Vista Discussion: Are you getting it?

[Kalinda]

So, come on, own up; who is gonna buy it? Any of the gamers here? Given you have to upgrade to Vista in order to use DirectX 10.. which sucks.. but then again, that "only two motherboard upgrades" rule is nuts; most gamers usually upgrade several times to keep their system really new for the latest games.

I won't be getting it, though; it's got too much crazy DRM stuff... and I'm strictly a console gamer anyway, except for some rather old PC games which generally seem to work in WINE. I haven't used my XP boot in a while, either... freeing those 21 gigs is starting to seem like a good idea...

What about work; is anyone's company going to upgrade? Anyone tested the beta? How's it work for you?

This isn't meant to be a bashing thread, just some honest discussion.

[Rackerz]

I'm a gamer so the answer to whether I'm upgrading is no. Microsoft has told gamers that games will run 10-15% slower than in XP. If I must upgrade for the use of DirectX 10 then I must but as far as I'm concerned I wont be upgrading until it's absolutely necessary to play games with DirectX 10.

Also, it seems to bulky, they've put too much eye candy in it for my liking.

[Gargamella]

i am tempted because i am courious

but i know i shouldn't but i make here another question:dual boot is dangerous for laptop HD life?is possible to install a windows without deleting linux?

[Rhubarb]

i am tempted because i am courious

Then try out the RC1 or RC2, it's free from m$'s website.

My work (a really really big company in Ireland) will be considering vista in a couple of years from now.
I've already suggested a move to open source software.
In a couple years from now Open Source software and Linux Distros should be even bigger and better than it is now
- (which means it'll be :KSAmazing:KS )

As for gaming at home, I'll stick with the linux friendly games, like the unreal tournament line and anything from id software.

I'm trying out Vista RC1 at the moment, and might I just add, it's absolutly terrrrrrrrrrrrrible!

[Rhubarb]

but i know i shouldn't but i make here another question:dual boot is dangerous for laptop HD life?is possible to install a windows without deleting linux?

No, dual booting off a laptop HD is not harmful. Think of it as just a smaller sized desktop hard drive.

Yes it is possible to install windows without deleting linux, I don't personally know how to do it though. It is much easier for your average user (I dunno how to define average here) just to back up their home folder, wipe the lot, install windows, then install ubuntu back again.

[Kateikyoushi]

Will see if there are some games which need DX10 and my friends start to play it in multi I might, but maybe get a new notebook with vista.

But would rather stay with XP on my gaming rig because it is faster.

[Exclamation]

I wont be getting it. The only gaming I do is Tremulous,Savage,ET...
I only wish a few things in my laptop would work better (built in webcam/mic,broadcom wireless).

[Gargamella]

No, dual booting off a laptop HD is not harmful. Think of it as just a smaller sized desktop hard drive.

Yes it is possible to install windows without deleting linux, I don't personally know how to do it though. It is much easier for your average user (I dunno how to define average here) just to back up their home folder, wipe the lot, install windows, then install ubuntu back again.

thank you for the info,but i am very angry because i can't play on linux since i've got a intel grahic card on my lenovo laptop and i can't set it to play,(damned bad-supported hardware http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=276695 )
because of this problem and the lack of my working software (macromedia flash) i need dual-boot

[dca]

With what I do for a living, it is almost inevitible that I will be exposed to it... Not looking forward to it. I'm sure if I was worried about it (er: or cared), I'd read up on as much as I can besides putzing around w/ the Beta vers...

[Dragonbite]

I'm not a gamer so I wouldn't get it for that purpose, but I also have no control over what work uses (yet :evil: ) so I'll be subjected to Vista when we upgrade our PCs and it comes pre-installed.

I don't know how many people are going to go out and buy it, but if I don't get a new computer system before Vista comes out I may be stuck with it pre-installed! :( (gotta save my pennies.. the race is on!)

[rlozano]

personally, im not getting it. i have tried the RC1 and vista is so much resource hungry (not to mention driver support)... i will stay using linux (ubuntu) and XP for some window applications that i need.

Vista is another way of microsoft to make people dispose off their old hardware and buy a new one with their latest OS...

---WindDragon---

[meng]

Pretty one-sided result so far, although of course this is a biased sample.

[ago]

No more ms tax for me.

I already have 3 legal XP licenses, I do not use them at all, and I cannot even sell them...

I will only buy PCs with Linux/Ubuntu preinstalled (I do not plan to consider machines without an OS/FreeDos, or DIY, since I want to encourage those companies that risk their neck to support Linux).

In fact even if Vista was free I would not touch it with a stick, because of DRM, SPP and all other closed/cruippled standards/formats that it tries to foster.

[Spif]

I'm not buying a product with so many restrictions for the end-user. Besides, I haven't yet heard of/seen anything Vista can do that Linux can't.

[Kayne]

I see no need for upgrading to Vista yet.
As long as all software I use is working on XP, I won't upgrade. I'm also no gamer, so Vista probably can wait for another 3 years.
Besides that, my next computer will be a Mac :)

[Shay Stephens]

I decided a while ago when I heard about the DRM, trusted computing, and further restriction to freedom that I would never buy or support Vista. As time has past, I have been increasingly horrified at what they are doing with Vista.

So I don't care what gold plated carrot they dangle in front of vista. There is no way I will buy or support it in any way. And I am actively educating people I know about vista and they are steering away from it too.

I think vista will be MS's lynch pin.

[TrendyDark]

I may go ahead and check it out on my new computer, but that's where I draw the line. My new computer is being built for Linux use, hopefully fixing the only reoccuring probelm I have, sound issues while gaming.

[Lord Illidan]

My system works 100% with Linux. I don't see why I've got to install Windows on it.

Sometimes I am tempted by games, most notably Battle for Middle Earth, COD 2, CSS and the like. But I don't want to go through the hassle of re-installing XP...so I won't.

And as for Vista...probably will have to install it in the future, since who knows what windows software we'll have to use at university? But I'm not enthusiastic about it, no sir!

[Kalinda]

I don't know how many people are going to go out and buy it, but if I don't get a new computer system before Vista comes out I may be stuck with it pre-installed! :( (gotta save my pennies.. the race is on!)
Well, you could always purchase all the parts and build your own computer, hard drives and all. I think that's actually cheaper then buying one with a pre-installed OS, plus you get all sorts of choice.

