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MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 04:09 AM
UPDATE: As of post #50 (7/31/06) I have purchased the system. Thanx to all who helped. :)


Im done with my current PC. Its been good for the most part but I just had too many problems from it this last year. It seems to eat harddrives.

So I have about $1000 (U.S.). I can go a bit higher if I need to.

Heres what Im thinking:


I wanna play UT2007 WELL (must)
AMD 64-bit (must)
nVidia GFX. (must) Maybe a DualLink to run a 30" Dell WS? I have a 24" now. SLI? PCI-E?
nVidia Mobo (maybe) Asus? SATA,
74GB 10k RPM SATA HD (must)
Slick, simple black case. Ide like to go MicroATX. I need little space. 1 Optical and 2 HDs usually.
10/100/1000 NIC (must)


I do love THIS (http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/2_7?osCsid=15bbceac747a8886fd8e99d2111df2fc) System 76 case. I would almost go with it but its missing some things. Im gonna call 'em to see if they can work with me.

Im looking for specific recommendations. I know where to look just not sure what. Im not in a big rush. All ideas are welcome. :) Help me spend some money! :)
^^^Kept for reference. ^^^



Purchased Parts:

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321)
CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751)
GFX: eVGA Geforce 7900GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130281)
RAM: Corsair XMS2 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145153)
PSU: IN WIN 460W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817374001)
Case: Lan Li PC-V1000BPlus II (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058)
HD: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033)
CPU Fan: Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118004)


$1278.94 (US) Total

Heres some pics.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6663/dscf32768x6uy5.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6663/dscf32768x6uy5.jpg) http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7066/dscf32748x6ml6.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7066/dscf32748x6ml6.jpg) http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/5237/dscf32758x6zj1.th.jpg (http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/5237/dscf32758x6zj1.jpg) http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9798/dscf32738x6bd8.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9798/dscf32738x6bd8.jpg)
I have some cable-managment to do and a Ubuntu logo to put on the HSF shroud.

I wanna shorten up the power bundel from the PSU to the mobo but Im a little scared. Its like twice as long as it needs to be.

The box is up and runnin' well. I also cannot stress how cool/well built this case is. Pics do not do it justice. The fans that also come with are very quiet. I dont have a constant internet connection to it 'till I get into my new house but I borrowed one to get it setup and updated. The responsive of Gnome really didnt seem to improve all that much but games and encoding media is INSANE. Xvid movies easily take half the time now. Im also gettin almost 16000 in 3DMark 2001 (not for linux).

Many, many thanx to WildTangent who pretty much came up with the whole list. ;)

kop316
July 28th, 2006, 04:16 AM
I would look at these two sites. Both are what I used in order to build my new PC. For AMD, I would look quickly, as they just dropped their prices a lot, and some of their processors are being brought off the market (I just bought an AMD 64 4000+ for 150$, and 5 hours later it was gone).

www.tigerdirect.com
www.newegg.com

For AMD, the AM2/939 socket is roughly the same price, it is more whether you want to spend double on the RAM for DDR2 vs DDR (I cannot honestly tell you how much of a difference it is, but DDR2 is better).

I'm not sure of the requirements of UT2007, but just look around.

GuitarHero
July 28th, 2006, 04:22 AM
UT2007 is going to require a top of the line video card by todays standard. You're looking at 350-400 dollars on a card alone. Plus say 1gig minimum and a decnet processor.

MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 01:59 PM
UT2007 is going to require a top of the line video card by todays standard. You're looking at 350-400 dollars on a card alone. Plus say 1gig minimum and a decnet processor.

Yep. That doesnt scare me. I might even buy a lower-end one now, then upgrade. Dont know.

aeiah
July 28th, 2006, 02:50 PM
the way things are going, it might be best you consider getting a pentium as opposed to an AMD (although amd are lowering their prices a lot, but its worth looking into). im an amd fanboy, but they're losing their grip on being the best performers and the best priced.

ive got a microATX case, its lovely and alluminium and cost me about 120. there's a black version, ill have a look for the manufacturer in a sec

slimdog360
July 28th, 2006, 02:53 PM
sorry, was that $1000 US or something else.

aeiah
July 28th, 2006, 02:55 PM
http://www.directron.com/silverstone.html

silverstone is who made my case. i cant vouch for the site i linked, i just grabbed it off google, but yea. silverstone make some nice black or silver cases in small form factors, as well as standard ones

BigDave708
July 28th, 2006, 03:19 PM
nVidia GFX. (must) Maybe a DualLink to run a 30" Dell WS? I have a 24" now. SLI? PCI-E?

There's not much point going for SLI yet, and I'm not sure about how well Linux supports it at the moment . . . Definitely need PCI-E - it would be sacrilage to put an AGP card in.


nVidia Mobo (maybe) Asus? SATA

I'd go with Asus, ABit, Gigabyte or MSI. Which socket number are you going to go for . . . 754, 939 or one of the new AM2s?



74GB 10k RPM SATA HD (must)

Why do you need 10000 rpm? Unless you are going run data-intensive programs, it's a waste of money. You definitely need SATA, maybe even SATA2. IDE is just too slow these days.



Slick, simple black case. Ide like to go MicroATX. I need little space. 1 Optical and 2 HDs usually.


Do you want a mATX case or an mATX mobo? It might be difficult to squeeze everything into an mATX case. If you do manage to do so, at least make sure you stick in plenty of cooling fans.



10/100/1000 NIC(must)

Onboard network support is pretty common for motherboards these days, anyway.


The way things are going, it might be best you consider getting a pentium as opposed to an AMD (although amd are lowering their prices a lot, but its worth looking into). im an amd fanboy, but they're losing their grip on being the best performers and the best priced.

P4s overheat way too easily whilst running games. Stick to AMD for now, IMHO.


ive got a microATX case, its lovely and alluminium and cost me about 120.

Where did you buy it from? Seeing as you live in England, try out www.aria.co.uk (http://www.aria.co.uk). Very cheap and very good supplier.

mips
July 28th, 2006, 03:36 PM
If I was you I would rather look at a Socket AM2 motherboard and a AMD64 x2 cpu.

The Antec Sonata cases are nice.

arsenic23
July 28th, 2006, 03:48 PM
If you want to run a micro ATX case let me recomend this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144160


But if you buy that case go ahead a purchase a better power supply, the one that comes with it is hit or miss. I'm useing
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817171001
in mine. It's a tight fit, and the cables need to be tied out of the way, but it's made my system 100% more stable then the stock.

As for AM2 stuff, I haven't got a chance to put my hands on it yet. But I can say that those Socket 939 microATX boards based off of ATI's chipsets are pretty decent. I'm running one by MSI with a like branded 7800GT.

If you want to run the new Unreal with good performance, your going to want to get a 7800GT/7900GT (nvidia) or an x1900 (ati). I always go with Nvida, even though I think ATI makes the better hardware; ATI just doesn't seem to know how to make good drivers.

And that's about all the opinions I have on that.

MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 03:49 PM
There's not much point going for SLI yet, and I'm not sure about how well Linux supports it at the moment . . . Definitely need PCI-E - it would be sacrilage to put an AGP card in.
Yea. I dont wanna go with a AGP board. Wanna get current. SVI vs. PCI-E I just dont know. I guess theres 1 vote for PCI-E. :)

I'd go with Asus, ABit, Gigabyte or MSI. Which socket number are you going to go for . . . 754, 939 or one of the new AM2s?
Im actually a little fuzzy on the difference with the newier CPUs. AM2 Would be cool if well supported.

Why do you need 10000 rpm? Unless you are going run data-intensive programs, it's a waste of money. You definitely need SATA, maybe even SATA2. IDE is just too slow these days.
I really just wanna go really fast. I dont mind spending the money. Whats your feeling?

Do you want a mATX case or an mATX mobo? It might be difficult to squeeze everything into an mATX case. If you do manage to do so, at least make sure you stick in plenty of cooling fans.
mATX Mobo and case. I have a mATX HTPC I built thats great. The new machine would get more use and therefore be hot longer so I would cool it plenty. This is not a must though. I would really like to do it thats all. Playing games might kill this idea.

Onboard network support is pretty common for motherboards these days, anyway.
Yea I figured. I mentioned it because I need gigabit which I see on only 50% of boards.

P4s overheat way too easily whilst running games. Stick to AMD for now, IMHO.
OK. I am a bit of a AMD fanboy. ;)



If you want to run a micro ATX case let me recomend this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144160
Ive been looking at these cases.

Could you tell more about it? Pros and Cons?

aeiah
July 28th, 2006, 03:58 PM
i play games with my microatx case and have it full of bits and pieces. never had a heating problem.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-sg01.htm

in it i have:

microatx nforce mobo
2gb ram
amd64 x2 3800
nvidia gt 7800 256mb (pci-e)
creative audigy soundcard
m-audio 4/4 soundcard
300gb sata
80gb ide
dvd-rom

all standard cooling. one backfan and one intake fan next to the hdds near the front side. the power supply specs i dont have off-hand but its a quality one with a large single fan and modular connectors, so i manage to keep airflow at max.

never had heat issues and i play HL2, doom3, quake4 etc. it is a little noisy however, but once i have some time to get some quality fans in there that should sort out the problem.

MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 04:06 PM
I like that case aeiah. :) THIS (http://castle.pricewatch.com/s/search.asp?s=SG01B) is the best price I could find.

What kind of CPU cooling do you use? Did you get a retail AMD with fan or did you use THIS (http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt03.htm)?

BigDave708
July 28th, 2006, 04:20 PM
Im actually a little fuzzy on the difference with the newier CPUs. AM2 Would be cool if well supported.

Check out this:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/05/23/amd_reinvents_itself_uk/

So far I don't know about Linux support and AM2. It will probably suffer a few teething problems, so for now it may be a good idea to give AM2 a wide berth . . . use a socket 754 or 939.

Also, the new Conroe CPUs from Intel seem to be quite good, although I've not tried one (yet), but they sound pretty good:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64_uk/
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/05/first_benchmarks_conroe_vs_fx-62_uk/


I really just wanna go really fast. I dont mind spending the money. Whats your feeling?

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/29/seagate_750_gb_barracuda_enters_the_big_league_uk/

Some of the newer SATA2 hard drives are far quicker (and have larger storage) than old IDE, SATA and SCSI drives.


mATX Mobo and case. I have a mATX HTPC I built thats great. The new machine would get more use and therefore be hot longer so I would cool it plenty. This is not a must though. I would really like to do it thats all. Playing games might kill this idea.

Just remember that with a hard drive or two, an optical drive or two, a CPU (especially if you go for a P4), a GB or two of RAM, a high-quality graphics card and a busy chipset, it could reach quite a sweltering temperature inside an mATX case. Install plenty of cooling . . .

You're not intending to overclock your CPU by any chance are you?

aeiah
July 28th, 2006, 04:23 PM
oo that seems like a good price, i think mine was 110, 120, but that was near the start of this year and would be about $200 i think.

nah ive just got the standard amd fan. im looking to get something a bit quieter, although its by no means very loud. i havent got enough space for an elaborate gpu cooling solution because everything is packed pretty tight, what with the two soundcards, but there's enough clearance for something nice for the cpu.

only problem i had with the case, and they might have rectified it now because i think they brought out a slightly updated edition that is designed for SLI, is that the fan at the back is about 3mm too big to fit most pci cards underneath. i had to cut (well, snap and break away) some of the bottom of the plastic fan housing inside to fit my pci cards in. there's no danger of the fan blades hitting the cards though.

BigDave708
July 28th, 2006, 04:28 PM
What kind of CPU cooling do you use? Did you get a retail AMD with fan or did you use THIS (http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt03.htm)?

Another thing to watch out for when using a large heatsink and cooling fan in an mATX case is the clearance issue. I've had a case or two before now that wouldn't close because the PSU wouldn't fit back in because the CPU fan was in the way.

