Arch Linux Talk

[miggols99]

thanks for that finforflu it worked! and thank you frak also!

im still looking for a solution to my compiz errors though... The arch forums are really slow compared to here lol.

i get this error when trying to launch fusion-icon in kdemod

dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session

here is my daemons line in my /etc/rc/conf

DAEMONS=(syslog-ng hal network fam netfs crond alsa)

if i do a dbus-launch fusion-icon compiz starts and i ge tthe effects but no windowborders and no icon in the tray...

any ideas?

For window borders I had to install libbonoboui (with a few gnome dependencies). For the tray icon I think it's fusion-icon-tray.

[K.Mandla]

Is anyone having trouble with audacious playing streaming mp3s? The last update a few days ago seemed to have disrupted its ability to play tunes off the Internet. Any suggestions? I'm thinking about dropping back to the previous version. (This happened before, maybe nine months ago, when it went from 1.2 to 1.3, I think.)

[Opeth115]

Why not just let the daemon do everything for you?

well i added kdm to my daemons line and no i get the,


No GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap error gotta find a solution to that now lol...

I have a nvidia card and i know it supports it


EDIT: Gah this is confusing me like hell.... IT's back to that original error message now with kdm loaded as a daemon...

here's my daemon's list

DAEMONS=(syslog-ng hal network fam netfs crond alsa kdm)

i don't understand why it's this complicated i've had arch up and running before with no problems.... Not that it's really a problem lol it's just an annoying tick i wanna get by really lol

ok wait if i start fusion-icon from my normal user it gives me that original error of dbus not being loaded... But if i do it as root then it gives me the No GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap error... how could this be?

[Frak]

Sounds like Fusion doesn't like your configuration. Make sure you changed your xorg.conf file to work with your card.

[afonic]

Actually I had some trouble with KDE and Compiz Fusion from the Git repository (although it works fine in Gnome)

Which repository did you install from? Maybe it is worth it uninstalling and trying the other one, if you are 100% sure your settings (xorg.conf etc) are correct.

[Atreus12]

I have an older laptop running debian etch with fluxbox as a graphical interface.

I'm pretty happy with it, but I keep hearing about arch. Should I switch to arch? Is it as easy to use as Debian? With fluxbox as a gui on both, will it be faster than Debian?

Is the package selection and management as good as Debian?

Would Arch be beyond my skill level? I installed Debian and built it up using aptitude, but I've never compiled a kernel or stuff like that.

-Andrew

[Rumor]

If you like Fluxbox, you might want to look at Antix. http://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page
I have an old PII/266 laptop that runs it just fine. It has a very slick customized Fluxbox desktop running on it. It comes as a live CD with option to install.

Arch is whatever you make it to be. The base install will give you a working Linux environment with only a command line. From there you install whatever applications, desktops, window managers you like. You don't have to compile anything. Arch is binary, so it uses packages that are already built.

The package manager, pacman is (IMO) better than apt. It is fast, and very simple to learn. the package selection for Arch is not as enormous as for Debian, but then nothing is. I've found it to be very complete for what I do. You can search the repositories here: http://www.archlinux.org/ but keep in mind that there are a lot of packages in the community repository which is not listed on the web site.

Arch is not for everyone, but for many users, there is no other distro that comes close.

Read the beginner's guide: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide
Read the Arch Way: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way
Those two documents will help you decide if Arch is for you. If you decide to install, let us know how you make out!

[mivo]

You can search the repositories here: http://www.archlinux.org/ but keep in mind that there are a lot of packages in the community repository which is not listed on the web site.

The search option for the AUR community repository is here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php. The packages here partly require compiling (this is as simple as typing makepkg). If they get enough votes from users, they will become regular binary packages and move on to the "normal" repositories. (Only explaining for Atreus12 because the difference between the regular repositories and the AUR was initially confusing to me. :))

[Frak]

I have an older laptop running debian etch with fluxbox as a graphical interface.

I'm pretty happy with it, but I keep hearing about arch. Should I switch to arch? Is it as easy to use as Debian? With fluxbox as a gui on both, will it be faster than Debian?

Is the package selection and management as good as Debian?

Would Arch be beyond my skill level? I installed Debian and built it up using aptitude, but I've never compiled a kernel or stuff like that.

-Andrew
Only if you are ready to build your system, literally, from scratch.

[raul_]

Don't scare him Frak =P
it's true that you build your system from scratch, but you'll see that you don't need many of the junk that comes pre installed in most linux distros.

Besides, most of the commands are in the Arch wiki. It's not really intimidating

[Atreus12]

Thanks for the links, Rumor. Right now school is eating up all my free time, but I anticipate this as a winter break project.

Arch sounds really intriguing. I actually like the idea of building my own system (provided I can figure it out).

Only if you are ready to build your system, literally, from scratch.

How different will this be than a Debian install? All I got after my Debian install was a cli bash prompt, with the basics.

From there it was really easy though, I used apt-get to install aptitude, and then just browsed through a list of packages and marked the ones I wanted.

Is doing this in Arch more complicated? For example, when I installed Fluxbox in Debian, it automatically installed xorg as a dependency. Will there be a lot more package hunting / configuration in Arch?

-Andrew

Edit: Just browsed through the wiki. Yeah, looks more complicated than a Debian install, but I still want to try it.

[pelle.k]

Many packages seem to have a bare minimum of dependencies tied to them. There used to be a xorg metapackage, but it was removed, and i don't think it's back yet. Other than that, the essentials would be xorg (look in the forum for the bare minimum) + WM/DE + maybe hal/dbus.

It's pretty easy to add packages to that when you have something up and running already. You'll quickly find out what gstreamer/xine extras you need to play mp3s/div content and that sort of stuff. Just make a list of what to include the next time you plan to reinstall.

[K.Mandla]

I have an older laptop running debian etch with fluxbox as a graphical interface.
Waitaminute. How old? Remember Arch technically only works on i686 and x86-64. If it's too old, it will refuse to run. There's Lowarch (http://www.lowarch.org) for i586 and lower, which is almost as good, but is the distro is dead. ...

[mivo]

There used to be a xorg metapackage, but it was removed, and i don't think it's back yet.

Two days ago the xorg meta package was there, for both architectures.

[Atreus12]

Waitaminute. How old? Remember Arch technically only works on i686 and x86-64. If it's too old, it will refuse to run. There's Lowarch (http://www.lowarch.org) for i586 and lower, which is almost as good, but is the distro is dead. ...

P3 600Mhz. I think this is 686?

[miggols99]

P3 600Mhz. I think this is 686?
I have an old P3 that runs Arch fine, so I assume it's i686.

[Frak]

I have an old P3 that runs Arch fine, so I assume it's i686.
All Pentium Pro and above are i686 Processors, that includes:

* Pentium Pro
* Pentium II
* Pentium III
* Pentium IV
* Celeron
* Pentium M
* Xeon
* Core

* Athlon
* Athlon XP
* Duron
* Sempron

* VIA C3 (Only the Nehemiah or CoreFusion cores)
* VIA C7

[RedSquirrel]

Edit: Just browsed through the wiki. Yeah, looks more complicated than a Debian install, but I still want to try it.

It's not hard. If you read the installation guide before installing, you'll have a good idea of what needs to be done. I found the separate page describing Xorg was helpful:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg

As mentioned earlier in this thread, you might want to consider printing out the install guide and some other parts of the wiki that you want to read. They'll come in handy during the install and perhaps afterwards as well.

The stable version of Fluxbox (1.0.0) is available as a binary:

pacman -S fluxbox

[afonic]

Many packages seem to have a bare minimum of dependencies tied to them. There used to be a xorg metapackage, but it was removed, and i don't think it's back yet. Other than that, the essentials would be xorg (look in the forum for the bare minimum) + WM/DE + maybe hal/dbus.

It's pretty easy to add packages to that when you have something up and running already. You'll quickly find out what gstreamer/xine extras you need to play mp3s/div content and that sort of stuff. Just make a list of what to include the next time you plan to reinstall.

Actually it was added again, this time as a group:

[root@afonic-arch afonic]# pacman -S xorg
:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm
:: Install whole content? [Y/n]

[Stalafin]

Just wanted to ask:
Is archlinux.org down for you guys too (i.e. including bbs.archlinux.org and wiki.archlinux.org).
I can't access any of them since yesterday evening (CET that is).

[K.Mandla]

All Pentium Pro and above are i686 Processors, that includes. ...
The sad part is that it doesn't include AMD's K6 line, which means you can have a 450Mhz machine that would just scream along with Arch ... except it's the i586 architecture, and Arch will stonewall you on it.

But if that's the case, I'm with you in that boat. :|

[mivo]

Just wanted to ask:
Is archlinux.org down for you guys too (i.e. including bbs.archlinux.org and wiki.archlinux.org).
I can't access any of them since yesterday evening (CET that is).

Works here, forums, the repos, and the rest of the site.

[finferflu]

Just wanted to ask:
Is archlinux.org down for you guys too (i.e. including bbs.archlinux.org and wiki.archlinux.org).
I can't access any of them since yesterday evening (CET that is).

Same here, *again*... oh noooo! :(

[raul_]

Nothing wrong here. My ip is blocked at the KDEmod forums though. First time I saw anything like it

[crimesaucer]

http://aur.archlinux.org/ and the homepage are working for me, I just built Brasero from the AUR.

[finferflu]

Ok, it's finally back again for me... this is getting annoying...

[handy]

My answer will make me look like a total jerk, i know. But i really have to say that in my two years using arch, i have *never* encountered a single dependency error. Did you miss the switch from current to core, or did you add a testing/unofficial repo? i.e. human error?

Sorry for the long time between posts, I hadn't expected any replies to my post.

Perhaps I made a mistake, though I certainly am a careful reader with a slow methodical mind, but I certainly have made mistakes & will make them again for sure ;-)

I had just spent days on a Gentoo install or two, reading very carefully & failing, quite possible due to my BIOS, but I can not be sure on that either...

[Dimitriid]

I need a Bon Echo specific tip: a minor thing is that some websites ( not all, depending on how they link ) open videos with whatever video plugin I use ( i tried mplayer and totem plugins ) even if its a link and not embedded. On the file types by clicking on "Manage" the list is usually blank so I can't change the behavior ( there is no create button to make the extension type myself )

I got a pluging called MIMO Edit and now they are on the list ( the ones I manually introduce with that plugin ) but changing the behavior does not seems to take effect. Any ideas?

[crimesaucer]

I need a Bon Echo specific tip: a minor thing is that some websites ( not all, depending on how they link ) open videos with whatever video plugin I use ( i tried mplayer and totem plugins ) even if its a link and not embedded. On the file types by clicking on "Manage" the list is usually blank so I can't change the behavior ( there is no create button to make the extension type myself )

I got a pluging called MIMO Edit and now they are on the list ( the ones I manually introduce with that plugin ) but changing the behavior does not seems to take effect. Any ideas?

I use xine-ui with the Firefox "MediaPlayerConnectivity" plug-in. It works every time.


The video isn't embedded, but it works good and usually is faster with a better picture. Plus, that Firefox add-on can choose which media player it uses for Windows Media, Real, Quicktime, MP3, OGG...

[insane_alien]

i've just got arch up and running (WICD is being a pain in the *** though, might hae to revert to WEP for a while) and wow. i like it.

thinking of switching to it because i like the rolling release aspect. the biggest problem i've had so far is that the time was wrong and refused to change. bu i got that sorted.

[Dimitriid]

Today on pacman I got the following core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: cpufrequtils: forcing upgrade to version 002-3
warning: dnsutils: forcing upgrade to version 9.4.1_P1-3
warning: iwlwifi-3945-ucode: forcing upgrade to version 2.14.1.5-2
warning: iwlwifi-4965-ucode: forcing upgrade to version 4.44.1.18-2
resolving dependencies... done.


Then there is something like 120mb of updates. Are there really this many new updates? ( Front Arch Page says they were redoing core completely ) The first check saying up to date kinda throw me off a bit.

[K.Mandla]

Yeah, I had a whole slew of downloads yesterday and a clean install today is occasionally spitting out cryptic error messages. Nothing critical, but it does make me wonder.

[ynnhoj]

Today on pacman I got the following core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: cpufrequtils: forcing upgrade to version 002-3
warning: dnsutils: forcing upgrade to version 9.4.1_P1-3
warning: iwlwifi-3945-ucode: forcing upgrade to version 2.14.1.5-2
warning: iwlwifi-4965-ucode: forcing upgrade to version 4.44.1.18-2
resolving dependencies... done.


Then there is something like 120mb of updates. Are there really this many new updates?
yeah, they've rebuilt the core packages to take advantage of some recent gcc or glibc updates; i didn't realize they had moved everything from [testing] to [core] already, though..

[mivo]

I got the 120 MB updates on two different machines (one 32-bit installation, one 64-bit installation) and even though I was a little nervous about it, neither box experienced any trouble. No error messages that I could see, either.

Discovering yaourt made me appreciate the AUR even more. What a splendid packaging system Arch has!

[finferflu]

What a splendid packaging system Arch has!

Will you ever be able to stop saying that? I can't. :D
The more I use it, the more I love it. Talk about ideal distro.

[Tenken]

I justed installed Arch on my laptop and I'm trying openbox for the first time. I like the look of pypanel, can anyone point me to a good beginners guide? The Arch wiki and PyPanel home page don't have much for me to go on.

[crimesaucer]

Will you ever be able to stop saying that? I can't. :D
The more I use it, the more I love it. Talk about ideal distro.

I think I'll be with this distro for a while. Everything has been a really good linux experience. My only negative comment would be that the forum is not very active like this forum is. But, usually, if it's a question that matters, it does get answered.

I also think that Archlinux expects their users to search a bit, and figure problems out for them-selves before posting and questions.

[Frak]

I think I'll be with this distro for a while. Everything has been a really good linux experience. My only negative comment would be that the forum is not very active like this forum is. But, usually, if it's a question that matters, it does get answered.

I also think that Archlinux expects their users to search a bit, and figure problems out for them-selves before posting and questions.
It's the same on this forum. The experts expect you to have searched google and have had read the man page and/or documentation.

[crimesaucer]

It's the same on this forum. The experts expect you to have searched google and have had read the man page and/or documentation.

Yeah, but I've answered a lot of questions on this Ubuntu forum (mostly theme questions about gtkrc and the gtktr-2.0 for the panel), and I see a lot of the same questions asked (that are easily searched in the Ubuntu search, and Google search engines), and the difference is that there are so many people that are active on this forum, that it's almost a completion to answer the question first... even if it's a really simple question that could be found in a few minutes worth of searching. Sometimes it seems better to just save the 10-20 minutes of searching because so many users already know the answer and love to add to their bean count by answering it.


For example, how many times have you seen someone ask about the panels disappearing?


I know I've answered that one a bunch. I don't mind telling someone "xfce4-panel &". On the Arch Forums, it seems that the questions are usually more complicated and expert than that, and it usually takes a few days for a reply on any question no matter what type of question it is.

[Frak]

Yeah, but I've answered a lot of questions on this Ubuntu forum (mostly theme questions about gtkrc and the gtktr-2.0 for the panel), and I see a lot of the same questions asked (that are easily searched in the Ubuntu search, and Google search engines), and the difference is that there are so many people that are active on this forum, that it's almost a completion to answer the question first... even if it's a really simple question that could be found in a few minutes worth of searching. Sometimes it seems better to just save the 10-20 minutes of searching because so many users already know the answer and love to add to their bean count by answering it.


For example, how many times have you seen someone ask about the panels disappearing?


I know I've answered that one a bunch. I don't mind telling someone "xfce4-panel &". On the Arch Forums, it seems that the questions are usually more complicated and expert than that, and it usually takes a few days for a reply on any question no matter what type of question it is.
Here, by forum rules, all answers are to be based upon the expectation that the user already searched all available information. That's why even the simplest questions are answered.

[K.Mandla]

I justed installed Arch on my laptop and I'm trying openbox for the first time. I like the look of pypanel, can anyone point me to a good beginners guide? The Arch wiki and PyPanel home page don't have much for me to go on.
Hmm. I don't know if I've ever seen a pypanel howto around here. :-k I don't usually use it, because I prefer to run panelless. Maybe someone will share their configuration files.

You might also check the random Openbox chatter thread.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190476

I'm fairly confident someone has a panel setup they'll share. It might take a while to sift through that thread though. :shock:

[regomodo]

Does the xorg metapackage include all the packages that were in the old "arch beginners guide".

I cannot for the life of me get ssh to work with the xserver anymore on my fresh install.

I'm getting xlib errors.

Additionally, the Arduino IDE is still a pita to get working in arduino. It is really trying my patience and i'm about ready to throw my laptop out the window.

[edit] i'm saving my sanity(and laptop) and installing debian testing instead

Don't know if i'll return to arch, for the 3rd time.

[crimesaucer]

Here, by forum rules, all answers are to be based upon the expectation that the user already searched all available information. That's why even the simplest questions are answered.

Are you talking about Ubuntu Forums? Because if you like to help people in the Absolute Beginners section like I do, then you would see most people ask the easiest of questions... and even if they are the same repeated beginner questions, the mods and more knowledged users usually give a prompt answer with no attitude what so ever.


Searching before asking may be in the rules, but it sure ain't the way it really is on here.


But the positive thing about Ubuntu, is that people are so stoked on the distro (me included), that they don't mind answering an easy question that could be found on google or the ubuntu search, and people like to give as much beginner info to anybody interested in Ubuntu or Linux. I usually answer a question about Conky, Compiz Fusion, Emerald, transparent panels images, and gtk themes every other day on this forum, or deviant ART, and StumbleUpon. I enjoy helping with things I've learned from others.

[TheRingmaster]

I've been using arch linux now for a while. I switched from this distro (ubuntu) because i liked the package management alot better and the rolling release setup. I am concidering moving back to ubuntu now because firefox is refusing to start up and i'm forced to use opera :( If i could rate arch, i would put it at number 2 on distrowatch's list. ubuntu still being on top of course.

If anyone has any questions about arch or needs support you can pm me here or email me. :popcorn:

[K.Mandla]

Does the xorg metapackage include all the packages that were in the old "arch beginners guide".
Hmm. I think, although I'm not 100 percent sure, that the xorg metapackage is out. (Is that right, folks?) It was demoted to a group, or that was the plan a month or so ago. There was a big stink about it on the Arch forums because a dev yanked the metapackage without telling anyone, and as a result a buncha people got irritated.

I think now you need to ...

# pacman -Sy xorg-server xorg-xinit f86-input-{mouse,keyboard} xf86-video-<mycard> xorg-fonts-<mydpi>
# X -configure
# $EDITOR xorg.conf.new
# mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Is that what you're asking, or do I misunderstand? 8-[

[mivo]

The xorg meta package is out and it includes all the files listed in the Beginner's Guide. :)


:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm

[finferflu]

I've been using arch linux now for a while. I switched from this distro (ubuntu) because i liked the package management alot better and the rolling release setup. I am concidering moving back to ubuntu now because firefox is refusing to start up and i'm forced to use opera :( If i could rate arch, i would put it at number 2 on distrowatch's list. ubuntu still being on top of course.

If anyone has any questions about arch or needs support you can pm me here or email me. :popcorn:
I don't know if you're using Gnome, but you could give Epiphany a try. That's what I did, since Firefox was starting to annoy me seriously in matters of resources consumption. Epiphany has some of the Firefox extensions, such as Adblock and Greasemonkey, and it can also integrate with Delicious. In exchange you get a faster and lighter browser, which never hangs or hangs on scrolling a page.
I know it's not the solution, but it could be a good excuse to give it a (serious) go :P
I'm still missing the Vimperator extension though :(

[regomodo]

I've been using arch linux now for a while. I switched from this distro (ubuntu) because i liked the package management alot better and the rolling release setup. I am concidering moving back to ubuntu now because firefox is refusing to start up and i'm forced to use opera :( If i could rate arch, i would put it at number 2 on distrowatch's list. ubuntu still being on top of course.

If anyone has any questions about arch or needs support you can pm me here or email me. :popcorn:

try to run it from a terminal. I got segfaults when my f'fox refused to work. The only cure for that was to reburn arch on a different cd, hoped it wasn't corrupted, and reinstalled arch.

[afonic]

The xorg meta package is out and it includes all the files listed in the Beginner's Guide. :)


:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm


Thats a group not a metapackage. :P

[mivo]

Well, that is what you get with pacman -S xorg. :P Close enough!

[Frak]

Anybody else use yaourt? I find it a great resource.

[kellemes]

Anybody else use yaourt? I find it a great resource.

What is it?

[Frak]

What is it?
It's a pacman frontend for building and installing the packages from AUR.

[raul_]

I do

[afonic]

Well, that is what you get with pacman -S xorg. :P Close enough!

True. :)

I posted to let you know since this was the actual change, the metapackage was the removed and a group was added instead. The main difference in the user side is that you can select not to install the whole group and select which packages to install using pacman,

[epimer]

Anybody else use yaourt? I find it a great resource.

I started using it a couple of days ago. Very useful for AUR stuff, but it's a horrendous name for a CLI program. It takes me 3 or 4 times as long to type "yaourt" as it does "pacman" because it's so unintuitive. Here's hoping it's just a matter of getting used to it...

[floke]

I've been using arch linux now for a while. I switched from this distro (ubuntu) because i liked the package management alot better and the rolling release setup. I am concidering moving back to ubuntu now because firefox is refusing to start up and i'm forced to use opera :( If i could rate arch, i would put it at number 2 on distrowatch's list. ubuntu still being on top of course.

If anyone has any questions about arch or needs support you can pm me here or email me. :popcorn:

You could try Netscape - it's compatible with Firefox plugins so has the same funtionality.

[raul_]

I started using it a couple of days ago. Very useful for AUR stuff, but it's a horrendous name for a CLI program. It takes me 3 or 4 times as long to type "yaourt" as it does "pacman" because it's so unintuitive. Here's hoping it's just a matter of getting used to it...

yao<TAB> ;)

[Frak]

I started using it a couple of days ago. Very useful for AUR stuff, but it's a horrendous name for a CLI program. It takes me 3 or 4 times as long to type "yaourt" as it does "pacman" because it's so unintuitive. Here's hoping it's just a matter of getting used to it...
I just changed the name of yaourt to aurman in my path.

[finferflu]

I not only use yaourt, I also use tupac, which is great for searching packages. It's faster, and it has a nice interactive menu which makes you select multiple packages using number to match them, then it uses yaourt to install them. You don't even have to remember to use sudo to run it, since it asks for the password when needed (I am never prompted for it, since I use sudo without password).
I recommend it ;)

[afonic]

I started using it a couple of days ago. Very useful for AUR stuff, but it's a horrendous name for a CLI program. It takes me 3 or 4 times as long to type "yaourt" as it does "pacman" because it's so unintuitive. Here's hoping it's just a matter of getting used to it...

yao + TAB = yaourt

[raul_]

I not only use yaourt, I also use tupac, which is great for searching packages. It's faster, and it has a nice interactive menu which makes you select multiple packages using number to match them, then it uses yaourt to install them. You don't even have to remember to use sudo to run it, since it asks for the password when needed (I am never prompted for it, since I use sudo without password).
I recommend it ;)

AHA

me likes it :)

10 times faster than yaourt

[afonic]

And you spend 33% less energy too.

[mivo]

Now if it also brewed coffee, I'd be one happy Archer. ;) (Even happier, that is!)

[K.Mandla]

yaourt is mighty awesome.

[raul_]

yaourt is mighty awesome.

Did you try finferflu's sugestion? (tupac) it's really fast searching the aur.

[jaybombalous]

I am now officially a arch user myself. I have been using arch more then ubuntu lately thanks to this thread that got me interested in arch. :)

Love the AUR and pkgbuild's, apt-get is very nice, but I think I prefer pacman and the rolling release that arch linux provides.

[epimer]

yao<TAB> ;)

Ah yes, but the problem is that I can never remember if it's "yaourt" or "yauort"! Which is really my fault and not that of the program, but still... :P

Going to check out tupac now.

[Rumor]

I justed installed Arch on my laptop and I'm trying openbox for the first time. I like the look of pypanel, can anyone point me to a good beginners guide? The Arch wiki and PyPanel home page don't have much for me to go on.

I am no expert on pypanel. A screenshot of mine is below and the .pypanelrc file as well. If you install pypanel, you'll have a sample config file somewhere on your hard drive, or you can find one online and edit it to suit your preferences. It is fairly well commented. I don't know of any beginners guides. I looked through a few pypanelrc files and the related screenshots to learn what the different sections of the file configured and then made mine to suit my use.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/WhirledPeas/pypanel.png

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#

# PyPanel v2.4 Configuration

#

# This configuration file is a Python script that will be executed when

# PyPanel is started. In order for PyPanel to start properly, make sure that

# this file contains proper Python formatting and no syntax errors.

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

VERSION = 2.4 # Config file version



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Colors: Format is hex triplet - 0xrrggbb

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BG_COLOR = "0xd6d6d6" # Panel background and tinting color

TASK_COLOR = "0xFFFFFF" # Normal task name color

FOCUSED_COLOR = "0x1826de" # Focused task name color

SHADED_COLOR = "0x808080" # Shaded task name color

MINIMIZED_COLOR = "0x808080" # Minimized task name color

DESKTOP_COLOR = "0xFFFFFF" # Desktop name color

CLOCK_COLOR = "0xFFFFFF" # Clock text color

LINE_COLOR = "0x606060" # Vertical line color



# Text Shadow Colors

TASK_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"

FOCUSED_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"

SHADED_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"

MINIMIZED_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"

DESKTOP_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"

CLOCK_SHADOW_COLOR = "0xffffff"



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Panel Spacing and Location Options: Measured in pixels

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

P_LOCATION = 1 # Panel placement: 0 = top, 1 = bottom

P_WIDTH = 0 # Panel width: 0 = Use full screen width

P_START = 0 # Starting X coordinate of the panel

P_SPACER = 12 # Spacing between panel objects

P_HEIGHT = 48 # Panel height



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Icon Size Options: Measured in pixels

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I_HEIGHT = 16 # Panel application icon height

I_WIDTH = 16 # Panel application icon Width

APPL_I_HEIGHT = 48 # Application launcher icon height

APPL_I_WIDTH = 48 # Application launcher icon width

TRAY_I_HEIGHT = 24 # System tray icon height (usually 16 or 24)

TRAY_I_WIDTH = 24 # System tray icon width (usually 16 or 24)

# If TRAY_I_WIDTH is set to 0, then the

# width specified by the tray app will be used



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Panel Clock Format: 'man strftime' for detailed formatting options and help

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CLOCK_FORMAT = "%A %m-%d-%Y %I:%M" # Ex: 2004-09-25 17:45



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Clock Delay: Seconds between each clock update during periods of inactivity

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CLOCK_DELAY = 20



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Hidden Application List: Apps listed here will not be display on the panel

# The application name is its WM_CLASS name, use 'xprop' to find WM_CLASS

# Ex: ["xmms", "xine", "gDesklets"]

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HIDE_LIST = []



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Hidden Panel Size: Size of the panel when it's hidden/minimized

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HIDDEN_SIZE = 2



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Panel Text Font: This option takes either a traditional or Xft font string

# Ex: "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

# "aquafont-8"

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FONT = "bitstream vera sans-16"

#FONT = "LiberationSans-Regular-24"

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Show All Applications: Show apps from all desktops or just the current

# 0: Disabled - Only applications on the current desktop will be displayed

# 1: Enabled - Selected apps are moved to the current desktop

# 2: Enabled - Current desktop is changed to the selected apps desktop

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHOWALL = 0 # 0, 1 or 2 - see descriptions above



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Show Minimized/Iconified Applications: Show only minimized apps or all apps

# 0: Disabled - Show all applications on the panel

# 1: Enabled - Show only minimized apps on the panel

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHOWMINIMIZED = 0



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Application Icon List: List of custom icons for specific applications

# The application name is its WM_CLASS name, use 'xprop' to find WM_CLASS

#

# The "default" entry is used for applications with no icon. If left "",

# PyPanel will use the default icon distributed with the source.

#

# Add entries using the following format -

# "<application name>" : "<full path to icon>",

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ICON_LIST = {

"default" : "",

"example" : "/usr/share/imlib2/data/images/audio.png",

}



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Application Launch List: Ordered list of icons and applications for the

# application launcher.

#

# Add entries using the following format -

# ("<executable>", "<full path to icon>")

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LAUNCH_LIST = [

("nautilus", "/usr/share/icons/Tango/48x48/apps/kfm.png"),

("firefox", "/home/matthew/icons/mozilla-firefox.png"),

("pan", "/usr/share/pixmaps/pan.png"),
("liferea", "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/liferea.png"),
("pidgin", "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/pidgin.png"),
("miro", "/usr/share/pixmaps/miro-72x72.png"),

("gnome-terminal", "/usr/share/icons/Tango/48x48/apps/gnome-terminal.png"),

("/home/matthew/games/quake3/ioquake3", "/home/matthew/games/quake3/quake3.png"),

("etqw", "/home/matthew/games/etqw/etqw_icon.png"),

("/home/matthew/games/dominions3/dom3", "/home/matthew/games/dominions3/dom3icon.png"),

("pysol", "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-freecell.png"),

("/opt/openoffice/program/soffice -writer", "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/writer.png"),

("brasero", "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnomebaker-48.png"),



]



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Background Alpha/Shade Level: 0 (Fully Translucent) -> 255 (Fully Opaque)

# BG_COLOR is used for tinting

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHADE = 0



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Misc. Options: 1 = Enabled/Yes, 0 = Disabled/No

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ABOVE = 1 # Panel is always above other apps

APPICONS = 1 # Show application icons

AUTOHIDE = 0 # Autohide uses the CLOCK_DELAY timer above

SHADOWS = 0 # Show text shadows

SHOWLINES = 0 # Show object seperation lines

SHOWBORDER = 0 # Show a border around the panel



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Desktop Names: Configure the names of your desktops

# If the option is [], PyPanel will attempt to use the desktop name specified

# by the XServer, if that fails it will use the desktop number as its name

# Ex. ["One", "Two", "Three", "Four", "Five", "Six", "Seven", "Eight"]

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DESKTOP_NAMES = ["Desktop 1", "Desktop 2", "Desktop 3", "Desktop 4"]



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Panel Layout: -----------------------------------

# [ 1 ][ 2 ][ 3 ][ 4 ][ 5 ]

# -----------------------------------

#

# The panel layout is split into 5 sections numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 as shown

# in the diagram above. Each of the following objects can be enabled by

# assigning it a section number or disabled by assigning it 0:

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DESKTOP = 1 # Desktop name section

TASKS = 5 # Task names section

TRAY = 0 # System tray section

CLOCK = 0 # Clock section

LAUNCHER = 2 # Application launcher section



#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Button Event Function Definitions

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# Left click - button 1

# Middle click - button 2

# Right click - button 3

# Wheel up - button 4

# Wheel down - button 5

#

# changeDesktop(x)

# - Change Desktop: Increase or decrease the current desktop by 'x' amount

#

# toggleShade(task)

# - Shade or Unshade an application

#

# toggleHidden()

# - Minimize the panel to the top or bottom depending on its start location

#

# toggleMinimize(task, traise=1)

# - Minimize or Unminimize an application and optionally raise it

#

# taskRaise(task, focus=1)

# - Raise an application to the top of the window list and optionally focus it

#

# taskLower(task, focus=0)

# - Lower an app to the bottom of the window list and optionally focus it

#

# taskFocus(task)

# - Give focus to the selected application, if it has focus then minimize it

#

# showDesktop()

# - Toggle between hiding and unhiding ALL applications

#------------------------------------------------------------------------------



#----------------------------------

def desktopButtonEvent(pp, button):

#----------------------------------

""" Button event handler for the panel's desktop object """



if button == 1:

pp.changeDesktop(-1)

elif button == 2:

pp.changeDesktop(2)

elif button == 3:

pp.changeDesktop(1)

elif button == 4:

pp.changeDesktop(1)

elif button == 5:

pp.changeDesktop(-1)



#--------------------------------

def clockButtonEvent(pp, button):

#--------------------------------

""" Button event handler for the panel's clock object """



if button == 1:

os.system("xclock &")

elif button == 2:

pass

elif button == 3:

pp.toggleHidden()

elif button == 4:

pp.showDesktop()

elif button == 5:

pp.showDesktop()



#--------------------------------

def panelButtonEvent(pp, button):

#--------------------------------

""" Button event handler for the panel with no active tasks """



if button == 1:

pass

elif button == 2:

pass

elif button == 3:

pass

elif button == 4:

pass

elif button == 5:

pass



#-------------------------------------

def taskButtonEvent(pp, button, task):

#-------------------------------------

""" Button event handler for the panel's tasks """



if button == 1:

pp.taskFocus(task)

elif button == 2:

# Destroy the application

task.obj.destroy()

elif button == 3:

# Ex. - XMMS doesn't shade, so we want to minimize it instead and

# still use button 3 to shade other applications

# task.tclass is the tasks class name (WM_CLASS)

if "xmms" in task.tclass:

pp.toggleMinimize(task)

else:

pp.toggleShade(task)

elif button == 4:

pp.taskRaise(task, focus=1)

elif button == 5:

pp.taskLower(task, focus=0)

[Tenken]

Thanks for the info, that's very. Trying to find info in the 100+ page openbox thread was slow going.

[PurposeOfReason]

My new laptop came today and so far, arch has been treating it nicely. I'm down to the final things I have to do and none seem to want to work for me.

The CUPS wiki seems to just stop and I have no idea on what to do now or if I got the right drivers (Epson stylus CX6000)

When I plug in my headphones, no sound comes out and the speakers keep going. Alsamixer only has options for master and pcm so I'm sure I missed a package there, but not sure what. Anything to control brightness would be amazing as well.

I'm using slim and right before it appears, it flashes the desktop as it was before I last shutdown.

Last, because it is least important, gensplash. No idea on what to do. I've read I'll have to patch the kernel but I'm not sure with what, or how.

Thanks if anyone can help me with any of these problems.

Sony vaod fv series

[K.Mandla]

I'm using slim and right before it appears, it flashes the desktop as it was before I last shutdown.
Last shutdown or last reboot? I know I get leftover images from video memory if I don't shutdown completely for about 10 seconds or so. In other words, I believe that's normal.

[PurposeOfReason]

Last shutdown or last reboot? I know I get leftover images from video memory if I don't shutdown completely for about 10 seconds or so. In other words, I believe that's normal.
Looks like reboot. With shutdown it just put some weird design, no big deal really. Got the printer to work, I just read the wiki wrong. Next most important, headphones. So does anyone know why I'd only have those two options?

[fwojciec]

Looks like reboot. With shutdown it just put some weird design, no big deal really. Got the printer to work, I just read the wiki wrong. Next most important, headphones. So does anyone know why I'd only have those two options?

I just did some quick googling about this... Try adding something like "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" to your /etc/modprobe.conf - if your sound driver is snd-had-intel, that is. For more configuration options for this module see this (maybe you'll find your specific laptop model there): http://pastebin.ca/642405

[jseiser]

got arch installed with openbox running. All cli apps and it flies. I have to admit, when i wanted to install conky i tried to apt-get out of habit :) My biggest problem is getting used to the package manager. I can Pacman -Sy whatever fine, but i read about some tupac program and yaour (sp?) and they are installed, but i dont really get how to use them lol. I also had a hard time grasping the aur/abs thing. Still dont really get it. :) But... its alot faster then when i do this to a ubuntu Install, which is what im after.

[jseiser]

o0o, another bother. I dont like going into root mode any longer then i have to. is there a way to make sudo pacman -Sy update and then get me out of root, like it is in ubuntu? Im tired of typing
su
password
pacman -Sy
exit
its 4 lines as oppossed to two :)

[Frak]

got arch installed with openbox running. All cli apps and it flies. I have to admit, when i wanted to install conky i tried to apt-get out of habit :) My biggest problem is getting used to the package manager. I can Pacman -Sy whatever fine, but i read about some tupac program and yaour (sp?) and they are installed, but i dont really get how to use them lol. I also had a hard time grasping the aur/abs thing. Still dont really get it. :) But... its alot faster then when i do this to a ubuntu Install, which is what im after.
when using yaourt, it is just like pacman.
To install a package with yaourt (out of the AUR repos), run
yaourt -S (package here)

Also, DO NOT run this as a root program, it knows when to do things.

[david_2001]

o0o, another bother. I dont like going into root mode any longer then i have to. is there a way to make sudo pacman -Sy update and then get me out of root, like it is in ubuntu? Im tired of typing
su
password
pacman -Sy
exit
its 4 lines as oppossed to two :)
Just go to the Arch Wiki and search for sudo (takes you to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo). Once you have sudo working then follow the link at the bottom of the page to disable root password and gain su sudo with no [root] password.

[Frak]

Just go to the Arch Wiki and search for sudo (takes you to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo). Once you have sudo working then follow the link at the bottom of the page to disable root password and gain su sudo with no [root] password.
That is really bad security practice. Go for the root password when calling upon sudo.

[david_2001]

That is really bad security practice. Go for the root password when calling upon sudo.
Even for a home-use computer?

[raul_]

Even for a home-use computer?

yes

[finferflu]

I don't think it's a bad security practice. If somebody manages to break in with the root account disabled, it means that s/he already knows both your username and password... If you have a single user account, I don't see the point of typing the password every time.

[Frak]

Even for a home-use computer?
It's still a computer that could contain "Private Information".

[raul_]

I don't think it's a bad security practice. If somebody manages to break in with the root account disabled, it means that s/he already knows both your username and password... If you have a single user account, I don't see the point of typing the password every time.

it's bad practice having the root account disabled in the first place :)

[omns]

I don't think it's a bad security practice. If somebody manages to break in with the root account disabled, it means that s/he already knows both your username and password... If you have a single user account, I don't see the point of typing the password every time.
That's a windows mindset and it's caused them nothing but grief. Not having root enabled removes an important safety valve. I wouldn't recommend it.

[K.Mandla]

Not to digress, but ...

Partly out of curiosity and partly out of troubleshooting some strange USB errors, what groups do you add your account to when you build your system? I'm used to adding a group called kmandla, putting the user kmandla into that group, then adding these as secondary groups

wheel,adm,users,audio,video,optical
I'm hoping adding "storage" makes my USB woes disappear. Any other suggestions?

[Rumor]

Not to digress, but ...

Partly out of curiosity and partly out of troubleshooting some strange USB errors, what groups do you add your account to when you build your system?

Here's my list:
disk wheel log network video audio optical storage power users

[raul_]

[raul@horus ~]$ groups
disk lp games network video audio optical storage camera power users


weird...no wheel group..hmmmm

[pelle.k]

audio,optical,storage,power,wheel
All i ever needed.

[finferflu]

Here's mine:
wheel dbus hal network video audio optical storage camera users

Just to comment on sudo. I used to have root enabled on other distros, but I found it useless. Really, what was the point? I don't think it's a Windows mindset, since I have left it 2 years ago now, and I didn't want Linux to behave the same way, I like the difference.
I only think it's annoying to type a difficult password everytime, and using sudo reminds me when I'm doing admin stuff. I don't think typing a password makes much of a difference. Also the system organisation is much different from Windows, with all the permissions system.
I think using sudo without password is a lot different than using the root account as a user. I also think disabling the root account is safer, because the root username is always the same, thus easier for a potential abuser to focus on the password only.

[eljoeb]

Not to digress, but ...

Partly out of curiosity and partly out of troubleshooting some strange USB errors, what groups do you add your account to when you build your system? I'm used to adding a group called kmandla, putting the user kmandla into that group, then adding these as secondary groups

wheel,adm,users,audio,video,optical
I'm hoping adding "storage" makes my USB woes disappear. Any other suggestions?

You might want hal.

[Dimitriid]

I recently Installed openbox and im liking it, i want to go into a much more minimalistic system. I wonder if you guys could tell me however: how much performance that I "regain" by not using a full blown Desktop Environment I would waste if I decide to use a few GTK/Gnome applications? ( I mainly really really want Firefox and Exaile ). I think my machine might be fast enough that I won't be able to notice any difference but I might go openbox on another system I have with xubuntu atm.

[david_2001]

It's still a computer that could contain "Private Information".
I encrypt all of the "sensitive" information on my PC. Do you? Watch out, there's a thief about... ;-)

[david_2001]

Here's mine:
wheel dbus hal network video audio optical storage camera users
I'm in disk, lp, wheel, video, audio, optical, floppy ('cos I still have one), storage, camera, scanner, vboxusers and usb. I also keep a spare account for stuff that I don't want or need to backup regularly and add my main user to the group assigned to that account.

Just to comment on sudo. I used to have root enabled on other distros, but I found it useless. Really, what was the point? I don't think it's a Windows mindset, since I have left it 2 years ago now, and I didn't want Linux to behave the same way, I like the difference.
I only think it's annoying to type a difficult password everytime, and using sudo reminds me when I'm doing admin stuff. I don't think typing a password makes much of a difference. Also the system organisation is much different from Windows, with all the permissions system.
I think using sudo without password is a lot different than using the root account as a user. I also think disabling the root account is safer, because the root username is always the same, thus easier for a potential abuser to focus on the password only.
From my perspective, the problem with Windows is that it's only really usable as a personal computer operating system if you log in as an administrator. This gives you instant rights to change anything or install a virus without further authentication. Use sudo even with root disabled and you have to enter a password to make administrative changes, so there's still some control.

[smartboyathome]

I am looking into Arch, but am wondering if there is a way to convert debian packages to arch packages (possibly using alien, like when converting rpms to debs)? I would like this because I use the e17-cvs package available on these forums, and would like to stay up to date on e17.

[Frak]

Here's mine:
wheel dbus hal network video audio optical storage camera users

Just to comment on sudo. I used to have root enabled on other distros, but I found it useless. Really, what was the point? I don't think it's a Windows mindset, since I have left it 2 years ago now, and I didn't want Linux to behave the same way, I like the difference.
I only think it's annoying to type a difficult password everytime, and using sudo reminds me when I'm doing admin stuff. I don't think typing a password makes much of a difference. Also the system organisation is much different from Windows, with all the permissions system.
I think using sudo without password is a lot different than using the root account as a user. I also think disabling the root account is safer, because the root username is always the same, thus easier for a potential abuser to focus on the password only.
I agree, there is no reason for root to be enabled. I just use sudo.

[Frak]

I encrypt all of the "sensitive" information on my PC. Do you? Watch out, there's a thief about... ;-)
I use the wallet, so yes, my information is encrypted. Though, I still don't take chances, since there is currently no encryption available for normal users that is strong enough.

[RedSquirrel]

I'm hoping adding "storage" makes my USB woes disappear. Any other suggestions?

Yeah, "storage" would be a good idea.

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Group


With regard to sudo, I haven't bothered to install it. I just use 'su -c' if I want to run something without actually having to switch to root. It's not as nice as sudo in some ways, but I'm managing just fine. ;)

[crimesaucer]

I am looking into Arch, but am wondering if there is a way to convert debian packages to arch packages (possibly using alien, like when converting rpms to debs)? I would like this because I use the e17-cvs package available on these forums, and would like to stay up to date on e17.

Check this out: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/E17

[K.Mandla]

Thanks everybody. For my own part, I sometimes run with sudo, sometimes not. I started with Ubuntu and sudo, so sometimes it feels creepy to do things without it. On the other hand, I don't have it when I'm setting up Arch, and so I do get used to just doing whatever I want. :|

[pelle.k]

And on the third hand (hehe) if you already are building packages as root, you should be ashamed of your selves, you naughty boys and girls (i like naughty girls though...)

This is how all the kool kids do it. With fakeroot and sudo of course. :popcorn:
~/kool-package$ makepkg -S

[smartboyathome]

Check this out: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/E17

Awesome, thanks for the link! I have the ISO and will try it out soon! :)

[Dimitriid]

I don't get sudo, typing su -c is just as easy. Having different passwords does not hurt and is not inconvenient for when you want to grant access to others.

In any case, openbox/fluxbox/other minimalist WM what is your preferred panel? I installed fbpanel but I don't like the look on the clock too much. I heard a lot about pypanel but the one on pacman repos refuses to even launch.

[K.Mandla]

I use no-panel which is quick and painless to set up. Configuration files are practically nonexistent and best of all no-panel doesn't burden the system nearly as much as other panel applications. :p

In all seriousness though, when I want a panel I use lxpanel. Pypanel is pretty, but takes too much time to configure. fbpanel is nice because you can run a top and bottom panel, but is a royal pain in the behind to configure. And after that ... are there any I'm missing?

[Dimitriid]

How can you get xterm to change colors by default? Its hard to read when changing certain things on nano on the defaults, and sometimes I like terminals with a background ( not sure if its possible on regular xterm )

Might just change the Menu to display only gnome-terminal instead. I might go without a panel cause I mainly just need a clock :D Whats a good clock desklet?

[finferflu]

How can you get xterm to change colors by default? Its hard to read when changing certain things on nano on the defaults, and sometimes I like terminals with a background ( not sure if its possible on regular xterm )

Might just change the Menu to display only gnome-terminal instead. I might go without a panel cause I mainly just need a clock :D Whats a good clock desklet?
You might as well use conky...

[finferflu]

Just a question: does any of you find any improvement in performance using OpenBox only over Gnome+OpenBox? It doesn't seem noticeable to me.
It's just that I'm not satisfied with the speed, it looks like my machine is dying slowly, otherwise I really can't understand what's going on... My CPU usage goes 100% too often.. I'm blaming browsers and Pidgin for that, but I'm not sure it's entirely due to them... The fact is that having just Pidgin and Epiphany open, sometimes slows down the system so much that there is a big delay when I type...
I have a Pentium 4, 2.60Ghz, 512MB RAM, I think I can expect more from it.
Time for a clean reinstall? Please, no.

[raul_]

Just a question: does any of you find any improvement in performance using OpenBox only over Gnome+OpenBox? It doesn't seem noticeable to me.
It's just that I'm not satisfied with the speed, it looks like my machine is dying slowly, otherwise I really can't understand what's going on... My CPU usage goes 100% too often.. I'm blaming browsers and Pidgin for that, but I'm not sure it's entirely due to them... The fact is that having just Pidgin and Epiphany open, sometimes slows down the system so much that there is a big delay when I type...
I have a Pentium 4, 2.60Ghz, 512MB RAM, I think I can expect more from it.
Time for a clean reinstall? Please, no.

use "top" to see what's eating up your cpu

[K.Mandla]

Just a question: does any of you find any improvement in performance using OpenBox only over Gnome+OpenBox? It doesn't seem noticeable to me.
It's just that I'm not satisfied with the speed, it looks like my machine is dying slowly, otherwise I really can't understand what's going on... My CPU usage goes 100% too often.. I'm blaming browsers and Pidgin for that, but I'm not sure it's entirely due to them... The fact is that having just Pidgin and Epiphany open, sometimes slows down the system so much that there is a big delay when I type...
I have a Pentium 4, 2.60Ghz, 512MB RAM, I think I can expect more from it.
Time for a clean reinstall? Please, no.
Something is not right there. I'd check what you have running in the background, or maybe check your hardware.

[finferflu]

I don't know, I actually did a clean reinstall (keeping my home though), and when I opened Firefox the system trashed. Uber-slowness. Now I don't know if I have to blame Firefox. I have deleted the .mozilla folder in my home and it was a bit faster, but still too slow. I really don't understand. With Epiphany it's a bit better but I would expect more. Could it be related to some of my configs in my home? Or is just my machine getting old and dying slowly?
I tried with top, atop, htop, and it seems like Firefox uses about 30-50% of RAM average, X sometimes goes up to 80% of the CPU.

Update
Well, I think there was something wrong with my xorg.conf. I have reset it to the default hwd config and it's working fine now. I wish I knew an optimal configuration for my video card. I think I could still improve performance, but I don't know where to look for instructions...

[raul_]

I don't know, I actually did a clean reinstall (keeping my home though), and when I opened Firefox the system trashed. Uber-slowness. Now I don't know if I have to blame Firefox. I have deleted the .mozilla folder in my home and it was a bit faster, but still too slow. I really don't understand. With Epiphany it's a bit better but I would expect more. Could it be related to some of my configs in my home? Or is just my machine getting old and dying slowly?
I tried with top, atop, htop, and it seems like Firefox uses about 30-50% of RAM average, X sometimes goes up to 80% of the CPU.

Update
Well, I think there was something wrong with my xorg.conf. I have reset it to the default hwd config and it's working fine now. I wish I knew an optimal configuration for my video card. I think I could still improve performance, but I don't know where to look for instructions...

what's your video card?

[finferflu]

An ATI Radeon Mobilty 7500.

[Enverex]

That's a very old and rather weak card. If you're using the radeon or ati driver in xorg.conf (compared to vesa) then you pretty much have the best performance you're going to get.

[finferflu]

Thanks for the info Enverex, not really a good news, but good to know. Yes, I am using the radeon driver. Responsiveness is not that bad, but if I could have more I would have been even happier. I'll just give up hoping now.

The only odd thing remaining now is that even though my resolution is set to 1024x768 in xorg.conf, it keeps displaying at 1400x1050. Odd...

[david_2001]

Update
Well, I think there was something wrong with my xorg.conf. I have reset it to the default hwd config and it's working fine now. I wish I knew an optimal configuration for my video card. I think I could still improve performance, but I don't know where to look for instructions...
ATi cards are totally outside my experience but there are a whole load of suggestions on the Gentoo Wiki page here (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_DRI_with_ATi_Open-Source_Drivers). You could try a few and see whether they have a positive effect. Also just check through your xorg.conf to see that the rest is sensible and simple - I cannot say that I was overly impressed by the default that hwd came up with for my nVidia GeForce 7100 GS and the only part I've kept substantially intact is the Files section.

[finferflu]

Thanks for that link, but curiously, applying all those changes seems to make things worse. The default configuration that hwd provides seems to be the faster. When I add those options in windows are drawn slowly...

[david_2001]

Thanks for that link, but curiously, applying all those changes seems to make things worse. The default configuration that hwd provides seems to be the faster. When I add those options in windows are drawn slowly...
Well at least you tried. Looks as though you will have to put up with what you have :-(

[RedSquirrel]

With regard to sudo (once again :)), I haven't had the need to build too many packages so far. The main one for me is Fluxbox SVN, but I simply installed its dependencies up front (as root). With that taken care of, I can build it as my regular user, and then install it as root.


openbox/fluxbox/other minimalist WM what is your preferred panel?

On Fluxbox I'm currently using the default toolbar. For quite a while I used no-panel and no-toolbar and I just had fbpager+conky to give me some idea of what was going on.


How can you get xterm to change colors by default? Its hard to read when changing certain things on nano on the defaults, and sometimes I like terminals with a background ( not sure if its possible on regular xterm )

No, you can't have backgrounds with xterm. Here is a link for xterm colours. I'm using the ones listed at the bottom of the page. ;)

http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Linux_Colors_in_Aterm/rxvt

[LinuxGuy1234]

I'm downloading the ISO now.