Pretty one-sided result so far, although of course this is a biased sample.
Haha, yeah :) I really was wondering, though... because everyone here appears to have a copy of XP, either because they bought it or because they used it for Ubuntu.

Also, it seems to bulky, they've put too much eye candy in it for my liking.
It does look good, though... however, I bet it can't do a lot of the really neat things Compiz/XGL can do; I recently had the pleasure of seeing that stuff and... whoa *__* Those custom animations are really neat, plus there's so much choice. And I don't think it costs your computer much operating power. Heck, even XP ran slow on my oldish computer until I turned off all the eye candy [-(

I decided a while ago when I heard about the DRM, trusted computing, and further restriction to freedom that I would never buy or support Vista. As time has past, I have been increasingly horrified at what they are doing with Vista.
Trusted Computer scares me... I read that it's being implemented into hardware after a certain date.. although I don't know a whole lot about it, so you might be able to turn it off.. but some of the stuff that can be done with it.... uuugh...

The only thing DRM is really good at is vendor lock-in.. and it'll always get cracked anyway, but the average joe who buys music won't see the need to crack it if it remains semi-reasonable. As long as we've got folks who are willing to break it for the sake of interoperability, and countries which take it into account when drafting DRM-laws, I think we'll be alright. It's too bad the US didn't, though.. ](*,) I hope Canada does when we get to it.

[NoTiG]

I might pirate it in the future. but if you think about it usually when a new Direct X comes out, it takes a couple of years for a game to actually use it to be released. So it won't be for awhile. But I'm never buying another Windows OS again.

[gwk]

I'm a gamer, so only when things move to DirectX 10 will I begin to consider Vista. And then I'll first check out Cedega to see how far along they are for DX10 games.

I played with Vista RC1 and it was pretty, but didn't find anything else that seemed all that much better than XP. Add in a high price and that insane "one time transfer" limitation on the retail version... that doesn't make me want to go Vista at all.

Once I'm done with XP, it'll be Ubuntu all the time. It's the first Linux distro I've felt "at home" in. Any friends and others who call me for tech support I'll be pushing to a Mac (for my mom, etc.) or for anyone with moderate technical knowledge, I'll be handing them an Ubuntu Live CD.

[kopilo]

If XP pro drops below $100 when Vista comes out, then I might buy an XP Pro version.

[justin whitaker]

I'm a gamer. I think that the 10-15% drop is a bit disengenuous, since the benchmarks were done on a RC with Beta drivers. Let ATi and Nvidia get their act together, and then rerun the test.

As for me: nah, a read of the license for Vista makes me want to pass on it.

[DeemanXu]

I'm a relatively 'new' user of Ubuntu Linux, and recently completely ditched Windows XP in favour of good ol' Dapper. I will 'definitely NOT be wasting my money on Microsofts next 'Fisher Price OS'.

After, at times, wrestling with Ubuntu, I have no reason AT ALL to return to what i can only describe as a 'Slowly Sinking Ship'. I have everything i need in Ubuntu. I have Amsn, I have Firefox, I have a myriad of Media Players to choose from. I have Photo/Image editing software, I have the ability to continually learn from this Operating System; one person summed it up recently for me via a reply to a thread i posted regarding Firefox Java Issues, and that was: 'Computing outside the box'. I love the fact that you have to 'do-it-yourself' as it were regarding some aspects of Linux. I love the fact that if you're really stuck with a certain problem there is a 'family sized Community' that you can always ask for assistance, as i did recently regarding a .mp3 issue. I also love the fact that it's free, and furthermore, and probably the most pleasing fact about being a 'Linux User' is the peace of mind. The fact that you're not plagued by Viruses, Ad/spy/malware, hacking ( or at least i haven't. anyway ), and other nasties.

The only thing that you could moan about really, is the fact that there is not enough gaming support - i cured that by installing Cedega.

Maybe the lack of support will change in the future as Linux/Open Source continues to develope and grow at it's current geometric rate.....i thoroughly hope that the latter is the case.

So, if any of you new Ubuntu users are thinking of 'jacking it in', just hang on in there, it get's better, if not awesome ;)

PS: I do go on at times, please forgive me :-k

[Narzuhl]

DeemanXu,

I am right there with you. I am an avid gamer and also Computer Tech (I admin/program SQL and work on MS 2000/2003 servers all day)
I dumped XP for Ubuntu, and I will not look back. Cedega works for that I need for gamming, and for all other apps, well the rest are free (I do not count the few I donated to). I like the fact that Ubuntu is stimulating my brain again. XP is the Lazy OS and Vista even worse.
I have tried Vista; I did not like it to much. What I do not like even more it that I would have to upgrade my PC again (after I just did it 4 months ago) to something a little faster to run all the eye candy from MS. Why??? All I have seen from Vista is how much control you lose on your OS. XP was bad from 2000 but Vista is worse. Forget admin privileges, some stuff will just not work until you turn off their firewall/ Windows Defender junk.
While I admire MS for trying to keep the evils of the internet out of your PC, I am pissed that you have to do so much work just to surf to some web sites. Work I am not afraid of, but not being able to connect to your bank for example because their security script runs or your VPN at work for the same reason is a joke. No problem on either in Ubuntu or XP.
I am not bashing MS, I like SQL and their server products. I cannot remember when the last time we rebooted out Exchanger 2003 servers or had a problem with them.

No I will stay with Ubuntu, heck I just got my desktop the way I like it………hey what is that beryl thing…….gotta go and read how to install that!.

[BWF89]

Right now the only computer in the house is monopolized by my parents who won't let me duel boot Linux with our copy of Windows XP. We might be getting another computer in the next year or two in which time I hope to convince them an iMac is the way to go. If they get an iMac we won't be getting Windows Vista, if we get another PC they'll use whatever comes on it so we will be useing Windows Vista.

[beercz]

...... Besides, I haven't yet heard of/seen anything Vista can do that Linux can't.
Produce AutoCAD drawings and flash movies .... (and the many windows only specialist applications out there)

[beercz]

In answer to the pollster's question:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! !!

[robcarr2]

Maybe, not sure.

[Senak^2]

Nope, not even going to consider it. I checked the specs of my main compy against the minimum requirements for Vista and it doesn't meet it because my ATI AIW 7500 apparently isn't good enough for the eye candy. Granted the card is a little old but it's still doing a fine job of capturing video in XP. I don't see the point in upgrading the hardware or OS when things are working just as is. It would be too much trouble to bother with...

