Vista Laughable

[Naralas]

Considering this is a Linux forum I assume my title just guarenteed me that atleast 50 people go *click* right away. And if your reading this im probably right.

Okay, correct me if im wrong but it seems Windows is finally admitting Linux and MacOS have superiority. I mean, they finally added a "sudo" sort of command, (which pathetically only requires you click "Okay" instead of typing a root password, an attempt to make security more user friendly... its not like a hacker or virus programmer will think to make the computer similate a spacebar press which by default will click okay...) but the alternate GUI to The Aero Glass one (called something like Basic Vista) is almost identical to Ubuntus "Human" look, and I see alot of similarities in the cursor too. It's funny.

Vista is my favorite distro. Part because its hilarious, and part because it reminds me of Linux. It is finally the "Microsoft Linux" people joked about for years, accept instead of being a ray of light its more like Linux on crack. They basically added all there mistakes (bloatware, too user friendly, flashy, weak, nothing inovative, and insecure) to something that otherwise is a fake Linux that emulates windows quite well. -_-

I know technically they are very different so no flames please. Just trying to be funny here.

PS:
XP runs on 300-400 megs of ram out of the box.
Vista runs on 600-700 megs of ram out of the box.

Is there really a need for this? I have 2 gigs of ram on my laptop but I still feel like its being used for garbage!!! They haven't added anything but drivers, some simple functionality fixes, a new file system and some ugly apperance changes since Winodws 95. And that ran on what, 2 megs of ram "recommended".

[cunawarit]

Sometimes I feel like I am the resident Windows defender here.

But I kind of agree with this post... Vista is much more *nix than any other Windows ever.

OK, this is the second time I mention PowerShell today, but give PowerShell a try... It is shockingly Unixy! When using it the only clue that it isn't a Unix machine is the Windows file structure.

[FineE]

Vista does have some things that look like Linux including the mouse pointer that is virtually identical to the one in Linux. I ran Vista RC1 in VMware Server on top of Dapper and the mouse pointers are very hard to tell apart. Vista fake Sudo with the darkend screen seem to come right from Ubuntu.

Now the DRM with the "Vista kill switch" is very different from Linux. So we have a sort of Linux lookalike with DRM that can be deactivated by Microsoft and sent into ugly "non genuine" mode.

[3rdalbum]

With Ubuntu, you can create a real root account by going to the GDM setup and "Allow administrator logins", then going to a terminal and typing "sudo passwd myNewPassword". The root account doesn't retain all your settings and documents, so it still encourages you to use your normal user account for everyday things.

With Windows Vista, you can disable User Account Protection by clicking one button in a control panel, effectively converting your limited user account into a WinXP-style administrator one. Guess what 95% of early adopters are going to do?

Gksudo, and probably Kdesu, check to see whether your mouse or keyboard are being monitored or controlled by another program. This stops malware from finding out your password or typing in your password. I've no idea if Microsoft's UAP does these checks, but I have the depressing feeling that it won't.

Admittedly, I believe the Gksudo darkened screen was implemented after Vista's.

[Naralas]

Dark screen when you type a SU password? Well thats not exactly a security thing thats an apperance thing. Anyway, I thought it was always that way?

[diepruis]

It's kinda funny, I actually want Vista to be so bad that people convert to Linux in droves. I fear the day Microsoft makes a good O/S.

[Naralas]

It's kinda funny, I actually want Vista to be so bad that people convert to Linux in droves. I fear the day Microsoft makes a good O/S.

So far, we have seen anything from microsoft to make me even dream that they might do something right.

However Vista is once again, stepping in the right direction, way too late, with many mistakes, and massive bloatware. And so I assume that once again it will work for them. :'(

[Reshin]

It's kinda funny, I actually want Vista to be so bad that people convert to Linux in droves. I fear the day Microsoft makes a good O/S.

Why would Vista being bad make people switch to linux?

[diepruis]

So far, we have seen anything from microsoft to make me even dream that they might do something right.

However Vista is once again, stepping in the right direction, way too late, with many mistakes, and massive bloatware. And so I assume that once again it will work for them. :'(


True. I just hope they keep messing up so we have a hook to sell Linux on :)


Why would Vista being bad make people switch to linux?


Well... if it doesn't work then we can show people an O/S that does work. I'm not saying it will be the mass conversion I'm hoping for, but it can only help. If it's really good though, people might switch over to Windows.

[_simon_]

Well... if it doesn't work then we can show people an O/S that does work. I'm not saying it will be the mass conversion I'm hoping for, but it can only help. If it's really good though, people might switch over to Windows.

Some people will stick with Windows no matter how bad their ride is. For *most* people Windows is all they know and wouldn't even consider another OS.

[diepruis]

Some people will stick with Windows no matter how bad their ride is. For *most* people Windows is all they know and wouldn't even consider another OS.

I know. But if Vista really, really, really sucks it can only make our job easier, right? On the other hand, if it's really good, really secure etc. we don't really have a leg to stand on.

