Designed for Windows XP

[Naralas]

This may be enterpreted as bashing. I just call it funny.

I have a silver rectangle in the corner of my laptop below my hand right now. Why? Because once upon a time I had a logo there that said "Designed for windows XP" well after reformating with IBM's windows xp about 5 times, (in only a few months) then reformating atleast 5 more with my own in a few more months, I installed Red Hat, failed to get wireless working and gave it hte boot. Tried TurboLinux, Slackware, Solaris (which didnt even recognise my keyboard so I couldn't even finish installing) etc. etc. then I found Ubuntu.

Installed, worked 100% ouf ot the box (I recommend it for anyone with a T41 IBM ThinkPad for that very reason) and anyway, as soon as I saw that Ubuntu ran everything on my laptop, required a few tweaks for the Ati card to work "well" but not a big deal, I decided to scratch off the Windows sticker. the sick thing is its alot like in the simpsons where they try there damndest to destroy there permenant records and they just wont die, well everything but a ghost of the windows logo has been bashed off the case of my laptop. And it just wont go away!!

The IBM T41 was NOT designed for Windows XP. It takes ATLEAST 2 hours of wrestling with hardware to make it work. The "all in one" driver application from IBM dosen't even work because it requires an internet connection, and silly them, they didn't realise that there own laptop has no USB, Ethernet or Wireless functionality out of the box with XP Pro.. oops?

It may not have been intentional, but my T41 is an Ubuntu machine through and through. I even have that big sticker they send you with ubuntu CD's in the corner now. ^_^

"Ubuntu, Linux for Human Beings"

Probably posted this in the wrong place. Just couldn't stop myself.

[meng]

This is as good a place as any, I should think. After reading your story, I reckon there ought to be stickers reading "Works best with Ubuntu". That way, you have the option of keeping your "Designed for Windows" sticker, and placing the "Works best with Ubuntu" sticker right next to it!

[Aelfric5578]

I should think. After reading your story, I reckon there ought to be stickers reading "Works best with Ubuntu".

There already are. Sort of. They actually say powered by Ubuntu.

See here: http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64

[Yossarian]

I'm very glad you like Ubuntu. It really is a very well engineered OS.

My Dell PC was like that. They included a stock version of Windows ME (ie no special drivers) but said it was windows ME compatible on the side. The stock ME disc had no dell ethernet driver. D'oh! Won't be downloading no white album without no ethernet driver, I'll tell you what.

Windows can be OK, but I find the way people usually set it up is really really bad. Just look at any new PC, like 50 stupid apps that you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy that load in the tray on startup.

[cunawarit]

Windows can be OK, but I find the way people usually set it up is really really bad. Just look at any new PC, like 50 stupid apps that you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy that load in the tray on startup.

I personally like Windows a lot and I have that issue as well, I think part of the problem is that Windows isn't as easy to administer as it is to use. So the average user is fooled into thinking that they can “use a computer” just because they are able to use the basic functions and install new apps.

I've lost count of the family members and friends that ask me to have a look at their machines because they are slow, ridden with spy ware, terribly set-up, and just generally messed up to the point where they aren't usable anymore. In fact, I am shocked they put up with their unusable machines for so long, if I had paid good money for a product that was so messed up I would throw a fit.

This is one of the strong points of Debian and its derivatives, the package management is fantastic!!! The main problem with Windows is that the average user installs things willinilly from sources that really shouldn't be trusted. The problem is that it is also restrictive, I don't think the average user would be willing to just use approved packages, they want to be able to install anything they find on the Web or is sent to them via email, not to mention install and uninstall games some of which really shouldn't have been released because they really aren't past beta quality...

[Naralas]

Sooo your saying windows is better because it fails to protect people from there own stupidity like Ubuntu does???

Or just that thats why its more liked?

[NeoLithium]

Wow, I've been looking for those stickers for quite some time; I already removed my Designed for XP sticker; but just for fun, I put it on my garbage can that's next to my computer desk. Hehehe.

I would have hoped for something a little more flashy and less simple; but that's just me, because I can't print any. Still, it has ubuntu on it; so I may just have to get it anyway :)

[cunawarit]

Sooo your saying windows is better because it fails to protect people from there own stupidity like Ubuntu does???

Or just that thats why its more liked?

I don't think Windows is better than Ubuntu, neither is better, it is entirely a matter of personal preference. I happen to know Windows better, that's why I am happy to use Linux at home but I wouldn't consider it for anything serious till I have some more experience under my belt.

Why is it more liked? simply becuase it is in more computers. It is just what people know. If Ubuntu were in 90% of desktops that would be what people are used to. My last point was that at the moment people are used to being able to install things by clicking on a .exe file, if they were used to using apt then the idea of clicking on a random .exe might seem a litle too dangerous to them.

