will rule the market because sheep and cattle are too stupid to see the slaughterhouse.

This is a complex question, not everyone would be better off with a Linux distro in the first place, and it really depends on the needs of the individual user.

There’s also no reason why someone couldn’t come up with a distro that is easier to use than Windows, a distro that auto-detects 99.9% of stuff, provides gui interfaces for settings, blocks them from editing anything manually, sanitizes the file system by locking them out of bits they don’t need, and lets them use the computer as root all the time so they don’t have to worry about pesky things like entering passwords to install stuff.

They wouldn’t be using Windows. But would this system be in any way superior to Windows? I’d argue it wouldn’t. You would loose all the customisability of Linux and gain all the insecurity of Windows. In fact, they would probably be better off running Windows.

[BLTicklemonster]

You know, I would imagine that if you took some, but not all people who always rode on mass transit and plopped them down in a car, they'd be extremely surprised that they have to do a few things for themselves, and would not quite catch on to how much more control they have once they get past that whole "hold this and do that" thing.

Be that as it may, Ubuntu is indeed ready for I'd say over 90 percent of the pcs on the market. Now if you have a wireless modem or something that is not recognized by ubuntu, chances are you can buy a new one that is supported for less than you would have to spend on Windows.

[emarkay]

Then they from a purely practical view they assume that Linux is inferior to Windows.
Just makes me wonder how and why, in the hypothetical scope of things,"we" (the literate in these things) let Window$ become the sole source to the masses.

Perhaps Linux has been a victim of its own success. For years the press has said that Linux is the next big thing on the desktop, and that this year is finally the year for Linux desktop.

IMHO this will be the year, and Vista will be the tipping point in the industrial world (where piracy is still verbotten.)
Also, IMHO, the twentysomethings weaned on the "C:" prompt (like me) learned the gooey and survived! I just can't understand why today's "bosses" put up with these tattooed, spoiled brat, urban hipster type twentysomethings that whine and cry because they have to, like, actually, like, use their brains a little bit, like?


No doubt many others are as misguided as he is.


Misguided is only appropriate if they are fed lies. I think when the blind lead the blind, everyone is just unable to see the future.


There’s also no reason why someone couldn’t come up with a distro that is easier to use than Windows, a distro that auto-detects 99.9% of stuff, provides gui interfaces for settings, blocks them from editing anything manually, sanitizes the file system by locking them out of bits they don’t need...

Um, isn't that what Ubuntu is SUPPOSED to be and can easily be configured to be? Once you "save your password" (like the clueless do), you STILL need "SUDO" to do any REAL damage...

Ah, but it's just a flicker in my neurons - but what I want to know - do you have a Superbird over there? :)

MRK

[jhenager]

Think back 10 years and remember how difficult it was to install Linux or FreeBSD. Now look at the fabulous setup programs that rival Microsoft (which always had a nice setup interface).
To answer your question, Microsoft was in the right place at the right time, and now the installed base and investment in software and developers is too large to change rapidly.
But give it time, and free, powerful, secure and beautiful software like Ubuntu with Beryl will have its day.

[cunawarit]

Ah, but it's just a flicker in my neurons - but what I want to know - do you have a Superbird over there? :)

Sadly not. I have a Camaro, a humble lil IROC-Z (and no, I don't have a mullet ;) ).

But there are a few Superbirds here (well, I have seen two in the UK, ever! and both at car shows).

Misguided is only appropriate if they are fed lies. I think when the blind lead the blind, everyone is just unable to see the future.

I don't think command lines are necesarily the future, but they are very useful tools that most IT people should appreciate. However, not all do and that's worrying, it comes to a shock to people that you don't have to do everything with the mouse and you can infact script things.

[ShadowVlican]

There’s also no reason why someone couldn’t come up with a distro that is easier to use than Windows, a distro that auto-detects 99.9% of stuff, provides gui interfaces for settings, blocks them from editing anything manually, sanitizes the file system by locking them out of bits they don’t need, and lets them use the computer as root all the time so they don’t have to worry about pesky things like entering passwords to install stuff.

They wouldn’t be using Windows. But would this system be in any way superior to Windows? I’d argue it wouldn’t. You would loose all the customisability of Linux and gain all the insecurity of Windows. In fact, they would probably be better off running Windows.
so are you implying that linux is more secure than windows BECAUSE it doesn't have the above features you listed?

[3rdalbum]

The reason why the Nvidea and ATI drivers are not "preinstalled" in Ubuntu is because they are closed-source, and as such cannot be legally incorporated into the Linux kernel.

You will also find that a stock Windows installation does not include the drivers, either. Shutdown problems with ATI cards can be fixed by installing the latest version of the driver from the ATI website.

[cunawarit]

so are you implying that linux is more secure than windows BECAUSE it doesn't have the above features you listed?

Only partly, security is just one of the factors to consider.