[cunawarit]

I know. But if Vista really, really, really sucks it can only make our job easier, right? On the other hand, if it's really good, really secure etc. we don't really have a leg to stand on.

Vista isn't terrible, I haven't used it enough in real situations to judge it properly, but awful it isn't.

Windows and Linux are different and they are appealing different people/tasks for different reasons.

Right now Linux is strong in the server market and embedded systems. Windows is strong on the home and corporate desktops. But Linux is getting better at desktop side of things all the time and Windows is getting better at the server side of things all the time. Market shares may vary, but Linux will not be going away anytime soon, nor is Windows.

[diepruis]

Right now Linux is strong in the server market and embedded systems. Windows is strong on the home and corporate desktops. But Linux is getting better at desktop side of things all the time and Windows is getting better at the server side of things all the time. Market shares may vary, but Linux will not be going away anytime soon, nor is Windows.

Yes, of course. But one can hope ;)

[Naralas]

We may see poeple clinging to Windows through thick and thin, but don't we do the same to Linux?

I mean there are alot of problems with compatibility, and it IS an issue. But we stay aboard. We dont look for an entirely different option still. Some poeple will notice that. They need to see its the community, its open source, and its the non-capitolist view that we are all embracing, as much as the software.

[cunawarit]

We may see poeple clinging to Windows through thick and thin, but don't we do the same to Linux?

I mean there are alot of problems with compatibility, and it IS an issue. But we stay aboard. We dont look for an entirely different option still. Some poeple will notice that. They need to see its the community, its open source, and its the non-capitolist view that we are all embracing, as much as the software.

That's right, there is a lot of blind fanaticism when it come to people's choice of OS.

This comes from all sides and sometimes it doesn't matter how knowledgeable people are. I know a guy, who shall remain nameless, who has made his millions from being a Windows guru. This guy really knows his stuff, when it comes to Windows 2003 he REALLY rules! Yet he feels the need to say some very harsh things about MySQL, and PHP. Why? I don't know, all I can think of is that he feels some sort of blind loyalty to the products he uses and promotes.

[diepruis]

I object! I'm not a blind fanatic! I know I'm a raving lunatic!

[Naralas]

Congratz Mister Raving Lunatic. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Now are we weening you off Wind0ze or Linux? Because theres a difference between a drug and medication you know...

[diepruis]

Haha! I thought the answer to that was readily apparent. :)

[cunawarit]

However, we all know that the most difficult addiction to beat is Apple addiction. Its not only an OS you need to overcome, is the iPod, Lifestyle, feeling of specialness, etc... ;)

[Naralas]

I might be working at an OSX helpline within the next few months. Is that a bad thing?

I mean Mac is fighting Windows, so they are sortof out ally by association arent they? lol

[halfvolle melk]

Vista may or may not become an excellent product. Personally I really don't care. The license that will come with it however IS laughable.

[FineE]

Vista may or may not become an excellent product. Personally I really don't care. The license that will come with it however IS laughable.

I don't think one can separate the license from the accompaning software, regardless of the type of license or its terms. The license in an integral part of the product.

[Coelocanth]

Vista's a monster. 15 GB of HD space required for the OS alone. And the EULA has a nifty little clause in it: you can reinstall the OS exactly once. That's going to bite a lot of people in the rear when they start upgrading their rigs and Vista suddenly decides it's on a new computer. I've also read a report that "...the darn thing takes 784MB RAM just for the OS if you have 2GB installed, and 1.11GB if you have 4GB installed"

As well, if I understand it correctly, it automatically will re-validate periodically, and if you fail the validation, it will basically shut off everything but your default web browser - and that will have a 1 hour time limit on it. Nice work M$... :rolleyes:

Article Here (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35057) and more Here (http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234).

Yeah, I think I'll just stick with Linux... :mrgreen:

[FineE]

There is also a very interesting feature. The DRM used to enforce HDCP may also be able to be used to hide viruses, rootkits, sypware and other malware.

http://www.pcworld.in/news/index.jsp/artId=4620316

If the black hats get into this they are going to have a field day. In many parts of the world a tool to remouve the virus, rootkit, spyware, or other malware may be illegal. For example it may fall under the anticircumvention provisions of the US DMCA.

[Naralas]

Vista's a monster. 15 GB of HD space required for the OS alone. And the EULA has a nifty little clause in it: you can reinstall the OS exactly once. That's going to bite a lot of people in the rear when they start upgrading their rigs and Vista suddenly decides it's on a new computer. I've also read a report that "...the darn thing takes 784MB RAM just for the OS if you have 2GB installed, and 1.11GB if you have 4GB installed"

As well, if I understand it correctly, it automatically will re-validate periodically, and if you fail the validation, it will basically shut off everything but your default web browser - and that will have a 1 hour time limit on it. Nice work M$... :rolleyes:

Article Here (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35057) and more Here (http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234).

Yeah, I think I'll just stick with Linux... :mrgreen:

I beta'd with 2 gigs of ram and it averaged at only 600 actually.

Hahaha, "only" 600 actually. :rolleyes: