SUSE Talk

[Turin Turambar]

Hi,

I've been interested in this ubuntu project since I came into the linux world. However, SuSE provided easier control (YaST) and bunch of software on a single DVD (I'm on the dial-up, you know what I mean!)
But Ubuntu 5.04 looks to me even more promising.
Is there any SuSE guy here that is now a dedicated Ubuntu user? What are advantages/disadvantages for me to migrate from SuSE to Ubuntu? Is it faster? Is Synaptic application similar to YaST, etc...?

Thanks!

[akurashy]

you can order ubuntu cds for free if you want :)
go to http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org , so you don't have to download it with 56k :D

[baza41]

Hi,

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Is there any SuSE guy here that is now a dedicated Ubuntu user? What are advantages/disadvantages for me to migrate from SuSE to Ubuntu? Is it faster? Is Synaptic application similar to YaST, etc...?

Thanks!

I was a Suse user, I was running 9.1 Pro before I found Ubuntu. Yes Yast is a very nice tool, it's the best there is at the moment IMHO. But I find Suse rather bloated afert using Ubuntu, I like the 'look and feel' of Ubuntu. I'm far from a Linux 'power user' but have no problems configuring stuff, in fact I rather enjoy it.

Also, Ubuntu upgrades are free, in the UK it costs about £45 to upgrade from Suse 9.1 to 9.2 Pro. And that's a big selling point for Ubuntu for me.

Baza

[poofyhairguy]

Hi,

I've been interested in this ubuntu project since I came into the linux world. However, SuSE provided easier control (YaST) and bunch of software on a single DVD (I'm on the dial-up, you know what I mean!)
But Ubuntu 5.04 looks to me even more promising.
Is there any SuSE guy here that is now a dedicated Ubuntu user? What are advantages/disadvantages for me to migrate from SuSE to Ubuntu? Is it faster? Is Synaptic application similar to YaST, etc...?

Thanks!

The advantages (to me) are a nice community, lack of something like YAST (some things it does good, some things windows 95 could do better), more packages on the server (I think SUSE has around 8000 if you include packman and everything else, Ubuntu has 15000+), good hardware autodetection, a style I like more and Gnome over Kde.

Personally (although this opinion might not be popular here) if I was on dialup I'd probably use SUSE, if only because the packages are on a DVD and not on a server. Ubuntu is great, but I have to download over 100 megs in packages to get it how I want. On my broadband that no problem, but on dialup it would be a nightmare.

[UbuWu]

Get someone else to download and burn the dvd for you if you can ;-)

[kassetra]

But Ubuntu 5.04 looks to me even more promising.
Is there any SuSE guy here that is now a dedicated Ubuntu user? What are advantages/disadvantages for me to migrate from SuSE to Ubuntu? Is it faster? Is Synaptic application similar to YaST, etc...?

Thanks!

Well, I was a SuSE *GIRL*, but I'm now a 100% dedicated Ubuntu user... and here are my notes:

YaST was slow, inefficient and inept compared to Synaptic. Synaptic is configurable, clean, and very capable of taking care of my system. I would compare Synaptic more to Ximian's Red Carpet (with fewer issues) than to YaST.

Advantages are that the packages are new, the support is great, Ubuntu supports Gnome while Kubuntu supports KDE - so you're not forced to use pieces of either unless you want to.

Disadvantages... yeah, I haven't found any yet. Oh wait, I guess in your case the disadvantage would be that if you don't like the software that Ubuntu installs, there aren't hundreds more on the disc... so yeah, that would be a disadvantage for anyone that's not on broadband.

All in all it's been a 110% improvement in my Linux Desktop experience...

[bootleg]

YaST was slow, inefficient and inept compared to Synaptic. Synaptic is configurable, clean, and very capable of taking care of my system. I would compare Synaptic more to Ximian's Red Carpet (with fewer issues) than to YaST.


How can you compare YaST with Synaptic? Synaptic is only for packetmanagement, with YaST you can manage your whole system.

@ Turin Turambar

I used SuSE from 7.2 to 9.0. It was okay for me, but in retrospective it was really a slow bunch of ****. SuSE is a comfortable Distribution, where you can manage everything from one point (YaST2), that 's what I miss in Ubuntu, but overall Ubuntu is much faster, cleaner and more stable than SuSE ever was.