[cgm]

I agree with Naralas. Installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my IBM Thinkpad T41p and everything worked! Had some minor configs to do but nothing like the hassle of installing Windows XP. Have had some problems with the wireless networking after installing 6.10 tho... It does not list wireless networks available and is just a hassle to connect. Overall tho' ok and I find I use windows less and less on my dual-boot system.

Maybe Ubuntu has evolved the Linux OS to the point where it might now be chosen for its ease of use!

Who needs Vista...

[ShadowVlican]

to each their own

my toshiba protege 3500 (it's a tablet pc) has the "Designed for Windows XP" sticker..... and IT IS

why? the most important feature, THE PEN, doesn't work in linux (it might if i were brought up in linux and knew how to write lines of code or crap like that, but i wasn't)

guess what.... the PEN works in windows.... hand-writing recognition and everything else

almost all hardware out there has been designed with windows in mind, so when i buy something at a hardware store i DON'T have to think about "would it work in windows?"

[mahy]

almost all hardware out there has been designed with windows in mind, so when i buy something at a hardware store i DON'T have to think about "would it work in windows?"

It is NOT Linux's fault that you have to think about compatibility issues before buying a piece of hardware. Period.

[Chinkostu]

speaking of the ubuntu stickers, i stuck one to my bass amp. imagine a linux powered amp. mm. haha

[ShadowVlican]

It is NOT Linux's fault that you have to think about compatibility issues before buying a piece of hardware. Period.
i agree totally

and it's NOT microsoft's fault that it works with practically everything out there ;)

who's at fault then?... manufacturers and their driver design team? but why should they spend time writing for a small market? costs them money to do that... maybe it's money's fault 8) this problem, it goes in circles ](*,)

i wouldn't put blame on anyone... everyone's at fault :twisted:

[Portable_Jim]

This is as good a place as any, I should think. After reading your story, I reckon there ought to be stickers reading "Works best with Ubuntu". That way, you have the option of keeping your "Designed for Windows" sticker, and placing the "Works best with Ubuntu" sticker right next to it!

How about this (see attachment)

[pingvin]

Sooo your saying windows is better because it fails to protect people from there own stupidity like Ubuntu does???

Or just that thats why its more liked?

Having used Linux for only about 6 months now, it has just today occurred to my why I prefer it to Windows. Sure, Windows is easy to use, when it comes to games, etc, but the main difference for me is that, when running Linux, my computer never makes the assumption that I am an idiot.
Example: Ubuntu downloaded some updates earlier today - dpkg and HAL. Naturally, having upgraded the HAL, it required a restart. Which it told me about - ONCE. Then, it just kept the little 'restart' icon in the top right of the screen. Windows - requires a restart after almost every update, no matter how trivial, and what's more - tells you you still need to restart your computer every 10 minutes until you finally do!
It's not what Linux does, so much as what it doesn't do, and I find it refreshing.

Mike

[3rdalbum]

For decades, Mac users have had to check compatibility information before buying a peripheral. Mac users still have to do it. Do you hear them complaining? No!

For that matter, people using older versions of Windows have to check compatibility information too. But I don't think I've ever heard Win 98 users complaining about that.

[cantormath]

The IBM T41 was NOT designed for Windows XP. It takes ATLEAST 2 hours of wrestling with hardware to make it work. The "all in one" driver application from IBM dosen't even work because it requires an internet connection, and silly them, they didn't realise that there own laptop has no USB, Ethernet or Wireless functionality out of the box with XP Pro.. oops?

It may not have been intentional, but my T41 is an Ubuntu machine through and through. I even have that big sticker they send you with ubuntu CD's in the corner now. ^_^

"Ubuntu, Linux for Human Beings"

Probably posted this in the wrong place. Just couldn't stop myself.

Please realize that I hate windows, but....
I must disagree. The ibm's are the easiest machines to install Windows on. All you do is install the OS, download the driver script from the sight and run it. It will set up and install all the drivers necessary as well as reflash your bios if you wish.

[ShadowVlican]

Having used Linux for only about 6 months now, it has just today occurred to my why I prefer it to Windows. Sure, Windows is easy to use, when it comes to games, etc, but the main difference for me is that, when running Linux, my computer never makes the assumption that I am an idiot.
Example: Ubuntu downloaded some updates earlier today - dpkg and HAL. Naturally, having upgraded the HAL, it required a restart. Which it told me about - ONCE. Then, it just kept the little 'restart' icon in the top right of the screen. Windows - requires a restart after almost every update, no matter how trivial, and what's more - tells you you still need to restart your computer every 10 minutes until you finally do!
It's not what Linux does, so much as what it doesn't do, and I find it refreshing.

Mike
glad you're not an idiot

too bad the majority of COMPUTER users ARE idiots :) we are the minority here :???: