Pornographic Content in UCE

[lysol]

I think you guys really need to be a little more discreet in your package selections. I installed ubuntu-calendar so I could have some extra wallpapers for my son to choose from, and I caught him looking at the wallpaper for march when I got home from work today. March happens to be a nude girl with her bare buttocks present by a ubuntu logo. This is appalling that UCE would support such filth and I think you need to remove this NOW.

[BLTicklemonster]

Great. Now I see why my son was wanting to install UCE and the calendar now. Thanks for posting this out in the open.

[sharperguy]

I cant see that I approve of this myself!

However it does say: "The selection of art photography includes some semi-nude models and artistic portrayals of people from diverse ethnic groups."

I'd like to see what others think of this.

edit: also ubuntu-calender is discontinued as i hear from #ubuntu-offtopic (irc channel)

[matthew]

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with UCE so I'm jumping in as an outsider.

The package is an old one from Ubuntu that caused a lot of controversy two years ago. It is not installed by default in any Ubuntu derivative, including UCE, but it isn't something that any derivative has control over. This package exists in the Ubuntu repositories that are used by far more than just UCE and there's nothing that UCE could have done to prevent you or anyone else from accessing it. Also, it is clearly noted in the package notes that there are semi-nude models involved (I'd hardly call them pornographic, though, but I understand your real point).

That said, I'm surprised you didn't look at the package yourself before allowing your son free reign regardless of where you thought it came from.

On the good side, I can't think of too many other things in the repos that are likely to offend you.

[K.Mandla]

I'm also not a UCE user, but I thought I should mention that the nudes in the artwork have been there a while. I suppose it depends on your definition of art. Personally, I don't find them offensive.

You should also note that the gl screensaver "glsnake" depicts male and female genitalia as variations on the Rubik's snake. I don't remember if that's part of the Gnome package though, or if that's what UCE defaults to. I have xscreensaver installed as part of Xubuntu.

[MKR.]

So...

Content ratings for packages (Y/N/Other)?

[sharperguy]

Great. Now I see why my son was wanting to install UCE and the calendar now. Thanks for posting this out in the open.

lol

[mhancoc7]

I think you guys really need to be a little more discreet in your package selections. I installed ubuntu-calendar so I could have some extra wallpapers for my son to choose from, and I caught him looking at the wallpaper for march when I got home from work today. March happens to be a nude girl with her bare buttocks present by a ubuntu logo. This is appalling that UCE would support such filth and I think you need to remove this NOW.

I apologize for your situation. Below is a reply that sums up the situation best. We have no control over what is in the repos. Like anything in this world pornography can be found. Even the content filtering isn't perfect. We have done our best to do what we could to prevent this. Please take a moment to read the quote below. If you have any questions just let me know.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with UCE so I'm jumping in as an outsider.

The package is an old one from Ubuntu that caused a lot of controversy two years ago. It is not installed by default in any Ubuntu derivative, including UCE, but it isn't something that any derivative has control over. This package exists in the Ubuntu repositories that are used by far more than just UCE and there's nothing that UCE could have done to prevent you or anyone else from accessing it. Also, it is clearly noted in the package notes that there are semi-nude models involved (I'd hardly call them pornographic, though, but I understand your real point).

That said, I'm surprised you didn't look at the package yourself before allowing your son free reign regardless of where you thought it came from.

On the good side, I can't think of too many other things in the repos that are likely to offend you.

[Old Pink]

There was a warning you/your son chose to ignore, please, don't blame ubuntu for this.

"The selection of art photography includes some semi-nude models and artistic portrayals of people from diverse ethnic groups."

After seeing the image myself (link below) I believe this to be art, rather than porn.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=ubuntu+calendar&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images&safe=off
(http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=ubuntu+calendar&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images&safe=off)

[sethmahoney]

Buttocks are filth... Sigh. Not every portrayal of buttocks, or breasts, or penises, or testicles, or anything else for that matter, is pornographic.

[skip910]

I agree. I would hardly consider this porn.

n : creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

I don't think those wallpapers "stimulate sexual desire."

[BLTicklemonster]

The buns up one? Aw come on, I like da babes as much as the next horny toad, but honestly, that's not art, that's cheap shot cooz stuff pozing as art because people can get away with calling it art. A grown up will tell you that in a heart beat, but a 50 year old kid will defend it as art. (nice pic, though, I see my kid gets his taste ... wait a minute, what am I saying!)

