Trying to justify Cedega.

[Roasted]

I don't play many games. The only games I play are GTA San Andreas, Half Life, Counterstrike, and Ultima Online (free shard).

So far I'm using Wine, however Wine is giving me issues with GTA San Andreas. I'm trying to justify Cedega. How do you folks like it? Has anybody set up Cedega with GTA San Andreas? I know 5 bucks a month isn't a lot but to me that's the same as having to pay 2 dollars to withdraw your OWN MONEY out of an ATM machine... just kinda makes me grind my teeth and hate banks even more, ya know?

If someone could help me figure out what's keeping Wine from running GTA SA, I'd also be greatly appreciated.

[croak77]

Well, it's $5 a month but you only have to pay for 3 months. So it's only $15. I suggest trying the time demo. That way you can see what works best for you.

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-ENTERTAINMENT/Simulation/Cedega-9843.shtml

[Roasted]

Those of you that have used Cedega and Wine, which was easier to configure and more successful? Cedega? I figured with Cedega costing a few bucks that it would yield better results, but sometimes that's not the case...

[croak77]

Like I said, try the demo, it's free. Its only good fo 14 days though. I have used Cedega but not for any of the games you listed. The biggest differece are Cedega is GUI driven. Just try the free demo. That way you can see which works best on your hardware.

[lzydba]

I use both. Don't run to Cedega thinking that it is some sort of panacea because it definately is not. It is just another version of wine, with an emphasis on D3D support. Wine is catching up very quickly on D3D support, so you will find that some games play better in wine, and some play better in cedega. The support for Cedega is flat out horrible. The only reason I keep paying for Cedega is because of two of my games that I have not been able to get playing in wine yet. The moment I can, I will dump them.

Unlike many others, I have no issues at all paying for software in Linux, but if that software is going to be very nearly unsupported then no way.

[handy]

Transgaming make out like they offer great support for over 300 games...

They don't!

They offer NO support, until you tell them that you have cancelled your subscription, due to their lack of support. Then they email you.

I only use Cedega, because Guild Wars is still not playable on Wine. As soon as GW is playable on Wine, I will NEVER, look at Cedega again.

A once off payment would have won more friends for Transgaming. Paying monthly, as if it is your phone, electricity, water or rent bill is too much, in my opinion.

Yes, I still use Cedega... Transgaming are saints, compared to the manufacturers of that other OS that I would have to use if I wanted to play GW without Cedega! :rolleyes:

A rock & a hard place... :(

[HAARP]

Justify like in, justify using software created by thieves?

It's true, wine is catching up quickly. Cedega may work with more games, but sucks at anything else. Most setup programs I tried don't even work with Cedega, whereas the game itself does

[handy]

Justify like in, justify using software created by thieves?

Justify? Oh that Justify... :KS

[Donshyoku]

I used Cedega before it was Cedega probably about two years ago. It was no good then.

Today, I payed to download the new version (couldn't find the timedemo, but didn't look hard either... heh, heh) and I am really enjoying it. I installed a handful of games (Painkiller, Men of Valor, Call of Cthulhu, and Freedom Fighters) and for the most part, they work great. Men of Valor had choppy sound, but I uninstalled it before realizing that I was on an unsupported OSS system instead of ALSA. Everything else has worked fine as far as I can see.

You do lose some performance. In Painkiller from Windows to Cedega, I lost about 5-10FPS. But it is managable, especially for being able to kick Windows and return to a Linux desktop after exiting a game.

As far as Wine goes, I don't have any comments. Haven't used it, but I like the utter simplicity of Cedega and feel good about renewing my subscription.

[elizleisndahizle]

Cedega is teh suxors... I have like a month or so left in my subscription and I have already decided that its better to dual boot. CS:S runs like 20 less frames per second when it is on low compaired to when its in medium in windows. I am in no way a fan of windows but cedega isn't really an option unless you got a fx62 2 gigs of ram and a geforce 7950gx2.

