Gnomesword vs. Bibletime...thoughts??

[Robertjm]

Hi all,

I haven't looked at the linux world's bible software too closely as of yet, having been a user of eSword in the Windows world.

Besides the obvious desktop difference, are there any use differences that would make one prefer either program?

Right now I'm using Gnome, but my prefered desktop environment would be KDE, providing I can solve some nagging issues about sound and mounting USB devices like ipods and external hdd!!.

Both programs have pretty small so you could install both and play around with them, but I was wondering what experience other people have had.

Thoughts?

Robert

[mhancoc7]

I prefer BibleTime. It is a little more polished to me and adding modules is easier. I decided to include GnomeSword as the default in Ubuntu CE since it is gnome. I added BibleTime to the Ubuntu CE Installer so those who would rather have it or just want to try it can easily find and install it.
Jereme

[Isoss]

I prefer bibltime. It's really cool and make it easy to study the bible the way you can compare translations, the easiness of getting the original (hebrew/greek) meaning when pointing the curser on any work in KJV. I used gnome before on many machines and always installed bibletime. And now that I am using icthux which is really cool, I have a completely cool distro :) Never used Ubuntu CE yet but soon I'll do ... but will never give up using bibltime though :)

[Raphink]

Just an annoucement, since this thread is about BibleTime:

BibleTime 1.6 is out, together with Sword 1.5.9!

They will soon be packaged and available in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10), so Ichthux 6.10 will include them :)


God bless


Raphaël

[theorem_hunter]

i was looking for screen shots of bibletime but cant find any, any help?
thanks

[silvagroup]

I like Bibletime better. But if you are used to E-sword, like I was, you will probably want E-sword. I tried the others but after having used E-sword for so long, it was back to E-sword. It runs fine under wine there are other posts on that subject.

[aysiu]

i was looking for screen shots of bibletime but cant find any, any help?
thanks
Here are some (http://images.google.com/images?q=bibletime&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi)

By the way, I prefer Bibletime, too.

Gnome programs are usually simpler and easier to use, but I found GnomeSword an exception to the rule (very confusing!), especially when it came to having parallel views.

[ReaderRat]

providing I can solve some nagging issues about sound
This may help:
Sound Solutions - Comprehensive Guide
http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Comprehensive_Sound_Problems_Solutions_Guide
...depends on what onboard chipset or sound card you use...

[thibeaz]

well for me Bible time and gnomesword are using the same api so it makes no difference for me becuase I used all 3 from sword project, to gnomesword and bible time

[shane2peru]

I guess I may need to look at Bibletime again. I prefer GnomeSword. I have used it because I run Gnome. Bibletime didn't work well for me back in Breezy, so I just stuck to GnomeSword and learned it. Works fine for me.
I definitly prefer e-Sword, but beg to differ about it running fine under wine. I crash it often, and it still runs slow, faster than it does in Windows, however it is still slow compared to GnomeSword. I crash it using the Strongs numbers (have to be turned off :confused:, and no nice background color that I liked in windows -- I know minor things, but still.) I have found The Word - (www.theword.gr) to run very fast under wine, and they are coming out with version 3 that will offer many of the study materials that is lacking now.

That is my $0.02 worth.

Shane

[Isoss]

I guess I may need to look at Bibletime again. I prefer GnomeSword. I have used it because I run Gnome. Bibletime didn't work well for me back in Breezy, so I just stuck to GnomeSword and learned it. Works fine for me.
I definitly prefer e-Sword, but beg to differ about it running fine under wine. I crash it often, and it still runs slow, faster than it does in Windows, however it is still slow compared to GnomeSword. I crash it using the Strongs numbers (have to be turned off :confused:, and no nice background color that I liked in windows -- I know minor things, but still.) I have found The Word - (www.theword.gr) to run very fast under wine, and they are coming out with version 3 that will offer many of the study materials that is lacking now.

That is my $0.02 worth.

Shane

Sorry for deviating from the topic, but since you have e-sword at least working I'd like you to tell me how you got it to work because I tried before with wine using a new version (can't remember what it was cuz that was too long ago) and it only opened the interface of e-sword with no data in it!

I prefer e-sword, although bibletime is cooler but e-sword provides some stuff that bibletime doesn't provide such as the original hebrew and greek writing of words!

So I hope I can get a help on this .. sorry again, but I searched a lot and posted a lot about this to no avail.

[silvagroup]

but beg to differ about it running fine under wine. I crash it often, and it still runs slow, faster than it does in Windows, however it is still slow compared to GnomeSword. I crash it using the Strongs numbers (have to be turned off , and no nice background color that I liked in windows -- I know minor things, but still.)
I'd like you to tell me how you got it to work because I tried before with wine using a new version (can't remember what it was cuz that was too long ago) and it only opened the interface of e-sword with no data in it!
Make sure you have wine 9.25 and wincfg set up with e-sword.exe added to applications and in libraries add riched20 to native, that should take care of your problems. You can also check http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=4786 for more information.
Like I mentioned it works great in wine. Also remember that the libraries have to be extracted they will not install with wine installer. Also drop a line to the developer asking to please consider porting to GNU/Linux or to at least provide the libraries in zip or tar for easier installs. His email is .http://www.e-sword.net/feedback.html

[shane2peru]

I think I need to down grade wine, because yesterday I tried to open e-Sword, and it didn't work.:confused: I know it is installed, and worked before. Is version 9.25 in the repos? Or do I need to get a deb? Thanks.