[Frak]

No way! I am devoted to Open-Source, I am NEVER going to pay to start my computer, Open-Source was made for developers but made it to common people, I am so devoted I even created a site for it (developers still needed!) M$ made their OS for $$$ when Ubuntu and other Open-Source developers made programs for the good of man, Mark Shuttleworth founded Ubuntu for the common good, and see what it's done. People are fanatic about it. The only thing I pay for is the Computer and the Power.8)

[Not the man I once was]

Greetings All,

I'm not going to be purchasing Microsoft Windows nor indeed their Vista Operating System. The reasons are many but in my personal opinion, given the design of the Operating System as a whole, it continually boasts flawed yet accepted "technolgies" such as ActiveX Controls and the Windows Registry. The insecure default configuration of Microsoft Windows XP is, in my personal opinion atrocious and given that I've conducated a large amount of personal Security research myself during the time of using Microsoft's Operating Systems,
I can confidently state that for as long as Windows' design boasts flawed design pillars, that it will be as vulnerable as its predecessors to Malware - Regardless of Microsoft's marketing that Windows Vista will be their most secure build to date. Microsoft fully know the extend to which their Operating System is vulnerable yet refuse to to modify the structure to benefit all, although this in itself is a wider Industry issue that would require unequalled change.

If Microsoft were to modify certain features and resort to an improved and greater dependable platform then I may consider reusing their Operating System but up until this takes effect, and I believe it will come Windows Codename Vienna, my Microsoft Windows XP Professional License will remain untouched.

Regards,

Not the man I once was

[Naralas]

windows claims games will run 10-15% slower... yeah right. Lets say 30-40%

Stupid Microsoft, they lie in all the right places.

[Frak]

You also have to think, it's just a bloated version of XP. Plus to keep you safe you can't do anything without it asking you if it's okay, plus your password to stay safe, but if Common M$ Windoze users don't know what the're downloading, what's the point... stick to Ubuntu, less to worry about.:)

[marcelm]

I'll get it, eventually when buying a laptop. I wouldn't buy it soon after release. Windows XP suits me fine for now. (and of course ubuntu).

[ashleycrue]

Thers no way I'll be getting Vista,I've found open source software gives me more then anything micros*** ever gave me.Linux is a steep hill learning curve but its all I want to use now.

[alcamus]

Before reading about Microsoft's new draconian licensing restrictions, I seriously considered upgrading XP to Vista. Since purchasing XP (when it first debuted), I have changed motherboards at least six or seven times -- the new licensing would leave me completely out of luck. Or at least out of bucks.

No. Instead of being a more benign corporation with the passing of Bill Gates, it seems Microsoft will become even more tyrranical. The best way to bust such a corporation is not to support it. I'll stick with Ubuntu.

[UltraMathMan]

My system works 100% with Linux. I don't see why I've got to install Windows on it.

Sometimes I am tempted by games, most notably Battle for Middle Earth, COD 2, CSS and the like. But I don't want to go through the hassle of re-installing XP...so I won't.

And as for Vista...probably will have to install it in the future, since who knows what windows software we'll have to use at university? But I'm not enthusiastic about it, no sir!

University software and general compatibility is why I still have XP, but as time passes I find myself going into it less and less (XP boot free for over a month now). Most (if not all) Universities also have public computers available for student use. Not as convienent as doing what little I need to do from my room, but for the increasingly occasional need I have for Windows it's better than having to go through the hassle and cost of upgrading to Vista. Not to mention the great variety of linux programs that can replace the MS-only ed software :)

[IYY]

I don't use Windows, so I really don't see any reason why I'd want to get it. If I was using Windows, and had a computer with Vista-ready specs (mine isn't even half way there), I'd get it because it seems more secure and not as ugly as XP.

[darkhatter]

My laptop is vista ready so I will be sure to head to my nearest torrent "store" to get my copy when it leaks out. Its something to do when I wait for kde 4

[blastus]

Windows XP will be the last Microsoft OS I purchase. They can take their Activation, Genuine Advantage, Software Protection Platform BS, Windows DRM and closed file formats/standards, and shove it.

Microsoft has told gamers that games will run 10-15% slower than in XP.

Windows claims games will run 10-15% slower.

Perhaps this is the result of increasing inefficiencies in Windows, DirectX, and Windows video card drivers relevant to game performance. I can understand a small decrease in performance due to some internal rearchitecturing of the software, but a straight 10% to 15% performance drop is stupid.

[PriceChild]

I'll be deleting my windows partition before the end of the month and replacing it with an ext3 part :)

However... i've found a part of microsoft.com that has allowed me to grab a key that will work till june 2007 and download the latest version of Vista... lets take a look first ;)

[Klaidas]

Of course I am getting it.

Flaming starts in 3, 2, 1...? :)

[The Noble]

Probably getting it pre-loaded on my laptop right before I go to college (in 1.5 years), but I'll probably spend $50 on a new HD and install Ubuntu on that*.


*Exactly what I am doing right now. I have ~4 Hd's for 1 Computer (maybe another one I'm fixing too), one of the Hd's id dedicated windows. Rest is Linux/BSD/etc.

EDIT: Gah! The bloody a on my keyboard is not working well.

[Ocxic]

considering that a microsoft rep said that it'll be another 10 years b4 they put out a new stable OS I'm gonna so no.

[leev]

There's no reason for me to buy Vista. I'm not much of a gamer so it's useless to me. Vista looks neat and all, but I don't really need or want it.

[DeemanXu]

Of course I am getting it.

Flaming starts in 3, 2, 1...? :)

lmao ....... why you lil ~$%^& @&**&^^% ^%%$£ you know it's a waste of money ......DAMN YOU :p

[cunawarit]

I'm not too keen on all the DRM stuff, but I will be buying it because there are lots of things in it I am looking forward too. Plus I'm a Windows developer by trade, and I actually like Windows (well, some aspects of it anyway).

I just haven't decided if I will be upgrading my PC, using it without Aero, or getting a new PC. I am tempted by the latter because my XP machine is a relatively new Celeron D 2.53GHz machine with 1 Gb of RAM, sadly it has no AGP or PCI-E slots. Yet this is a machine that would run Debian or Ubuntu rather nicely, it would be nice to have two decent modern machines... If I wait a few months I bet I'll be able to buy a Dell that runs Vista with Aero for peanuts.

[Kernel Sanders]

I've downloaded and used RC1 for the last 2 weeks.

