Sabayon Linux Talk

[RAV TUX]

Please see:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17133
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770

Mips I am not sure what do do on either one of these issues....my apologies mate.

I do suggest you search and post if needed in the Gentoo forums....simply just identify yourself as a fellow Gentoo user.

[mips]

so, why is sabayon faster? aren't there things one could do with ubuntu to make it as fast? (talk slow.)

Dunno.

Here's the weird thing. It's faster but uses less CPU resources & memory !!!

My CPU idles below 10% with my normal apps open. If I recall correctly in kubuntu it was at like 38% !!!

[Rodneyck]

Rav, thanks for the gnubiff help. The gnubiff versions I found through emerge were older versions, from memory, 2.19 to 2.2 available. Everyone of them would get an error after installation and could not continue. I then went to the gnubiff site and installed manually the 2.4 version. I got it installed. I must say, Sabayon handles ./configure..make...make install with ease. A lot of the time under Ubuntu, I get "warning...make error...no make install...yadda yadda :mad: "

The problem was not with installation, it was trying to make gnubiff appear in the "add to panel" apps, the only way to make it work properly in Gnome. You can just run it straight off, but it runs with an annoying visible popup picture of the penguine in a window. The way it is suppose to work, the app is added to the task bar and it animates when you have new mail, but you have to get the app to appear with the other "add to panel" apps first.

In ubuntu, through synaptic, this installs in that location, but not so under Sabayon. I hope that is clear. Anyways, I should have contacted you for help, my bad.

I am thinking about adding a third hard drive to my system and installing Sabayon on the second (this time with KDE) and downgrading Windows to the 20gig third drive. I only use it to play games. A project for after the holidays.

[RAV TUX]

Rav, thanks for the gnubiff help. The gnubiff versions I found through emerge were older versions, from memory, 2.19 to 2.2 available. Everyone of them would get an error after installation and could not continue. I then went to the gnubiff site and installed manually the 2.4 version. I got it installed. I must say, Sabayon handles ./configure..make...make install with ease. A lot of the time under Ubuntu, I get "warning...make error...no make install...yadda yadda :mad: "

The problem was not with installation, it was trying to make gnubiff appear in the "add to panel" apps, the only way to make it work properly in Gnome. You can just run it straight off, but it runs with an annoying visible popup picture of the penguine in a window. The way it is suppose to work, the app is added to the task bar and it animates when you have new mail, but you have to get the app to appear with the other "add to panel" apps first.

In ubuntu, through synaptic, this installs in that location, but not so under Sabayon. I hope that is clear. Anyways, I should have contacted you for help, my bad.

I am thinking about adding a third hard drive to my system and installing Sabayon on the second (this time with KDE) and downgrading Windows to the 20gig third drive. I only use it to play games. A project for after the holidays.

It's All Good, Rodneyck.;)

[dbbolton]

i too have a network problem.

i have to run 'iwconfig wlan0 essid alpha' and 'dhclient wlan0' everytime i boot.

it's a miracle that it even works, considering that i have a broadcom card.

[mgpower0]

Quick question does sabayon 3.2 x86_64 come out of the box with support for 32bit apps such as F@H's SMP client. Example i'm currently running Kubuntu Edgy 64bit and had to apt-get the ia32-libs to run SMP which is a 64bit app but uses a 32 bit core still. I know Gentoo 64 bit comes standard wuth the libs to run 32bit apps, just wondering if Sabayon is the same. Putting sabayon on both my 32bit boxes tonight, would like to put it on the 64 as well. Have both cd iso's burnt and ready to go.

[mips]

Quick question does sabayon 3.2 x86_64 come out of the box with support for 32bit apps such as F@H's SMP client. Example i'm currently running Kubuntu Edgy 64bit and had to apt-get the ia32-libs to run SMP which is a 64bit app but uses a 32 bit core still. I know Gentoo 64 bit comes standard wuth the libs to run 32bit apps, just wondering if Sabayon is the same. Putting sabayon on both my 32bit boxes tonight, would like to put it on the 64 as well. Have both cd iso's burnt and ready to go.

This might answer your question:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=16826
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Foldingathome

I also read somewhere that a gentoo user is using both cores on his amd64 X2.

[Redlance]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

[robconscient]

I downloaded and burned the Sabayon 3.2 DVD. I played with it in Live mode, and was convinced to try an install. When I double click the "Install" icon, it tries to start, the hourglass runs appears for a few seconds, then it stops. Nothing else happens. I've tried rebooting a couple times with no success.

Any ideas? Or is this the universe's way of telling me to stick with Edgy? ;)

[kazuya]

Depending on your PC, there are many ways to launch Sabayon.
Sabayon is pretty damn good. To install it, I would recommend clicking on the update installer icon first.

Then click the installer button.


If this fails then upon rebooting, simply click on the INSTALL icon alone and not do the update installer.

One of these methods should work for you. If it fails look at their forum page at lxnaydesign.net.

[mips]

I dunno about the dvd but the mini cd also has a text based installer option.

[RAV TUX]

I downloaded and burned the Sabayon 3.2 DVD. I played with it in Live mode, and was convinced to try an install. When I double click the "Install" icon, it tries to start, the hourglass runs appears for a few seconds, then it stops. Nothing else happens. I've tried rebooting a couple times with no success.

Any ideas? Or is this the universe's way of telling me to stick with Edgy? ;)
odd I don't recall an hour glass of any sort on Sabayon Linux 3.2

are you sure your using the latest version and did you check your Md5?

check your info hash:
SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent (http://www.linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=3193&name=SabayonLinux-x86-3.2.torrent)
eb1180509f416796783290e97d5ad8d858ac4cfb
this is from Linux Tracker
http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3193

[RAV TUX]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

did you ask for help at their IRC #sabayon?

[RAV TUX]

Interesting to see Sabayon at the #4 position.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6043/snapshot19ab8.png (http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6043/snapshot19ab8.png)

[dbbolton]

i was attracted to sabayon (initially) due to the beautiful wall papers, but installed it because i wanted to try the functionality of gentoo... without the work. i admit to being ridiculously lazy.


however, i find myself constantly returning to ubuntu. i would like some opinions (specially from mips and rav tux) on this matter, because i'm quite ignorant. which operating system is better/worse in which facets and why ?

[mips]

Hmm, hard one.

I have 64bit Sabayon installed. Did it after some HD problems. I currently do not have Kubuntu on my pc.

I'm having a few issues with sabayon though. Some things are not working. I don't know whether I might have better luck with the 32bit version ? Another issue is it is something new and not familair with. Best resource so far is probably the gentoo sites


I like Sabayon a lot, so much so that I would like to work out the little niggles i'm experiencing.

With Kubuntu Dapper I have the 32bit version. The 64bit version was just a pain in the **** for me. In 32bit everything worked and I had no issues. Kubuntu is slow though, one of the first things you notice when using sabayon.

[RAV TUX]

using 32 bit version of Sabayon.....on my 64bit computer....I have all desktop accelerations(Beryl) turned off....I have no issues to mention.....other then me becoming more familiar with a Gentoo based system...

Which for the most part is a pure dream.....Emerge is awesome

On my primary computer I only use Sabayon(KDE)....(Ubuntu would not work on this computer)....I primarily use Sabayon.

on my secondary old computer I use Ubuntu(Gnome).....I will always use Ubuntu

I use only Sabayon and Ubuntu.

[dbbolton]

i too have a 64 bit processor but opted to install the 32 bit "mini edition." i get a lot of strange glitches when i run beryl, but they seem not to be there when i log in as root. i haven't had too much trouble with beryl in ubuntu, though, so i dont think its my computer (which is by no means a super machine: turion64 processor [~2ghz i think] 512mb ram with 128mb dedicated to ati radeon express 200m graphics card)

once i figured out how to use emerge/kuroo, i became much more comfortable with gentoo. however, i think the sabayon forums are a little weak. i still haven't been able to get my wireless card working.

so, for now, i still feel that ubuntu best suits my needs.

when i just use a plain kde session, i'm not sure which is faster- sabayon or ubuntu.

[kazuya]

Hello RAV TUX, I had something like that in the older RR4 Linux; Before they called it Sabayon Linux. At least I think that is what he is having. Well, if that does not help, please write back.

[mips]

i too have a 64 bit processor but opted to install the 32 bit "mini edition." i get a lot of strange glitches when i run beryl, but they seem not to be there when i log in as root. i haven't had too much trouble with beryl in ubuntu, though, so i dont think its my computer (which is by no means a super machine: turion64 processor [~2ghz i think] 512mb ram with 128mb dedicated to ati radeon express 200m graphics card)

I dont like beryl and decided to turn it off. Less weird issues without Beryl. Beryl is beta software and as such i do not expect much from it.



once i figured out how to use emerge/kuroo, i became much more comfortable with gentoo. however, i think the sabayon forums are a little weak. i still haven't been able to get my wireless card working.

so, for now, i still feel that ubuntu best suits my needs.


Yes the sabayon forums are very weak, it's a relative new distro. The beauty though is you can use:
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

So support is not a problem, the gentoo documentation is truely lovely. Stuff I found a bit hard to do in ubuntu seems much easier in sabayon.

Part of the problem is I'm not familiar with gentoo, seems a bit foreign to me compared to debian. this will change though.




when i just use a plain kde session, i'm not sure which is faster- sabayon or ubuntu.

Compare apples to apples. If you use plain kde or kde-core on the one then do it on the other as well. There is no doubt in my mind that sabayon is faster than kubuntu and my kubuntu was customised with stuff like prelink etc. I'm gonna do the same on sabayon.

I'll reinstall Kubuntu Dapper again in the next few days and switch between them.

[RAV TUX]

Yes the sabayon forums are very weak, it's a relative new distro. The beauty though is you can use:
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

So support is not a problem, the gentoo documentation is truely lovely. Stuff I found a bit hard to do in ubuntu seems much easier in sabayon.

Part of the problem is I'm not familiar with gentoo, seems a bit foreign to me compared to debian. this will change though.


Thank You Mips for pointing out what should be painfully obvious....for all intensive purposes Sabayon is Gentoo...so go to Gentoo for help and documentation....Gentoo is the most documented Linux OS, so if you can read and write in the Gentoo forums you should be able to find any solution for Sabayon.

[dbbolton]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

[RAV TUX]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

probably because it is exactly the same as in any other Gnome desktop...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3217/screenshotzc4.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzc4.png)

[RAV TUX]

Sabayon with a Gnome desktop is really simple awesome!

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3006/screenshotau4.th.png (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotau4.png)

[dbbolton]

the mini cd only includes KDE and fluxbox. i don't really plan on emerging gnome because i'd like to get to know kde a little better.

[RAV TUX]

the mini cd only includes KDE and fluxbox.

Thus the primary reason I only do DVD installs.(of any distro)

[RAV TUX]

Fluxbox on Sabayon.....toolbar on autohide;)

http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/9497/fallinginlovewithfluxboxz6.th.png (http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxboxz6.png)

[po0f]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

[RAV TUX]

Fluxbox on Sabayon.....(not on autohide);)

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4752/fallinginlovewithfluxbocj8.th.png (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxbocj8.png)

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

I love that idea...minimalism to the fullest extent

[RAV TUX]

RAV TUX,

Someone on the Gentoo forums uses Fluxbox with a solid black background, no toolbars. Imagine trying to use that computer (if you didn't know what was going on). :D

I actually like the default Sabayon background very much..but if I change I probably won't go solid black...but very minimal would be ideal...

I tweaked the toolbar a bit to get rid of the icons on the toolbar...

My wife actually also fell in love with Fluxbox she hates Icons of any kind...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4661/fallinginlovewithfluxboen7.th.png (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallinginlovewithfluxboen7.png)

[K.Mandla]

Very sharp. And yet ... Fluxbox on Sabayon? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I thought Sabayon was all about cutting-edge eye candy.

[RAV TUX]

Very sharp. And yet ... Fluxbox on Sabayon? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I thought Sabayon was all about cutting-edge eye candy.

Fluxbox is super lightening fast on Sabayon.

Ubuntuforums.org (vBulletin Version 3.6.4. ©2000 - 2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Ubuntu Logo, Ubuntu and Canonical © Canonical Ltd. Tango Icons © Tango Desktop Project) on Firefox [Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061117 Firefox/2.0], Firefox theme: "708090 lite", on Fluxbox 0.9.13 (Fluxbox Core Style: BlueNight) on Sabayon 3.2 x86 (DVD Install)

The beauty of the minimalism and the lightening fast speed are awesome!

