Breezy: What's coming?

[deception]

Just wondering what the dev team could add to Breezy to make the experience even better, I cant really think of anything. What improvements do others feel are need/will probably be in the next release? =P~ :twisted:

[ubuntu_demon]

Just wondering what the dev team could add to Breezy to make the experience even better, I cant really think of anything. What improvements do others feel are need/will probably be in the next release? =P~ :twisted:
http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals

I like these goals especially beagle :)

[deception]

I missed that page :-# Anyway, we can still discuss it :wink:

[sysop]

http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals

I like these goals especially beagle :)

Wow! I was not aware of Beagle until I read this post. Now that would be a nice as well as very helpful addition to Breezy! :grin:

I must admit I'm extremely happy with Hoary. What a beautiful OS! Kudos to the development team! \\:D/

[allans]

Does anyone know roughly when we can expect the breezy development repos to open? I know hoary has only been out a day but I'm missing my updates lol

Allan

[paul cooke]

http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals

I like these goals especially beagle :)

Beagle + Dashboard... hmmm

note to self... do pron browsing etc. on a totally separate machine... wouldn't want things like that popping up while doing normal day to day tasks etc. ;)

[Lustiger Lurch]

- working Menu Editor

[jdodson]

yeah menu editor will be in gnome 2.12 so that will be included.

openoffice 2.0 will be out then so it will be included.

i think they will include more mono, beagle support.

[allans]

More mono hopefully meaning evince and f-spot replacing xpdf and gthumb, that'd be great.

[rosslaird]

I've seen various development comments about trying to speed gnome up a bit generally. I alsways feel like in moving in slow motion in gnome after I've been working in xfce for a while...

[jnoreiko]

OpenOffice 2.0?

[Lovechild]

More mono hopefully meaning evince and f-spot replacing xpdf and gthumb, that'd be great.

you do know that evince isn't a mono based program right?

Anyways, I'll scream if there's no usplash or similar solution, I'm so sick of looking at bootmasssages..

I also hope to see some of the same features that Fedora sports currently, in terms of security, exec-shield, SELinux, etc.

[ankitmalik]

hmmm....

i think totem-xine should replace totem-gstreamer bcoz it has been a bit buggy for many people known to me...all of them had to install totem-xine and remove the gstreamer one...

so i think gstreamer one should be removed ...or are there any special reasons for its inclusion?

also I would like a Control Centre kinda thing like YAST for SUSE and MCC for Mandrake..sorry Mandriva ;-)

[Goshawk]

Lovechild:
really and usplash-like program is ready, we are just waiting for ubuntu consensius to relase it.

[panickedthumb]

hmmm....

i think totem-xine should replace totem-gstreamer bcoz it has been a bit buggy for many people known to me...all of them had to install totem-xine and remove the gstreamer one...

so i think gstreamer one should be removed ...or are there any special reasons for its inclusion?

also I would like a Control Centre kinda thing like YAST for SUSE and MCC for Mandrake..sorry Mandriva ;-)
yes there is. gstreamer is basically the official player of the gnome project, and Ubuntu wanted to keep it as close as possible to the default apps.

[idn]

Looking on the Wiki for Breezy it looks like USplash is _deferred_! Why is this, seems to me the majority of the Ubuntu community, n00bies and experienced users alike really want to see this implemented in the next Ubuntu release.

Some people say its not important, but I believe improving the HCI in Linux is the only way to make it the mainstream OS out there.

[jdodson]

Looking on the Wiki for Breezy it looks like USplash is _deferred_! Why is this, seems to me the majority of the Ubuntu community, n00bies and experienced users alike really want to see this implemented in the next Ubuntu release.

Some people say its not important, but I believe improving the HCI in Linux is the only way to make it the mainstream OS out there.

its not on hold, they are discussing options at the next conference. check the development email list, they discussed it today.

[idn]

Good to hear, what about a dvd ripper being included in the offial repositories, like thoggen, OGMrip or something like that. I know there are some issues with both, thoggen is slow and OGMrip is unreliable with newer python libs?! but it would be cool to have some kind of DVD 'backup' facility.