I feel like i've been in prison. :(

Vista is an appauling mess, and not at all enjoyable or usable.

My ethos stands. Windows XP FTW until it becomes useless to me, and then Ubuntu FTW \o/

Microsoft can kiss my......

[pcybill]

No reason to here.

[Bobajot]

No intention of having any other MS product that's why I started playing with linux - first Fedora 5 and after all the raves about Ubuntu I'm now here. There are only two items left to sort out one is the TV card the other some strategy games. If my card won't run then I can afford to buy one that will with all that money I won't need to spend.

[seshomaru samma]

I'm was running RC1 for a while and I think it's a great OS. But I cannot afford it and I don't need it. I run Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse and XP (came with the laptop) and I'm pleased with them. I got a script that changes XP's look into a Vista one so it will look nice. At work my boss might want to upgrade to Vista but I will recommend not to (I would have recommended Linux but we need Photoshop and Illustrator and some IE specific applications...)

[randomnumber]

Vista is not going on my PC, my laptop, my brother's computer, my mother's computer, my sister's laptop.
So that is more than 500 $ that MS will not get from me.

Acutally I think I will take XP off of my desktop.

In the Unix lab at my school, there has been alot of talk about linux with the future release of vista. It is like watching windows people making plans for abandoning windows. The general ideas have been Linux, Mac, or not upgradeing. I predict a slow intial sale of vista. I think that the eye-candy and new pc-sales will eventually save the vista release. Too many people are happy with XP and see no reason to upgrade.

If you want to hurt vista sales, disencourage fully assembled pc sales. They need the bbd (bigger better deal, vista) and when enough have the new OS everyone else will have to upgrade to stay compatible.

I can not wait for OS from MS that we will have to pay a subscription fee for.

[klato]

I was running Windows XP until last week...I don't feel like buying Vista and I'm pretty happy with Ubuntu so far. :)

[Coelocanth]

I won't get Vista. I've got XP dual-booted with Ubuntu, and I rarely boot XP as it stands now. I do play some games, which is a 9rapidly fading0 reason I boot XP at all, but I'm not going to get Vista just for that; I'll do without new games if they require DX 10.

Too many issues with Vista from what I've read so far:

* 15 GB hard drive space for the OS alone.
* It's being reported as a RAM hog.
* You can only re-install once.
* 'Phone home' to re-validate on a periodic basis. Should your validation fail, you lose access to anything but the default browser, and that has a 1 hour time limit.
* Security issues have been brought up with regards to the DRM features.
* What's the retail cost going to be for this thing? I imagine 'exhorbitant' would be a generous description.

Vista? No thanks Bill, I'll stick with Linux.

[Takmadeus]

Is not something I would like to get..... my PC cannot run it and I do not have money to buy a new PC.... so for now I'll just stick to play games in XP and do the other things in Ubuntu.....

besides.... what's the fuss about so much eye candy?.... in linux we have Xgl and nobody makes a big thing about it :(

[kopilo]

Just realised, if Vista constantly requires 700 MB of Ram and I have 512 MB of low latency RAM.... That means Vista will effectively stuff over the effecientcy of the RAM by using virtual RAM... Ewww.

Am I getting Vista, at this point in time? Not without more RAM (and low latency RAM is not cheap).

[the.dark.lord]

I used Windows ME from 2000 to this year (din't want to buy XP, was lookin' for a subsititue)... Enough is enough.

Vista can go to hell

[kopilo]

The primary advantage I found about XP over 2000 is that you don't have to restart XP everytime you change the network stettings or plug in something new into the network.

That's about it.

[jhenager]

For sure wouldn't be forking over that kind of dough for it. I'll use the RCs until they expire, and then Ubuntu will annex those partitions!

[jhenager]

Is not something I would like to get..... my PC cannot run it and I do not have money to buy a new PC.... so for now I'll just stick to play games in XP and do the other things in Ubuntu.....

besides.... what's the fuss about so much eye candy?.... in linux we have Xgl and nobody makes a big thing about it :(
I have shown the spinning cube to a couple of people, and they were amazed as I was when I first saw it.

[kopilo]

hehehe indeed, in fact I have it so the 3ddesktop can run via a keyboard shortcut "windows + x" ;)

[mahy]

Maybe if i can get it for free through MSDNAA program (just like i got my xp), i'll try it out. I'm not gonna use a pirated version and the price of Vista Ultimate is about equal to average salary in my country. Too much for such a crappy product.

[Hoddz-]

I probably won't upgrade to Vista. Running XP at the moment, moving to ubuntu as soon as I get my new PC. Then, I will be Windows free and glad at that!

[etotehpii]

I'm dual booting Ubuntu and Windows XP currently. I hardly ever use my Windows XP partition anymore. I will milk Windows XP for as long as I can. After that I will either stick with linux or mac.

[LookTJ]

Nope I'm not getting it. it sucks bad. I had rc2 but, removed it.

[xpod]

We decided it was about time to get a pc in march but opted to wait for the new "vista" thing to come out before buying new.

We got a cheap old used m.e off a pal(dont say it!!)so we could at least pick the basics up whilst waiting for the shiny new vista to come out.
We also aquired a used XP system and i did spend 3 months banging my head on walls learning all that crap you need to learn before it`s even safe to use the bloody thing without it having some sort of tantrum...

Im happy to say it did`nt take me toooo long to discover the benefits of firefox which in turn also gave me the inclination(along with xp`s grief)to go see what that odd ten percent were using as far as OS`s were concerned..

That was july and im happy to say that im still going to be getting that new "hardware" after the year but i very much doubt im going to be paying for anymore wonky windows now that i had a taste of these here wobbly windows....

Sorry Bill but with 5 kids all starting to use pc`s im going to be needing all the free beer i can get......and mabey a few strong ones too;)

I dont even know 99.999% of the differences but im sure as hell getting 100% of the benifits...:mrgreen:
The kids have the choice of pc`s but they choose to use the Kubunto one we made so windows lives a lonely existance on the one remaing pc we have left it on....what can i say

Of course i "dualboot"......dapper & edgy;)

[Sunnz]

I would get it... only if I get a new computer... but that's not likely to happen since if I am going to get a new computer, it would be a MacPro... so only for some reason I get a PC, then I would get Vista.

[lazyart]

As it goes with it seems every release of Windows, I won't touch it for a least a year. Some people say wait until Vista SP1 comes out.

I installed RC1 and it's real pretty, but don't be fooled-- you need some real hardware to make it hum, and I can't justify buying new hardware to upgrade my Windows installation. When my box dies I might consider it, but not before then.

For me it's still Linux. For the family, XP. When I'm better versed in Ubuntu I may roll it out to everyone. For today, Windows is easier for me to maintain... but I'm learning.

[tubasoldier]

If you are really mentally ill enough to purchase Vista, I would highly reccomend waiting for at least Service Pack 2. Sure no one is even talking about service pack 1 for vista yet, but they will. By the time SP2 comes out then they might have a more stable os. Until then, its just a waste of time money and frustration.

[bdb]

I will only use vista for work. And that upgrade likely will not happen for a long while.

[darkhatter]

you need to add a option for bootlegs

[rfruth]

Not if I can help it

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[deweese]

The truth is that if you buy a pc in the next 6 years, you will probably
buy it preinstalled! (as of Jan. 07)

[Shay Stephens]

The truth is that if you buy a pc in the next 6 years, you will probably
buy it preinstalled! (as of Jan. 07)
That too is starting to change. I have two vendors that will supply a computer without windows. One will preinstall Linux, one is OS free, and I hear Dell is offering some system with Linux preinstalled. 6 years is a long time, and I expect there to be more choice in the years to come.

[drr422]

I will avoid it at all costs, which means either building a desktop computer, or more likely, buying a laptop without an os installed (or ubuntu preinstalled). I believe strongly in the Ubuntu way of things, and since this is the first linux distro that i can honestly recommend people to learn, i do recommend it. The single fact that MS was considering a subscription model for vista told me that they only wanted my money, and so here i am, living without windows, happily ever after...

[kircher]

* 15 GB hard drive space for the OS alone.
* It's being reported as a RAM hog.
* You can only re-install once.
* 'Phone home' to re-validate on a periodic basis. Should your validation fail, you lose access to anything but the default browser, and that has a 1 hour time limit.
* Security issues have been brought up with regards to the DRM features.
* What's the retail cost going to be for this thing? I imagine 'exhorbitant' would be a generous description.

Vista? No thanks Bill, I'll stick with Linux.

Ok, let me get this straight. Only reinstall once? So that means if I purchase Vista (which I won't), but hypothetically if I did, then I would only be able to format the hard drive once and reinstall, and if Vista breaks after that I would have to spend another AU $700 to replace my paid for version of Vista with Aero? I bought a PC pre-installed with XP about 4 years ago, and since then, have formatted the hard drive and reinstalled XP about 15 - 20 times. I have since deleted my Windows partition and exclusively use Ubuntu, but even so, if Vista breaks anywhere near as much as XP, that would mean if I used Vista, and the above is correct I would have to pay $1400/year, or around $4000 over 3 or 4 years. I will never buy Vista, but the fact MS can get away with this **** really drives me crazy, and people will continue to pay for it, or just accept it when their computer breaks and buy a new one. I see some more law suits against MS in the future, and it seems only Europe has the courage to do it. MS are a criminal corporation, and I hope Vista is a failure. Go to Hell Billy G.

[drFUNK]

Ok, let me get this straight. Only reinstall once? So that means if I purchase Vista (which I won't), but hypothetically if I did, then I would only be able to format the hard drive once and reinstall, and if Vista breaks after that I would have to spend another AU $700 to replace my paid for version of Vista with Aero? I bought a PC pre-installed with XP about 4 years ago, and since then, have formatted the hard drive and reinstalled XP about 15 - 20 times. I have since deleted my Windows partition and exclusively use Ubuntu, but even so, if Vista breaks anywhere near as much as XP, that would mean if I used Vista, and the above is correct I would have to pay $1400/year, or around $4000 over 3 or 4 years. I will never buy Vista, but the fact MS can get away with this **** really drives me crazy, and people will continue to pay for it, or just accept it when their computer breaks and buy a new one. I see some more law suits against MS in the future, and it seems only Europe has the courage to do it. MS are a criminal corporation, and I hope Vista is a failure. Go to Hell Billy G.
I think you can reinstall on the same computer more than once, but if your motherboard (or whatever they use to identify you) dies, they'll want you to buy another license.

Weather I'm buying it or not though - I'm 90% sure I'm not. I don't even think it will run very smooth on my one year old laptop. I'm also very disappointed that all of the important feature upgrades were dropped from vista. I mean really, who cares about Aero glass. It'll get old after a month. I really looked forward to WinFS (new file system to replace the aged NTFS), but now we won't see the planned Vista upgrades until the next version of Windows in 2012... if we're lucky. By then, I doubt I'll still have a dependency on Windows though. :-D

[Coelocanth]

Ok, let me get this straight. Only reinstall once? So that means if I purchase Vista (which I won't), but hypothetically if I did, then I would only be able to format the hard drive once and reinstall, and if Vista breaks after that I would have to spend another AU $700 to replace my paid for version of Vista with Aero? I bought a PC pre-installed with XP about 4 years ago, and since then, have formatted the hard drive and reinstalled XP about 15 - 20 times. I have since deleted my Windows partition and exclusively use Ubuntu, but even so, if Vista breaks anywhere near as much as XP, that would mean if I used Vista, and the above is correct I would have to pay $1400/year, or around $4000 over 3 or 4 years. I will never buy Vista, but the fact MS can get away with this **** really drives me crazy, and people will continue to pay for it, or just accept it when their computer breaks and buy a new one. I see some more law suits against MS in the future, and it seems only Europe has the courage to do it. MS are a criminal corporation, and I hope Vista is a failure. Go to Hell Billy G.

Perhaps poorly worded on my part, and I apologize for that. I'm not sure if it's actually only once that you can re-install (I was thinking if you had to re-install after an upgrade or hardware failure or something of that naure). My instinct is to say that won't be a problem, as long as your hardware has not changed. However, if you upgrade to a degree significant enough that the OS thinks it's on a new machine (say, if you change your mobo and hard drive) or move the OS to a different computer, then you're stuck with only one time allowed. And yeah, that sucks.

[tubasoldier]

That too is starting to change. I have two vendors that will supply a computer without windows. One will preinstall Linux, one is OS free, and I hear Dell is offering some system with Linux preinstalled. 6 years is a long time, and I expect there to be more choice in the years to come.

Where did you hear that? I would sure love to read an online article about it. I would also love to share an article with a lot of people I know. I know they will load up Mandriva if you live in France. And one other question, what ever happened to the IBM Lenovo laptop with Suse?