[BLTicklemonster]

I agree. I would hardly consider this porn.



I don't think those wallpapers "stimulate sexual desire."

lol dude, check your pulse.

[mhancoc7]

Let's please not let this thread slip into a debate over Art vs Porn. This is not the place to have that discussion. The original poster had a legitimate concern and I have tried to address it as best as I can.
Thanks, Jereme

[calx]

Orginal posters username is hilariously appropriate. If we cant look at nude bums then the terrorists have wun!!!!11!!

The human body aint filth.. although that sort of thinking explains a lot.

[mhancoc7]

Orginal posters username is hilariously appropriate. If we cant look at nude bums then the terrorists have wun!!!!11!!

The human body aint filth.. although that sort of thinking explains a lot.

Again!

"Let's please not let this thread slip into a debate over Art vs Porn. This is not the place to have that discussion. The original poster had a legitimate concern and I have tried to address it as best as I can."
Thanks, Jereme

[BLTicklemonster]

You got it.

[Jengist]

I thought one of the few upsides to having a Christian edition would be that the original version would be exempt from these sorts of demands. Bare buttocks aren't filth but even if they were somehow inappropriate for youngsters, it doesn't mean the rest of the world and its media need to be sanitised to the point that everything is so bland that fundamentalists and born-again Christians will find it acceptable for their children.

I'm not trying to engage in a debate about art v. porn so please don't construe it as that. I'm just a little wary when I see someone trot out the same old "won't somebody think of the children!" nonsense. Christians have their own edition now and should consequently have no input into the content or functioning of the main version when that input is derived from their religious views.

[BLTicklemonster]

Us vs them huh? OP had a valid concern. Can you drop the pretenses and show him some respect?

[dolphinsonar]

I would concur, there is nothing wrong with the human body, and no part of it is filthy when properly washed with warm soapy water. Letting a child use a computer without adult supervision will probably lead to that child finding things you might not approve of, especially if the things you disapprove of are many.

To blame Ubuntu is missing the point really. Couldn't the child just as easily type "sex" into google and look at (filthy) buttocks, or bumble around in the hard drive and find the porn videos that you forgot to erase?

[Mr_Congeniality]

Great. Now I see why my son was wanting to install UCE and the calendar now. Thanks for posting this out in the open.

lol oh my. Someone be in trouble!!

[Jengist]

Us vs them huh? OP had a valid concern. Can you drop the pretenses and show him some respect?
What pretenses are you talking about? The OP didn't have a valid concern. There is nothing filthy in the repositories except, possibly, the fortune cookies (offensive) package although I've not looked at it. And even by the OP's standards, there is nothing that could be construed as filthy in the UCE. He either got it wrong because he let in something that didn't come stock with his modified distro or he wants to control what is in the standard edition.

Respect has to be earned and I'd have more respect for him if he accepted that other people just won't agree on what constitutes filth and that he has no right to regulate what they see and do. Especially when he now has a version of Ubuntu that is tailor-made to conform to his aesthetics and morals.

Having things like a religion specific edition helps to establish Us and Them views among people. But now that we have it, those who chose to accept and work with the original version shouldn't have to accomodate more religious inspired complaints about it. We hear enough whining and calls for censorship in every other aspect of our lives as it is.

[hanzomon4]

Ok while I agree with the others who say its not filthy I understand your concern.

I'll show you how to uninstall and lock it...

1.Press Alt+F2, and cut and paste the following into the box that pops up gksudo synaptic press enter and type in your password.

2.Find the offending program and click on the little white box next to it and select "Complete Removal".

3.Next click on the green check with the words apply underneath it. The app is now uninstalled.

4.Now to lock it. Highlight the app/program by clicking on the name. Once highlighted go up to the menu bar at the top and click Package. Scroll down to Lock Version and click it.

Now the app can no longer be installed, unless you unlock it.

I would suggest that you take away administrative rights from your kids user account to avoid him from reinstalling it.

And relax its not the end of the world, you can use this experience to talk with your kid about sex, girls, and all that other stuff.

[Old Pink]

"Oh my god! The "U" in "Ubuntu" is BREAST SHAPED! REMOVE IT!"

[slimdog360]

Where would I get this calender? not that I want to look at it or anything. Its just so I know where not to get it, that way I can avoid it.