I have read quite a few posts on the forums regarding this issue.

[jdodson]

Good to hear, what about a dvd ripper being included in the offial repositories, like thoggen, OGMrip or something like that. I know there are some issues with both, thoggen is slow and OGMrip is unreliable with newer python libs?! but it would be cool to have some kind of DVD 'backup' facility.

I have read quite a few posts on the forums regarding this issue.

dvd ripping requires non-free libraries. i have heard of no plans to offer universe support for dvd playback or ripping. to convert the dvd to ogg is to read the stream, for that you need non-free libraries.

[totalshredder]

The main and pretty much only thing I want in breezy, is like mark was talking about in the slashdot interview; being able to steal files off a windows installation and use them for ubuntu. If it were able to automatically resize the partition (smartly), take all the importiant files and use them in ubuntu; without worries about destroying something, I would give everybody I know a copy.

Luke

[jobezone]

hmmm....

i think totem-xine should replace totem-gstreamer bcoz it has been a bit buggy for many people known to me...all of them had to install totem-xine and remove the gstreamer one...

so i think gstreamer one should be removed ...or are there any special reasons for its inclusion?

also I would like a Control Centre kinda thing like YAST for SUSE and MCC for Mandrake..sorry Mandriva ;-)
And KDE is thinking in switching to gstreamer for KDE4 (deprecating arts).

[poofyhairguy]

I hope for better wireless capabilities out of the box, and I hope that that eyecandy they have on the list doesn't get deferred.

[idn]

Yeah, better NTFS support would be great, although I wouldnt want it to use for day to day work, just as a place to share some files between winXP and Ubuntu. NTFS has no journaling so isnt as good as ext3. I currently have a FAT32 partition to share music and movies.

Ubuntu does support DVD playback in the form of VLC, i dont see the big deal in making a dvd ripper, a cd one is included with hoary.

[escuchamezz]

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[SolidAndShade]

I think one of the most important things that will make Linux palatable to the masses is a package management system that's simpler than synaptic but still fairly powerful. The default add/remove programs utility is too weak to be of any use, and while I'm an old command line veteran who has no problems with synaptic or dselect, I think a lot of new users could be scared away by synaptic. If there was a utility that displayed a list of different types of applications (not packages, but actual applications) with screenshots and big bright buttons you could press to install and update them, Ubuntu would become a lot more approachable for Linux newbies. Hell, it would be easier than Windows or Mac OS, because users would have instant access to a big, easily readable list of programs they can download and install. Maybe an application search feature could be incorporated into Beagle to make it even easier.
As things are, installing, say, a game requires that you install the base package, but then you get prompted to install the supplementary data packages and maybe some libraries, and this is where things could get confusing for newbies. So instead of having gimp-base and gimp-printing and gimp-other stuff, there would just be a Gimp application you could install, and when you click on the Gimp application you see checkboxes for printing, RAW processing and other things you can add, and the supplementary packages would be added or removed based on these options. A lot easier to understand overall.
At the least, I think synaptic should be updated so there's a very obvious search box where you can type in the type of application you're looking for and have it search the description field for each package. Or maybe there could be a synaptic wizard that pops up when you start the program and helps you find and install what you're looking for.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

SolidAndShade

[FOF]

I would like to see a shared doke directory for Ubuntu/Windows filesto help make the switch.
Would it be possible to include an Windows hardware emulatorto we can use our win printers and scanners.
As for Hoary......Tis great

[FOF]

Sorry for the errors
Home directory to share files

[totalshredder]

I think one of the most important things that will make Linux palatable to the masses is a package management system that's simpler than synaptic but still fairly powerful. The default add/remove programs utility is too weak to be of any use, and while I'm an old command line veteran who has no problems with synaptic or dselect, I think a lot of new users could be scared away by synaptic. If there was a utility that displayed a list of different types of applications (not packages, but actual applications) with screenshots and big bright buttons you could press to install and update them, Ubuntu would become a lot more approachable for Linux newbies. Hell, it would be easier than Windows or Mac OS, because users would have instant access to a big, easily readable list of programs they can download and install. Maybe an application search feature could be incorporated into Beagle to make it even easier.
As things are, installing, say, a game requires that you install the base package, but then you get prompted to install the supplementary data packages and maybe some libraries, and this is where things could get confusing for newbies. So instead of having gimp-base and gimp-printing and gimp-other stuff, there would just be a Gimp application you could install, and when you click on the Gimp application you see checkboxes for printing, RAW processing and other things you can add, and the supplementary packages would be added or removed based on these options. A lot easier to understand overall.
At the least, I think synaptic should be updated so there's a very obvious search box where you can type in the type of application you're looking for and have it search the description field for each package. Or maybe there could be a synaptic wizard that pops up when you start the program and helps you find and install what you're looking for.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

SolidAndShade

This man is on to something! The ubuntu devs have already made a apt-get front-end(update manager), so why not expand it to what this fella is saying? This would be downright awesome in a free linux distro, and I hope it happens!

Luke

[CowPie]

This man is on to something! The ubuntu devs have already made a apt-get front-end(update manager), so why not expand it to what this fella is saying? This would be downright awesome in a free linux distro, and I hope it happens!

Luke

YEs I agree with you 2. The update-manager interface paradigm is fit to be extended this way.

So who will make the bug to bugs.ubuntulinux.org ? :)

[poofyhairguy]

why wasn't beagle included in this release? i saw some other distribution have included it (can't remember which)


You want it? its easy to get.

Here:

http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall

[SolidAndShade]

Thanks totalshredder. If there was a bright and simple package manager that showed users pretty screenshots for hundreds of applications and had written descriptions for all of them, a lot of users might be driven to abandon Windows and Mac OS. Those OSes don't give you big lists of free software you can just click a button to install. I think the two steps needed to promote Linux at this point are to make it easy to install and manage programs, and to make it as easy as possible to get by without the command line. I actually like the command line, but it freaks out typical users.
Along with an easy package manager, I think it needs to be possible to find every installed app through the menus on the Gnome taskbar. As things stand, many applications don't add buttons to the main menus when installed, and using them thus necessitates typing commands. Of course, adding buttons in the main menus for every single program would make them too big to easily use, but a basic menu + extension menu like Win XP has could be helpful in that case. Or there could be a searchable list of applications divided into games, editors, etc., similar to synaptic's list of packages but listing installed software instead. When you found the application you were looking for, you could click on it to run it or drag it into one of the main menus if you planned to use it often.
Finally, I'd like to see a control panel like older versions of Gnome had, but extended to encompass system settings as well as Gnome settings. The old Gnome control panel was really handy, and the universal system control panel was one thing Windows did right.

SolidAndShade

[ankitmalik]

Thanks totalshredder. If there was a bright and simple package manager that showed users pretty screenshots for hundreds of applications and had written descriptions for all of them, a lot of users might be driven to abandon Windows and Mac OS. Those OSes don't give you big lists of free software you can just click a button to install. I think the two steps needed to promote Linux at this point are to make it easy to install and manage programs, and to make it as easy as possible to get by without the command line. I actually like the command line, but it freaks out typical users.
Along with an easy package manager, I think it needs to be possible to find every installed app through the menus on the Gnome taskbar. As things stand, many applications don't add buttons to the main menus when installed, and using them thus necessitates typing commands. Of course, adding buttons in the main menus for every single program would make them too big to easily use, but a basic menu + extension menu like Win XP has could be helpful in that case. Or there could be a searchable list of applications divided into games, editors, etc., similar to synaptic's list of packages but listing installed software instead. When you found the application you were looking for, you could click on it to run it or drag it into one of the main menus if you planned to use it often.
Finally, I'd like to see a control panel like older versions of Gnome had, but extended to encompass system settings as well as Gnome settings. The old Gnome control panel was really handy, and the universal system control panel was one thing Windows did right.

SolidAndShade
agree...!