[indigoshift]

A friend of mine lives by the rule that you should never buy an odd-numbered Windows release, and I think he's right: 3.1, 95, ME...well, Vista is technically an odd-numbered release. ;)

I still have my XP machine running, but it's just for playing video games at this point. I've thought about it long and hard, and when the time comes where I won't have a choice about upgrading to Vista (and I'm sure that point will come within the next two years), I really don't think I'll be making the switch.

At that point, I'll either try and figure out how to run my games with Wine, or just save my gaming for the console.

And, frankly, I'm really getting sick of having to shell out bucks every year or so just to upgrade my hardware enough to play some video games. That's a rat race I'm getting tired of running.

[23meg]

Microsoft will not get my money, ever.

[kircher]

OK, well that's not so bad if it only detects hardware change, but it's still a problem. It really should be none of MS's business what hardware you use, and if they're recording what hardware you use and sending it to an MS server, without the user's permission in an effort to stop piracy, then they've gone too far. DRM and treacherous computing are both bad ideas. I don't know why it bothers me, I don't use Windows any more, but it does.

[Shay Stephens]

Where did you hear that? I would sure love to read an online article about it. I would also love to share an article with a lot of people I know. I know they will load up Mandriva if you live in France. And one other question, what ever happened to the IBM Lenovo laptop with Suse?

You can read it straight from dell here:
http://www.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/desktops_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
(edit)I don't know if they changed this or if I remembered it wrong, but looking at the link I see the OS is actually freedos. So you just have to load ubuntu yourself. I thought they loaded a version of linux, not freedos. But it matters not, I would wipe the installed linux and put ubuntu on anyway ;)

Then there is of course http://www.system76.com that will preinstall ubuntu.

I used to live next to a computer store that I still buy stuff online from and they will send me whatever computer they have without an os on it if I just ask for it. I suspect there are many more who will custom fill an order if you ask.

I don't know anything about IBM lenovo stuff, sorry.

[mahy]

I really looked forward to WinFS (new file system to replace the aged NTFS), but now we won't see the planned Vista upgrades until the next version of Windows in 2012... if we're lucky. By then, I doubt I'll still have a dependency on Windows though. :-D

You were actually looking forward to WinFS!? DRM entrenched deeply into your hardware and OS!? Scrapping of winfs is probably the best computer-freedom-related news in a year!

[bdb]

You were actually looking forward to WinFS!? DRM entrenched deeply into your hardware and OS!? Scrapping of winfs is probably the best computer-freedom-related news in a year!

WinFS wasn't about DRM. It was a database driven file system. A very cool concept that they couldn't get working. I too was disappointed this was not included. It had HUGE potential.

This is ultimately why I am moving to linux(or anything else). Vista is just techno crap. It costs up to 399$ and you get... what? windows xp with a semi-3d desktop with transparency.

[Sunnz]

Anyone know what's with the Vista arriving late thing? Why are people making fun of it and stuff... I mean, XP is pretty stable and functional, it is not like we *need* Vista, even for Windows users. And also, think about Apple, they have been releasing a new version of OSX every 12 to 18 months, there has been 4 major release since 2001, so on Windows you are not really paying for an upgrade for 5 years, so what's so bad about Vista being late?

[randomnumber]

In my opinion it is really late in coming out but it also has cut out most all changes from xp that MS said they would have in the new version. Maybe MS should have spent more on development. It seems to me, that vista is just XP with decorations and spy wear. I think they should delay longer, like when they have something significant to upgrade. I understand that vista is about security and less about compatibility. This type of attitude is like unplugging the modem becuase you are afraid of viruses. Businesses should go back to inventory cards and type writers, they are secure.

Sorry for ranting, but go linux and ubuntu.

[Shay Stephens]

In my opinion it is really late in coming out but it also has cut out most all changes from xp that MS said they would have in the new version. Maybe MS should have spent more on development. It seems to me, that vista is just XP with decorations and spy wear. I think they should delay longer, like when they have something significant to upgrade. I understand that vista is about security and less about compatibility. This type of attitude is like unplugging the modem becuase you are afraid of viruses. Businesses should go back to inventory cards and type writers, they are secure.

Sorry for ranting, but go linux and ubuntu.

The fact that it is late and stripped just goes to show they couldn't do what they set out to do. It is probably a combination of legacy issues holding them back and lack of technical know-how. They dumped an obscene amount of money down the vista rat hole, and all they will have to show for it is a bunch of freedom stealing technologies whitewashed with eye candy.

In other words, vista is a failed project that is going to be unloaded on the public anyway. Windows ME will be remembered more fondly than Vista will I believe.

[Sunnz]

Actually, there are LOTS of LITTLE things that are improved in Vista, paint now may save pictures as PNG, IE7 is more standard and handles PNG transparency, direct X 10, (or was it 11?)

But yea, I agree that they should delay it further back - IE7 WMP11 and stuff will be available on XP as SP3 anyway... Vista could be a significant improvement if they take more time to build it, but no, now it is just like an update to word, adding lots of features that not many people uses and it cost like... sigh...

[Somniis]

I'd rather buy a new computer with no OS, rather than Vista pre-installed. It will not only be cheaper, but less of a hassle to install Ubuntu on! :p Windows has seriously out-lived itself.. people probably would not bother with it if it didn't come pre-installed on every friggin' computer. Who knows - that alone could be the reason so many people are computer illiterate!

(it's sad when people don't even know how to do simple things on a Windows system...)

[Sunnz]

I'd rather buy a new computer with no OS, rather than Vista pre-installed. It will not only be cheaper, but less of a hassle to install Ubuntu on!

Where can you buy such computer?

[Shay Stephens]

Where can you buy such computer?
You can get a computer with ubuntu preinstalled from http://www.system76.com and some local computer shops will sell you a computer without an os if you ask. The store I order a lot of stuff from will send me one and cut the price to reflect no os.

You can also get a computer from dell loaded with freedos instead of windows. Just install ubuntu over freedos and your set. I am sure over time more outfits will make this readily available.

[Sunnz]

I don't know what's with system76, but they always put Core Duo with the lowest price tag, then then you click customise it shows you that lowest price is really for a Celeron M!?!?? Misleading advertising anyone?

[randomnumber]

For desktops I will just build my own with parts from new egg. I want to do the same for laptops but have not compared prices etc. But by all means, support distributors that offer alternative to windows.