EDIT: Done.

[smartboyathome]

:( The ISO doesn't even come graphically... I couldn't figure out which partition it thought each of my drives was...

[raul_]

:( The ISO doesn't even come graphically... I couldn't figure out which partition it thought each of my drives was...

Yeah, the installation is hardcore :)

it's just the environment that scares you, because it's pretty straightforward.
I have to say that I NEVER used the Arch partitioner. in fact, I have my own Gparted Live cd (it's worth burning it) and always create my partitions there, write them down, and then i know what to do.

But, you should be able to identify partitions for their type / size through the partition manager

[Frak]

Yeah, the installation is hardcore :)

it's just the environment that scares you, because it's pretty straightforward.
I have to say that I NEVER used the Arch partitioner. in fact, I have my own Gparted Live cd (it's worth burning it) and always create my partitions there, write them down, and then i know what to do.

But, you should be able to identify partitions for their type / size through the partition manager
I agree, I find the Arch installer very "Get it, Get it done, Get it done now" in it's look and functionality. Something I like.

[crimesaucer]

:( The ISO doesn't even come graphically... I couldn't figure out which partition it thought each of my drives was...

Yo, here is a link to a good "HOWTO" for everyting you need to know about the install.


It has screenshots of almost every step, and if you have a 2nd computer, just follow the steps from it and you should have it installed in no time:

http://www.raiden.net/?cat=&aid=276


... If you are like me, and you only have one computer and no access to anyone else's internet or computer... then you can always write the instructions down... word for word ... and follow them.


The only instruction on that whole list I didn't like was the UTC time, I preferred the default localtime setting because I had trouble with the UTC setting.


Oh yeah, pick nano if you don't know vi, and here are some nano commands that help:

http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.0/nano.html

[smartboyathome]

Thanks Crimesaucer. I will try this in a few days (gonna be busy) and report back with what happens.

[crimesaucer]

Thanks Crimesaucer. I will try this in a few days (gonna be busy) and report back with what happens.

Cool.

[Dimitriid]

Im trying to put gnome on a ram diet by tweaking it atm. Openbox looks very good as a window manager inside gnome, but I like the gnome panel. What I wanna ditch though is nautilus in favor of thunar. Another alternative im considering is using xfce but then ditching its panel for gnome-panel.

I know this ( thunar replacing nautilus ) has been done on this forums for Ubuntu, im just wondering if I could do it in Arch in this mini gnomemod thing im trying. I tried running just openbox and gnome-panel and my panel but gnome still launches nautilus for all file management which is self defeating so I'd have to either change all menus or just change the behavior ( certainly easier ).

[fwojciec]

Im trying to put gnome on a ram diet by tweaking it atm. Openbox looks very good as a window manager inside gnome, but I like the gnome panel. What I wanna ditch though is nautilus in favor of thunar. Another alternative im considering is using xfce but then ditching its panel for gnome-panel.

I know this ( thunar replacing nautilus ) has been done on this forums for Ubuntu, im just wondering if I could do it in Arch in this mini gnomemod thing im trying. I tried running just openbox and gnome-panel and my panel but gnome still launches nautilus for all file management which is self defeating so I'd have to either change all menus or just change the behavior ( certainly easier ).

It this is what you're trying to do then I would just start regular openbox session with "gnome-panel&" and "thunar --daemon&" run from ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh. Gnome panel is pretty much a stand-alone application so you should be able to use it with any WM/DE. You need to run thunar as daemon in case you use hal and need automounting and such. Since in gnome nautilus takes care of desktop management you will need some other things for configuring themes (gtk-chtheme for example), choosing wallpaper (feh or nitrogen for example) and such but that shouldn't be a problem. You might also need to run dbus - check the default openbox autostart.sh for an example of how to run it so it exits with session.

[Dimitriid]

Whats a good gnome menu editor? I want to at least have that menu use Thunar instead of nautilus.

[Frak]

Whats a good gnome menu editor? I want to at least have that menu use Thunar instead of nautilus.
alacarte

[crimesaucer]

Im trying to put gnome on a ram diet by tweaking it atm. Openbox looks very good as a window manager inside gnome, but I like the gnome panel. What I wanna ditch though is nautilus in favor of thunar. Another alternative im considering is using xfce but then ditching its panel for gnome-panel.

I know this ( thunar replacing nautilus ) has been done on this forums for Ubuntu, im just wondering if I could do it in Arch in this mini gnomemod thing im trying. I tried running just openbox and gnome-panel and my panel but gnome still launches nautilus for all file management which is self defeating so I'd have to either change all menus or just change the behavior ( certainly easier ).

Funny, I just did the same thing by going back to xfwm4 instead of Compiz Fusion.

I can't believe how much more responsive and light everything feels now. Firefox 3 prebeta 2 Minefield is so fast now. All my apps pop up instantly... and I'm not using any of my SWAP file now.

[adam.tropics]

Hey,

Has anyone here gotten compiz etc running with catalyst and xorg-xserver-1.4?? (AIGLX) Or doeas anyone know where you get older packages, like 1.3?!

[mthakur2006]

i'd so love to try it out but i just can't cuz the installer just hangs when it detects my wireless card :(

[raul_]

Hey,

Has anyone here gotten compiz etc running with catalyst and xorg-xserver-1.4?? (AIGLX) Or doeas anyone know where you get older packages, like 1.3?!

Not working here, got back to the open source driver.

I can't help you about downgrading because I don't use Ubuntu anymore, but google for "Ubuntu Downgrading a package". If I remember correctly:

Synaptic -> select the xorg package -> force version

[floke]

i'd so love to try it out but i just can't cuz the installer just hangs when it detects my wireless card :(

What hangs for you - Arch? Which wireless card do you have - mine's a 3945 intel pro and works fine - maybe you have the wrong driver or configuration?

[mthakur2006]

What hangs for you - Arch? Which wireless card do you have - mine's a 3945 intel pro and works fine - maybe you have the wrong driver or configuration?

mine's intel 2945 and when i put the cd in and press enter at start, it says a lot of stuff and then says wireless card intel 2945 abg and just freezes there. :(

[floke]

Hmm. How long does it hang for? It 'could' be trying to establish a connection so you could wait and see if it times out? Failing that...you could try the Arch forum to see if anyone there has any clues. You might be able to pass something to the kernel at boot to get around it - maybe noeth or something. Its worth exploring the options, though sorry I can't be of more assistance (I don't have a cd to hand so can't see what's available).

EDIT - Someone called Cems has your laptop running Arch - see here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=289381
You could drop them a line?

[Tenken]

How long does it hang? My Intel 2100 appeared to hang, but I just takes a minute to load.

Edit: you can pass it intel-wireless at the boot screen but I'm not sure it that applies to your card...

[mthakur2006]

thanks guys :D
i'll have a look and let u know.

[adam.tropics]

Not working here, got back to the open source driver.

I can't help you about downgrading because I don't use Ubuntu anymore, but google for "Ubuntu Downgrading a package". If I remember correctly:

Synaptic -> select the xorg package -> force version

My mistake, should explain things better! On ubuntu all is fine, including Catalyst and compiz, but problem is on Arch, never mind, will find it somewhere I'm sure.

[raul_]

My mistake, should explain things better! On ubuntu all is fine, including Catalyst and compiz, but problem is on Arch, never mind, will find it somewhere I'm sure.

I completely forgot the name of the thread :)

Downgrading a package in Arch is tricky, that's the price you pay for being bleeding edge. I did downgrade Xorg ONCE, but it got upgraded again, and since then I couldn't do it anymore.

Just for curiosity, the packages you install (or download from pacman) are stored in /var/pacman/packages or something like that. You can cd to that directory, and then "pacman -U <package_name>".
Of course that this only works if you haven't cleared the cache since you installed the package to which you want to downgrade.

You can try downgrading. It broke X for me, but a pacman -S xorg-server upgraded it again. Bad things can happen though (I think)

[floke]

I completely forgot the name of the thread :)

Downgrading a package in Arch is tricky, that's the price you pay for being bleeding edge. I did downgrade Xorg ONCE, but it got upgraded again, and since then I couldn't do it anymore.

Just for curiosity, the packages you install (or download from pacman) are stored in /var/pacman/packages or something like that. You can cd to that directory, and then "pacman -U <package_name>".
Of course that this only works if you haven't cleared the cache since you installed the package to which you want to downgrade.

You can try downgrading. It broke X for me, but a pacman -S xorg-server upgraded it again. Bad things can happen though (I think)

Actually it's easy - you just add the name of the packages to avoid 're'upgrading to the ignore line in your /etc/pacman.conf. As long as you don't clear your cache then its as easy as doing a pacman -A [package].

[raul_]

Actually it's easy - you just add the name of the packages to avoid 're'upgrading to the ignore line in your /etc/pacman.conf. As long as you don't clear your cache then its as easy as doing a pacman -A [package].

It's easy keeping it ;) I didn't know that then

[PurposeOfReason]

I'm posting this here because the archlinux forums seem to be a bit slow right now. I was messing around with alsa and replaced /lib/modules/2.6.23-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko with a different one, obviously one that I shouldn't have and being stupid, I didn't make a backup so now I get this whenever I try to play sound:
FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.23-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

I've reinstalled alsa with pacman -S alsa-lib alsa utils but to no avail. What would I have to go about doing to restore it? Or if you just have the same sound controller, attach your file.


Thanks.

[PurposeOfReason]

Actually, recompiling the alsa driver did it, but I'm still not where I want. When I used Gutsy, I followed this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3844121&postcount=2) and it got my headphones to work where nothing else would. The only problem is the part right here:
sudo install -v -m644 pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel

There is obviously no ubuntu folder and all my browsing of /lib/modules/2.6.23-ARCH couldn't find anything similar.

[raul_]

sudo updatedb
locate <whatever you want>


you'll have to install the locate package in case it's not installed

just in case:


[raul@osiris ~]$ locate hda-intel
/lib/modules/2.6.23-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko

[PurposeOfReason]

Thanks, I was able to do that, but now my headphones don't work at all. Aumix used to show the PCM level and now it doesn't so I think that may be related; however, I still can control PCM with alsamixer.

[K.Mandla]

Anyone ever run into errors trying to set up abs?

I get weird FTP errors -- "Invalid PROTO command from server," or something like that -- and the command bombs. Wha ... ?

It's a little frustrating, although with yaourt I just grab the PKGBUILD manually, then makepkg. Not as pretty, but it's working.

Can anybody help?

[Rumor]

Anyone ever run into errors trying to set up abs?


My tree updated fine this morning and I built unace from it without any errors.

maybe compare the PKGBUILD from your abs directory with the one from the AUR and see if they both point to the same source url? I'm sort of grasping at straws here, but it is the only thing I can think of.

[k0rfain]

arch is a very good distro.. Its one of my favorites now, Its very quick, light weighted, its just an all around good distro to try.

[voteforpedro36]

I have downloaded Arch, and am ready to install. One question:

How do I go about putting Arch into a seperate partition? I see an option for an install that selects a hard drive to install on, does that mean partition (sorry haven't ran the installer yet)?

I will have to disconnect the phone, however, to have a wired connection so I can download the firmware for my Broadcom card, so it will be a while before I do this (a couple of hours, maybe more)...

[Rumor]

I have downloaded Arch, and am ready to install. One question:

How do I go about putting Arch into a seperate partition? I see an option for an install that selects a hard drive to install on, does that mean partition (sorry haven't ran the installer yet)?


I'm guessing you mean separate so that you can dual boot?

You're a few options. You could boot the computer using the GParted live cd and set up your partitions using the existing free space on your hard drive. So if you're running Ubuntu, resize Ubuntu's / partition to free up some space for Arch. Then make two partitions, one for / and one for /home. Write down their new names as you'll need them for installing Arch. Then bot the Arch Cd and go into the setup. At the step for preparing the hard drive, select the option to choose file system mount points. Select your existing swap and then the new partitions for / and /home and proceed from there.

You can do the same thing from within Arch's installer. Choose to manually partition the disk and do the above steps when the installer takes you into cfdisk.

If you are dual booting, you might want to install Arch's boot loader (Grub) somewhere other than the mbr, then boot into your normal OS and edit your existing bootloader to include options for Arch.

[PurposeOfReason]

Can anybody help me with gfx-boot? I've seen two ways to do it, one with PKGBUILD and the other by adding it go /etc/pacman.conf. The laster just tells me a bunch of files already exist and can't install and with the PKGBUILD method, I can't make the patch file.

Then I'll probably be back for gensplash if I get stuck there.

EDIT - And a way to control the PCM volume with keyboard shortcuts through alsamixer or something else lightweight.

[voteforpedro36]

I'm guessing you mean separate so that you can dual boot?

You're a few options. You could boot the computer using the GParted live cd and set up your partitions using the existing free space on your hard drive. So if you're running Ubuntu, resize Ubuntu's / partition to free up some space for Arch. Then make two partitions, one for / and one for /home. Write down their new names as you'll need them for installing Arch. Then bot the Arch Cd and go into the setup. At the step for preparing the hard drive, select the option to choose file system mount points. Select your existing swap and then the new partitions for / and /home and proceed from there.

You can do the same thing from within Arch's installer. Choose to manually partition the disk and do the above steps when the installer takes you into cfdisk.

If you are dual booting, you might want to install Arch's boot loader (Grub) somewhere other than the mbr, then boot into your normal OS and edit your existing bootloader to include options for Arch.


Huh... I already have an empty partition, could I just format that (it's only 10 GB), and use it as both / and /home? I don't have another CD, although I could try the Ubuntu 7.04 one (7.10 stopped working, dunno why).

Or, I could use Arch's, but how hard is it to use in text-mode?

OK, in addition to that, here's what I've thought up, anyone wanna tell me how it will work out?
512MB- swap
13GB- Ubuntu (is that enough?)
13GB-Arch (once again, enough?)
~ 10GB- /home that I'll figure out how to share between both?

Anyone wanna tell me what would be better and how to do it in Arch's installer?

[K.Mandla]

My tree updated fine this morning and I built unace from it without any errors.

maybe compare the PKGBUILD from your abs directory with the one from the AUR and see if they both point to the same source url? I'm sort of grasping at straws here, but it is the only thing I can think of.
Thanks, it must be something on my end. I have a feeling it's my network; I may have to mess with my router to make things work. Sigh.

[pelle.k]

13GB- Ubuntu (is that enough?)
13GB-Arch (once again, enough?)
~ 10GB- /home that I'll figure out how to share between both?
Shring /home is possible, but a bad idea i'm afraid.

Generally, 10GB should be more than enough for the root (/) partitions.

Make a dedicated partition, and mount it in both OS:es, if you wan't to share files between them.

[Rumor]

512MB- swap
13GB- Ubuntu (is that enough?)
13GB-Arch (once again, enough?)
~ 10GB- /home that I'll figure out how to share between both?

Anyone wanna tell me what would be better and how to do it in Arch's installer?

As pelle.k has said, you don't want to share /home between distros.

If you currently have an OS on your computer that you want to keep, then download / burn / boot the GParted Live CD http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/.

Set up that empty 10 gig partition as
One partition of 7.5 gigs to use as / for Arch format ext3 or reiserfs
One partition of 2.5 gigs to use as /home in Arch, format as ext3 or reiserfs

When you run the Arch installer, you'll need to know those partitions' names (hdb,c or sdb,c or whatever) AND your swap partition's name. Set the file system mount points for swap, /, and /home and install away!

[Dimitriid]

Any clue as to why obmenu doesn't saves correctly? Im trying to put a few things on it and it correctly shows me the applications I wanna open on the menu now but they wont open. I tried putting the full path ( /usr/bin/exaile ) or just the bin name ( exaile ) and even using the ... thing to select the path to it.

Each time I save it and close obmenu, its gone. Its not saving the change or pointing to my apps.

[K.Mandla]

Is it saving to ~/.config/openbox/ ? Can you write to that directory? Are you running it as root and saving the configuration file to the root account?

Just ideas.

[PurposeOfReason]

What would be the best option for a boot splash? I've seen a lot of options for one and all I'm really looking for is something simple and clean looking, but still able to see the part of the text where it becomes colorful in case something goes wrong. If that makes sense.

[pelle.k]

Yeah, like in fedoras RHGB, or like ubuntu did it before feisty. Why is this hidden (in most distros) nowadays?!
Of course you want to know if a daemeon fails executing! :/

[Dimitriid]

Is it saving to ~/.config/openbox/ ? Can you write to that directory? Are you running it as root and saving the configuration file to the root account?

Just ideas.

Yep. Even ran it as root and still no go. But by now I used menu maker and its good, has most of my stuff.

I also saw something wicked I think you might use, know about or at least be interested in:
http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB

I stayed up like 5 hours into the night trying to install it. It says it has the packages in AUR and at first, I installed the wrong ones. Then I tried the right ones. Then I ran into many little things I did not have ( make, automake, autoconf, etc. ) Then I had to figure out the order to solve dependencies correctly.( I think its linux-fusion, directfb, cairo-dfb and then at the very end gtk-dfb )

When it was all said and done, gtk-dfb compilation just failed, neither AUR PKGBUILD works. I thought about trying it from source directly ( no AUR/pacman ) but I don't want to have to go through hell uninstalling later and plus it was like 7 am. Plus at the end of the wiki to compile yourself it says you have to recompile any GTK app you want to use on framebuffer with a special setting...not sure if true and/or needed for the packages too im not clear on that. But it would be a pain to reinstall so many GTK apps.

But the idea of running something like Gimp or Epiphany without even starting x really caught my attention. You could just uninstall Xorg altogether :guitar:

[lpb331]

I was wondering if any of you had this issue. I installed OpenOffice 2.3.1 on Arch, but when I try to open it, I get this warning:


[b@b ~]$ /opt/openoffice/program/soffice
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x58


and then it never opens. Any suggestions? (I have an ATI Radeon 7500.)

[herbster]

Just finished installing and setting up Arch linux over the weekend-- was a massive snowstorm here, wasn't going anywhere :D

Really, really love it. Have learned so much in 2 days installing and configuring it, it really forces you to go under the hood, and I needed it. Pacman works like a charm, boot time is a bit quicker than Ubuntu and I have a bunch of daemons in /etc/rc.conf. Still have a bunch of stuff to tweak and whatnot, but it's sweet so far :)

[K.Mandla]

I also saw something wicked I think you might use, know about or at least be interested in:
http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB
...
Oooh! Thanks for the tip. I might mess with that this weekend. :D

[adam.tropics]

Have any of you guys got vmware (just vmplayer) to run in Arch with the .23 kernel? Every time I try to run the configure script and then run vmplayer, it tells me I need to run the configure script! Not desperate..just irritating.

Also though, just having a look at the traffic on the other os subfora, do you guys think Arch deserves a subforum of its own?? (As with Fedora, Slackware, Gentoo et al)

[Dimitriid]

Well its not really a "mother" distro ( a distro that branches off many other major and minor ones ) But then again think having one really big thread is worst on the server than several smaller ones.

[K.Mandla]

Also though, just having a look at the traffic on the other os subfora, do you guys think Arch deserves a subforum of its own?? (As with Fedora, Slackware, Gentoo et al)
The staff has discussed it, but for now this thread suffices.

[fwojciec]

Have any of you guys got vmware (just vmplayer) to run in Arch with the .23 kernel? Every time I try to run the configure script and then run vmplayer, it tells me I need to run the configure script! Not desperate..just irritating.

This tends to be a probelm with Arch or rather, in fact, with Vmware because Arch generally uses the latest kernel and Vmware tends to take some time to come up with patches that assure compatibility with the current state of kernel development. I don't know what the issue is with the .23 kernel since I haven't had the need to use vmware for a while. A generic suggestion would be to make sure that you use the latest any-to-any patch in order to build the necessary vmware modules whenever there is a kernel change. Or you could try virtualbox instead, though I don't know if it's any better than vmware in this regard... If vmware is an important element of the system for you another distro, one that is more conservative when it comes to kernel updates might be a better choice for you.

[voteforpedro36]

...so I tried to install Arch. Things went bad, as in GRUB just repeated it's name 480324038204 times. No joke. Now again I tried the FTP install, after 3 hours and 2 packages that didn't download, it boots to the text "GRUB", and that's all. Anybody have any kind of an idea what may be wrong? Please?

I just tried to boot from the Arch CD itself (arch root=/dev/sda3 at boot option), and it said:
kinit: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly.
kinit: init not found!
Kernal Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

Then it froze. Yeah... it's my only install on the computer (I used the default option). Any ideas?

PS: I'm having bad luck today. First Arch did that, then the Debian CD I burned (last CD I had too...) had a defect (burned at 4x too), then Ubuntu 7.10 froze while loading, and 7.04 wouldn't load either. Wow.

[PurposeOfReason]

For those running arch on a laptop, what do you use to dim the screen when the cord isn't connected? Laptop_mode didn't go too smooth with me.

[Tenken]

I'm running Arch on my laptop and the screen dims automatically when it switches to battery. I'm not using any extra mods with my kernel or any special laptop tools, but my laptop is ~4 years old.

[kpkeerthi]

For those running arch on a laptop, what do you use to dim the screen when the cord isn't connected? Laptop_mode didn't go too smooth with me.

Nothing. The screen does dim for me. The screen power management is part of the display driver, if I am correct. I have nvidia driver installed.. btw.

[PurposeOfReason]

Well it's an intel x3000, latest driver and everything but it's not that supported . . .

[PurposeOfReason]

After the last update xbacklight works and I got it all going. But on the other hand, could someone help me patch my kernel? I'm looking at the fallen patchset and I assumed it'd be as simple as running a simple patch -p1 etc. but many of the tutorials I find around say a lot more than that and others, just that.

[g2g591]

I installed through Ubuntu (pacman.static -S core -r /newarch) so I don't have any experiance with the official installer, but I like it, its lightweight, and is very easy to configure, and I can easily compile from source whatever official package I want (apt-get source package isn't that easy)

[raul_]

I installed through Ubuntu (pacman.static -S core -r /newarch) so I don't have any experiance with the official installer, but I like it, its lightweight, and is very easy to configure, and I can easily compile from source whatever official package I want (apt-get source package isn't that easy)

How did you do that? sounds fun!

[kpkeerthi]

How did you do that? sounds fun!

See Install Arch from within another distro (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Arch_from_within_another_distro)

[miggols99]

After the last update xbacklight works and I got it all going. But on the other hand, could someone help me patch my kernel? I'm looking at the fallen patchset and I assumed it'd be as simple as running a simple patch -p1 etc. but many of the tutorials I find around say a lot more than that and others, just that.

The fallen patchset is unmaintained now. You could try the Zen kernel patchset.

[K.Mandla]

Well it's an intel x3000, latest driver and everything but it's not that supported . . .
I think you might want the X settings for DPMS, which controls the screen timeout and power down for the monitor. That should run independent of the driver.

Under the "Monitor" section of your xorg.conf, try adding this:

Option "DPMS"

And under the “ServerLayout” section, add these lines:

Option "BlankTime" "3"
Option "OffTime" "5"

Those variables set the time in minutes it takes the screen to go blank, and the time it takes for screen (or in my case, the laptop panel) to be turned off completely. Restart X, and see if you like the results.

There're more ideas here (http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html) (old page, but still good).
The fallen patchset is unmaintained now. You could try the Zen kernel patchset.
Is that the zen-git kernel I keep hearing about? I saw that and glanced over it, then wondered if I should try it out. I tried the ck kernel back when it was all the rage, but got little improvement from it. Is zen worth the effort?

[fwojciec]

Is that the zen-git kernel I keep hearing about? I saw that and glanced over it, then wondered if I should try it out. I tried the ck kernel back when it was all the rage, but got little improvement from it. Is zen worth the effort?

I used to be into all these kernels with funky patchsets but recently I've become much more conservative. In my experience performance benefits are negligible and I much prefer the stability of the current kernel. I still compile my own version of the Arch kernel because I need to add a patch so that my Ipod doesn't take 5 minutes to mount, but once that patch gets integrated into the kernel I think I'll use the standard kernel exclusively.

In general, I've found that the closer to the defaults I stay the more stable my system is -- this seems to be a good strategy, especially when using a rolling release distro, since all updates, even the tricky ones that cause a lot of trouble and grief for others, seem to go very smoothly on my systems.

It's almost as if using Arch has changed my attitude to customization: in Windows, and also in Ubuntu, I felt the need to customize everything because a particular default was imposed on me; on Arch, because my system is customized to begin with, I find that I standardize things instead of customizing -- since it makes my life easier in the long run. I'm still open to new ideas, new solutions, and new ways of doing the tasks I do on my computers, but the way I end up implementing these solutions is by trying to make them as simple, transparent, and as close to the default as possible.

[PurposeOfReason]

I've yet to receive an answer for this at the archlinux forums so I'll ask it here too. I've set my cursor with ~/.Xdefaults, the default icon method, and both at the same time. No matter what I do, the cursor will go to the default pixel black one while bon echo loads a page. After the page is loaded, or I move the cursor over the desktop, it goes back.

Using the whiteglass cursor if it matters.

EDIT - It was the cursor theme. Tried a different one and it worked fine.

EDIT EDIT + RANT = all the good themes do it. Whiteglass, simpleandsoft. How would I go about editing a cursor theme?

[PurposeOfReason]

As I have an OCD about posting solutions, I got this one figured out. After editing the xdefaults and the index.theme file, copy all cursors to ~/.icons. Then go to the theme you're using, ~/.icons/simpleandsoft/cursors in my case, and run
ln -s left_ptr_watch 08e8e1c95fe2fc01f976f1e063a24ccd
Do this again in the old directory of /usr/share/icons/simpleandsoft/cursors/ and everything is fixed.

[jseiser]

Ok, my desktop runs arch perfectly, my laptop has trouble with the drivers. Could you guy please look at my post, and see if you can offer some help :)

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=41297

[RedSquirrel]

I've yet to receive an answer for this at the archlinux forums so I'll ask it here too. I've set my cursor with ~/.Xdefaults, the default icon method, and both at the same time. No matter what I do, the cursor will go to the default pixel black one while bon echo loads a page. After the page is loaded, or I move the cursor over the desktop, it goes back.

Using the whiteglass cursor if it matters.

I'm using xcursor-vanilla-dmz-aa and I don't have that problem. All I did was install the package and add the following to ~/.Xdefaults:

Xcursor.theme: Vanilla-DMZ-AA

[Dimitriid]

Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.Now this is a bit odd, I just reinstalled Arch on my laptop and wanted to just have it with openbox and a few gnome apps but no gnome. I tried to install firefox and I just can't seem to open it, I just get bash: command: firefox not fount. I installed firefox normally with "pacman -S firefox". I tried looking for the bin to no avail,tried to launch bonecho, Firefox, etc. Just wont start . I still haven't set up menus or icons so i have to start things from xterm.

Any clues?

[kellemes]

Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.Now this is a bit odd, I just reinstalled Arch on my laptop and wanted to just have it with openbox and a few gnome apps but no gnome. I tried to install firefox and I just can't seem to open it, I just get bash: command: firefox not fount. I installed firefox normally with "pacman -S firefox". I tried looking for the bin to no avail,tried to launch bonecho, Firefox, etc. Just wont start . I still haven't set up menus or icons so i have to start things from xterm.

Any clues?

updatedb
locate firefox

[K.Mandla]

Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.Now this is a bit odd, I just reinstalled Arch on my laptop and wanted to just have it with openbox and a few gnome apps but no gnome. I tried to install firefox and I just can't seem to open it, I just get bash: command: firefox not fount. I installed firefox normally with "pacman -S firefox". I tried looking for the bin to no avail,tried to launch bonecho, Firefox, etc. Just wont start . I still haven't set up menus or icons so i have to start things from xterm.

Any clues?
Yeah, I think it's somewhere in /opt, if I remember right.

[Rumor]

The default path is /opt/mozilla/bin/firefox, though just 'firefox' ought to launch it all the same.

[fwojciec]

Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.Now this is a bit odd, I just reinstalled Arch on my laptop and wanted to just have it with openbox and a few gnome apps but no gnome. I tried to install firefox and I just can't seem to open it, I just get bash: command: firefox not fount. I installed firefox normally with "pacman -S firefox". I tried looking for the bin to no avail,tried to launch bonecho, Firefox, etc. Just wont start . I still haven't set up menus or icons so i have to start things from xterm.

Any clues?

I suppose you got it working by now, but for future reference... In principle one should log out and back in after installing anything that ends up in opt - this is needed to update the paths. Alternatively you can so "source /etc/profile" which will take care of updating the paths as well since it executes the scripts in /etc/profile.d.

[jseiser]

heh, i had to scour the arch forums for the whole log in log out thing when i first installed :) They should add it to the wiki.

[Elvish Legion]

After giving arch a run I must say, I feel WAY over my head, and don't know any where near what I thought I did.

I was unable to get my wifi working and couldnt afford the time to play with it, maybe another time when I'm off of work.

The install was really pretty easy though.

[Dimitriid]

I got it working, now im using kdemod however both on kdemod and openbox, I getting a strange screen artifacts but only when I use firefox to specifically see this website.

Since I don't think I am going to use 3d much I might switch to the open source ati driver but it is strange...should I worry about heat?

[ynnhoj]

The default path is /opt/mozilla/bin/firefox, though just 'firefox' ought to launch it all the same.
i don't think your path gets updated upon installation, though..

it's already been covered, but... another way to find it would have been "whereis firefox". the whereis and which commands are handy.

[mips]

I started installing Arch on my laptop last night to see what all the whoha is about.

The installation is not that hard, just follow the guide. I had zero issues getting the base system, Xorg & kdemod installed. I really love the fact that the system is so light, it runs like snot on my 1.4GHz Celeron/512MB laptop. There is a bit to much text file editing for my liking but it is actually teaching me a lot.

kdemod is what kde should have been like, nice and modular. I just wish I could find a detailed list of what every single package does as I just installed the entire kdemod-kdepim by mistake and I don't need all that crap so I will have to remove/purge most of it.

I still have some way to go before my system is done but i'm taking my time with this one and actually enjoying building my own system.

Oh, pacman is also a breeze to use, just had some issues with the repositories timing out and one corrupted package. What KDE GUI can I use as a frontend for pacman? (makes it easier for me to browse packages)

I think Arch is going to be a keeper for me, especially on my laptop ;)

[fwojciec]

I started installing Arch on my laptop last night to see what all the whoha is about.

The installation is not that hard, just follow the guide. I had zero issues getting the base system, Xorg & kdemod installed. I really love the fact that the system is so light, it runs like snot on my 1.4GHz Celeron/512MB laptop. There is a bit to much text file editing for my liking but it is actually teaching me a lot.

kdemod is what kde should have been like, nice and modular. I just wish I could find a detailed list of what every single package does as I just installed the entire kdemod-kdepim by mistake and I don't need all that crap so I will have to remove/purge most of it.

I still have some way to go before my system is done but i'm taking my time with this one and actually enjoying building my own system.

Oh, pacman is also a breeze to use, just had some issues with the repositories timing out and one corrupted package. What KDE GUI can I use as a frontend for pacman? (makes it easier for me to browse packages)

I think Arch is going to be a keeper for me, especially on my laptop ;)

Welcome to Arch! :)

remove purge: pacman -Rscn [package name(s)] -- this will remove the package(s), everything it/they depends on (as long as it is not needed by other packages), everything that depends on the package(s), as well as any configuration files that were installed with the package. pacman -R --help for more info.

If the repos are no working right try using a different mirror. Mirror preferences are defined in files in the /etc/pacman.d directory - the one at the top is tried first. Some mirrors are definitely better than others.

As far as pacman frontends are concerned -- not sure about gui ones, but you could try yaourt (http://archlinux.fr/yaourt-en/), for example. It allows you to search repos and aur repo for keywords and installs packages from the repos + builds automatically from aur.

[eljoeb]

Oh, pacman is also a breeze to use, just had some issues with the repositories timing out and one corrupted package. What KDE GUI can I use as a frontend for pacman? (makes it easier for me to browse packages)

I just use the package browser on archlinux.org, or the package list on kdemod's site.

[Elvish Legion]

After giving arch a second go, a lot of wiki abuse, and a lot of abusing arch forums search button and a lot of ynnhoj's help I'm home!

For years I used ubuntu, suse 9.3, debian, pclinux or otherwords the "more user friendly" distros

When I first started arch, I Was over whelmed, in the short time I've used it, the command line is like a second home for me...I first installed a pacman front endand now don't use it (never mind the fact that its buggy) I just google to make sure I have the package name right and then pacman -Syu

Elvish

[herbster]

Thought I might share some pacman aliases in my .bashrc:

alias pacsearch="pacman -Sl | cut -d' ' -f2 | grep " #lets you search through all available packages simply using 'pacsearch packagename'
alias pacup="sudo pacman -Syu" # sudo pacman -Syu by typing pacup (sudo must be installed and configured first ;) )
alias pac="sudo pacman -S" # sudo pacman -S by typing pac (sudo must be installed and configured first ;) )
alias pacinfo="sudo pacman -Qi"
alias pacrm="sudo pacman -R"
alias pacaur="sudo pacman -U"

Add in your /home/user/.bashrc file.

[mips]

I'm running Arch on my laptop and the screen dims automatically when it switches to battery. I'm not using any extra mods with my kernel or any special laptop tools, but my laptop is ~4 years old.

That is not done in software but in hardware/bios. Most laptops will do this irrespective of OS loaded.

[slimdog360]

arch rocks

[mips]

As far as pacman frontends are concerned -- not sure about gui ones, but you could try yaourt (http://archlinux.fr/yaourt-en/), for example. It allows you to search repos and aur repo for keywords and installs packages from the repos + builds automatically from aur.

I found something called PacKommander which relies on kommander. I have not tried it yet though but will probably later.

How do I get suspend & hibernate to work on my laptop, they aren't even options when I log off. I have klaptopdaemon installed which seems to be stuck at 95% charged?

[K.Mandla]

I apologize for pointing you at the wiki since you've probably already been there, but have you checked ...

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_to_Disk
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_to_RAM

There's another section which handles suspending to both.

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_to_Disk#Combining_suspend_to_disk_with_sus pend_to_RAM

Sorry I can't be of more help; my laptop is so old the battery lasts 45 seconds, and so I never use either option. :???:

[jaz.spb]

Archlinux is not difficult to install, just follow Archwiki instructions. I tried this and now I'm Archlinux user. May be installation of arch will be long, but the result will be great.
Gentoo is not difficult too. I'm agree that Gentoo is more user friendly and may be I'll install it on my desktop computer.

It will be better to install Arch, Gentoo, Ubuntu on desktop. And I advice to install Ubuntu on the laptop.

[mips]

I apologize for pointing you at the wiki since you've probably already been there, but have you checked ...


Please don't apologise for giving me links as I'm happy with links :)
Truth be told I have been all over that wiki the last few days but for some odd reason I never came across those links. Spent so much time on that wiki that it is probably a case of 'can't see the forest for the trees'.

Thanks, I will look into those links.

[Peyton]

After giving arch a second go, a lot of wiki abuse, and a lot of abusing arch forums search button and a lot of ynnhoj's help I'm home!

For years I used ubuntu, suse 9.3, debian, pclinux or otherwords the "more user friendly" distros

When I first started arch, I Was over whelmed, in the short time I've used it, the command line is like a second home for me...I first installed a pacman front endand now don't use it (never mind the fact that its buggy) I just google to make sure I have the package name right and then pacman -Syu

Elvish

Use pacman -Ss to search. ;)

[aeto]

Jacman is the man! Get rid of the l33t mindset and adapt to the leet mindset; practical efficiency over psychological deficiency. Certain tasks, like finding and trashing unneeded packages, are better done from within a GUI. Other things, Pacman vs Apt is like He-man vs Barney. Wait, I meant Phrakture vs uhhh...Somebody.

The problems faced here are funny to read about, hahah. Like the repos turning upside town and such, or the database turning inside out. Some people come on IRC talking about the same thing. I find no clue :(

Btw, why isn't thread starter updating first post? At least, the thing about source-based package management must be edited. People who are interested are going to read that first after clicking on this thread. There is little relation between Arch and Gentoo. Gentoo is, after all, because the names rhyme, a source-based Ubuntu. On the other hand, Arch is a poem. New Arch reviews tend to paint a picture of Mount Everest, when it is really just the humble Andes.

"It is what you make it" - Hitla

[fwojciec]

Jacman is the man! Get rid of the l33t mindset and adapt to the leet mindset; practical efficiency over psychological deficiency. Certain tasks, like finding and trashing unneeded packages, are better done from within a GUI.

Who needs a gui... I just memorize what I have installed :P

[raul_]

Who needs a gui... I just memorize what I have installed :P

what's wrong with that? :confused:

[handy]

what's wrong with that? :confused:

My memory! :lolflag:

[aeto]

Who needs a gui... I just memorize what I have installed :P

Repeat after me,

"I am NOT a magician"

"I am NOT a magician"

"I am NOT a magician"

...

[bluefightingcat]

Hey,

Try out "Yet another Pacman Gui".YAPG. I like it alot and works great.

BFC

[bionnaki]

I switched from ubuntu to arch. running openbox. works wonderfully & very fast.

[K.Mandla]

Anyone ever run without udev?

I hate that it takes almost 10 seconds (on my 1Ghz machine) for udev to finish. Sometimes I edit /etc/start_udev to add a timeout flag to /sbin/udevsettle, but that gets replaced at almost every kernel update.

I've heard it was possible to run without udev, but I can't find any information about it. Suggestions? Or should I just breathe deeply and count to 10?

[RedSquirrel]

Anyone ever run without udev?

I hate that it takes almost 10 seconds (on my 1Ghz machine) for udev to finish. Sometimes I edit /etc/start_udev to add a timeout flag to /sbin/udevsettle, but that gets replaced at almost every kernel update.

I've heard it was possible to run without udev, but I can't find any information about it. Suggestions? Or should I just breathe deeply and count to 10?

In an odd coincidence, I was just tinkering with my boot without udev tonight. I must have left some modules out because I ended up with an unbootable system. I'm too tired now to play with it anymore, but I may have had the module order wrong. I might try again another time when I'm a little more alert. ;)

I just looked at the output of lsmod to get an idea of the modules I need.

From what I've read, the Arch devs (well, a portion of them anyway) recommend against running without udev. There are a few threads on the Arch forums about this. If you search for "udev uevents" you'll probably find them. "bootchart" is another good term to search for there.

Here's a bug report I saw a while ago:

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8878

Mine pauses about 10 seconds. My whole boot takes about 54 seconds. If I use acpi=off, that speeds things up, but it has other consequences.

On Ubuntu, I think it was less than 30 seconds with no long pauses...


EDIT: I neglected to mention that I did get everything working again (with udev). It was a bit of a hassle though because my fallback image also had an unrelated issue and would not boot. I'm glad the rescue CD wasn't too far out of reach. :grin:

[K.Mandla]

Hmm. That's an interesting bug report. Mine is nowhere near that bad, but I still grind my teeth every time I boot.

For my own part I run hwdetect --modules >> /etc/rc.conf during the installation process and trim out all the stuff I don't use (parallel port, etc.) and turn off module autoloading there. Then I carve mkinitcpio.conf down to nothing, and rebuild it.

It doesn't seem to be where the problem is for me, though. It's not module loading that's hanging, it's udev uevents. That timeout flag is the only thing I know to kick it in the

:D

[aeto]

10s? Just for udev? That's mighty long. Use bootchartd and check the real (somewhat) time it takes for the boot process.

Trust me, you don't wanna run without Udev unless you're 100% confident you have all the modules you need and ur kernel is at its happiest. Hwdetect is a joker, serious only to an extent. Loading manually does provide a speed increase of -1 to -2s though. My mkinitcpio:
MODULES="ahci ata_piix libata sd_mod jfs"
HOOKS="base resume" and honestly it doesn't make a difference to base autodetect sata filesystems resume or even base udev autodetect sata filesystems resume
Run with -v and it seems non-disk modules like USB and CD still get pulled in for the latter 2. Furthermore, the time it takes to create root with only base and resume will ultimately be equal to running with udev and autodetect. So, udev for life!

Or just make sure ur kernel is optimal and DON'T use any form of initrd/ramfs!

[yabbadabbadont]

Are there any hidden repercussions to just building a custom kernel? If you only include the support you need directly in the kernel, with minimal modules, will it seriously mess up the Arch init system? (Which I've read is pretty minimal actually)

[K.Mandla]

This is all the more interesting, because I've been recompiling custom kernels manually (not through makepkg) and running those without inserting modules. So I'm starting to wonder if I should carve udev out anyway.

This is all Crux's fault anyway. If I hadn't gotten a 450Mhz machine to boot in 25 seconds (http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/video-25-second-boot-on-450mhz-k6-2/), I never would have noticed how long it takes udev uevents to finish.

For the record, this is my mkinitcpio.conf now:

MODULES="piix ide_disk ide-cd ext2"
BINARIES=""
FILES=""
HOOKS="base"
And my modules ... well, I manually rebuild the kernel to include the modules I want, so it doesn't matter what I use in rc.conf, since they aren't inserted on boot.

[aeto]

yabba: nope, none at all. you just have to write a mini ebuild of sort if you want pacman to handle it. if you don't want pacman to know, then it's standard. building in everything makes it even better since you won't need udev at all. however, i don't think one can have a sane kernel and system that way.

mandla: nasty! how can you not makepkg? You build in everything? Hmm in that case, i don't see why you'd need udev in the first place, or maybe even an initrd :) But I've been noticing more people talking about this lengthy udev/uevents. Maybe leaving it to auto would be best?

[yabbadabbadont]

Udev isn't strictly required, no matter how you configure your kenrel (built-in or modules). You just have to manually create the old static device nodes. (mknod is your friend if you go that route ;)) I actually prefer the old static /dev method. Of course, I cut my teeth on the 2.0 kernel. :lol:

[RedSquirrel]

And my modules ... well, I manually rebuild the kernel to include the modules I want, so it doesn't matter what I use in rc.conf, since they aren't inserted on boot.

Would you mind posting your MODULES array from rc.conf (before you put them in the kernel)? I just want to see what you had there. Thanks.

[yabbadabbadont]

In case anyone has been annoyed by the floppy drive light always being on. I finally found that if I loaded the floppy module, it would go out as it should. I have no idea why the drive was being continuously polled without the module being loaded. Nor do I know why the module wasn't loaded automatically by udev. Hopefully this will help someone else.

[K.Mandla]

Udev isn't strictly required, no matter how you configure your kenrel (built-in or modules). You just have to manually create the old static device nodes. (mknod is your friend if you go that route ;)) I actually prefer the old static /dev method. Of course, I cut my teeth on the 2.0 kernel. :lol:
Could you give me a brief rundown on how to move back to static /dev? I've looked through the wiki and not seen anything. I just want to make sure I have a vague idea what I'm doing so it works once, without having to trial-and-error myself into a stupor.
Would you mind posting your MODULES array from rc.conf (before you put them in the kernel)? I just want to see what you had there. Thanks.
Sure. This is on a Dell Inspiron 8000 with an NEC ND-7550A DVD+-RW, PRO 100 NIC and Nvidia Geforce4 440 Go. I use an external mouse attached to the PS/2 port and an ESS Maestro3 sound card. I have to hard drives, both IDE (one 7200rpm, one 5400rpm), and the onboard USB1.1 ports. Since I don't use the PCMCIA port I don't bother with modules for that, or things like parallel ports and whatnot.
MODULES=(cdrom agpgart intel-agp evdev psmouse serio_raw pci_hotplug rtc-cmos rtc-core rtc-lib ac97_bus snd-page-alloc snd-pcm snd-timer snd snd-ac97-codec snd-maestro3 soundcore ata_generic sd_mod ata_piix e100 mii usbcore usb-storage uhci-hcd)
Most of that comes from hwdetect --modules, minus the stuff I don't want.

[aeto]

Static? Are you serious? That's what I meant by being "sane". One would want something like udev if hotplugging occurs regularly. So of course, if you have no hotplugging devices, there is no concern over plugging in something and the module not being inserted into the kernel.

But with udev, hotplug, devfs, you have only the nodes for devices that are actually plugged in. That's what these utilities are for, to make life easier and keep things neat :) And a sane kernel, will have modules, not everything built in. But yeah, I do have an insane K6 and I don't use any kind of initrd.

Actually, most of the problems faced usually are direct results of manually loading modules in rc.conf

[mips]

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Speedup_boot

[fwojciec]

The ultimate "boot-up time" tweak: suspend and hibernate :D

My favorite method at the moment is uswsusp's "s2both" which saves the current state to disk and then suspends to ram -- it uses what was saved to disk only in case something happens to power while the computer is asleep. It works great.

You can also use it on desktop computers, of course, which is what I do on mine -- my computer starts up in about 2-3 seconds...

BTW - those of you who don't really use the Arch website all that often should go and check out the awesome new look and logo :cool:

[yabbadabbadont]

blah blah blah

Real Linux users (started to say "men", but that's sexist ;)) know their hardware and include support for it directly in the kernel. They can also recite, from memory, the major/minor node numbers for all the device nodes for said hardware...

:p :D :lol:

[yabbadabbadont]

Could you give me a brief rundown on how to move back to static /dev? I've looked through the wiki and not seen anything. I just want to make sure I have a vague idea what I'm doing so it works once, without having to trial-and-error myself into a stupor.


You could use tar to create an archive of all of your active nodes. Make sure that you have all of your pluggable hardware connected first. You could also use it to archive /dev/.static/dev That will get you all of the standard device nodes. For any that get missed, read the kernel documentation for the module/driver. They generally list the names and major/minor numbers of the related device nodes. (/usr/src/linux/Documentation is an interesting read)

[aeto]

yabbadaboop: hmm i have to say you are somewhat correct!

[yabbadabbadont]

yabbadaboop: hmm i have to say you are somewhat correct!

I win! I win! Yay!

(Where's my cookie?!?)

:lolflag:

[RedSquirrel]

Sure. This is on a Dell Inspiron 8000 with ...

Most of that comes from hwdetect --modules, minus the stuff I don't want.

Thanks. That's similar to what I have now, except I have a few more sound-related modules (which I may remove at some point).

[K.Mandla]

For some reason, my sound wouldn't work without all those modules. I have a feeling they're all intertwined at some level. If I could trim them back I would.

[K.Mandla]

Not to change the subject but ...

I seem to have botched the whole pacman 3.1.0 move. Now makepkg spits out errors about BUILDSCRIPT being undefined, and I can't seem to compile anything except manually.
==> ERROR: BUILDSCRIPT is undefined! Ensure you have updated /etc/makepkg.conf.
What was I supposed to do? I tried replacing line 10 in makepkg.conf with the new array of web commands, but that didn't help. And what is meant by "merging" the old one with the new one? Copy and paste?

It might be that I've just wrangled my installation for too long. I'm overdue for a clean slate.

[Dimitriid]

I saw that change too, I don't make much use of ABS or AUR but why change it? It was fine imho, I don't like bleeding edge ( which is nice ) turning into "change for the sake of change" things like this update.

In any case after the upgrade pacman gave some information about the format change and other changes but I didn't followed too much sadly. Maybe the Arch forums and/or irc channel guys will explain more.

[fwojciec]

Not to change the subject but ...

I seem to have botched the whole pacman 3.1.0 move. Now makepkg spits out errors about BUILDSCRIPT being undefined, and I can't seem to compile anything except manually.

What was I supposed to do? I tried replacing line 10 in makepkg.conf with the new array of web commands, but that didn't help. And what is meant by "merging" the old one with the new one? Copy and paste?

It might be that I've just wrangled my installation for too long. I'm overdue for a clean slate.

I had the same message as well after updating pacman. I simply copied all my customizations (just the lines with compiler flags) from /etc/makepkg.conf to /etc/makepkg.conf.pacnew file and then copied the /etc/makepkg.conf.pacnew file as /etc/makepkg.conf. That's probably the easiest way to do it -- it's essentially the same procedure as with the new pacman.conf file.

You might also need to install "abs" package since it is no longer included in "pacman" package and needs to be installed separately.

[Drakx]

I have the strangest of problems, when i starting compiz-fusion every thing changes as it should, yet... when i open another window be it gnome-terminal, firefox, deluge etc etc i have to restart compiz-fusion just so i can see whats happened 0.o

[ekerazha]

In case anyone has been annoyed by the floppy drive light always being on. I finally found that if I loaded the floppy module, it would go out as it should. I have no idea why the drive was being continuously polled without the module being loaded. Nor do I know why the module wasn't loaded automatically by udev. Hopefully this will help someone else.

You can "fix" this also loading the "acpi" daemon, however it could happen if you start the OS from Grub before the led turns off after the "boot from floppy drive" attempt.

[Drakx]

can any one help with this...
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=42275

[kellemes]

can any one help with this...
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=42275

You may need to include in your post..
- /etc/X11/xorg.conf
- /var/log/Xorg.0.log

and provide more info on your graphics-card and used driver.

[Drakx]

done thanks i forgot

[mips]

Ok, now I have my desktop on arch as well. Went arch64 this time.

I must say to get from grub to a working desktop(kdemod) in under 30 seconds just blows my mind, especially on my old hardware.

[K.Mandla]

KDEmod is beautiful; if I ever use KDE regularly it would only be KDEmod.

30 seconds is ... pretty good!

[raul_]

I have the strangest of problems, when i starting compiz-fusion every thing changes as it should, yet... when i open another window be it gnome-terminal, firefox, deluge etc etc i have to restart compiz-fusion just so i can see whats happened 0.o

sounds like you have 'loose binding' enabled

[Drakx]

sounds like you have 'loose binding' enabled

Hi

I've got it fixed now it was some thing todo with Intel driver and my xorg.conf the more i use Arch the more i like it :D

[Opeth115]

Hello all, i have archlinux installed with kdemod and whenever i try to install amarok, i get this error:

pacman -S amarok-base
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

Targets: qt3-3.3.8-6.1 amarok-base-1.4.8-2

Total Download Size: 0.00 MB
Total Installed Size: 23.22 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n] y
checking package integrity...
(2/2) checking for file conflicts [#####################] 100%
error: could not prepare transaction
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
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Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.

[ch_123]

I had the same problem too. I found that its caused by Arch downloading QT3 from the Testing repository AND the KDEmod repositiory. Edit your repositories list so that the testing section is commented out, type pacman -Scc to clear out the downloaded content, and then try to install again.

[Opeth115]

I had the same problem too. I found that its caused by Arch downloading QT3 from the Testing repository AND the KDEmod repositiory. Edit your repositories list so that the testing section is commented out, type pacman -Scc to clear out the downloaded content, and then try to install again.

worked like a charm thanks a bunch! :popcorn:

[raul_]

KDEmod doesn't support [testing]

[JR Tyner]

What do yall think about Pacman the software package manager developed as part of Arch Linux?

[Drakx]

I like it, from what I've seen I've yet to really read the manual for it..