[Lord Illidan]

If everyone is complaining about performance losses, and I see these in Wine too...then why do these state that games run as fast as in Windows or better?

In Cedega's case, it is fraud...

[Vampirlinux]

Please support wine, its the model that we need. Dont think paying cuotes for a poorly cedega's support. Make a donation to wine by pay pal if you want a better and speedly development.

[Lord Illidan]

Quite... As a commercial wine based product, I prefer anything that comes out of Crossover. They do submit their patches...and they are now moving into games as well..

[Inhumane]

While I use Wine and play Windows-only games, I don't support this whole emulation thing, it just shuts people up about not having enough Linux products, so most people still go to the store, buy their favorite titles and emulate them on Linux with poor performance, instead of getting companies to make straight up ports. Wine should not be the answer

[SuperSam]

About 6, maybe more months ago, I used cedega for CS:Source, but I only had a moderately fast pc:

AMD Athlon XP 3200+
512MB Ram
FX5200 Nvidia

When I played CS Source on my Winblows pc, I had very low fps, around 20~. When I played in Linux (SuSE 9.3) with Cedega, however, I had higher fps, 40~. On the same maps on the same settings... I'm guessing it has something to do with winblow's overkilled 32bit screen bitrate, and that linux is true @ 24bit.

[slimdog360]

you can always try cvscedga. A good howto with screenshots on installing here (http://patrick295767.sitesled.com/cvscedega/screenshots_cvscedega.html).

[handy]

Cedega is teh suxors... I have like aDon't month or so left in my subscription and I have already decided that its better to dual boot. CS:S runs like 20 less frames per second when it is on low compaired to when its in medium in windows. I am in no way a fan of windows but cedega isn't really an option unless you got a fx62 2 gigs of ram and a geforce 7950gx2.

It depends on the actual game as to how well it will work in Cedega or Wine. Some are fast some are too slow, & everything in between. Hardware plays a part too, but not quite to the spec's that you quoted! :rolleyes:

[handy]

If everyone is complaining about performance losses, and I see these in Wine too...then why do these state that games run as fast as in Windows or better?

In Cedega's case, it is fraud...

It is not fraud from my experience with Guild Wars. Cedega runs that game brilliantly.

[handy]

While I use Wine and play Windows-only games, I don't support this whole emulation thing, it just shuts people up about not having enough Linux products, so most people still go to the store, buy their favorite titles and emulate them on Linux with poor performance, instead of getting companies to make straight up ports. Wine should not be the answer

We are allways in transition, nothing stays the same. Wine, Cedega & Crossover are just playing their part. They will all disapear, just like windoze & linux will...

Everything becomes history...

[Artificial Intelligence]

philosophical argument Handy, hehehe ;)


On topic:
Cedega works very well for the game I have and I've been very pleased with it.
Sure there some win games I'd to wave goodbye at, but that's just a sacrifice I'm willingly paid.

[Mickeysofine1972]

My 2 x pennies

Is this... after a few weeks of using ubuntu you will hate using windows and you will stop feeling like you need to use it, no mater what.

After a few more weeks you will wonder why you paid for games anyway.

Try some of the free games, there just as good, although theres not thrill of stealing if you used to do ripped off games, (seriously, there is a buzz there - I know I did it!), but you will LIKE to play games instead.

trust me... I know what Im talking about.

Dr Mike

[graigsmith]

i actually had better luck with wow in wine than i did with cedega.

i got wow working with wine. with cedega, it wouldn't even run.

[Mickeysofine1972]

I agree with handy

The support really sux big style!

You have to wonder what those guys are charging for? they certainly dont deliver the product they advertise.

I know it only works out at £3 for me but that is my £3 and I give it to them in good faith. i expect to get what I'm promised, not get left to figure stuff out on my own!.

BTW - just a note on anarchy online ... replace all .bik files in the folder that holds media and it wont crash at all. Not that is anything to do with this thread :-S

Mike

[Mickeysofine1972]

Update!