On the topic of PSUs as well, what power rating are you going for? For a system with the power you want, I would go for about 400-500W (no lower than 400W, you could well end up with a machine that randomly shuts down whilst gaming). Also buy a branded PSU (as opposed to a generic one) - I would personally recommend an Enermax or Levicom.

MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 04:54 PM
Check out this:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/05/23/amd_reinvents_itself_uk/

So far I don't know about Linux support and AM2. It will probably suffer a few teething problems, so for now it may be a good idea to give AM2 a wide berth . . . use a socket 754 or 939.

Also, the new Conroe CPUs from Intel seem to be quite good, although I've not tried one (yet), but they sound pretty good:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64_uk/
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/05/first_benchmarks_conroe_vs_fx-62_uk/



http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/06/29/seagate_750_gb_barracuda_enters_the_big_league_uk/
Thanx for the links.

Some of the newer SATA2 hard drives are far quicker (and have larger storage) than old IDE, SATA and SCSI drives.
Ill read up on SATA2.

Just remember that with a hard drive or two, an optical drive or two, a CPU (especially if you go for a P4), a GB or two of RAM, a high-quality graphics card and a busy chipset, it could reach quite a sweltering temperature inside an mATX case. Install plenty of cooling . . .
I would like this: 2 HDs. 1 SATA2 and 1 ATA133. 1 optical. A GIG of RAM. Really great GFX card. Solid Mobo chipset. 400gig PSU. Round cables. Quiet fans. I think I need to refine my first post.

You're not intending to overclock your CPU by any chance are you?
No. I really dont like doing that.



Another thing to watch out for when using a large heatsink and cooling fan in an mATX case is the clearance issue. I've had a case or two before now that wouldn't close because the PSU wouldn't fit back in because the CPU fan was in the way.
Yea. I bought a Zalmans that wouldnt fit in my HTPC case. :(

On the topic of PSUs as well, what power rating are you going for? For a system with the power you want, I would go for about 400-500W (no lower than 400W, you could well end up with a machine that randomly shuts down whilst gaming). Also buy a branded PSU (as opposed to a generic one) - I would personally recommend an Enermax or Levicom.
4-500 is fine.

BigDave708
July 28th, 2006, 05:04 PM
I'll read up on SATA2.

Watch out for compatability problems. Some SATA2 drives are still a bit dodgy with Linux, although if you go with one from a good manufacturer like Seagate or Maxtor, you should be fine.


I would like this: 2 HDs. 1 SATA2 and 1 ATA133. 1 optical. A GIG of RAM. Really great GFX card. Solid Mobo chipset. 400gig PSU. Round cables. Quiet fans. I think I need to refine my first post.

That should be fine as long as you do use plenty of cooling. I'd put one fan on the front of the case to inhale cool air and one large fan (or two small ones if you have the room) at the back of the case to remove warm air. Watch out for tall, slim cases as the fans are often positioned further down the case, meaning that all the warm air accumulates at the top of the case and can't be extracted.


No. I really dont like doing that.

I've heard (although have never tried it myself) that some overclocked CPUs actually don't work as well as they should in Linux, and that they would be better being left at their normal clock speed.

Carrots171
July 28th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Yep. That doesnt scare me. I might even buy a lower-end one now, then upgrade. Dont know.

You may want to start out with a lower-end card, wait for today's high-end cards to become cheaper, and then upgrade. You'll save quite a bit of money that way.

arsenic23
July 28th, 2006, 05:58 PM
About the case I posted earlier, I'm just going to copy the review I wrote for newegg, as I'm a little pressed for time and at work.


Pros: I bought this case originally planning to build a nice mobile budget machine with it, but after using it for a few months quickly realized just how great a base it'd be for a LAN party machine. The airflow is very good and manages to keep everything, including my 7800GT quite cool. The primary intakes line the front of the sides and top, and while they seem to collect more dust then a traditional setup, they create a much more even airflow pattern. The primary chassis is sturdy and well put together.