[K.Mandla]

Kewl. Where's that wallpaper from? I want that for my Openbox install. :mrgreen:

[RAV TUX]

Kewl. Where's that wallpaper from? I want that for my Openbox install. :mrgreen:

here you go:


http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3950/sabayonlinuxzj9.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabayonlinuxzj9.jpg)

[mips]

The nice thing is Fluxbox is installed by default even with the mini-edition cd.

I usually added fluxbox to my kubuntu installs.

[bonzodog]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme:
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/518/medium/openbox1.png

[mips]

i've been to the gentoo wiki many a time. it seems way too in-depth, if i'm looking for a solution to a simple problem. if i want to run start up programs in gnome, its as simple as sys>prefs>session>startup. i asked how to do the same thing on the sabayon forum, and some guy game me a link to a monstrous article on init scripts.

Thats not a Gentoo issue but a KDE one. You are blaming the OS for the a absent DM feature.

If you want that functionality in KDE via the gui then look at:
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=45975
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35038
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32517
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32554

The above links cover Source code, Gentoo, Debian & Kubuntu distros.

[dbbolton]

i didn't mean to "blame" anything :)


i understand that a new desktop environment is not a new operating system and that a different operating system doesn't necessarily have a different desktop environment, but it so happens that i have a different operating system with a different desktop environment (from Ubuntu). so, i can see how that coupled with my ambiguity could give the impression that i have no idea what im talking about.

i have no problem delving into the gentoo wiki and actually learning How to do something, not just What to do in a situation. my anecdote wasn't meant to be deprecating, just an anecdote.

it may have sounded like "sabayon is harder to use than ubuntu" but i wanted to say "this particular scenario requires more comprehensive input in kde than it does in gnome."

[mips]

it may have sounded like "sabayon is harder to use than ubuntu" but i wanted to say "this particular scenario requires more comprehensive input in kde than it does in gnome."

Ok, now I read you loud and clear ;)

Btw, I'm battling my **** off to get the java plugin to work, probably user error.

[dbbolton]

java plugin on konqueror, or does it apply system-wide to all browsers ?

from the little that i've used konq, i think i prefer ffox, but i'm still open to change.

[mips]

java plugin on konqueror, or does it apply system-wide to all browsers ?

from the little that i've used konq, i think i prefer ffox, but i'm still open to change.

Konq, works fine with java.
FF 32bit did not work with java, it was fixed with emerge -va emul-linux-x86-java

So I think just about everything works now.

[encho]

I've decided to try Sabayon few days ago and I'm really loving it. Even the red theme. It works much faster than Kubuntu or Suse or any other distro that I know of.

To the topic: I had that problem on one machine. Not just the installer, but konqueror and other programs as well failed to run. I tryed runing it from konsole, and got some weird errors about display.

Solution: do not enable aiglx on startup. That worked for me. Try running konqueror from konsole and check the message.

Other solution: try burning the dvd again.

[RAV TUX]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme:
http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/518/medium/openbox1.png

very nice.

[K.Mandla]

heh...heres my openbox on Zenwalk install using a black background and minimal green theme: ...
I'm having a flashback to my old Sperry/Unisys days. ... :shock:

[yabbadabbadont]

I only have gkrellm and a custom wallpaper randomizing script running in my fluxbox setup.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5536/screen20061221224616vq3.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen20061221224616vq3.png)

The wallpaper changes every five minutes since I have so many from which to choose. I snapped this shot while a "safe for work" image was being displayed. :)

Oh, this might be interesting...
/home/bubba $ cat .wallpaperlist | wc -l
52932
/home/bubba $ df -h | grep wallpaper
/dev/sda7 12G 6.5G 5.5G 55% /mnt/wallpaper

[dbbolton]

i left sabayon running and the fell asleep, so when i awoke my session was locked. i couldn't unlock it, because the keyboard didn't work.

i can't remember any strange errors like that in ubuntu. things like that tend to scare me.

[robconscient]

Thanks all - I will give the above a try.

[RAV TUX]

i left sabayon running and the fell asleep, so when i awoke my session was locked. i couldn't unlock it, because the keyboard didn't work.

i can't remember any strange errors like that in ubuntu. things like that tend to scare me.

hmm that has never happened to me on Sabayon.

that has happened to me in KNOPPIX (Gnome desktop)....I remember I just adjusted the setting to not lock the keyboard.

[dbbolton]

i think i'm going to buy one of the dvd's and do a fresh install.

at this point, i'm going to say that ubuntu will still be my main os for some time to come.

[dbbolton]

maybe i spoke to soon. the last time i booted sab, i had no errors that i can remember. im still trying to get used to emerge. if you could consider that emerge:aptitude::kuroo:synaptic (im just speculating), then i would have to say that i prefer the debian side of things in that case.

[dbbolton]

which desktop do you think fits better with sabayon ? i have yet to emerge gnome on mine.

[RAV TUX]

which desktop do you think fits better with sabayon ? i have yet to emerge gnome on mine.

hmmm.....I would say that Gnome, KDE, and Fluxbox are all nice on Sabayon...

you may have to tweak all of them to be comfortable and in your element.;)

[RAV TUX]

maybe i spoke to soon. the last time i booted sab, i had no errors that i can remember. im still trying to get used to emerge. if you could consider that emerge:aptitude::kuroo:synaptic (im just speculating), then i would have to say that i prefer the debian side of things in that case.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_emerge
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1

[Redlance]

turns out im completely screwed. my laptop has a radeon mob 200 video card. (opengl is broken many versions ago) so whenever any opengl is tried on a newer kernel its an automatic hard freeze.

[RAV TUX]

turns out im completely screwed. my laptop has a radeon mob 200 video card. (opengl is broken many versions ago) so whenever any opengl is tried on a newer kernel its an automatic hard freeze.can you change the hardware out on your laptop....I have a R480 [Radeon X850 XT Platinum] video card on my desktop that runs like a dream on Sabayon.

[mips]

i downloaded the sabayon dvd 3.2 32bit version.. wont boot on my laptop HP pavillion with ati 200 mobility..
it hangs at the 3 window icon and stays. tried the music box as some have suggested but no dice. :/
tried noacpmi on f5 no joy there either.. read thier forums seems alot of ATI users have issues..

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1877

Also try booting with one of the following lines, sabayon xgl opengl=ati, opengl=ati, opengl=xorg-x11 xdriver=radeon, noddc

Have you tried the TEXT based installer which is an option at bootup ?

If you can get the OS installed the following might fix your problem:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ati#DRI_problems_with_ATI_XPRESS_200M_PCIe

Also look into DRI.

If you have the OS installed you could always regress to an older driver or play around with various settings.

[rocknrolf77]

It's a strange experience coming from ubuntu to this defualt gnome desktop. Nautilus was the same in fc6 too. Can't understand how anyone can like having nautilus like that, opening in a new window everytime. Got it working the way I like now. And finally, no problems with window borders in beryl. Ubuntu have nice things that sabayon don't have and the other way around. But ubuntu is much more focused on making gnome look good than sabayon. This is the first distro where I feel a bit better using kde once in a while.

How can you get more packages? A lot of apps I like that I want to have like yakuake and exaile. :)

[dbbolton]

emerge/kuroo

[tchoklat]

Hello,

I have raised some of these issues in the beginners forum but still not clear on what I need to do to intsall Sabayon (Live DVD) on to my Edgy Ubuntu system. I am not familiar with partitions and the need to have shared swap drives etc.

Has someone the time and inclination to provide me with an easy to follow guide to install Sabayon (KDE) onto the Ubuntu (Gnome) system with one GRUB allowing me to select either at boot up?

Big ask, but there are some big shoulders out there!

I currently have an edgy system installed clean from the live CD.

Tony

[jordanmthomas]

You can use the Sabayon DVD to resize / move your edgy stuff the way you want and then install Sabayon in the free space you make. Tell it to not install a bootloader, and simply add Sabayon to you /boot/grub/menu.lst (on the edgy partition)
Here's what my Sabayon section of menu.lst looks like:
title Sabayon Linux x86 3.2
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.18-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/sda1 quiet init=/linuxrc CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 vga=0x318
initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.18-gentoo-r5
boot

You will, of course, need to supply the proper kernels, initrd images (located in /boot of your Sabayon installation), and you will need to fix root (hd0,0) to match your system. Say Sabayon is installed in /dev/hda5 ... you would need root(hd0,4)

The easier way would be to let Sabayon install GRUB by itself and it would automatically detect Ubuntu and add an item labeled other in the GRUB menu. Then again, what's the fun of letting it do it for you? :)

All you really need to make sure of is that there is a GRUB installed. It is very simple to add items to it later and people will probably be glad to help out if I stunk at explaining it,


As a side note, the Sabayon DVD installs KDE, Gnome, fluxbox, and enlightenment (e16). It doesn't give you the option to only install one, so if you are only wanting KDE you may want to try the Sabayon CD instead as it only has KDE and fluxbox.

[Rodneyck]

As a side note, the Sabayon DVD installs KDE, Gnome, fluxbox, and enlightenment (e16). It doesn't give you the option to only install one, so if you are only wanting KDE you may want to try the Sabayon CD instead as it only has KDE and fluxbox.

I used the CD and much prefer it. I found myself doing a lot of uninstalling of both OS's and applications with the DVD. BTW, with the CD you get KDE and Fluxbox.

[Kulgan]

downloading dvd. CD didn't work all that well for me...

[tchoklat]

fixed it myself now, thanks for the help guys!

[rai4shu2]

Sabayon (3.25c) installer seems to overwrite the first partition no matter what partition you install to. I had Windows XP installed on the first partition and ended up having to reinstall Windows.

I didn't lose anything important, so no big deal, but I wonder whether this is a bug in GRUB or in the Sabayon version of Anaconda.

[Kulgan]

You can reconfigure GRUB like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows

The partition in the command is for the LINUX partition that you want the bootloader to be put on. In other words, to edit the menu.lst file, you will have to edit the one on that partition.

[rai4shu2]

You can reconfigure GRUB like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...tallingWindows

The partition in the command is for the LINUX partition that you want the bootloader to be put on. In other words, to edit the menu.lst file, you will have to edit the one on that partition.

Is that a reply to my post? :-k

That URL ( I assume you meant https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows ) has nothing to do with Sabayon.

[Kulgan]

sorry about the mistake in the URL :P

the thing is the same whether it is sabayon or Xp that has destroyed the bootloader.

[Rodneyck]

Ok, this is a prime example of why I love Debian so much compared to Gentoo. I wanted to install the 3.2a mini version and then download and install the Gnome OS. The DVD has way to much bloat for me and by nature, I like my OS and applications streamline to what I actually use. What is the point of streaming through menus and icons to find your favorite app?

Anyway, I did some reading on a Gentoo howto page and it seems there are two ways to go about this, and both have negatives.

a) download through a terminal and then compile. Depending on your processor this process takes anywhere from two to three days, straight. Did you get that part? ](*,) I can't be away from my computer that long.

b) download a pre-compiled Gnome, much like a .deb and install. The downside to doing this is that it misses the configuring of many of the quick startups for applications, like open office, etc that are performed during option A above.

My alternative is to install the bloated DVD and live with all the applications as any upgrade (and they appear quite readily) will restore any application I remove, from what I gather.

Ugh!

[rai4shu2]

I see. Sabayon didn't destroy the bootloader. It destroyed part of the partition beyond the MBR (possibly the boot sector or a bit more).

[Kulgan]

I see. Sabayon didn't destroy the bootloader. It destroyed part of the partition beyond the MBR (possibly the boot sector or a bit more).

O.o

Never heard of an OS doing THAT before! Maybe it thought it was free space and tried to use it without your leave...

Rodneyck:
The gentoo install is not that hard if you know how, though it is very time consuming, compared to things like ubuntu. I didn't use sabayon long enough to go through an upgrade, but I must say that the DVD is VERY bloated indeed. I'd say it has more junk installed than windows does, but at least this stuff isn't doing wierd stuff with hidden processes.But seriously, how many programs do you need to do the same thing?

[manmower]

I wanted to install the 3.2a mini version and then download and install the Gnome OS.
Excuse my pedantry, but Gnome's not an OS, but rather a desktop environment.

a) download through a terminal and then compile. Depending on your processor this process takes anywhere from two to three days, straight.

That is the nature of Gentoo... If you cannot live with it why would you try Sabayon in the first place? Also, you can still use the computer while it is compiling (albeit only from the command line if you have no DE installed, but you could compile it from within Gnome for any future updates). Back when I tried Gentoo (which was way before I really got into Linux), you could even set the "niceness" of the compiling process to grant more resources to regular computer use while compiling. Compiling does not equal being unable to use the computer for anything else.