Is there no ADSL or cable in Beograd?

[kassetra]

How can you compare YaST with Synaptic? Synaptic is only for packetmanagement, with YaST you can manage your whole system.


I compare YaST to Synaptic because that's what he asked.

All of YaST's functions can be compared to the "System Configuration" area in Ubuntu.

And after using YaST since SuSE 6 - I would gladly drop down to the command line and hand-edit the configuration files rather than using YaST for system management.

[bootleg]

Okay, sorry.

In Austria it 's 1 a.m. ... good night ;-).

[Turin Turambar]

Is there no ADSL or cable in Beograd?

:) There is. Both of them are available, but I'm still stuck with the dialup. It's much cheaper, but I really hope that ADSL/cable/wireless prices will go down soon. Till then, I'm on the 56k. :|

Thank you girls and guys for support! :)
I guess I will give Ubuntu a try...
I love SuSE, but - it's slower than I expected (Athlon 2600+ 512RAM), and - at first I liked KDE very much, but somehow I now feel it has too much in it. It's clogged with features... it's definitely more eyecandy than Gnome, but Gnome seems cleaner to me.

[poofyhairguy]

I love SuSE, but - it's slower than I expected (Athlon 2600+ 512RAM), and - at first I liked KDE very much, but somehow I now feel it has too much in it. It's clogged with features... it's definitely more eyecandy than Gnome, but Gnome seems cleaner to me.


If thats what you believe then....welcome to Ubuntu. you'll like it.

[Turin Turambar]

Just to let everyone know - I am now a dedicated Ubuntu user! Who-ho! :)
No really, it's great. And I managed to install everything I wanted with my trusty ol' modem!
Ubuntu is definitely faster, more usable. SuSE is good, really, but clogged with features.
And Gnome - at first I didn't like it, then moved on to SuSE & KDE and now I gave it a 2nd chance with Ubuntu and I absolutely love it! :)

[panickedthumb]

Great! It's always great to hear these success stories, no matter how many I see

[NaplesBill]

I used SuSE 9.1 and 9.2 pro. As far as YAST, it was ok. It did a few things well. I used apt and Synaptic on SuSE so it was a welcome sight in ubuntu. The best part is that I didn't have to find a bunch of rpm packages to get apt and Synaptic working. It was already there.

The only thing I miss from SuSE is the SAX utility. It made for much easier management of screen resolution and video drivers. Oh well, a minor issue compared to the benefits of ubuntu.

[benplaut]

I used SuSE 9.1 and 9.2 pro. As far as YAST, it was ok. It did a few things well. I used apt and Synaptic on SuSE so it was a welcome sight in ubuntu. The best part is that I didn't have to find a bunch of rpm packages to get apt and Synaptic working. It was already there.

The only thing I miss from SuSE is the SAX utility. It made for much easier management of screen resolution and video drivers. Oh well, a minor issue compared to the benefits of ubuntu.

yes... i also miss SAX... :-x

[Turin Turambar]

Yes, but once you configured xorg.conf, you don't really need Sax that much.
Besides, my xorg.conf has never been more polished (manually edited, yes!) and for the first time, my fglrx ATI drivers work, thanks to the tips I found on this site! :)

Oh yeah, Ubuntu has the best community I've seen for one OS! :)

[KiwiNZ]

"Oh yeah, Ubuntu has the best community I've seen for one OS! :)"

That is fantastic to hear , thanks heaps

[NaplesBill]

Yes, but once you configured xorg.conf, you don't really need Sax that much.
Besides, my xorg.conf has never been more polished (manually edited, yes!) and for the first time, my fglrx ATI drivers work, thanks to the tips I found on this site! :)

Oh yeah, Ubuntu has the best community I've seen for one OS! :)

Well, I'm not one to leave well enough alone and SAX has a "test" button that allows you to try before you save the settings. I'm currently using the integrated AGP graphics(IGP) but plan to eventually get another AGP card. I'm using my Radeon X800 PRO for my HTPC machine.

I totally agree about this community though, simply amazing group of people if you ask me!

[Turin Turambar]

Well, I'm not one to leave well enough alone and SAX has a "test" button that allows you to try before you save the settings.