If you download an install the new wine package from winehq repos it seems to be much better thatn before!

I checked and it even has .DLLs in the system32 directory now!

This means you can run quite a bit more of the install shield stuff and I found that I could run games that previously would only work under cedega e.g. Hidden & and Dangerous Deluxe.

Why not install it and give it a try?

Mike

[haxer]

Cedega SUX at my experience now i got it for about 2.6 months before i dont have to pay :) [-X

[Josh1]

Yeah, using cedega I couldn't get many games running, and wine isnt great for games. Thats why i still dual boot windows and linux.
Windows: Games, Web Design, etc
Linux: Day to day use, everything else. :D

[dmn_clown]

There are many reasons to avoid Transgaming's Cedega. Over the past year and a half there has been almost no improvement as to what games will install and play and what games will not, unlike WineHQ.

Their advertising is entirely misleading, for example: TES IV: Oblivion is claimed as supported and running, however you need the third party patch Oldblivion to play the game, that is most definitely not "running" in my book and amounts to a very nasty hack.

Their support for older games is horrid, for example: Icewind Dale still hangs after the character creation screen when WineHQ installs the game and runs it perfectly without a No-CD crack.

Their support team is not timely in answering their emails, it took them two weeks to fully answer a simple question as to their payment options.

They have taken the money from GNU/Linux users and instead of using that money to improve their product in a significant manner have instead opted on using it to "port" games to the new Mac CPU (e.g. sell their libs to game companies to allow the running on Mac not a true port by any means).

They have threatened to change their license for the freely available CVS version in the past http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/05/msg02463.html to prevent distributions from packaging the program.

I have nothing against proprietary software, but with all of these points against them and with the games that I have that didn't run in Cedega when I initially bought their license still not running, it is a waste of money to continually support that company.

[prana]

Hmmm...I was seriously thinking of spending money on Cedega. Thanks to you guys, I will try Wine again 'cause the last time I tried (a few years back) it was horrible for games.

[Mickeysofine1972]

Actually Im really impressed with current developments with wine!

I would say that wine has become a serious competitor to cedega and that anyone hoping to run games should seriously try wine from winehq.com before even entertaining the transgaming rubish.

Mike

[Joh_]

It is not fraud from my experience with Guild Wars. Cedega runs that game brilliantly.

I take it you don't have an ATI card, cause ever since the Sorrow's Furnace patch (a year ago), it's been practically unplayable with ATI cards, even though it's "officially supported"...

[handy]

I take it you don't have an ATI card, cause ever since the Sorrow's Furnace patch (a year ago), it's been practically unplayable with ATI cards, even though it's "officially supported"...

No ATI card, I'm using nVidia 6800gt.

[Edit:] Transgaming stated in their last release I believe, that they have made some headway on the ATI bug!?

[tigerpants]

I've recently installed Cedega just to try it out, and my personal opinion of it is that its next to useless. Not one of the games that is slated to run ok has worked so far, and I've spent hours upon hours fiddling about with settings, editting configs, downloading and installing dependencies, drivers blah blah blah. I simply do not have the time to do this, I have too many RL commitments.

Cedega is great if you have the time and the patience to invest in it to get a game working. I do think Cedega is overhyped by Transgaming. I have seen BF2 and HL2 running on a colleagues machine in Cedega, and while playable, its not that great. That's not Cedega's fault, or linux's in general, it does the best it can with the lack of support if gets from games manufacturers and from hardware vendors. I think the solution for linux gaming lies in trying to change the mindset of hardware vendors and games manufacturers to produce native linux titles, rather than trying to emulate a windows one.

My personal recommendation is if you are a PC games nut, and want to play PC games, install windows on a spare HDD. Its fair less painless. Or get a console.

Those games that do run natively on linux have been great. The potential is there, it just needs to be realised.