[yabbadabbadont]

Excuse my pedantry, but Gnome's not an OS, but rather a desktop environment.



That is the nature of Gentoo... If you cannot live with it why would you try Sabayon in the first place? Also, you can still use the computer while it is compiling (albeit only from the command line if you have no DE installed, but you could compile it from within Gnome for any future updates). Back when I tried Gentoo (which was way before I really got into Linux), you could even set the "niceness" of the compiling process to grant more resources to regular computer use while compiling. Compiling does not equal being unable to use the computer for anything else.

PORTAGE_NICENESS = [number]
The value of this variable will be added to the current nice level that emerge is running at. In
other words, this will not set the nice level, it will increment it. For more information about
nice levels and what are acceptable ranges, see nice(1).

[Rodneyck]

Well I sort of had a nightmare with Sabayon. I gave in and installed it on two of my computers, the 3.2a mini version. On my main computer, after getting everything re-installed (backed up goods, emails, files, etc) I decided to add a little app that was the equivalent of one I used under gnome, called gnubiff, one of my favorite. In KDE, there is Kbiff, an app to notify you of emails.

DO NOT INSTALL THIS APPLICATION!!!

What I did not realize is that it installed or updated "qt" which in gentoo/Sabayon bizaro world means death to your system, as I so learned the hard way. Fine, live and learn.

I installed Sabayon again with all my backed up apps. I then decided to update using the sabayon wiki which is a sticky in their forum and authored by the creator himself. You would think this would be safe. [-(

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tips#Installation

Following the guide above, it was this, "glsa-check -f all", command that installed/updated the dreaded "qt" again, thus killing the system. Apparently, several programs require this to be updated. It was the end of Sabayon for me. If installing a simple program or performing functions on the distros help guide cause it to kill the system, this beauty for all its eye candy, is not worth it. I would go so far to say that this system is probably comparable to ubuntu feisty at the moment, ie use at your own risk, bugs ahead.

My second computer, which I performed no updates on, lost its internet connection (my isp's fault) thus causing for some strange reason the sound application to stop working. It sent up repeated warning messages on the screen. Why the lost internet connection would effect the sound device is beyond me, but I smelled another bug.

Needless to say, I am back with ubuntu on both systems for the moment. A warning to those trying out Sabayon....back up everything valuable on disk...often.

[Lord Illidan]

Why would installing QT destroy your system???

[Rodneyck]

Why would installing QT destroy your system???

QT is installed, but certain programs and updating apparently updates the QT version and it for some reason, probably a bug w/Sabayon, causes the system to crash. You get a black or white screen on login with a message saying something like, "missing Kdeinit. ...." Do a search on Sabayon's forum under kdeinit, many posts of people in the same situation.

My question is since this is well known and has been for some time, by the dates on the posts about it, why have the devs not masked the package or done something about it? There is also another application, can't remember the name at the moment, starts with a "d" that will crash your system as well if installed or updated. It's listed on the forum if you search on kdeinit.

Very strange. The problem is that many people do not recommend updating/installing using Kuroo which is the only way you can detect if a program is going to install/update QT or this D?? app. If you use the terminal (emerge XXXXX) you must sit and watch what it updates in order to detect the qt program (and some of these installations take hours.) It's just bad, IMO, all the way around. I am very happy with Debian at the moment.

[rai4shu2]

Is this a 3.3.x to 4.1.4 breakage, or 4.1.4 to 4.2.x?

[Rodneyck]

Is this a 3.3.x to 4.1.4 breakage, or 4.1.4 to 4.2.x?

Not sure now that I am no longer running Sabayon, sorry. Check their forums.

[RAV TUX]

Not sure now that I am no longer running Sabayon, sorry. Check their forums.

honestly sounds like user error anyway.

[Rodneyck]

honestly sounds like user error anyway.

Quite the opposite, the forum has it quite covered and many have had their computer hosed like me. The best solution is to manually mask qt and the other app, debt or something close to that name, so no other app can install it.

Still, does not make me feel at ease using the distro.

[RAV TUX]

Quite the opposite, the forum has it quite covered and many have had their computer hosed like me. The best solution is to manually mask qt and the other app, debt or something close to that name, so no other app can install it.

Still, does not make me feel at ease using the distro.interesting ...what do the Gentoo forums say?

[yabbadabbadont]

interesting ...what do the Gentoo forums say?

Nothing. I found the posts about the problem in the Sabayon forums and it appears that the issue is with qt-3.3.6-r5. That version is keyword masked on Gentoo so that a user would have to manually add it to /etc/portage/package.keywords in order for it to be used. This issue is probably why it is masked.

[Rodneyck]

That "qt" package is not masked, I can confirm that... as I reinstalled the system twice as a result, and I did not force any packet.

[jordanmthomas]

* x11-libs/qt
Latest version available: 4.2.1
Latest version installed: 4.1.4
Size of files: 36,200 kB
Homepage: http://www.trolltech.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application development framework.
License: || ( QPL-1.0 GPL-2 )
It's not masked, like Rodneyck says.
The thing is, I updated world a week or so ago and the new qt didn't mess anything up for me.
I have since done a reinstall (for unrelated reasons) and now I am afraid to upgrade.
Thanks for the heads up though.

[yabbadabbadont]

It is masked on Gentoo.... I thought that was clear from context. ;)

http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=qt

Edit: Actually, I clearly stated that it is keyword masked on Gentoo, so the Hell with context. :lol:

[jordanmthomas]

:-# I didn't even see your other post.

[rai4shu2]

I guess the tip for us newbies is to always do a emerge -vp package first and make sure it isn't about to do something major to your system.

[Rodneyck]

I guess the tip for us newbies is to always do a emerge -vp package first and make sure it isn't about to do something major to your system.

A very good idea for sure.

A tip for those that do happen upon this or any other kdeinit bug, is to boot into fluxbox which comes installed with KDE. You can then back up any important data. Unfortunately, as reported on their forum, the only fix to restoring KDE is to either use the disk's repair feature (which takes about 5 to 6 hours) or the best solution is to just format your hd and reload 3.2a mini from disk.

[RAV TUX]

A very good idea for sure.

A tip for those that do happen upon this or any other kdeinit bug, is to boot into fluxbox which comes installed with KDE. You can then back up any important data. Unfortunately, as reported on their forum, the only fix to restoring KDE is to either use the disk's repair feature (which takes about 5 to 6 hours) or the best solution is to just format your hd and reload 3.2a mini from disk.The disc repair found on the live CD does take overnight....but if you simple can't sleep I suggest using "The Sixth Sense"

much more faster and works flawlessly (at least for me and my hardware)

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337438

[FuturePilot]

Ok, well now that I've got Ubuntu up and running pretty much perfectly, I'm board. I would like to give Sabayon a shot, but I have a few questions. First of all, I've heard that Gentoo is like a build it yourself kind of distro. Would it be easy to use coming from a Debian based OS? I am willing to learn new stuff, but I'm just wondering if it would be like an overload. How is Sabayon with hardware detection, especially printers? One thing that is annoying with Ubuntu is that I've got 5 different printers (all HP) and not one of them prints right. I still love Ubuntu and plan on using it for a long time, but that's just annoying me. Is there an equivalent to Synaptic at all?
Thanks:)

[RAV TUX]

Ok, well now that I've got Ubuntu up and running pretty much perfectly, I'm board. I would like to give Sabayon a shot, but I have a few questions. First of all, I've heard that Gentoo is like a build it yourself kind of distro. Would it be easy to use coming from a Debian based OS? I am willing to learn new stuff, but I'm just wondering if it would be like an overload. How is Sabayon with hardware detection, especially printers? One thing that is annoying with Ubuntu is that I've got 5 different printers (all HP) and not one of them prints right. I still love Ubuntu and plan on using it for a long time, but that's just annoying me. Is there an equivalent to Synaptic at all?
Thanks:)Sabayon is Gentoo but pre-compiled Gentoo....so no building envolved....(maybe unmerge and emerge)

I came from Debian based distros and found Sabayon (Gentoo) easier

no overload....you will be surprised at how much easier it is

have never had problems with printers but anything is possible

Sabayon has out standing hardware detection...comparable to KNOPPIX

Equivalent to Synaptic? not really unless you count Kuroo? but superior to Synaptic is emerge.....embrace emerge and set yourself free from the shackles of the gui

[FuturePilot]

Thanks for the reply RAV TUX. You were the one that got me curious about Sabayon. I keep hearing you, as well as others, say how nice and beautiful it is. I'm really excited about trying it out now.
:guitar:

[pissedoffdude]

Well I have installed sabayon on my laptop and I am very impressed. This is the most beautiful distros and one of the quickest I have tried yet. Sabayon rocks :guitar:

[RAV TUX]

Thanks for the reply RAV TUX. You were the one that got me curious about Sabayon. I keep hearing you, as well as others, say how nice and beautiful it is. I'm really excited about trying it out now.
:guitar:Good Welcome!:D

Well I have installed sabayon on my laptop and I am very impressed. This is the most beautiful distros and one of the quickest I have tried yet. Sabayon rocks :guitar:

Now, your feeling me! :D

[zaratustra]

I have downloaded iso and burned a dvd. Beacuse of lack of time I didn't even put the dvd into laptop, but, because I was impressed by "impressedness" of users here, I recommended it to my friend, ubuntu was his religion. Now, he is calling me via ICQ, thankfully telling me that Sabayon is best disto he ever tried, everything, _EVERYTHING_ , is working out of box on his laptop. Just, his laptop isn't so new (he likes beryl and stuff), so Sabayon will be installed only on desktop. Just wanted to say that you have one mate more.

[Rodneyck]

I have downloaded iso and burned a dvd. Beacuse of lack of time I didn't even put the dvd into laptop, but, because I was impressed by "impressedness" of users here, I recommended it to my friend, ubuntu was his religion. Now, he is calling me via ICQ, thankfully telling me that Sabayon is best disto he ever tried, everything, _EVERYTHING_ , is working out of box on his laptop. Just, his laptop isn't so new (he likes beryl and stuff), so Sabayon will be installed only on desktop. Just wanted to say that you have one mate more.

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.

[mips]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.

Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

[Rodneyck]

Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

That's true, it is fast and probably more stable at the core, although somethings obviously do not work well out of the box.

I have a love/hate relationship with this distro. I want to love it, but everytime I try it I run up against something that makes it not a useful distro (examples in previous post.) The initial impressions are, well, impressive especially the livecd, but my round-about-point is to wait and use if for a month before claiming it is the best distro ever. Then, I would still disagree with that statement. ;)

I hope the masters follow through on some of the problems in the next update, time will tell.

[mips]

That's true, it is fast and probably more stable at the core, although somethings obviously do not work well out of the box.

I have a love/hate relationship with this distro. I want to love it, but everytime I try it I run up against something that makes it not a useful distro (examples in previous post.) The initial impressions are, well, impressive especially the livecd, but my round-about-point is to wait and use if for a month before claiming it is the best distro ever. Then, I would still disagree with that statement. ;)

I hope the masters follow through on some of the problems in the next update, time will tell.

Well I'm using v3.25a and have been using it for 3 months or more now. I tried ubuntu again the other day and it felt dog slow to me.

I'm not upgrading to v3.26, I would rather wait for v3.3 and this time I'm getting the DVD image. Will uninstall the bloat I dont need on the dvd.

[zaratustra]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.I love these people spitting around on everything that walks. Who are you to temper anything?

[mips]

Well he has an opinion and he is entitled to it in my book, good or bad.

[Rodneyck]

My comment was not directed at one person, just a plea to those newbies to give the distro a while before claiming its the greatest out of the box. A blind eye will not further develop nor fix the problems it has.

Mips, I was using the 3.2 mini. When you do upgrade the DVD to 3.3, won't that just restore all those apps again?

One other problem I had was with Konqueror on Sabayon. Whatever default plugins they have loaded caused errors on some of the webpages for me. I could never visit www.apple.com because it would crash on their main webpage. I am assuming that was a plugin problem, probably flash. In Kubuntu, Konqueror is rock solid.

With that said, I am keeping my eye on their forums and the progress of the devs in hopes to return to Sabayon as my main distro one day, just not today.

[RAV TUX]

Yes, I love these "initial" posts. Everythings a winner until you try to print, or wait for half a day to install something... or do to the fatal kdeinit (check their forums) qt update that hoses your system, yes, Sabayon is great.