[Ptero-4]

Actually, there are LOTS of LITTLE things that are improved in Vista, paint now may save pictures as PNG, IE7 is more standard
Actually. XP SP2's paint can save in png format and IE7 is as non-standard as IE5/6 are.

As for me. I WON'T BE GETTING Windoze Waste, NEVER. My next computer purchase is going to be from System76 or LinuxCertified only.

[mahy]

WinFS wasn't about DRM. It was a database driven file system. A very cool concept that they couldn't get working. I too was disappointed this was not included. It had HUGE potential.


Maybe, but because of DRM it got scrapped. They lost some cases and that's good news. That's what i've heard.

[cunawarit]

IE7 is as non-standard as IE5/6 are.

Not true, IE7 is finally pretty compliant.

As for me. I WON'T BE GETTING Windoze Waste, NEVER.

Why the anger and insults? Windows overall is a pretty good OS, I work with 2003, XP, and 2000 regularly and I don't have many complaints. Some things aren't quite as elegant as they are in many Linux distros, but it is stable, powerful, and easy to work with. Overall I am very productive working with Windows.

[Sunnz]

Why the anger and insults? Windows overall is a pretty good OS, I work with 2003, XP, and 2000 regularly and I don't have many complaints. Some things aren't quite as elegant as they are in many Linux distros, but it is stable, powerful, and easy to work with. Overall I am very productive working with Windows.

I agree with this one. Although I hate how Microsoft pre-installs Windows on almost every desktop and laptops... Windows per se, has become a pretty solid OS; I have used XP for like 4 years, the BSOD has only came up a few times and only when I did something extreme. IE has been crashed like hell when I had too many web pages opened... but Firefox solved the problem pretty neatly.

Windows just, isn't as good as *nix, and since I like to do some extreme stuff, I would use Linux, since something considered as extreme on Windows wouldn't be so on Linux. But for normal e-mail, internet, downloading, watching movies; there won't be a difference.

[FineE]

Not true, IE7 is finally pretty compliant.


No IE7 is not compliant, it is better than IE6 but much worse that Mozilla Firefox. The best is Opera

I have checked them all at http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/

[Sunnz]

No IE7 is not compliant, it is better than IE6 but much worse that Mozilla Firefox.I think that's the point that they were trying to make... you see all their MSN/whatever sites relies on IE6, and they had to make IE7 such that those sites still works in IE6 and 7...

Nevertheless, IE7 is making an improvement on web standards over IE6, that is always a good thing.

The best is Opera

I have checked them all at http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/Nope, it was Safari who was the first browser to pass the acid2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2) test.

[jamieplucinski]

Right, I'm sure I'm not the only one here... but I am on the official beta, and have been for ages. Vista never has, and never will be any good for gaming. A great number of games just do not work and Microsoft are unwilling to fix that.

Vista is the new, and much worse, Windows ME. End of story. Seeing the way Vista has taken shape has pushed me onto Linux... anyone who goes out and buys Windows Vista is a serious MSFT junkie with more money than sense.

[Dragonbite]

anyone who goes out and buys Windows Vista is a serious MSFT junkie with more money than sense.Isn't that what Mac users are accused of as well?

[Ocxic]

No, Mac users have money and sense.

I'd buy a mac b4 a windwos pc, espescially now that it runs on x86 hardware.

[darkhatter]

I think 50 dollars for sled is a better investment, then 200 for windows.

[to4i]

NO way buying M$ software, I'll use pirated version if I need, else
Ubuntu :)

[Bragador]

I used to be a gamer and I miss my games :(

So I use Ubuntu on one half of my laptop and the xp side is for stuff that I can't do properly in linux.

I don't want to support Microsoft in the direction they're taking but buying Visto would simply be for games then. I might get an illegal copy for the first time to dual boot. I might stick completely with linux.

I just don't knooooow...

[Shay Stephens]

I used to be a gamer and I miss my games :(

So I use Ubuntu on one half of my laptop and the xp side is for stuff that I can't do properly in linux.

I don't want to support Microsoft in the direction they're taking but buying Visto would simply be for games then. I might get an illegal copy for the first time to dual boot. I might stick completely with linux.

I just don't knooooow...
If you load up an illegal copy of vista, and then go and buy a game that only runs on vista, you prop up the very machine you don't like. Don't get vista or vista only games. No other way to be heard than to withhold support of any kind (even illegal).

A ball will roll forever if there is no resistance. But provide resistance, and it will eventually stop. The more resistance, the faster it happens.

[Smirre]

I do like to play games, and since DX10 is out only for Vista that poses a conundrum, But of course, there's always consoles. :p I've never really been into them, but there's a first for everything. So for now, let's just go with the notion that I'm not buying Vista. I'll be using XP for games for as long as possible. After that, I'll have to decide. Wii or PS3 look OK.

[Dual Cortex]

My vista will come from a 'backup'... or ill just use and OEM version from a client... or if my sister buys a computer next year.

[max.diems]

Of course I'm getting Vista. I'm also going to jump off the Empire State Building.

[Shay Stephens]

Of course I'm getting Vista. I'm also going to jump off the Empire State Building.

Both of those are very bad decisions...I would reconsider ;)

[InfernalPenguin]

I dont care much for Windoze and even less for Vista. I still have my Xp Pro with SP2 that I use sporadically (once or twice a month). and im not looking to upgrade to Vista at all. Too big of requirements. Seems to me like M$ is slowly digging its own grave here. On computers like mine with P4 2.8ghz and 512mb DDR2 i dont think it will run too good.Besides why would I upgrade to Vista, I have UBUNTU :-k

[max.diems]

I think I will get Vista about 8 years after it comes out. M$ CDs are fun to destroy.

[Wafflesomd]

I was going to, I was all hyped up over it, I wanted directx10.

Then I found ubuntu, I've been using it for several months, and its just awsesome.

[Chinkostu]

never. its pointless, why upgrade when i'm perfectly happy with my Ubuntu + XPSP2 pc?

[Steve Pullman]

I'm not getting it. It's not about the money.
I existed on windows 98SE until earlier this year when I got a new PC. I don't like XP at all.
Kubuntu however is great so I have no need to get Vista.
It's funny, I can remember getting excited about windows 95, as alot of people did - it was *big* news - the 32-bit revolution.
Now I just don't care.

[doobit]

I'd much rather put the money into helping some FOSS developer improve an application that will help me work better in Linux.