Unfortunately, SaX's test doesn't always show the right thing, so you cannot relay on it everytime.
For example, when I set "enable fast writes", the test has shown normal screen.
However, after I rebooted SuSE, I could not see anything, as the screen was totally black.

It's really great to see moderators here that really care. :)

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

I recently installed OpenSuSE 10.0 and I didn't like it. I am planning to install OpenSuSE 10.1rc2. Is there a way to do a net install with it and will it be able to resize my breezy partition and install it to that partition ? (It will be about 15 gb)
I have already burned the boot.iso.

[briancurtin]

check out suseforums.net

[elijahclarity]

Have u tried the new OpenSuse 10.1?

I was really impressed by this review of OpenSuse 10.1 here
http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=6899

I was glad to read that Beagle works out-of-the-box in Suse 10.1 and for Gnome fans its really news that Suse has revamped the Gnome look and has paid special attention to it with this landmark release, although it couldn't bundle Gnome 2.14.

I'd be glad to hear form everyone here how their experiences have been with OpenSuse 10.1.

Don't forget to read this wonderful article here which describes how to setup non-oss stuff in Suse 10.1 easily & painlessly.
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=254&Itemid=42

I just hope that when Dapper releases, Beagle works flawlessly in it too as with Suse 10.1. It will be another landmark distro release!:p

[Rhodan]

I'm busy downloading it along with the latest dapper flight. That was a glowing review, sounds promising.

[Jucato]

I've also heard some "not-so-glowing" first impressions from some KDE devs... but anyway, it's worth trying out. I've always wanted to test out OpenSuSE, so I guess this would be a good time as any.

2 Questions though:
1. How many CDs do you need to download or is there a minimal CD installer?
2. SuSE is different from OpenSuSE, right? Is SuSE (not the open one) not free?

I wonder if Novell will ever make a Live CD. so far, the big Linux distros (Fedora, SuSE, etc) have been a bit slow in that area. I wonder why...

[ComplexNumber]

I've also heard some "not-so-glowing" first impressions from some KDE devs i wonder why that is :rolleyes:


1. How many CDs do you need to download or is there a minimal CD installer? 5 in total



2. SuSE is different from OpenSuSE, right? Is SuSE (not the open one) not free? there isn't anything written in stone, but this usually refers to the free one.

[Jucato]

Well, I'm not really sure. a dev here has some hardware detection problem, a dev here has some network problems, and another dev there says everything is working perfectly. If I remember correctly, though, they say that Ubuntu (actually Kubuntu, no offense meant Complex :D) worked perfectly out of the box.

About the SUSE/OpenSUSE thing, I'd like to correct myself. It seems that OpenSUSE is the open source project name, but the webpage itself is saying SUSE Linux. The enterprise version is Novell Linux Desktop or NLD I think. I was just confused because of the names and thought that OpenSUSE is the free one while SUSE Linux is the enterprise one. Sorry about that. :D

5 CDs?!?!?! Shucks... that's one thing that's keeping me from trying out the "big" distros. I wouldn't mind downloading 1-3 CDs (ok, maybe even 3 is too much for me). But 5? for some software that I will not or probably will not install... :(

[ComplexNumber]

5 CDs?!?!?! Shucks. it doesn't mean that you have to downaload them all. just downlaod the first one :). its the same as fedora core - that also comes on 5 cd's but a basic install can be gleaned from the first disk. i think its a good thing that there is a huge amount of material by default - its one of the main reasons why users such as me choose the likes of fedora and suse rather than ubuntu. if ubuntu got their act together and gave the option of having a single cd for basic install and a further 4 cd's for extras, more people would not be prevented from seeing it as a viable option.

[Jucato]

Arggh! Why didn't you tell me that earlier?! :D
( My question was: How many CD's do I need to download or is the a minimal install CD? :p)

Anyway, so I just have to download the first CD, install it, and I will have a working install with a GUI (GNOME or KDE?)?

By the way, there was a project a while back for making sort of add-on CDs for those with limited access to internet connections. It's a thread started by aysiu, buried somewhere in the Ubuntu Cafe section. I guess the only thing that prevents Ubuntu from making such CDs is that most of the software people would want to download and install would probably be the restricted codecs and that would go against Ubuntu's policies.