Sorry for the cynical post, but making that distro sound like the cats' meow has to be tempered somewhat.It's to bad your having technical difficulties, perhaps you should honestly stick with Ubuntu or another OS, in Linux there are hundreds....I am sure one is just for you...if not build your own.

Different strokes to different folks. It works great for me and makes ubuntu feel like a snail.

I ain't running back to ubuntu for a while...

+1

I have been using Sabayon for about 4 months now and I have never found any OS so easy, Gentoo/Sabayon is perfection in user friendliness....and Sabayon is the most stable and fastest OS I have ever found....I never knew it could all be so easy and fun.

[Kulgan]

It seems to me that the time spent compiling gentoo is less than the time taken to uninstall all the bloat that's on the dvd. The CD doesn't work for me, for some reason... Hardware detection issues, apperently... And at least for gentoo you can leave it alone and do other stuff for most of the time. Whereas for sabayon, you have to sit at the terminal unmerging all the junk that comes with it. nope, i'm sticking with gentoo and ubuntu... and mebbe a couple more that I pick up along the road...

-K

[mips]

Mips, I was using the 3.2 mini. When you do upgrade the DVD to 3.3, won't that just restore all those apps again?


I never upgrade, I always do a clean install irrespective of which os/distro i'm using.

[mips]

It seems to me that the time spent compiling gentoo is less than the time taken to uninstall all the bloat that's on the dvd. The CD doesn't work for me, for some reason... Hardware detection issues, apperently... And at least for gentoo you can leave it alone and do other stuff for most of the time. Whereas for sabayon, you have to sit at the terminal unmerging all the junk that comes with it. nope, i'm sticking with gentoo and ubuntu... and mebbe a couple more that I pick up along the road...

-K

Is it really that bad. Why can you not create a list of packages and have a script running in the background unmerging the unwanted stuff.

If it is bad I will just go with the 3.3mini version then.

[Kulgan]

Is it really that bad. Why can you not create a list of packages and have a script running in the background unmerging the unwanted stuff.

To me, it IS 'that bad' to have five different programs that do about the same thing. But I didn't think of making a script to do it ](*,) Oh well, too late now :D

I'd still give it a try. Not everybody hates giant mutated menus and the like...

-K

[mips]

I'd still give it a try. Not everybody hates giant mutated menus and the like...


I don't like bloat. the only time bloat might come in handy is when you 'have to' use a livecd to fix things or somehting of the sorts, but for that I have a knoppix cd lying around somewhere.

[rplantz]

I'm running the 64bit version, gentoo is true multi-arch so 64bit should be pretty trouble free. Sabayon is way faster than ubuntu/kubuntu.

What do you mean by "true multi-arch"? How does Sabayon differ from Ubuntu/Debian's 32-bit chroot.

I've installed Gentoo on one of my disks. It took a looonnng time, but it does seem to run faster. I am running gnome. I was unable to get kde running well on either my Ubuntu or my Debian installations, so I don't have a good feel for how it. One thing I did notice is that konquerer seems very, very slow.

I still do not have my Gentoo completed. I'm stuck at printing. My configuration looks very similar to my Ubuntu one, but no go. I can talk to the printer with lp and lpr, but it's not pretty. And my apps claim to print, but the bits go off to never-never land.

If I install Sabayon, can I then treat my installation like a regular Gentoo one? One of my disappointments with Ubuntu is that I cannot simply switch over to Debian in it.

[yabbadabbadont]

What do you mean by "true multi-arch"? How does Sabayon differ from Ubuntu/Debian's 32-bit chroot.

I've installed Gentoo on one of my disks. It took a looonnng time, but it does seem to run faster. I am running gnome. I was unable to get kde running well on either my Ubuntu or my Debian installations, so I don't have a good feel for how it. One thing I did notice is that konquerer seems very, very slow.

I still do not have my Gentoo completed. I'm stuck at printing. My configuration looks very similar to my Ubuntu one, but no go. I can talk to the printer with lp and lpr, but it's not pretty. And my apps claim to print, but the bits go off to never-never land.

If I install Sabayon, can I then treat my installation like a regular Gentoo one? One of my disappointments with Ubuntu is that I cannot simply switch over to Debian in it.

Make sure that you are using ghostscript-esp and not ghostscript. ghostscript-esp has more, and more up to date, drivers than ghostscript. If I remember correctly, ghostscript is the default ebuild pulled in to satisfy the "virtual/ghostscript" dependency...

[rplantz]

Make sure that you are using ghostscript-esp and not ghostscript. ghostscript-esp has more, and more up to date, drivers than ghostscript. If I remember correctly, ghostscript is the default ebuild pulled in to satisfy the "virtual/ghostscript" dependency...

Thank you, I already did that one. I can use lp and lpr to print, except the print area is too far up and to the left. (Top and left are cut off.) But I still can't even print a test page from the gnome printers utility, let alone gedit, etc.

[yabbadabbadont]

Thank you, I already did that one. I can use lp and lpr to print, except the print area is too far up and to the left. (Top and left are cut off.) But I still can't even print a test page from the gnome printers utility, let alone gedit, etc.

I never used Gnome in Gentoo, so I can't help you there. The only thing I can suggest for that issue is to check your USE flags and make sure that all of the appropriate printing related ones are enabled. You also need to use "emerge -pv packagename" to check the USE flags that were in effect when the package was last emerged. If the two differ, you'll need to re-emerge all your gnome stuff again. :(

As for your other issue, if the margins and such work in Ubuntu, you might try copying the correct ppd file from Ubuntu to Gentoo. Or at least compare the two for differences.

[xmastree]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

[Steveway]

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2643
Here are the torrents for the newest release.
Use Azureus or your favourite Torrentapp.

[lzfy]

You have to clıck on the release notes. But I agree that it is not very user friendly.

[jdhore]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

Really, the only "effective links" are the torrent links...
Link to x86 DVD iso torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3406
Link to x86_x64 DVD ISO torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3407
here's an FTP mirror of both: ftp://dotdot.mine.nu/sabayon/iso

[kevinlyfellow]

I can't seem to find it easier... maybe their trying to save their bandwidth ;-) ... try the latest knoppix and at the boot prompt type in

knoppix desktop=beryl

[xmastree]

DVD only? That could be a problem...

[thisllub]

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=27

Like every distro I follow the link from Distrowatch.com.

Be careful installing it it will probably trample your GRUB configuration.

I have tried it for a month and although for the most part it is very good there are some things like Portage that really annoy me. I can't get any stability at all out of any Mozilla based browser. I believe it is because of the nsplugin (?) for 64 bit linux.

In my opinion apt-get is the best system.
If rdesktop worked properly under Ubuntu I wouldn't dual boot.

[Steveway]

Look at my Link.
The Mini Edition is for CD's.

[unbuntu]

They actually have FTP/Http mirror sites...but you have to do some digging on their forum to find that out. They're a relatively new distro and gained a quick popularity so they might be a bit short on bandwidth.

[xmastree]

Look at my Link.
The Mini Edition is for CD's.

Ok, got it coming in now. Thanks.

[RAV TUX]

moving to the Gentoo (and derivatives) forum

[xmastree]

Thanks Rav. I knew there would be a better place for it.

[Adamant1988]

I've got about 3 hours left on my download of this distribution, I'll let you guys know what I think. I'm hoping that it is friendly for my 64 bit laptop.

[RAV TUX]

I've seen this in people's sigs, and heard that it comes with Beryl on a live CD so I thought I'd give it a try.

But...

Where do I get it from?

If you go to ubuntu.com, there's a download link on the front page.

Go to http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ , well there's a 'get SabayonLinux link, but while there is a reference to downloading it, there's nowhere to download it from. There are links to people selling it though...

There's a 'mirrors' link. Empty.



They'll need to do better than that. :confused:

I suggest you download the torrents at linuxtracker.org:

http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-search.php?search=sabayon+

and remember Sabayon is Gentoo....Gentoo is the most documented distro on the planet Earth.....don't expect Sabayon to reinvent the wheel, refer to the Gentoo documentation for help....and use your friendly search engine...

Gentoo/Sabayon requires you to be able to intelligently solve your own problems...the tools are provided to you already...if you have exhausted all your efforts and fully utilized every document at your disposal...then go to the IRC channel irc.oftc.net>#sabayon

[aeto]

ahh yes sweet saviour..this is going to replace my broken gentoo :lol: I just need something to cut down the time it takes to compile everything and calculate all the values..however im also surprised that there is no easy way to get the mini-mees by http/ftp.

ok here u go: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23447#23447 (mini-me edition, didnt link it directly as i want to aknowledge the user who provided it)

[mips]

..however im also surprised that there is no easy way to get the mini-mees by http/ftp.


There is if you are willing to pay a buck or two. Sabayon does not have the resources some other distros have at this stage.

Here are two pay sites:
http://www.madtux.org/select.php?distro=Sabayon
http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=41_227&zenid=tmb60ugdccc7j2999ml5ksq722

[RAV TUX]

merged with similar stickied thread

[Frak]

Really, the only "effective links" are the torrent links...
Link to x86 DVD iso torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3406
Link to x86_x64 DVD ISO torrent: http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3407
here's an FTP mirror of both: ftp://dotdot.mine.nu/sabayon/iso
Thanks JD

[xmastree]

Hmm, well first impressions aren't so good. Screen stuck at 640x480 with the option to make it smaller? 320x200? Who runs that?
The only reason I tried it was to take a look at this Beryl thing I keep reading about. So I had a look at the config program on the desktop, and saw that there were basic settings in there.
But I don't think it was actually running, as things seemed to happen just normally.

I know, I'll try typing beryl in a console and see what it suggests.

Couldn't find a console, so I used alt-F2 instead. Started typing, and beryl-wrapper appeared, so I ran it.

This was different. I opened a small app, but this time I couldn't move it around the screen, so I couldn't see the minimise button. Minimised it from the taskbar instead, expecting something funky to happen, but it didn't.

Boo.

[RAV TUX]

Hmm, well first impressions aren't so good. Screen stuck at 640x480 with the option to make it smaller? 320x200? Who runs that?
The only reason I tried it was to take a look at this Beryl thing I keep reading about. So I had a look at the config program on the desktop, and saw that there were basic settings in there.
But I don't think it was actually running, as things seemed to happen just normally.

I know, I'll try typing beryl in a console and see what it suggests.

Couldn't find a console, so I used alt-F2 instead. Started typing, and beryl-wrapper appeared, so I ran it.

This was different. I opened a small app, but this time I couldn't move it around the screen, so I couldn't see the minimise button. Minimised it from the taskbar instead, expecting something funky to happen, but it didn't.

Boo.did you seek at help at #sabayon?

[xmastree]

No, I'll try it again when i have more time. I didn't give it a fair crack of the whip to be honest. I suspect that neither of my computers is really up to running beryl anyway.

[Rodneyck]

New review just in...

There is a newer distro in town, gaining traction. Sabayon Linux is an installable, Gentoo based live Cd/DVD. It has the stated goal of being 100% Gentoo compatible. A lot of attention has been paid to the Sabayon brand. Theming is consistent and striking. Sabayon is one of the best looking distros I have used. More...

http://www.linuxtechdaily.com/2007/02/review-sabayon-linux/

=D>

[mips]

Been very happy with it for the last 4 months to the point of where I don't even have any form of ubuntu.

[krimson]

i do enjoy using sabayon, but i absolutely HATE portage/emerge.

maybe ubuntu spoiled me, but all those stupid masked packages and everything, i cant stand it... i have sabayon 3.1 i think and i use gnome, and i really enjoy it, i just am jealous that my gf can just go to aptitude and update everything with like one command

[RAV TUX]

i do enjoy using sabayon, but i absolutely HATE portage/emerge.

maybe ubuntu spoiled me, but all those stupid masked packages and everything, i cant stand it... i have sabayon 3.1 i think and i use gnome, and i really enjoy it, i just am jealous that my gf can just go to aptitude and update everything with like one command

..the latest release is 3.26

I absolutely LOVE Emerge....emerge for me is the main reason I use Sabayon and stay with it....but hey that is just me:popcorn:

[confused57]

I have Gentoo & Sabayon both installed & I've found portage & emerge pretty easy to use...just have to get used to it taking much longer to compile packages from source.

In both Sabayon & Gentoo, I routinely do emerge --sync, however I read in the Sabayon forums that it's not recommended to do an --update world...I haven't been able to anyway, due to masked dependencies. I assume if I unmask one dependency to update, there would just be more to follow.

Added: Thanks RAV TUX, that's what I'll do...Sabayon is an impressive distro, like having Gentoo already compiled and configured, without spending weeks "attempting" to install everything.

[RAV TUX]

I have Gentoo & Sabayon both installed & I've found portage & emerge pretty easy to use...just have to get used to it taking much longer to compile packages from source.

In both Sabayon & Gentoo, I routinely do emerge --sync, however I read in the Sabayon forums that it's not recommended to do an --update world...I haven't been able to anyway, due to masked dependencies. I assume if I unmask one dependency to update, there would just be more to follow.

I routinely do:

emerge --sync

emerge portage

emerge layman

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[mips]

I routinely do:


You might want to add layman -S to that.

[RAV TUX]

You might want to add layman -S to that.

Thanks mips:popcorn:

[kazuya]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt. I constantly change b/w sabayon and zenwalk now. Zenwalk seems faster for me on the same PC with all the samethings installed.

Ofcourse, Beryl in Sabayon is done great. I have gotten Beryl working fine before with zenwalk. It just seems faster to install and setup Zenwalk the way I want than it is with Sabayon.

This may be subjective. Also I get this annoying bug report thing or prompt from my gnome desktop in Sabayon. It is not that bad though.

Both of these distros had made coming back to Ubuntu or Debian an impossibility. They just fly. And they do so beautifully.

[RAV TUX]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt. I constantly change b/w sabayon and zenwalk now. Zenwalk seems faster for me on the same PC with all the samethings installed.

Ofcourse, Beryl in Sabayon is done great. I have gotten Beryl working fine before with zenwalk. It just seems faster to install and setup Zenwalk the way I want than it is with Sabayon.

This may be subjective. Also I get this annoying bug report thing or prompt from my gnome desktop in Sabayon. It is not that bad though.

Both of these distros had made coming back to Ubuntu or Debian an impossibility. They just fly. And they do so beautifully.

both Zenwalk and Sabayon are awesome!

I also highly recommend rPath and Wolvix Hunter

[justin whitaker]

It is intimidating due emerge. It finally worked fine for me. Kuroo is not all that great. It is very slow compared to synaptic or netpkg or gslapt.

Funny, I thought I was the only one to notice that. I prefer using CLI instead....

[rai4shu2]

Kuroo needs to provide better feedback and make the purpose of its features more definite. It seems to my mind to present the user with a lot vague and confusing options.

[ahaslam]

Off the current topic a little...

Can the Quake 4 demo be played from the live disc?
I couldn't launch it on my laptop, but maybe it required Nvidia/ATi graphics...

I ask because I'm building a new desktop next week & it should be a good test of performance.

Tony ;)

[RAV TUX]

Off the current topic a little...

Can the Quake 4 demo be played from the live disc?
yes.

[ahaslam]

Cheers, I guess it just won't launch with inadequate hardware ;)

Tony :)

[rai4shu2]

I tried out Quake 4 once with a 1.5 GHz k7 5200FX nvidia machine, and it was pitifully slow. I got about 2 or 3 FPS overall. If you don't have a machine that's midrange or better by 2006 standards, you can forget about Quake 4.

[ahaslam]

Sounds like the perfect test for a new build & OC stability ;)

BTW, heard the news from Distrowatch? It doesn't sound too good, lets hope the dev's will be replaced quickly.

Tony.

[RAV TUX]

Sounds like the perfect test for a new build & OC stability ;)

BTW, heard the news from Distrowatch? It doesn't sound too good, lets hope the dev's will be replaced quickly.

Tony.
I haven't heard the news....have a link?

I honestly am not sure the new changes will have any effect,...it may just be a bunch of hype.

[RAV TUX]

ok NO news at distrowatch....

The Gentoo-based SabayonLinux (http://distrowatch.com/sabayon), with its innovative and often bleeding-edge approach towards building a Linux operating system, became one of the brightest new stars on the Linux distributions scene in 2006. Unfortunately, its growing popularity and user demands on the development team has brought about the distribution's first casualties - as announced last week, two SabayonLinux developers / contributors resigned from the project. Christopher Villareal (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=271&Itemid=2): "I have decided that I need to resign as SabayonLinux's co-lead and move on. I would like to focus more on my studies and graduate school but I hope to remain active in the Linux community." James Laslavic (http://www.geekperspective.com/blog/archives/32): "Effective immediately, I resign from my post as the art coordinator for SabayonLinux. So long, and thanks for all the fish." Let's hope that SabayonLinux will be able to weather this mini-crisis and move on to bring us more great new releases!http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070219#news

honestly I am good friends with both Chris and James, but you have to remember lxnay has always been the original developer since rr64 days, he is still at the helm....and it sounds like Dark Mage is taking over the art development...

so I see little if any change overall for Sabayon...

I do wish the best for both Chris and James in all their future endeavors.

new IRC channel is at freenode #sabayon

[yabbadabbadont]

The developer exodous from the Gentoo dev team continues as well...

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-541247-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html

I'm thinking I left at the right time. :(

[Rodneyck]

These sorts of issues even happen on pay distros. Developers leave for better pay, in-house fighting, and countless reasons. There use to be another great source-based distro, actually they are still around I think, called Sorceror. From what I have read, real rock-solid despite their cheesy website.

They had some sort of in-house break-up and half the devs went off and created Source Mage which is also on distrowatch. Sorcerer suffered and went stagnant for several years, leaving users at a loss. I think they are back in operation now, not sure.

I guess the moral of the story is don't get to attached to your favortie distribution because you never know what tomorrow brings.

[doobit]

I'm always sorry to see good people go away, especially when the project they made together works to well.

[montgoej]

After all the talk and screenshots about Sabayon I've seen, I've decided to break down and install it. Goodbye PC-BSD(the partition I'm gonna erase to install it), hello Sabayon! Anyone got any tips for a new Sabayon user?
~Jordan Montgomery

[RAV TUX]

After all the talk and screenshots about Sabayon I've seen, I've decided to break down and install it. Goodbye PC-BSD(the partition I'm gonna erase to install it), hello Sabayon! Anyone got any tips for a new Sabayon user?
~Jordan Montgomeryuse the IRC channel and Gentoo documentation primarily for help with Sabayon....do not expect a well developed forum like here.

Use your fav. search engine also...and remember Sabayon is Gentoo so what ever works in Gentoo works in Sabayon...

but if you are fortunate enough like many people you will find that Sabayon is one of the few distros where everything simple works...

also download both the 3.26 DVD version and also the older mini-version just in case your computer isn't up to par for the DVD install

Sabayon is far better then PC-BSD and most other Linux distros....many Sabayon users dual boot Sabayon and Ubuntu...

I use both on different computers

Sabayon has been my primary OS for over 4 months.

[zaratustra]

The developer exodous from the Gentoo dev team continues as well...
Not good:((( I've read some posts there... Hope that they will make it up:(

[montgoej]

I downloaded the mini-cd cause I don't have a dvd-burner but Sabayon is...amazing. Fast install and it just works. I'll definately be using Sabayon Linux a lot. Through custom compiles of kernels and all the other stuff and ubuntu, it's never came close to the speed.
~Jordan Montgomery

[RAV TUX]

I downloaded the mini-cd cause I don't have a dvd-burner but Sabayon is...amazing. Fast install and it just works. I'll definately be using Sabayon Linux a lot. Through custom compiles of kernels and all the other stuff and ubuntu, it's never came close to the speed.
~Jordan Montgomeryexactly!,...now you understand just one of the many reasons why Sabayon is my primary OS.

[RAV TUX]

Not good:((( I've read some posts there... Hope that they will make it up:(

not a big deal...SUSE, Debian, even Ubuntu has had their fair share of change.

[FuturePilot]

Is there a way to force an earlier version of Beryl in Sabayon? 0.1.1 is the only version that seems to work flawlessly on my laptop.

[pirothezero]

well I am going to give it a shot like most people in this thread and install it on my laptop to check it out. I been looking for a distro to put on my laptop that will work with no problems and zero setup, curious to see how it handles the wifi connectivity.

Thanks for the idea.

[yigal.weinstein]

As a vegan or at least a person who believes eggs of other animals are unecessary and cruel way of eating Sabayon is a hard name to stomache. Ubuntu on the other hand is easy to stomache but has problems. Should I not worry about the name, or what?

[yabbadabbadont]

As a vegan or at least a person who believes eggs of other animals are unecessary and cruel way of eating Sabayon is a hard name to stomache. Ubuntu on the other hand is easy to stomache but has problems. Should I not worry about the name, or what?

Interesting. You have doubts about using a software project, because it is named after a dessert that uses eggs as one of the ingredients... :roll:

[Cloudy]

Stupid question time!

Where do I find the mini edition? All I can find is the LiveDVD.

[yigal.weinstein]

Interesting. You have doubts about using a software project, because it is named after a dessert that uses eggs as one of the ingredients... :roll:

You are correct. I won't let it get to me very much though. It looks pretty good and by default to.

[RAV TUX]

Stupid question time!

Where do I find the mini edition? All I can find is the LiveDVD.
Sabayon Linux 3.2 x86-64 miniEdition (CD)

http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3261


Sabayon Linux 3.2a x86 miniEdition (CD)

http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3260

also if you buy the latest edition of Linux Pro Magazine(March 2007) it includes a DVD of 11 small distros, it includes SabayonLinux 3.2 mini Edition

[Cloudy]

Thanks, RAV TUX.

[pirothezero]

well I am going to give it a shot like most people in this thread and install it on my laptop to check it out. I been looking for a distro to put on my laptop that will work with no problems and zero setup, curious to see how it handles the wifi connectivity.

Thanks for the idea.
So today I installed Sabayon on my ibm t41 after having issues with the first cd that I think got overburned and stalled the bootup of the kernel.

Anyways...

Things to keep in mind: I do not consider myself an awesome badass at anything linux related, so keep in mind if you read my thoughts that replies like "oh well distro x does that too if you just read it", etc. That very well may be the case, I wouldn't know. I am fairly new to ubuntu after a final move from windows about a week ago. However I have tried various distros since 2002-2003, just never could quite make the move completely over due to just wanting something that would just work, and I always run into something that would just break the entire system some how. Redhat --> Slackware --> gentoo --> gentoo --> ubuntu --> kubuntu --> sabayon is my track record over the last 3 years or so, as you can see periods where I had couple months of zero linux activity.

Anyways x 2...

I am completely blown away by it. Words cannot describe it imo. It's like coming across that perfect webpage that has everything you need one click away with zero spam, zero confusion, and zero problems.

Installation as mentioned was flawless, I used the dvd 3.25. Options and the way the menus were designed were intuitive and easy to follow/watch.

I have yet to find anything that doesn't work on my laptop in terms of devices and the automatic setting up of everything that would be useful is ingenious. For example my windows partition that i also have on here is automatically mounted. Wifi network manager perfect zero configuration. Ummm what else...the control panel has many options including emerald and beryl managers, haven't tried either yet though. Have yet to test out my 1993 laserjet 4 or my hp g55 printers or my ipod or external drives but I imagine there shouldn't be much problem in any of those departments.

Of the 5-6 desktops I have tried just gnome and xfce so far. Gnome is gnome but I do like the flavor that sabayon has made with the layout and such. The menu is amazing, a refreshing experience from the normal taskbar/menu that is commonly used in xp and normal kde/gnome distros. Not to mention every application I just about needed installed by default ready to go.

As for xfce I haven't been on it much just about 15 minutes so still checking it out but I am liking the speed it has.

Overall super impressed pretty much, what Rav said in his original post I have to 2nd completely. I have yet to play around with gentoo though since I haven't found anything I needed to install from portage yet, but I imagine it should be just about the same as when I was on gentoo unless they did something completely unexpected with that too. For a new user this distro would be helpful in so many ways, this is one of the best jumping into the deep end distros and not drowning immediately distros I have experienced. Personally as an amateur linux user who just converted completely, if the gentoo i had installed year or two ago been this I would have switched over completely.

As for problems I will make a list as I come across them, one thing did stand out though. On the second boot when I got into the desktop nothing would start. This was right after I rebooted after logging off of xp though and was wondering if maybe that had something to do with it so I shutdown and restarted and applications would start up again, might have been a fluke or something so I don't know, but it was the only frustrating thing I could think of so far about sabayon.

I'll be back after a day or two of playing around once I get some free time.

[mips]

Glad to see you are liking it.

[RAV TUX]

So today I installed Sabayon on my ibm t41 after having issues with the first cd that I think got overburned and stalled the bootup of the kernel.

Anyways...

Things to keep in mind: I do not consider myself an awesome badass at anything linux related, so keep in mind if you read my thoughts that replies like "oh well distro x does that too if you just read it", etc. That very well may be the case, I wouldn't know. I am fairly new to ubuntu after a final move from windows about a week ago. However I have tried various distros since 2002-2003, just never could quite make the move completely over due to just wanting something that would just work, and I always run into something that would just break the entire system some how. Redhat --> Slackware --> gentoo --> gentoo --> ubuntu --> kubuntu --> sabayon is my track record over the last 3 years or so, as you can see periods where I had couple months of zero linux activity.

Anyways x 2...

I am completely blown away by it. Words cannot describe it imo. It's like coming across that perfect webpage that has everything you need one click away with zero spam, zero confusion, and zero problems.

Installation as mentioned was flawless, I used the dvd 3.25. Options and the way the menus were designed were intuitive and easy to follow/watch.

I have yet to find anything that doesn't work on my laptop in terms of devices and the automatic setting up of everything that would be useful is ingenious. For example my windows partition that i also have on here is automatically mounted. Wifi network manager perfect zero configuration. Ummm what else...the control panel has many options including emerald and beryl managers, haven't tried either yet though. Have yet to test out my 1993 laserjet 4 or my hp g55 printers or my ipod or external drives but I imagine there shouldn't be much problem in any of those departments.

Of the 5-6 desktops I have tried just gnome and xfce so far. Gnome is gnome but I do like the flavor that sabayon has made with the layout and such. The menu is amazing, a refreshing experience from the normal taskbar/menu that is commonly used in xp and normal kde/gnome distros. Not to mention every application I just about needed installed by default ready to go.

As for xfce I haven't been on it much just about 15 minutes so still checking it out but I am liking the speed it has.

Overall super impressed pretty much, what Rav said in his original post I have to 2nd completely. I have yet to play around with gentoo though since I haven't found anything I needed to install from portage yet, but I imagine it should be just about the same as when I was on gentoo unless they did something completely unexpected with that too. For a new user this distro would be helpful in so many ways, this is one of the best jumping into the deep end distros and not drowning immediately distros I have experienced. Personally as an amateur linux user who just converted completely, if the gentoo i had installed year or two ago been this I would have switched over completely.

As for problems I will make a list as I come across them, one thing did stand out though. On the second boot when I got into the desktop nothing would start. This was right after I rebooted after logging off of xp though and was wondering if maybe that had something to do with it so I shutdown and restarted and applications would start up again, might have been a fluke or something so I don't know, but it was the only frustrating thing I could think of so far about sabayon.

I'll be back after a day or two of playing around once I get some free time.Simply awesome thanks for the positive input.

[ahaslam]

I'm looking forward to Sabayon Linux 3.3. I've built a new PC & the older/current version wont boot (neither does Ubuntu). I hope they keep in the Quake 4 demmo, I want to test my graphics card ;)

Should be due any time now shouldn't it?

[mips]

I hope they keep in the Quake 4 demmo, I want to test my graphics card ;)

Should be due any time now shouldn't it?

No quake4 demo, but you can still install it though if you want it. They have a new demo for you though :)

Well it is currently on RC1 status so it probably won't be that much longer.

[ahaslam]

They have a new demo for you though

What's that then? You've got me intrigued, I hope it's a card killer ;)

Tony

[mips]

What's that then? You've got me intrigued, I hope it's a card killer ;)

Tony

Definately a card killer. I'm actually thinking of buying it as it is my type of game.

You will see soon enough...

[ahaslam]

aaghhh, the suspense ;)

Lets hope it boots, eh?

[mips]

aaghhh, the suspense ;)

Lets hope it boots, eh?

Trust me it boots, and faster as well :)

[ahaslam]

You're making me salivate in anticipation ;)

[watson540]

yeah so i download the 3.2 64 bit mini cd cause i tried getting the dvd, but my hijacked wireless isnt that good and the mirrors are always bogged. in any case i thought it would be cool and knew i would have to tinker with some stuff, which is what kind of appealed to me :) the fact of the matter is, i wasnt worried at all about that, especially since this is gentoo based and all the rage, haha.. so i get done installing it and go to compile ndiswrapper so i can get on the net and get to learning portage. BAM , hey guess what this cool distro based on building everything from source doesnt include the friggin source tree (on the cd version), so wtf man, how am i supposed to compile anythiing? and furthermore why would they friggin give me a gentoo box that cant compile cause it assumes that you have a hard wired cat5 connection.


no really though ijust wanted to rant a little, can anybody riggin tell me what to download to get this suckah compiling?? the bcm43xx included driver doesnt work with my bc,4311 and cant cmpile ndiswrapper..bummer

[ahaslam]

I see they've reached RC2 & the final should be mid March :)
Just a quick question, would I benefit from the 64 bit edition on an Intel Core 2 Duo ?

Tony ;)

[mips]

Just a quick question, would I benefit from the 64 bit edition on an Intel Core 2 Duo ?


Depends on the applications you use.

I have never used the 32bit version as everything works a charm in the 64bit version.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I have only recently discovered Sabayon Linux, and boy do I love it. I'm still using the LiveDVD (as I type now, incidentally) to evaluate the OS more fully, but with a view to installing it on the HDD of my Acer TravelMate 8215WLMI, which has an Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 (2 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 4 Mb L2 cache), ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 (up to 512 Mb HyperMemory, 256 Mb dedicated GDDR VRAM) , 2Gb DDR2 RAM.

I burnt the x86-64bit version of Sabayon 3.26 onto a LiveDVD to evaluate Sabayon, and it simply flies on the Acer. Not only that, but Sabayon recognises all my hardware (including the Acer's built-in wireless adapter completely automatically), built-in wired Ethernet adapter, all external USB hard disk drives, scanner, printer, you name it. The only thing I had some trouble with was configuring Sabayon to work with the built-in Bluetooth adapter. But I have cracked that now (I'm typing this on my Belkin Bluetooth keyboard).

Sabayon is the best thing I have come across on PCs in a long time. Even using the LiveDVD it is very useable with the 8215WLMi. Beryl works very smoothly with the Core 2 Duo, and I can really load up Sabayon: I have video and audio playing off one external USB HDD while I'm flipping between Web browsing, word processing with KWord, looking through large photo albums on another USB HDD etc., and it is as smooth as silk. Actually, it's faster than Windows XP Professional, which is what I normally use on this PC.

I have an external widescreen TFT monitor plugged into the Acer 8215WLMi when I'm working at home, and it is a piece of cake (one mouse click after boot-up) to tell Sabayon to use 1400 x 900 resolution on the external AL1916W monitor.

The number of applications on the Sabayon LiveDVD is amazing. There is absolutely everything one could want. And it looks professional. The Desktop Search appears to match the dynamic indexing functionality offered by Vista, and the performance of Beryl and all the other gorgeous visual features make Vista redundant in my case.

Brilliant OS. As mips wrote, the 64-bit version works like a charm.

[mips]

...but with a view to installing it on the HDD of my Acer TravelMate 8215WLMI...

You might want to consider waiting a wee bit as v3.3 will be out very soon.

[watson540]

I finally got the 64 bit dvd iso myself. After using this i decided that ubuntu is too much of a fad for noobs anymore and am ready to move onto a more challenging distro. Thanks for showing me which distro that is.

[Lord Illidan]

I finally got the 64 bit dvd iso myself. After using this i decided that ubuntu is too much of a fad for noobs anymore and am ready to move onto a more challenging distro. Thanks for showing me which distro that is.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you are saying that everyone who uses Ubuntu is a noob, well....LOL!!

[watson540]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. If you are saying that everyone who uses Ubuntu is a noob, well....LOL!!

sorry i might have worded it wrong, i dont think that at all or i wouldnt have kept my own install of edgy on another partition. im really on the fence now though. i've stuck by ubuntu for quite some time and even reccommend it despite its ridiculous sounding name. it just doesnt seem like im really at my linux roots in ubuntu maybe, plus i like the way sabayon comes out of the box, blows ubuntu away

[Fitzcarraldo]

sorry i might have worded it wrong, i dont think that at all or i wouldnt have kept my own install of edgy on another partition. im really on the fence now though. i've stuck by ubuntu for quite some time and even reccommend it despite its ridiculous sounding name. it just doesnt seem like im really at my linux roots in ubuntu maybe, plus i like the way sabayon comes out of the box, blows ubuntu away

Each to his own, of course, but I find "ubuntu" quite cool as a distro name, especially given the literal meaning of the word.

Regarding the two distros, I think it's a case of horses for courses, really. By which I mean I would not consider trying to load Sabayon x86 Edition (32-bit) on my old Gateway Solo 9300 notebook PC, but ubuntu Dapper works extremely well on that PC and has given it a new lease of life.

I enjoy using and tinkering with ubuntu 6.06 Dapper LTS; I think it is a very capable OS with a good-looking and functional GUI, and good support. Virtually everything I have works 'out-of-the-box' on ubuntu. I did have to do a small amount of file editing (and a large amount of reading!) to get a Linksys WPC54G v7.1 wireless card working but, other than that, ubuntu has detected everything built-in or plugged into the Gateway Solo 9300, and setting up ubuntu to work with my network (a mixture of wired and wireless connections), which includes three Windows XP PCs, was straightforward (maybe I'm lucky). Actually, I had more trouble with Norton Firewall on one of the Windows XP PCs then with ubuntu.

Additionally, the ubuntu forums and loads of blogs elsewhere on the Net are an absolute mine of information on the OS, and I find the availability of plentiful information and community feedback very useful and important. Good support and availability of information is crucial to the success of an OS.

My wife and children, all computer novices only previously exposed to Windows Me and XP Home, are happy to use ubuntu, and their learning curve was gratifyingly steep (they all still prefer using the other PCs with Windows XP though!). So I'm still a fan of ubuntu and will carry on using it and recommending it.

However, on my 'power PC', Sabayon is my choice even though the user base is much smaller than ubuntu's. I like the look-and-feel of the Sabayon GUI, the performance, the fact that most things seem to work well 'out-of-the-box' (again, maybe I'm just lucky) and the fact that there seems to be so much built into the distro. I think Sabayon has a bright future if the developers can support it fully (the impression I get from reading the Sabayon Web site is that the development team is almost a 'one-man-band').

I suppose it's rather like chocolate ice cream and vanilla ice cream: I like 'em both!

[mips]

Regarding the two distros, I think it's a case of horses for courses, really. By which I mean I would not consider trying to load Sabayon x86 Edition (32-bit) on my old Gateway Solo 9300 notebook PC, but ubuntu Dapper works extremely well on that PC and has given it a new lease of life.


I would try it though just for sh!ts and giggles to see the effect. Just dont use beryl and use something lighter like fluxbox etc. Mini edition would be a better option.

[ahaslam]

Sabayon Linux 3.3 GOLD ready

I'm downloading right now, looks like it'll take a while ;)

[rsambuca]

For a change, instead of rushing out and installing the thing in the first day, I am gonna wait for a couple of weeks and let the dust settle a bit. See what you die-hards have to say first!:)

[ahaslam]

Sounds like a good idea.... my download is slow enough ;)

[mips]

For a change, instead of rushing out and installing the thing in the first day, I am gonna wait for a couple of weeks and let the dust settle a bit. See what you die-hards have to say first!:)

Been using it since 22Feb in beta form and the end result is good. If you want to wait a bit then you might see a mini edition if we are lucky.

[rsambuca]

I actually don't mind the DVD. The reason I am waiting this time is that the last one wouldn't work with my rig. Something to do with the 2.6.19 kernel and my PATA/SATA controller. The kernel wouldn't recognize that I had a CD/DVD drive to boot from.

[ahaslam]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent (which really is slow) ;)

[mips]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent ;)

Good luck ;)

md5sum:
obelix sabayon # md5sum SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso
3aa807f2dd60b1af663b120cb4934cc4 SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso

size:
obelix sabayon # stat SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso
File: `SabayonLinux-x86_64-3.3.iso'
Size: 3645405184 Blocks: 7119944 IO Block: 4096 regular file

[Frak]

Download's finished, though the md5sum doesn't match :(
I'll burn it on a RW & give it a spin anyway ;)

PS. I don't think I'll bother, the iso is only 2GB.

As the server was maxd out, I guess there'll be a few shiny coasters being made tonight. Maybe I should be more patient in future :rolleyes:

PPS. I'll never learn... now trying the torrent (which really is slow) ;)
Suprisingly I get speeds of 480kB/s with torrent compared to only 120kB/s with regular download. And I seem to think torrents are better, and metalink better than torrents, but unfortunately there isn't one for Sabayon. Oh Well...