[Steve Pullman]

Ahhh...But *do you* donate?

[doobit]

Ahhh...But *do you* donate?

Yes, I do. I also encourage others to donate for the things they believe in.

[izalac]

I'm getting Vista. On my business laptop. It will be licenced by my company.

No way it's getting any near my home PC though.

[hoagie]

I'm between I'm not getting it and I don't know. Personally I can't think of a reason to buy Windows Vista since Ubuntu does everything that I want it to do. Plus to get visa I'll have ti upgrade my video card which I can afford for the moment.
Although I might be getting them because, my A-levels might require Vista. ](*,)

[Circus-Killer]

you should change the "yes" option to 7 different version options. :P

honestly, which version do you pick. no no no. i honestly wouldnt touch vista if my life depended on it.

okay, maybe if my company decides to upgrade my work pc from xp to vista, then yes. but on my own personal computers and laptops at home.....not a chance.

not only is there no chance of MS getting my money, i wouldnt even use an illegal copy. that would be more than MS deserves. :P

in other words...NO!!!

[dasunst3r]

I am very tempted to upgrade to it because:
I am a college student, so I can get it for cheap
I would like to do some cross-comparisons between Ubuntu and Vista


I am also not in favor of the DRM, piracy controls, and UAC. In any case, I think I'll have to give it a fair shot before making any more crack shots. However, the moment they brand me a pirate is the moment that I hop back onto XP.

[Sunnz]

Plus to get visa I'll have ti upgrade my video card which I can afford for the moment.
Although I might be getting them because, my A-levels might require Vista. ](*,)

I have been thinking, if you only use Vista for work/school, you could just use the whatever most basic version they have, right?

Since we have Linux, we'll would just do everything we can on Linux and only reboot to Vista when we absolutely have to.

This would also mean we don't need to buy any version of Vista for quite sometime... by then the price might have drop or whatever... so hopefully the basic version will be cheap enough.

[LLRNR]

No way M$'s gonna get MY money !! I've done some reading lately and now I have a firm opinion on Vista... Well here's what happens: I won't be getting Vista not even when I'll find some "leakings".

I want to be the owner of my computer and I want to do with it whatever I please, I don't wanna be limited in any way by M$'s so-called OS... Also, I want my computer to be fast and reliable.

Ubuntu is just the perfect thing for me, I love it, I love this community and I love the cause of Open Source Software. I'm devoted to this kind of freedom and I hope I'll be able someday to do something to help it. I can start doing this simply by not-encouraging M$ and their products.

...Still I'm a little sad, I can't get that damn Macromedia Flash 8 to display my local fonts right through Wine (I need Flash for my job), but when I'll figure this out then I'll surely wipe off that damn NTFS XP partition and make it an EXT3 one !!!! \\:D/

[hoagie]

I have been thinking, if you only use Vista for work/school, you could just use the whatever most basic version they have, right?

Since we have Linux, we'll would just do everything we can on Linux and only reboot to Vista when we absolutely have to.

This would also mean we don't need to buy any version of Vista for quite sometime... by then the price might have drop or whatever... so hopefully the basic version will be cheap enough.

Up till now I've using Ubuntu and kept XP on a small partition just for school purposes. I hope the home basic price drops down after some months. So I will be able to get it for my studies...

[Sunnz]

Up till now I've using Ubuntu and kept XP on a small partition just for school purposes. I hope the home basic price drops down after some months. So I will be able to get it for my studies...
For school works I think you will be fine with XP for a while.

From the schools I have been to, they were all using 2000 until like this year.

So I would not expect them to (down)upgrade to Vista for some years.

The Linux machines... they have been updating it crazy!!! Going from Debian to Kubuntu maybe 6.10 when I go back to school next year!!!

[darkhatter]

after the stupidness their trying to pull with Linux, I'm not even bootlegging a copy.

[xunil76]

not just no, but HELL M*****F*****G NO!

and what's funny is that i was even about 3/4 of the way decided that i was going to buy a legal copy of my WinXP....then i read the crap that MS is trying to pull with this whole Novell/SuSE ordeal.....screw them, and screw Novell, too.

they'll never get a dime of my money for any of their OS'es, for their crappy Zune, for their Xbox, nada...

the only microsoft products that i will ever consider buying are their Naturual Elite keyboards (LOVE these things, i'm addicted to them....i can't use a standard "flat" keyboard anymore), and if i can find them for a decent price, their Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 (NOT that crappy monstrosity that they call their Intellimouse Explorer 4.0, with its useless and kludgy tilt-wheel). and even these products will be replaced (when needed) if i can find an alternative that i like.

[lyceum]

I might have to buy it for school. Everything there is Windows based. I really don't like XP, and Vista really is better. I was surfing the web with it Saturday and a Virus tried to infect my machine. Vista let me know, and I was able to stop it. That was nice. I am sure someone will make a way around that, but at the moment, it was kind of cool. I just hope that Fiesty's networking can compeat. In my opinion, that is the only real edge Vista has right now.

I do have to say one thing about Vista my wife and I both noticed. After using it for an hour, we have both forget it is a MS OS. It looks so much like Linux that you think it is, provided you are using Fire fox and other open source apts, which we do. Maybe that was because it didn't crach? I don't know.

[cjax1]

No way am I buying Windows again. I've already made up my mind about that a while ago. Then tonight I read up on Trusted Computing. Then I got mad. And sick. When I need a new computer I will get one without an OS and install Ubuntu. Right now I dual boot with XP but rarely XP like when my friends need help with their XP machines and I need to boot Windows to see how to set or change something (can't remember everything) and/or they ask for remote assistance. I do try to turn them on to Ubuntu. I'm going to hand out a couple Ubuntu CD's. Anyways after they get back on their feet with XP I just say I'm booting back into Ubuntu and get my work done.

I'm loving Ubuntu more each day.

[Westies]

Definitely getting Vista, though I may wait for the first service pack... if I can hold out that long. Beta 2 worked great for me.

[PhatKnacker]

bahh

[AmyRose]

Are you NUTS?! I have been Windows-free for four and a half years now because I saw Vista coming back when XP was taking over as the dominant OS and version of that OS. People told me Microsoft would never do any of the nasty things Vista does (DRM, copy prevention, spying on the users, etc.) and now these same people are all freaked out that Microsoft actually did it. I told them so...

[karellen]

you poll lacks more choices. like "I already did"