Anyway, I hope elijahclarity and Rhodan could also give some of their own "reviews" once they finished trying it out. :D

[helpme]

5 CDs?!?!?! Shucks... that's one thing that's keeping me from trying out the "big" distros. I wouldn't mind downloading 1-3 CDs (ok, maybe even 3 is too much for me). But 5? for some software that I will not or probably will not install... :(
You just need the first 3 CDs for a default Gnome or KDE install in either English or German.

You could also try a net install, though going with the CDs is probably easier.

About Suse 10.1, it's very nice in many ways in my experience. The only big minus and to me that's really a big minus, is the fact that the new package management doesn't work or at least doesn't work reliably.

[mostwanted]

I just installed OpenSuse 10.1 and I needed CDs 1, 2, 3 and 5 for a regular Gnome install.

[helpme]

I just installed OpenSuse 10.1 and I needed CDs 1, 2, 3 and 5 for a regular Gnome install.
I installed in German and I only needed the first 3 (and I also remember reading that only the first 3 were needed for a default install in either Enlish or German).

[mostwanted]

Must be because I did a Danish install then.

[Jucato]

Ok, so I need to download 3 CD's then to install a complete system with GUI or a net install CD then just download the DE from the CLI? Hmm... I guess the 3 CDs would be better considering I have absolutely no knowledge on how to handle SUSE (is it RPM-based?)

But one thing puzzles me, though. Why the need for 3 CDs to install a base system? I understand if 1 CD is needed for the base system, another is need for the DE (maybe 2, one for GNOME and one for KDE), another for different languages, and possibly another extra one for some extra packages.

Anyway, I'll probably give SUSE 10.1 a try once the dust settles down. I'd hate to clog up their bandwidth. :D

[ComplexNumber]

is it RPM-based? yes.



But one thing puzzles me, though. Why the need for 3 CDs to install a base system? I understand if 1 CD is needed for the base system, another is need for the DE (maybe 2, one for GNOME and one for KDE), another for different languages, and possibly another extra one for some extra packages. i guess people have different ideas of what a basic install is. fedora core 5 is made up of basic installation disk + extras. don't know about suse 10.1, but it should be similar.

[mostwanted]

SUSE 10.1 has a great look, Gilouche and the SUSE wallpaper look really sexy together, but their interpretation of how Gnome should look makes it really disfunctional. I reverted to a standard Gnome layout, instead their one-panel (cramped) approach.

[polo_step]

Anyway, I'll probably give SUSE 10.1 a try once the dust settles down. I'd hate to clog up their bandwidth. :D
Do it by torrent then.

[mostwanted]

Initial experience with SUSE:

Wow, package management on SUSE sucks. Nothing works.

[helpme]

Initial experience with SUSE:

Wow, package management on SUSE sucks. Nothing works.
Yep, they really broke it in 10.1.

You should give smart a try though, really nice and works well in my experience.

[manicka]

They have only released it with Gnome 2.12 (with some 2.14 features)

for me, that's disappointing

[siriusnova]

I installed OpenSuse 10.1 on my thinkpad t30 already running ubuntu (onto a separate partition) yesterday, im not that impressed.

I have to say I like Ubuntu Dapper MUCH better then Suse for the simple reason that i really dont like Yast. Its SLOW and bloated and takes forever to do the simplest of things.

Package management in Suse has always been a pain as the installer is slow and clunky but I attribute that more to the rpm package format.

However, Yast does do everything through the gui which is really nice i must say. For example being able to configure dual monitors through a gui is really really nice. Ill keep it around to tinker with but im more happy with Ubuntu Dapper as quite frankly its much faster.

Ubuntu could learn a think or two from Suse though, the animated boot screen is nice. Also it would be nice to be able to have gui tools to configure dual monitors (twinview, xinerama) etc..

[helpme]

Package management in Suse has always been a pain as the installer is slow and clunky but I attribute that more to the rpm package format.

Then you really should try smart or apt4rpm.
Both are fast and elegant, though both use rpm.

[Engnome]

I just installed OpenSuse 10.1 and I needed CDs 1, 2, 3 and 5 for a regular Gnome install.

The dvd iso is out, http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version

[mostwanted]

The dvd iso is out, http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version

I don't have a DVD burner and that's not even smaller download.

[thiago_moreira]

A silly question. Does anyone here know where can I download that default wallpaper from OpenSuSE 10.1? I tried to search in many sites, but with no success... :confused:

[xXx 0wn3d xXx]

Have u tried the new OpenSuse 10.1?

I was really impressed by this review of OpenSuse 10.1 here
http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=6899

I was glad to read that Beagle works out-of-the-box in Suse 10.1 and for Gnome fans its really news that Suse has revamped the Gnome look and has paid special attention to it with this landmark release, although it couldn't bundle Gnome 2.14.

I'd be glad to hear form everyone here how their experiences have been with OpenSuse 10.1.

Don't forget to read this wonderful article here which describes how to setup non-oss stuff in Suse 10.1 easily & painlessly.
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=254&Itemid=42

I just hope that when Dapper releases, Beagle works flawlessly in it too as with Suse 10.1. It will be another landmark distro release!:p

I tried OpenSuSE 10.1 and it was great. I couldn't get my compiled bcm43xx kernel module to work but I love the interface and the way things work. My only problems are that it is not using the newest kernel (so the bcm43xx module would be included) but it can be compilied and it is slow. Expect me to be trying it next release.

[GuitarHero]

Yeah I tried it not too long ago, didnt like it at all. It feels incredibly bloated.

[RavenOfOdin]

I might, one of these days.

[monergist]

I've been running the live DVD for part of today, trying it out. I really like it thus far, but have yet to try yast or to get any packages since its a live DVD. The boot up seemed VERY slow, but I figure it was because I'm running from DVD and the install should be faster. I'm thinking of repartitioning some space for it, but haven't made up my mind yet.

[kinglance82]

i have had it for a week, i spent 2 days trying it to go online! i spent hours on forums, and nothing worked. i had Suse 9 on my old PC and it worked pretty good, now that i am learning more about Linux its seems easier. But suse 10 has really upset me i love the games and i love YAST, but if i cannot get online what good is it? When i Run Kinoppix live it goes right online and works just as fast as Suse. Ubuntu i just discovered today so i am DLing it now, and am going to see if it goes online.
and yes Suse is many CDs!! its loaded with software and with this new one they actually tell you what it does next to the name, befor you had to guess what a program did. i just hope Ubuntu has all the corney games that Suse has!:p

[kigina]

i tried to download it but it stopped downloading and said it was complete when it wasn't.

[jordilin]

I tried OpenSuse 10 and I didn't like it. I don't like Yast the package manager that Suse uses. Apt-get is by far the most powerful package manager. That's why I'm with Ubuntu.

[RAV TUX]

I have decided to start a series of threads specifically for technical help for other Distros...the Distro is listed in the thread title. This is primarily for Ubuntu users who test or use other distros and feel most comfortable seeking help in our own community. In no way does this superceed the help you should also be getting from the perspective Distro., in fact I encourage you to be as active in their forums as you are here and post ideas, knowledge and solutions here to provide a reference point to share, reference links are encouraged.

***SUSE Tech Talk***

cleaning things up a bit here:

I have merged these threads:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26914
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=231258
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=164356

[k5blazerfl]

I use opensuse 10.1 w/ KDE on my gaming rig. Easy install, Raid setup was a breeze, and just a clean fast distro. Plus Battlefield 2(no punkbuster:evil:), Counter Strike: Source, and Day of Defeate: Source all played faster on 10.1 than ubuntu.

I used to have 10.1 on my Insporion 8600 but, I couldn't get the wireless to work so now I use dapper drake. It works flawlessy :KS, everything was detected and the monitor button thingie works too. Also you can't beat the one cd install with a stick. My computer still runs alot hotter than it did w/ windows(I'm not the first to say this) tho.

This is why I think Opensuse is better than ubuntu:
Raid support at install
Custom package selection at install
KDE w/ kubuntu ](*,) just SUX


In my computer:
AMD Athlon 3500+ (FX-60 just newegged!)
ASUS A8N-SLI 939
4gb H-D Cosair ram
nvidia 7800gtx 256mb
ide 120gb seagate
Twin Sata 38gb Raptors(Raid=0 w/ Suse)

[RAV TUX]

The following thread has been merged here:

#180927 (Have u tried OpenSuse 10.1?)