[watson540]

Suprisingly I get speeds of 480kB/s with torrent compared to only 120kB/s with regular download. And I seem to think torrents are better, and metalink better than torrents, but unfortunately there isn't one for Sabayon. Oh Well...

yes there is, thats how most are getting it, look on linuxtracker.org

p.s. officially they're not even on the mirrors yet which is why he got a partial iso, the torrent has been out for 11 hours

[Amorphous_Snake]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!

[ahaslam]

Well I started the same torrent this morning & I got much higher speeds & the download was successful :)

I just received some new cooling that I'm going to fit before testing it out, I don't know why I was in such a rush :rolleyes:

[RAV TUX]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!It is all pre-compiled and very easy to use. Emerge is simply a dream come true....

simple to use, for ex:

emerge -s firefoxwill do a search

emerge firefoxwill install

easy...

(there are other cool things to know, but Sabayon is the easiest OS to install, use and maintain, Gentoo and Emerge are dreams come true)

[Fitzcarraldo]

The BitTorrent download of the Sabayon x86-64 3.3 ISO file to my PC finished successfully a few hours ago, and the MD5 matches the MD5 posted on LinuxTracker.

I burnt a LiveDVD but it freezes part way through the boot process (the grey bar is nearly halfway along the bottom of the screen).

As the LiveDVD of Sabayon x86-64 3.26 boots perfectly on the same PC (Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi), I'm disappointed. :(

[mips]

I need to know something about Sabayon before downloading the 3.3 DVD. It's based on Gentoo, right? So, do I have to compile everything from source when I need to install a program not included with the standard installation?

As you have guessed, I am still a Linux beginner!

Yes, it is based on Gentoo.

Yes, you will have to compile from source, BUT:

It is not like you have to actually do anything, everything is handled by Emerge.

emerge -va krita will install Krita for you. -va means (v)Verbose & (a)ask first.

There is really very little you would need once you installed from dvd as everuthing under the sun seems to be installed. No need to worry about codecs, flash, java etc as it is all there including a gazillion applications & utils.

[mips]

The BitTorrent download of the Sabayon x86-64 3.3 ISO file to my PC finished successfully a few hours ago, and the MD5 matches the MD5 posted on LinuxTracker.

I burnt a LiveDVD but it freezes part way through the boot process (the grey bar is nearly halfway along the bottom of the screen).

As the LiveDVD of Sabayon x86-64 3.26 boots perfectly on the same PC (Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi), I'm disappointed. :(

There is a section about 2/3s into the boot where it might seem to hang which takes abit of time on the dvd as it is doing some nvidia/glx config or something of the sort. You can always view the boot process with alt+f1 to see exactly where it gets stuck.

[RAV TUX]

emerge -va krita will install Krita for you. -va means (v)Verbose & (a)ask first.



emerge -vais a very nice feature I didn't go into....earlier

Here is an example of

emerge -s ksudoku
localhost-2 ravtux # emerge -s ksudoku

Searching...
[ Results for search key : ksudoku ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

* games-puzzle/ksudoku
Latest version available: 0.3
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of files: 688 kB
Homepage: http://ksudoku.sourceforge.net/
Description: Sudoku Puzzle Generator and Solver for KDE
License: GPL-2then this part is optional:

localhost-2 ravtux # emerge -va ksudoku

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] games-puzzle/ksudoku-0.3 USE="arts xinerama -debug" 689 kB

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 689 kB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] then select yes.....

or you could have just typed:

emerge ksudoku

[ahaslam]

3.3 looks very nice, I think it'll end up on another partition ;)

Mips, what was the demo you were referring to? Cold War was on the previous release & it's no card killer ;)

Tony :)

[Fitzcarraldo]

There is a section about 2/3s into the boot where it might seem to hang which takes abit of time on the dvd as it is doing some nvidia/glx config or something of the sort. You can always view the boot process with alt+f1 to see exactly where it gets stuck.

Sabayon was freezing before the two-thirds point, mips. Also, I had already tried ALT-F1 and that ran to completion with no error messages. After that, the screen changes to the large Sabayon name and bird's footprint, "Booting Sabayon Linux" is displayed in the lower left part of the screen, above a 'progress bar' that starts to fill with a grey bar from left to right. When the grey bar reaches nearly halfway across the screen, Sabayon freezes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the point you're referring to is when the grey bar reaches about 3/4 of the way across the screen and then there is a long delay and a lot of DVD activity?

But, you might ask, how do I know this if Sabayon freezes before that point? Well, I used a boot cheat code to enable the boot process to complete, as explained below.

I booted the x86-64 3.3 LiveDVD, pressed F5 and appended the following to the string of commands displayed:

noddc res=1024x768 refresh=60 opengl=ati

The boot process then ran to completion but I was left with a 1024 x 768 screen that looks awful in comparison to the gorgeous 1680 x 1050 screen I was previously seeing 'out of the box' using the 3.26 LiveDVD on my Acer TravelMate's built-in monitor, and the gorgeous 1400 x 900 screen I was able to have on an external Acer AL1916W TFT monitor. Both of these screens worked flawlessly with 3.26, so 3.3 is a step backwards in my case.

I tried Control Center > Peripherals > Display in 3.3 to see if I could increase the screen size, but 1024 x 768 is the largest size available in the menu. I assume the cheat code forces Sabayon to go no higher than 1024 x 768.

I then rebooted but this time specifying 1400 x 900, instead of 1024 x 768, in the ATI cheat code, but the resulting screen size was still 1024 x 768 and, again, Control Center > Peripherals > Display only allows a maximum of 1024 x 768.

I'm disappointed, as I was hoping 3.3 would impress me even more than 3.26 did. As it stands, the 3.3 LiveDVD is not something I would want to use (I'm back on 3.26 as I type this) and I now don't want to risk installing 3.3 on my HDD in case it's going to result in other problems. :(

[Fitzcarraldo]

I've discovered why I could not get the boot cheat code to produce a higher resolution: I typed "res=1400x900" when I should have typed "res=1440x900". Silly mistake. I'm now typing this using Sabayon x86-64 3.3, looking at a 1440 x 900 screen on my external monitor. So, although it's not as 'out of the box' as the 3.26 LiveDVD, at least I can continue to try out 3.3 using the LiveDVD with the boot cheat code. My disappointment has abated!

[RAV TUX]

I've discovered why I could not get the boot cheat code to produce a higher resolution: I typed "res=1400x900" when I should have typed "res=1440x900". Silly mistake. I'm now typing this using Sabayon x86-64 3.3, looking at a 1440 x 900 screen on my external monitor. So, although it's not as 'out of the box' as the 3.26 LiveDVD, at least I can continue to try out 3.3 using the LiveDVD with the boot cheat code. My disappointment has abated!Awesome news....I am still downloading the torrents...I look forward to trying this out....I was just recently added to the Beta Testing team but too late to help out on the current build...so I have a lot to look forward to using
3.3:)

[ahaslam]

Have you noticed how much interest Sabayon has received at Distrowatch? Since it's official release yesterday, it's overtaken Damn Small Linux. This distro is gaining popularity amazingly quickly, let's hope it keep getting better & better.

I'm going to be installing it this afternoon to see how the speed compares to Zenwalk. It probably isn't a fair test as their complete opposites ;)

[mips]

Have you noticed how much interest Sabayon has received at Distrowatch? Since it's official release yesterday, it's overtaken Damn Small Linux. This distro is gaining popularity amazingly quickly, let's hope it keep getting better & better.


Distrowatch is not the best measurement for popularity but still some form of indicator. It has been in the top 10 for a while now. I suspect it's current jump after 3.3 release will eventually settle down a bit and then we will see how much more 'popular' it is.

I think it is a distro to watch out for, it is still a very young distro but it has come very far in a very short time indeed. I wish the team all the best and also hope it grows from strenght to strenght.

[mips]

Fitzcarraldo,

Glad to hear you are making some progress with your problem.

Best place for help though would be the Sabayon forums & IRC channel. I generally avoid irc like the plague but some like Sabayon & *BSD etc don't have as much white noise as the more common distros so it is actually a pleasant experience participating there.

[ahaslam]

My experience so far with it installed does no equal that of the live environment.

Booting takes 2.5 minutes, the panels & applets crashed when switching to the KDE menu, after rebooting beryl ceased to function and the control panel crashes when trying to add a printer. That's quite a lot of trouble within 2 hours of very light use. I will persevere, but it doesn't inspire confidence.

[RAV TUX]

My experience so far with it installed does no equal that of the live environment.

Booting takes 2.5 minutes, the panels & applets crashed when switching to the KDE menu, after rebooting beryl ceased to function and the control panel crashes when trying to add a printer. That's quite a lot of trouble within 2 hours of very light use. I will persevere, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
how much space did you give it?

[RAV TUX]

Distrowatch is not the best measurement for popularity but still some form of indicator. It has been in the top 10 for a while now. I suspect it's current jump after 3.3 release will eventually settle down a bit and then we will see how much more 'popular' it is.

I think it is a distro to watch out for, it is still a very young distro but it has come very far in a very short time indeed. I wish the team all the best and also hope it grows from strenght to strenght.

a better indicator is linuxtracker then distrowatch

[ahaslam]

100 Gigabytes :neutral:

[ahaslam]

How does one start the 6th sense?

I really want to give this a fair chance, but things keep getting worse, gnome just froze completely. I'm assuming the install didn't go too well & hope the 6th sense will help, because I don't have a clue as to what's happening, I've got problems with everything. Maybe it really doesn't like xfs partitions?

PS. It's scaling my processor down to 2GHz, which shouldn't be possible. The FSB is @ 400MHz and the available multipliers are x6 & x7. Maybe this is why it's gone screwy?

[ahaslam]

Do you guys play anu games on Sabayon? I've also tested out game performance (and of course beryl is off as it's not working).

With the nexuiz timedemo I get the following result:
1909 frames 87.8677049 seconds 21.7258434 fps min/avg/max: 7.6424037/21.7258434/271.8278678

While in Zenwalk I get:
1909 frames 20.3245356 seconds 93.9258854 fps min/avg/max: 22.8743794/93.9258854/404.5361227

That's using the same install & config file, along with the same graphics driver version. Either Sabayon is slower than claimed, or there's something very wrong with my install.

6th sense anyone?

[Frak]

You try reinstalling "Just In the Off Chance" that something went wrong?

[ahaslam]

You try reinstalling "Just In the Off Chance" that something went wrong?

... and that's where I found it, 6th sense is a recovery option within the installer ;)
I've never had to reinstall a Linux distro, that shows just how screwed my install must be.

[Frak]

... and that's where I found it, 6th sense is a recovery option within the installer ;)
I've never had to reinstall a Linux distro, that shows just how screwed my install must be.
Oh, OK, I thought you were going all "Bruce Willis" on us :lolflag:

[ahaslam]

Rotfl

[ahaslam]

Not good news :(

The sense did not fix the problems, so I formatted the partition (this time with ext3 as suggested) & reinstalled after updating the installer. After the installation it took less than 1 minute for the panels to crash again. After rebooting, Beryl ceased to operate & the bugs were back.

Interestingly, when logging into a root session everything worked reliably. It allowed me to set up my printer without hassle, beryl worked, nothing crashed, the experience was good. I will try creating a new user account & see how that goes...

One annoyance that remained was the processor scaling, cpufreq-info showed all the wrong info, maybe as my cpu is overclocked it can't identify it properly?

[igknighted]

This release does feel like something is off. I originally installed this on my old box (1ghz athlon, 704mb ram, older fx-series nvidia) and it was unusably slow. This isn't exactly a top of the line system, and I was low on HD space, so I tried it on my current PC (stats below) and its still barely usable. CPU occaisionally spikes, but its not red lined all the time like something was crashing, but rather there seems to be just a ton of processes running all the time. If anyone has any hints on how to turn (a lot of) stuff off that would be great... I've tried the normal culprits and there hasn't been much effect. Unfortunately portage's one true flaw is that it cannot remove programs without risking breaking packages so I can't trim the bloat. Will give the mini a try when it comes out. Aside from the speed, 3.3 seems like a smash hit. When einit is ready it will be incredible. It shaved my boot time (granted lots of stuff failed to load or crashed out) from 2+ minutes to less than 30 seconds... wow.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Last night I installed Sabayon x86-64 3.3 on my HDD and it works well. I have an Acer TravelMate 8215WLMi laptop PC with 160 Gb HDD, 2 Gb RAM, built-in wireless adapter, built-in Bluetooth, built-in Webcam etc. I also have the following peripherals plugged into its USB ports: a 4-port USB hub with a printer, scanner and two external HDDs attached; a USB mouse. Sabayon 3.3 recognised the lot.