Cons: Now I would have given this case a perfect score but for the hit or miss power supply. Mine worked for about half a year before becoming more and more unstable. After a year my 5 and 12 volt rails were so unstable that my machine wouldn't stay on for more then an hour. But as long as you don't have unnecessarily long optical drives, you should be able to squeeze a traditional PSU into this case. My optical drives touch the power supply I just installed, but it fits. I'd also like to point out that I've had two other examples of this case/PSU on my workbench before, and in both cases the PCs had voltage/amperage issues caused by the power supply that comes with this case. It would also be nice if the stock power supply was 24pin and came with a PCIe power connector, but oh well.

Other Thoughts: I still recommend this case even with the PSU issues, but I have a few recommendations if you intend to use it: Be prepared to replace the PSU if you get odd voltages. If you go into buying this thing with the notion that the power supply may or may not last, you'll be better off. Though you may be lucky enough to get one that doesn't flake out. Make sure you don't buy unusually sized Optical drives, just in case. I'd attach felt/foam/etc pads where the handle hits the case. After a lot of use I've got two gouges on my handle from wear against the case, so I wish I would have done this when I first got it.


Also I see people recomending hard drive brands. Let me point out that last time I checked only Seagate and Westerndigital offer 5 year warrenties on their products. I'd recomend WD over Seagate simply because they run cooler, and that means a good bit when setting up inside a microATX case.



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You may want to start out with a lower-end card, wait for today's high-end cards to become cheaper, and then upgrade. You'll save quite a bit of money that way.

I've never seen the logic in this. So I can buy a 150 dollar card now, and then when the new cards are slightly out of date pay 150 dollars for one of them, instead of just buying the 300 dollar card now and enjoying it while it's fresh?

MetalMusicAddict
July 28th, 2006, 06:31 PM
You may want to start out with a lower-end card, wait for today's high-end cards to become cheaper, and then upgrade. You'll save quite a bit of money that way.
I've never seen the logic in this. So I can buy a 150 dollar card now, and then when the new cards are slightly out of date pay 150 dollars for one of them, instead of just buying the 300 dollar card now and enjoying it while it's fresh?
I was thinking buy a cheap one now but then I thought like you. I actually might end up spending more in the end than just getting what I want now. Money isnt so much of an issue. The $1000 (US) is my target. A little above is cool.

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 12:19 AM
Some of the newer SATA2 hard drives are far quicker (and have larger storage) than old IDE, SATA and SCSI drives.
Ok. If I go SATA2 whats the smallest drive I can get? I use seperate drives for OS and data. An 80gig would be perfect. I cant seem to find drives for sale. I have a crappy internet connection ATM.

Also, should I go AM2 so I can use DDR2?

mips
July 29th, 2006, 01:06 AM
AM2 will give you a 800mhz FSB with DDR2 if you use a X2 cpu. It will also be more enerygy efficient (less heat) and it provides for much better virtualization (Vmware etc). It's also forward compatible with AM3 CPU's.

Carrots171
July 29th, 2006, 02:57 AM
I've never seen the logic in this. So I can buy a 150 dollar card now, and then when the new cards are slightly out of date pay 150 dollars for one of them, instead of just buying the 300 dollar card now and enjoying it while it's fresh?
Sometimes people get expensive video cards so they can play a game that comes out in the future, E.G. UT2007. When UT2007 actually comes out, the same video card will most likely be cheaper. Few games today require $300 video cards. Many people get them to prepare for the future (when the same card will be cheaper).

If you actually need a $300 card right now, it would make sense to buy it. If you're buying to "future-proof" your computer, you may want to consider waiting until the future comes.

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 03:12 AM
Sometimes people get expensive video cards so they can play a game that comes out in the future, E.G. UT2007. When UT2007 actually comes out, the same video card will most likely be cheaper. Few games today require $300 video cards. Many people get them to prepare for the future (when the same card will be cheaper).

If you actually need a $300 card right now, it would make sense to buy it. If you're buying to "future-proof" your computer, you may want to consider waiting until the future comes.

Thing is Id have to buy a new card anyway. All my current cards are AGP. I also have about a month or so. Im gathering as much info as I can now so Ill see how prices go.

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 04:25 AM
Ok. So far it looks like THIS (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1621488&Tab=2&NoMapp=0) case and THIS (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2253295&CatId=2321) mobo but Im not sure if I can use THIS (http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt03.htm) CPU cooler.

I REALLY like the case and mobo. The mobo has all the options I want and even had onboard video to hold me over 'till UT2007 comes out. ;)

So CPU would be next but Im not sure. THESE (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?CatId=2328) are at TigerDirect.

WildTangent
July 29th, 2006, 05:40 AM
THIS (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2253295&CatId=2321) mobo
I REALLY like the case and mobo. The mobo has all the options I want and even had onboard video to hold me over 'till UT2007 comes out. ;)


DO NOT get that mobo. That chipset has numerous compatibility issues with Linux last I heard. It spells certain doom for you.

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 03:36 PM
DO NOT get that mobo. That chipset has numerous compatibility issues with Linux last I heard. It spells certain doom for you.

-Wild

Aww man. :( Bummer. Its the only one like it Ive found.

BigDave708
July 29th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Aww man. :( Bummer. Its the only one like it Ive found.

The only problem is that you want an mATX motherboard and the only AM2 mobos that are mATX form factor motherboards have similar chipsets. The only other mobo that has everything you want is this one:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2222539&CatId=2320

It doesn't have the same chipset, but does have a similar model. I'm not sure about the compatability - it may be or may not be compatible with Linux . . .

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 04:03 PM
The only problem is that you want an mATX motherboard and the only AM2 mobos that are mATX form factor motherboards have similar chipsets. The only other mobo that has everything you want is this one:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2222539&CatId=2320

It doesn't have the same chipset, but does have a similar model. I'm not sure about the compatability - it may be or may not be compatible with Linux . . .

It looks as though it uses the nForce4 chipset instead of nForce5. That might be a better thing though.

What about CPU. THIS (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2207247&CatId=2328) one looks good for the price point. Next is a $60 jump for 200Mhz. Doesnt seem worth it.

BigDave708
July 29th, 2006, 04:43 PM
What about CPU. THIS (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2207247&CatId=2328) one looks good for the price point. Next is a $60 jump for 200Mhz. Doesnt seem worth it.

For the price, that CPU seems fine. Remember, if you really do want that extra 200Mhz, then you could try overclocking . . . your system may be stable, it may not be. Although I advised you not to above, it may still work - it has done for me.

arsenic23
July 29th, 2006, 05:59 PM
yuchk Tiger. Let me sugest to you Mwave:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/ViewProducts.hmx?PID=CPU-A64AM2&updepts=CPU&DNAME=Processors+%2D+CPU

Slightly better prices, ridiculously better service.
I've been purchasing from them since early 2003.

mips
July 29th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Yea I figured. I mentioned it because I need gigabit which I see on only 50% of boards.


Why do you need G=gigabit ethernet if you don't mind me asking, what are you plugging into ?

WildTangent
July 29th, 2006, 08:08 PM
The only problem is that you want an mATX motherboard and the only AM2 mobos that are mATX form factor motherboards have similar chipsets. The only other mobo that has everything you want is this one:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2222539&CatId=2320

It doesn't have the same chipset, but does have a similar model. I'm not sure about the compatability - it may be or may not be compatible with Linux . . .

That one's no good either. The Nvidia nforce MCP 410 and 430 chipsets (with integrated geforce 6100 or 6150) both have compatibility issues. Try googling it, there's many accounts of these issues.


Why do you need G=gigabit ethernet if you don't mind me asking, what are you plugging into ?

I'll second that question. Do you have or plan to get in the near future a gigabit router?

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
July 29th, 2006, 08:14 PM
What about THESE (http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Deepsearchdd.hmx?UID=&CID=) minus the Asus and Gigabyte?

I have a SMC Gigabit home network. 5 PCs. Thay all have gig NICs. I move around large .ISO files often.