Shane

[silvagroup]

Not currently being in CE I am not sure what version is in the repos. It should be 9.23 or 9.24 at a minimum. Wine release is at 9.25 nad this distro I am currently running is at 9.24.
What seems to be the problem, what is it doing or not doing.
Have you set your config for xp and the others mentioned in previous posts?
If you want current release from wine go here for repo setup from winehq http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
Just thought of something else, if I remember I got an msls31.dll error when I first installed e-sword. That just means that you would have to place a copy of msls31.dll in the .wine/drive_c/windows/system32 folder and your off and running.

[shane2peru]

Here is the problem I'm having wine e-Sword.exe
fixme:ole:CoRegisterMessageFilter message filter has been registered, but will not be used
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd05924,177214,1,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f9a0), partially implemented.
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd05924,177214,1,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f9a0), partially implemented.
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd08424,774,0,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f984), partially implemented.
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} could be created for context 0x3
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} could be created for context 0x3
shane@shane-laptop:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/e-Sword$

I do have it set to Win XP, and the two riched20, and 32 set to the native, buletin thing. Oh, and I have 0.9.24 installed. ???

I don't know much about these things. I kept my /home when I downgraded from Edgy, is it possible I need to completly remove wine and try again?

Shane

[silvagroup]

OK 9.24 will work.
You do not need riched32 so remove it.
I kept my /home when I downgraded it maybe a really good idea to start with a clean wine you may try in terminal
mv .wine .wine.old . Should give you a clean .wine directory to start with.

[shane2peru]

Ok, thanks for the help! I got rid of riched32. I moved my .wine to .wine.old ran winecfg, and added the riched20. Set it to XP - it was setup as Win 2000, didn't work, tried Win 2000, Win ME, and Win 98, and nothing worked. It seems as though I keep getting the same error:


wine e-Sword.exe
fixme:ole:CoRegisterMessageFilter message filter has been registered, but will not be used
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd05924,177214,1,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f9a0), partially implemented.
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd05924,177214,1,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f9a0), partially implemented.
fixme:ole:OleLoadPictureEx (0xd08424,774,0,{7bf80980-bf32-101a-8bbb-00aa00300cab},x=0,y=0,f=0,0x33f984), partially implemented.
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} could be created for context 0x3
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} not registered
err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {860f9e77-4cf7-11d4-ad41-00b0d014c786} could be created for context 0x3


Shane

[shane2peru]

Ok, got it! aptitude purge wine That wiped out wine, and all the configuration files. Then I ran aptitude clean then aptitude update then aptitude install wine then deleted my .wine directory in my /home then winecfg added the riched20 to the libraries, I left it in win 2000 which it was setup as defualt. Installed e-Sword, and presto worked like a charm. Now I will just copy all my e-Sword Bibles, Notes, Commentaries etc over from my .wine.old directory. Thanks for the help! -- Sorry to chase rabbits with this thread, we can now get back to the topic at hand "Gnomesword vs. Bibletime...thoughts??"

Shane

[silvagroup]

Installed e-Sword, and presto worked like a charm. Great to hear.
back to the topic at hand "Gnomesword vs. Bibletime...thoughts?? Probably should have been a new thread.:-k

[Afkpuz]

I'm actually a student of the Bible at a Christian University and am currently studing Koine Greek. I can't say enough good things about Bible Time. I definitely prefer it over Gnome sword for this reason: side by side comparison. In gnomesowrd, you cannot (at least I haven't figured out how) view 2 versions at the same time. All you can do is select "Parallel" view. This view only shows that verse in all the versions you've asked for. It doesn't show you the whole chapter side by side. In Bible time, all you do is click on the version in your bookshelf manager and it opens up right next to the already open version. Also, you can easily link versions together in Bibletime. I use that to read KJV and the Greek side by side. Also, Bibletime's search feature seems to be more powerful in general.

[Robertjm]

Honestly, as the original thread starter it was great to see all those posts on getting e-sword working under Linux! I'd much prefer to stick with one program than play hopscotch between my Windows Mobile device and Linux Dekstop and it adds to the original discussion of how people study The Word.

Robert

Great to hear.
Probably should have been a new thread.:-k

[aonegodman]

I'm new to Linux and have just installed Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10.

Been adding to it and trying out various programs and just learning the system. So far I like what I see.

I'm a user of Online Bible for years, but I haven't been able to get Wine to run to good in my Ubuntu yet so decide to look for other options and found GnomeSword.

Dl's the x386.deb and install with Package Manager.

It appears in my pulldown menu under Accessories as "GnomeSword2 Bible Guide".

I click on it, loading timer thingy appears on desktop, but nothing happens. What's up? Need another package or lib. Any ideas or help appreciated. Thanks!

[shane2peru]

Wow you dug up an old thread! :) Here is the easiest way to install GnomeSword for a newbie. You can choose between the command line and the graphical way, you don't need to do both. Even though you installed it with a deb, this way is the best way to install software in Linux, you don't need to go searching the web for programs, look in Synaptic, it will manage all your packages for you and help you get them properly installed.

Command Line way
I prefer command line and if you like learning then do this:
Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal and type:
sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install gnomesword

Graphical way
System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
Click on the search icon at the top, and type, GnomeSword it should show you one package called GnomeSword, just right click no it and select install package. Now click on apply and let it install. When it is done you can close synaptic, and you are set to go.

After it is installed you will find it under Applications -> Accessories -> GnomeSword2 Enjoy!

Shane