[arkangel]

Oh come on , i ve seem more porm in some edition of the bible...

[BLTicklemonster]

I don't think naked bodies are filthy, but I RESPECT the OPs concern. Respect is something YOU GIVE because you are a civil person. Earning the right to keep that respect goes hand in hand. What do you do, disrespect everyone you see until such time as they "earn" "your" respect?

[enopepsoo]

"Oh my god! The "U" in "Ubuntu" is BREAST SHAPED! REMOVE IT!"

You can't do that, then you would be left with Bnt. Unfortunately the B looks like boobs too, so you would just be left with Nt, and no one here wants that. [-X

[Jengist]

Respect is something YOU GIVE because you are a civil person.
No it's not. Tolerance is something I give because I'm a civil person. I reserve respect for people whose behaviour or achievements I find admirable. Anybody else, so long as they aren't hurting anybody, really only requires tolerance and it's all I ask for myself. What value is it to me to have the respect of some guy on the other side of the planet who I think is deluded and repressed and probably regards me as misguided and lost? It would be much better if we just tolerated each others differences. If he could leave me with my choices even though he regards them as sinful, like filthy desktop wallpapers, I'll not obstruct his wish to have his own Jesus flavoured Linux distro. But he has that and he still wants to control what the rest of us see and do.

When I first heard of the UCE and saw the arguments on these boards about it I was sceptical and discussed it with a friend. She made the point that Christians should be allowed to have it because the kinds of Christians who'd demand it are the kind who will try and distort the mainstream version to suit their views. I thought it was a good point and in the interests of tolerance, remained silent on the issue. If the OP and his ilk continue to try and meddle with the choices I have available, what point was there in not speaking up in the first place?

We've really seen the rise of Christian fundamentalism over the last twenty years, along with Islamic fundamentalism over the last five, and these problems haven't arisen because people don't respect each other. They are because they are intolerant of each other.

[hanzomon4]

Come on folks lets give the OP a break. He/She probably thought that UCE had its own repos and had control over what was in them.

Lets not assume that the OP thinks that we are amoral or whatever over some pics he/she didn't like.

I've read the many threads regarding UCE and I know it's a touch subject that folks have strong feelings about. But lets not eat the UCE users alive whenever they post something we find ridiculous, just try to explain that UCE does not have its own repos and has no control over the main Ubuntu repos

[sethmahoney]

Us vs them huh? OP had a valid concern. Can you drop the pretenses and show him some respect?

I think the reason for the "it aint porn" and the "get over it" posts is to suggest that, in fact, the concern was not valid. As for respect, I don't see healthy debate and the occasional jab as disrespectful.

[KiwiNZ]

Please remember our guidlines and the Ubuntu code of conduct and be polite and respectful to others.

[BLTicklemonster]

One last jab, and I'll let it go. I wonder if anyone ever dogs muslims for wanting a Mo flavored OS?

[Buffalo Soldier]

One last jab, and I'll let it go. I wonder if anyone ever dogs muslims for wanting a Mo flavored OS?
What do you mean?

[BLTicklemonster]

What do you mean?

I really ought not to have even posted that, but Christians catch so much of a hard time, but you don't hear anyone dissing muslims.

[blackened]

...Christians catch so much of a hard time, but you don't hear anyone dissing muslims.

Apparently you don't live in the same country that I do. If you don't consider being under constant suspicion and subject to insane amounts of racism (all gladly condoned by other people of non-middle-eastern descent) to be "dissing", then I'm obviously misunderstanding what you meant. And alot of people from the middle east aren't even Muslim.

[hanzomon4]

Apparently you don't live in the same country that I do. If you don't consider being under constant suspicion and subject to insane amounts of racism (all gladly condoned by other people of non-middle-eastern descent) to be "dissing", then I'm obviously misunderstanding what you meant. And alot of people from the middle east aren't even Muslim.

True on that one, it was real bad right after 9/11

[mhancoc7]

Let's please not let this thread shift to a discussion of religion, culture, or race. Feel free to start that thread in the backyard. The OP made a valid comment. I have tried to address it. The OP has not responded, so either they have not been back or they started the thread to try and create more controversy. Either way the question has been addressed.

If a forum mod sees this could you please consider closing this thread? Also could you please remove the post with the Ubuntu "girl" wallpaper.

Thanks, Jereme

[matthew]

If a forum mod sees this could you please consider closing this thread?
Done.