MetalMusicAddict
July 30th, 2006, 03:27 AM
THIS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058) case open up better options. So what Mobo would you recommend now?

I dont need all that "dual-nic" "dual-gfx" stuff. Just a solid, powerfull rig.

WildTangent
July 30th, 2006, 05:55 PM
Ok, I have come up with a rather nice list for you :)

CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751) (socket AM2, 2.4ghz) - $259.00
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321) (socket AM2, Nforce 4 SLI chipset) - $96.99
Memory: Corsair XMS2 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566) (2 x 512MB, DDR2-800) - $104.00
Video: eVGA Geforce 7900GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130032) - $269.99
Hard drive: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033) - $169.99
Optical drive: Pioneer 16x DVD+/-RW (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001) - $32.99
Power supply: IN WIN 460W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817374001) (ATX 24-pin, 2 PCI-E 12V connectors) - $57.99
Case: Lian Li PC-V1000BPlus II Black (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058) - 208.99

Total cost: $1199.94

Just a note: With socket AM2, DO NOT get any CPU with an odd multiplier, like 11, or 13. Read this (http://www.w1ldt4ng3nt.net/blog/index.php?itemid=33) blog post to see why.

I know this has gone over your stated budget by $200, but you said you could pay more, and believe me, I think this is worth the extra. However, you can shave off almost $200 if you got a 7200 RPM hard drive, and a Geforce 7600GT. Also, the mobo does have SLI, but it is a very cheap one, and this chipset has proven to be reliable.

-Wild

mips
July 30th, 2006, 06:01 PM
WildTangent,

Thats a very nice list you put together there. And ditto on the clock multi-plier issue.

MetalMusicAddict
July 30th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Ok, I have come up with a rather nice list for you :)
Thanx!

CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751) (socket AM2, 2.4ghz) - $259.00
I can just see my encoding times getting cut in half now. :)

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321) (socket AM2, Nforce 4 SLI chipset) - $96.99
Looks great. ;)

Memory: Corsair XMS2 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566) (2 x 512MB, DDR2-800) - $104.00You mentioned getting 2 gigs. Whats the reason? I usually go 1 gig and never seem to really use it. :)

Video: eVGA Geforce 7900GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130032) - $269.99
Sounds awesome. Are you using stock cooling? Some people mentioned it as getting hot with stock cooling.
Also this should be able to drive a 30" Dell right? I think it needs one of those "Dual-Link" features. I see it listed. Does that mean 2 cards? Im thinking about getting the 30" and selling my 24". Just a thought. ;)

Hard drive: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033) - $169.99
This is a drive Ive wanted for a LOOONG time. Can anyone think of a con?

Optical drive: Pioneer 16x DVD+/-RW (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001) - $32.99
I really dont need a new DVD drive. This does look great though some of the reviews site it as being really loud.

Power supply: IN WIN 460W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817374001) (ATX 24-pin, 2 PCI-E 12V connectors) - $57.99
Perfect.

Case: Lian Li PC-V1000BPlus II Black (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058) - 208.99
I fell in love with this case. Kinda Mac-ish. I cant wait to put a Ubuntu logo on it. :)


Total cost: $1199.94
Not bad. Very acceptable. :)


Just a note: With socket AM2, DO NOT get any CPU with an odd multiplier, like 11, or 13. Read this (http://www.w1ldt4ng3nt.net/blog/index.php?itemid=33) blog post to see why.
Nice to know.

I know this has gone over your stated budget by $200, but you said you could pay more, and believe me, I think this is worth the extra. However, you can shave off almost $200 if you got a 7200 RPM hard drive, and a Geforce 7600GT. Also, the mobo does have SLI, but it is a very cheap one, and this chipset has proven to be reliable.

-Wild
No prob with the money. I would even consider spending a little more with the right argument. ;) Everything you've posted looks great though.

WildTangent
July 31st, 2006, 03:57 AM
Thanx!
I really dont need a new DVD drive. This does look great though some of the reviews site it as being really loud.