Needless to say, I will not be renewing my Cedega sub.

[_simon_]

I cancelled my subscription the other day. None of the games I have are officially supported, even popular ones like F.E.A.R and Black & White 2, I jumped through huge hoops to get DOW and DOW Winter Assault to work, they both worked fine for a while and then for some reason I couldn't fathom they would only open in a window and then they stopped running altogether no matter what settings I changed.

So I've called it a day and cancelled my subscription and uninstalled the software. I'll stick to native Linux games, much less of a headache!

[Artificial Intelligence]

Aye, buy/use native linux games! (todays lesson :mrgreen: )
The more the sell linux games the bigger is the chance that more games are made for linux.

[SpEcIeS]

I have run past CVS versions of Cedega and found very little difference to the orginal, wine. All of these projects that are conversed about are excellent projects and with time they will become better.

Hats off to projects like Cedega, wine, and Crossover. 8) They are the other puzzle pieces which make *nixes so great. :) ;)

[Warbo]

Cedega offers two things over WINE. First it offers Direct3D support, and second it offers cracks for copy protection. The Direct3D stuff is available in Cedega CVS and is making it's way into WINE, but Transgaming must pay for a license to legally bypass the copy protection present on most games, therefore they have to transfer that cost on and could not submit their developments to WINE (would YOU agree to pay for each of your users to crack their games, then release the software completely freely for anyone to download and copy anonymously? Thought not)

With that said, it's better than nothing, although I only buy the occasional game and make sure it runs native (well, I have only ever bought two pieces of software for Linux)

[Caseyjp]

Four pages of Cedega hate or ambiguious 'use wine its FREE'. I'll counterpoint.

First off the "play free linux games" doesn't cut it. That's a cop out. The game industry is a windows industry, whether we 'nixers' like it or not. The vast overwhelming majority of gamers use XP.

Cedega or wine are all about choice. Some choose the 'wine' route as its free, and that's fine. I choose Cedega as they are targeting the GAMERS. Wanna run your spreadsheet? Wine.
Wanna run a game, well if wine works thats great, but if it doesn't, don't look for a lotta love in the winehq or dev sections, because they tend NOT to pay that much attention.

I'm an EVE-ONLINE CEO. I have a decent sized corporation, and guess what runs EVE-ONLINE beautifully? wine? not a chance.

Cedega was even given the code drop on the recent updates to EVE by their developers (CCP) to ENSURE that we linux players...could play. Transgaming had the update out BEFORE the game had its new patch out.

They update the members section, they DO respond to support questions, and the progress that I've seen in the last six months alone has be MORE THAN WORTH IT. I have posted questions and bug reports, and EVERY ONE of the posts have been answered ina timely manner by the Transgaming developers.

Every distro and hardware configuration out there is different. An "not an emulator" emulation is going to burp occasionally, and for moving targets (MMO's) this can be an even tougher target to hit. Cedega works...for me.

The subscription fee? Well, to me, its worth every penny as I do NOT have to rely on an XP partition to participate in my MMO of choice.

[handy]

Hate is a very strong word... Most of us don't even know what it means, thankfully.

Transgaming did NOT respond to the multiple emails I sent them, detailing a problem which required their input. These email were sent over approx' a 3 week period. I also tried posting on their lousy forum, which is virtually dead. (The cedega forum has an unpleasant attitude in general as well unfortunately.)

I received no response until I notified Transgaming that I was cancelling my subscription, detailing the reasons why!

The stock response that I received, showed that my email had been barely read, the instructions I received did not even address the problem! ](*,)

You Sir, I believe get far better service than the average Cedega subscriber due to your position:-

"I'm an EVE-ONLINE CEO. I have a decent sized corporation"

It is obviously good business sense for Transgaming to look after someone in your position.

Among the dissapointments that a fair percentage of Cedega users feel the need to vent about is the fact that Transgaming misrepresent their product.

We are so tired of marketing spin...