I'm typing this on my Belkin Bluetooth keyboard: the procedure in the Sabayon Wiki -- which worked perfectly when I was using the Sabayon 3.26 LiveDVD, but did not provide automatic reconnection when using the Sabayon 3.3 LiveDVD -- works perfectly for Sabayon 3.3 installed on disk. :-)

Bluetooth keyboard HOWTO (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Belkin_Bluetooth_Keyboard)

Performance is excellent, installation was relatively straightforward considering I've never installed Sabayon before and also was unsure about partitions and their sizes. I didn't want to use the installer utility's option of automatic partitioning because, amongst other things, I wanted to make sure my Windows XP partitions would not be trashed, so I decided to do the partitioning using Partition Manager (GParted), provided as part of the LiveDVD, before running the installer. It was also the first time I have configured a PC to dual-boot. I have posted a summary on the Sabayon forum of the main things I did to install, which you can read here (http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5471). I got no reply on the Sabayon forum to my request for advice on partitions and sizes, but if anyone here can comment on the partitions I set up (see aforementioned link) then I would welcome it.

My second post in the above-mentioned thread gives links to two quite-detailed reviews of Sabayon 3.3, with screenshots, for anyone who is interested.

There are four problems I have noticed so far with the installed Sabayon 3.3, and these problems also occurred when I was using the 3.3 LiveDVD:

1. When I shutdown, KNetworkManager displays error messages on the shutdown screen.
2. Google Earth won't run; it freezes at the splash screen, even if I turn off XGL.
3. My 512 Mb USB memory stick is not recognised.
4. The fan seems to run a lot of the time.

Other than the above, I'm pleased with Sabayon 3.3 so far.

[igknighted]

KNetworkManager is still a work in progress. It will be a great app once done, but the KDE team is still working on it.

[mips]

KNetworkManager is still a work in progress. It will be a great app once done, but the KDE team is still working on it.

Network manager & Knetworkmanager was one of the first things I removed, it was just a pain for me.

[zaratustra]

there is no better thing than console "craftwork" with ifconfig:)

[Fitzcarraldo]

I have been investigating further, but still can't get my USB pen drive to automount.

At first I was mounting it manually from the command line:


sudo mkdir /media/USBPENDRV1
sudo mount /drv/sdd1 /media/USBPENDRV1


(The drive may not be sdd1 on your PC. Even in my case, if I boot up with the USB pen drive inserted, the USB pen drive becomes sdb1 on my PC, and the two external USB HDDs that are plugged into my PC become sdc1 and sdd1 instead.)

then I right-clicked on the Desktop and created an icon on the desktop that enables me to mount and unmount the drive -- and open a window on the desktop for the drive -- without needing to use the command line.

However, despite changing the permissions for /media/USBPENDRV1 for all users (right-click on pen drive icon on desktop > Properties > Permissions), I still cannot write to the drive. When I try to copy or save a file onto the pen drive using the GUI the following message pops up:

Access denied.
Could not write to /media/USBPENDRV1/snapshot1.png.

So, now I have two questions instead of one:

1. How do I get Sabayon 3.3 to automount a USB pen drive when it's inserted into any USB port on my PC? :confused:

2. If I manually mount a USB pen drive that has not automounted, then create a desktop link to the device, how can I write-enable the device? :confused:

Ideally, of course, if someone can answer Question 1 then Question 2 becomes redundant.

This problem is really annoying, as I have to use a USB pen drive a lot when I'm on business trips, to transfer files to/from my laptop and desktop PCs to which I have no network access. :mad:

[mips]

In theory it should just work, mine works just fine.

Maybe try the Sabayon IRC channel & forum.

[Fitzcarraldo]

^I tried the Sabayon forum but no one was able to help., although several others reported problems with pendrives. Did I mention that my pendrive works fine with Windows XP and Ubuntu?

Anyway, after two days breaking my head on this, I found a thread in another forum -- I can't recall the Linux distro now -- with a post from a guy with a problem which looked similar to mine and was apparently caused by a bug in the firmware on his pendrive, which is incorrectly coded to think that the pendrive has one more sector than it really has.

Windows XP came to the rescue with a low-level format utility called HDD LLF Tool, which I downloaded from here:

http://hddguru.com/

I booted into Windows XP (my stalwart OS) and ran HDD LLF to low-level format the pendrive. Then I booted back into Sabayon 3.3, ran GParted, formated the pendrive as FAT32 and set the boot flag. I checked it wasn't mounted -- it wasn't -- pulled it out and pushed it back in again and... up popped a window asking me what I wanted to do with the device (Open Window or Nothing), and a pendrive icon appeared on the Panel next to the other pendrive icons for my two USB external HDDs. It works consistently, too.

Even given the fact that apparently there is a bug in the pendrive's firmware, both Windows XP and Ubuntu (on two different laptops) could mount and use successfully my pendrive before I did the above. So why do I have to low-level format a pendrive and reformat it to get Sabayon Linux to mount it? And, given that I had the same problem with a colleague's pendrive (different manufacturer) yesterday, does that mean that use of pendrives with Linux is a hit-and-miss affair? Curious.

[mips]

During one instance booting the live media my usb flash disk would not mount either. This was just once. Other times it worked and it also worked when i installed the os.

[Rodneyck]

Well I finally installed the new 3.3 mini cd Sabayon on my second hard drive to see what all the hub-bub was about, any changes, etc.

I was not impressed in the least.

What happened? I think the devs took it a step backwards. For one, in the past, Sabayon use to detect all sorts of screen sizes. I was stuck with a default (and no higher) of 1024x768 and the resolution was off. Time to tweak the xorg file...

The second very noticeable issue was the overall speed which now seemed slower and a bit sluggish from previous versions. Being a fork of Gentoo, I would think this would actually improve. The boot up time has not really improved either, still very slow as compared to other distros.

Other annoyances, the theme. My gawd, I am not a fan of dark themes really, but this one is like trying to find the light switch in the dark. I thought their red/yellow/black theme from the past was unique and at least was catchy. Are the devs spending to much time in dark rooms where light hurts their eyes?

I will explore it some more, these were initial responses, but right now I am happy with Sidux and I can safely say it is much faster than the current Sabayon.

[Cloudy]

Where is the Beryl Manager in 3.2? I ran the live mini-CD with no problems and with Beryl working, but once I installed it to my harddrive I couldn't find where Beryl Manager is. Whenever I type "beryl" or "beryl-manager" into the Konsole I get an error that there is no composite extension? What's that mean? BTW, I installed from the liveCD.

[RAV TUX]

Where is the Beryl Manager in 3.2? I ran the live mini-CD with no problems and with Beryl working, but once I installed it to my harddrive I couldn't find where Beryl Manager is. Whenever I type "beryl" or "beryl-manager" into the Konsole I get an error that there is no composite extension? What's that mean? BTW, I installed from the liveCD.I don't think beryl is in 3.2.....

but I could be mistaken...

you could always emerge it

[igknighted]

I don't think beryl is in 3.2.....

but I could be mistaken...

you could always emerge it

Sounds more to me like your video drivers are not set up. Did you run the acceleration manager? Also, what kind of vid card do you have? How sure are you that the drivers are set up?

[RAV TUX]

Sounds more to me like your video drivers are not set up. Did you run the acceleration manager? Also, what kind of vid card do you have? How sure are you that the drivers are set up?what I meant was I use Beryl in 3.26.....isn't 3.2 an older version?

[manmower]

If I understood correctly it was working before Sabayon was installed to HD, so it would have to be included. Unless Cloudy somehow installed from a different LiveCD version than the one that was working?

[RAV TUX]

If I understood correctly it was working before Sabayon was installed to HD, so it would have to be included. Unless Cloudy somehow installed from a different LiveCD version than the one that was working?ahhh yes you are correct, he is simply looking for the Beryl manager icon....my bad

[manmower]

no composite extension

Seems to point to a problem with either X configuration or graphics drivers. I don't know Sabayon but I think igknighted in his post above is on the right track to solving your problem.

[Cloudy]

Cheers, I'll be sure to run the Acceleration Manager igknighted. Cheers to everyone else too!

[igknighted]

ahhh yes you are correct, he is simply looking for the Beryl manager icon....my bad

If all he wants is the beryl-manager to load at boot, just create a symlink "ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/" -> do not run as root, as ~ would then be /root not /home/<username>

[aeto]

http://planet.sabayonlinux.org - see latest posts. something interesting fabio posted. more goodies from upcoming Entropy.

[zaratustra]

I installed mini Edition right now on my another desktop which is mostley used by my 10-year-old sister... She likes it much more than ubuntu (just beacuse it's black color:D), everything was very smooth and fast, which was not case with DVD version... quite good.

[RAV TUX]

Anybody install SabayonLinux-x86-3.4.Loop1.iso ?
( 3.4 GB (3,588,558,848 bytes))

[Fitzcarraldo]

^I read in the Sabayon Linux Forum that it solves the problem with ATI graphics cards not working with XGL and AIGLX hardware acceleration, which is the one thing that I could not get to work with x86-64 3.3. But I'm going to wait until they release 3.4, as I'm otherwise happy with 3.3 and the software acceleration on my PC is fast (glxgears reports around 10120 FPS, which must be wrong I would have thought).

[Ateo]

Just found Sabayon last night. Burned the ISO this morning.

Very impressed with it. I hope the best for this distro because a source based distro that one can install and BE WORKING in under an hour is very nice.

[GSF1200S]

Just found out about Sabayon last night. Looking in the forums and the IRC channel, I seem to see a little of the RTFM attitude, but with the awesome documentation, I dont think Ill have any problems making due.. Since this forum is a little more friendly, Id like to ask a few questions.

Have the boot time issues been resolved? Its not a deal breaker for me, but I wouldnt mind a faster booting system.

What about tarballs? I dont know anything about portage, so does it allow for you to install a package d/l from the net that isnt necessarily in the portage list?

Is their a distro upgrade for when new versions come out? You spend all that time compiling and perfecting, and then you have to reinstall it? I think if I remember correctly, Gentoo uses two commands in portage to update the entire distro and installed packages. I know this takes a while.

I dont think gentoo/sabayon is rpm/deb based- its all source.

Ive heard that it doesnt configure grub like Ubuntu; some people saying that they cant access windows after a sabayon install. I might actually need to burn a supergrub disc then...

Im also guessing since sabayon shares so many things in common with Gentoo, I could probably use both forums in a search for any answers I might have.

I think im going to try to run the liveCD version to see whats detected and what works, and then install it on a virtual machine. This way I can learn portage with breaking a hard install.

[ThinkBuntu]

In no particular order,
(1) Anything concerning a problem in the system should probably be directed to the Gentoo forums. You'll get an answer faster, and it'll be right. There are a few helpers in the Sabayon forums, but un general responses take a long time, or usually don't happen.

(2) You can get binaries and save yourself the compiling for many programs

(3) All distros use tarballs, to the best of my knowledge

(4) Boot time is supposed to be much improved. It seemed pretty standard in 3.3, so I'd expect that whatever problem there was, it's been resolved.

(5) I've heard about it overwriting other GRUBs, specifically Ubuntu's. Probably better as the first one on your machine, then add Ubuntu, Windows, or whatever else. But there are always workarounds...

(6) Hardware detection is top-notch, in my experience. Just boot the live DCD/CD to test it out, no need for VMWare.

[GSF1200S]

In no particular order,
(1) Anything concerning a problem in the system should probably be directed to the Gentoo forums. You'll get an answer faster, and it'll be right. There are a few helpers in the Sabayon forums, but un general responses take a long time, or usually don't happen.

(2) You can get binaries and save yourself the compiling for many programs

(3) All distros use tarballs, to the best of my knowledge

(4) Boot time is supposed to be much improved. It seemed pretty standard in 3.3, so I'd expect that whatever problem there was, it's been resolved.

(5) I've heard about it overwriting other GRUBs, specifically Ubuntu's. Probably better as the first one on your machine, then add Ubuntu, Windows, or whatever else. But there are always workarounds...

(6) Hardware detection is top-notch, in my experience. Just boot the live DCD/CD to test it out, no need for VMWare.

Awesome.. Thanks for the very fast response :)

In terms of grub, i have windows and k/ubuntu setup to perfection. Would it be possible for me to install Sabayon, and then use supergrub to add my windows and ubuntu install?

&@#$!~!@ Linux.. I seriously need to look into a bigger hard drive- im running out of space and ive had this lappie for like 3 months! :)