[UbuWu]

Nothing new, it is already planned for breezy: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
look for softwaremap :grin:

[bigzak]

Just my £0.02, and very mundane compared to the suggestions so far, but there is a little routine I go through for each install I do and it would be nice not to have to. The two main ones are:

replace esound with polypaudio
set the gnome mixer to use the alsa mixer, not the emulated OSS one

That's it, that's my wish list. Either I'm easily pleased (definitely not the case) or Ubuntu totally rocks. Hmm... wonder which is it?

[idn]

What kinda programs will we have access to with ths sofware map? There are some programs that seem really handy on gnomefiles.org that arent in the repositries for example

[totalshredder]

SolidandShade, I gotta agree with you again, but the main problem with some of those suggestions is that they are gnome's fault, and nothing ubuntu could fix easily. Gnome needs to work on this, and they seem to be dreaming of 3.xx when we want reality :) I love gnome, but I always find myself making many drawers. At least you can edit them!

Luke

[totalshredder]

EDIT : SO sorry for the double post, it happened when the servers went down for a little while, so I didn't think it was getting through :)

[SolidAndShade]

Yeah, some of those issues do concern Gnome itself, but it wouldn't be too hard to do something to make application management easier. A program that presents a list of installed apps by type like I was talking about wouldn't be too hard to code, IMHO. It could recycle a lot of code from synaptic and it could even be incorporated into the user-friendly package manager I was talking about. Still, improvements to Gnome are important, and maybe it should be a long-term goal of the Ubuntu project to help get the Gnome developers to think about the user experience from the ground up.

SolidAndShade

[poofyhairguy]

Yeah, some of those issues do concern Gnome itself, but it wouldn't be too hard to do something to make application management easier.

You should add that to the to do list:

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeaPool/view?searchterm=breezy

[idn]

I agree, maybe there needs to be a way for gnome to have a system similiar to rpms or .debs to that users can uses an application built into gnome to search for files listed on gnomefiles.org for example, select which ones they want to download, and installs it including all depenancies, just like apt.

Although this may conflict with applications already installed through apt.

Any thoughts?

[totalshredder]

I agree, maybe there needs to be a way for gnome to have a system similiar to rpms or .debs to that users can uses an application built into gnome to search for files listed on gnomefiles.org for example, select which ones they want to download, and installs it including all depenancies, just like apt.

Although this may conflict with applications already installed through apt.

Any thoughts?
Interesting.


On another subject, I really like the idea of built in dan'sguardian, this would be great for if somebody wanted to use ubuntu in a library, school or church enviroment. I have tried hours and hours and even more hours, but I have yet to be able to get dansguardian to work. (If anyone knows how, please PM me!)

Luke

[jnoreiko]

I'd like something for offline users to install packages.

I had a terrible time trying to install inkscape on my ubuntu before I got the ADSL modem working. I kept having to go back and forth between that and my windows system to satisfy depedencies.

Something that saves your system information to a file, which you then copy to flashdrive and post to a repository website, that then gives you a simple list of the files you need that you can take back to the linux system.

[Stormy Eyes]

Something that saves your system information to a file, which you then copy to flashdrive and post to a repository website, that then gives you a simple list of the files you need that you can take back to the linux system.

Couldn't you just save the output of apt-get -s install foo to a text file? Something along the lines of echo `apt-get -s install gnome` >> gnome-depends.txt?

[SolidAndShade]

Couldn't you just save the output of apt-get -s install foo to a text file? Something along the lines of echo `apt-get -s install gnome` >> gnome-depends.txt?

To do that, you'd have to manually install every application with apt-get. Then, once you'd assembled your big package list file, you'd have to scroll through it and copy every package name into the synaptic search window or do something similar if you wanted to replicate your system configuration. That would probably take more time than just scrolling through the synaptic lists and clicking on every package you remember having. If synaptic could produce a system setup file that you could load into synaptic on another system to make it automatically reproduce your system configuration, it would be really cool. That's something I wished dselect could do for a long time when I was using Debian.

SolidAndShade

[Pink Chick]

I would love to see the mysql tools (admin, query browser, migration toolkit), and ogmrip.

[pdk001]

i will greatly appreciated if breezy comes up with having eng-kor dictionary