You could always substitute it for something else, I just figured since they're cheap these days, it'd be worth getting. I picked the Pioneer one at random actually, feel free to choose something else.

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
July 31st, 2006, 04:19 AM
What would you reccommend as a good CPU fan? Ive been partial to Zalmans lately. Ill look around tomorrow. Im off to bed.

Stu09
July 31st, 2006, 05:18 AM
Ok, I have come up with a rather nice list for you :)

CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751) (socket AM2, 2.4ghz) - $259.00
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321) (socket AM2, Nforce 4 SLI chipset) - $96.99
Memory: Corsair XMS2 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566) (2 x 512MB, DDR2-800) - $104.00
Video: eVGA Geforce 7900GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130032) - $269.99
Hard drive: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033) - $169.99
Optical drive: Pioneer 16x DVD+/-RW (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001) - $32.99
Power supply: IN WIN 460W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817374001) (ATX 24-pin, 2 PCI-E 12V connectors) - $57.99
Case: Lian Li PC-V1000BPlus II Black (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058) - 208.99

Total cost: $1199.94

Just a note: With socket AM2, DO NOT get any CPU with an odd multiplier, like 11, or 13. Read this (http://www.w1ldt4ng3nt.net/blog/index.php?itemid=33) blog post to see why.

I know this has gone over your stated budget by $200, but you said you could pay more, and believe me, I think this is worth the extra. However, you can shave off almost $200 if you got a 7200 RPM hard drive, and a Geforce 7600GT. Also, the mobo does have SLI, but it is a very cheap one, and this chipset has proven to be reliable.

-Wild


This is almost exactly the list of components I'm looking at getting to build my new machine. Except I don't need/want 10K RPM drive etc. It's reassuring to see my list replicated on here, I was a bit worried about compatibility issues.:D

WildTangent
July 31st, 2006, 06:37 AM
What would you reccommend as a good CPU fan? Ive been partial to Zalmans lately. Ill look around tomorrow. Im off to bed.

Look no further than this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223) baby right here. :)

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
July 31st, 2006, 03:08 PM
So besides money would it be better to get a single (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145153) stick of memory vs. two (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566)?

BigDave708
July 31st, 2006, 03:31 PM
Look no further than this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223) baby right here. :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l282/bigdave708/tick.gif The Zalman's are very good. That thing is just a big lump of copper. Make sure you use proper thermal paste with it like some Arctic Silver and not just some crappy thermal pad.


So besides money would it be better to get a single (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145153) stick of memory vs. two (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566)?

Unless you are going to use a dual-channel motherboard, the performance increase will be minimal. I would go for which ever option is cheaper.

mips
July 31st, 2006, 03:57 PM
I dunno how allergic you are to noise but I would go with a heatsink that has a low rpm 120mm fan,. I still need to get one and change my psu fan to a lower db one.

BigDave708
July 31st, 2006, 04:33 PM
I dunno how allergic you are to noise but I would go with a heatsink that has a low rpm 120mm fan,. I still need to get one and change my psu fan to a lower db one.

It's going in a Lian-Li case, though. Those things are built like tanks . . . you won't hear an awful lot through it.

MetalMusicAddict
July 31st, 2006, 06:59 PM
Yea. Im not real worried about sound. I have a Zalmans 7000 now thats great. I was actually thinking that 10k RPM HD might be louder than anything. :)

I cant wait to get this monster. :)

I plan on playing with it for a bit before I do a final Ubuntu install. Ill play with the 64-bit vs. the 32-bit. Try Debian 64. Maybe a BSD.

Ill also need to do a very clean windows install. I use it for my Xvid movies. I hope to cut those times in half. ;)

BigDave708
July 31st, 2006, 07:29 PM
I plan on playing with it for a bit before I do a final Ubuntu install. Ill play with the 64-bit vs. the 32-bit. Try Debian 64. Maybe a BSD.

Ill also need to do a very clean windows install. I use it for my Xvid movies. I hope to cut those times in half. ;)

Let us know how it goes :D :cool: . . .

MetalMusicAddict
July 31st, 2006, 10:16 PM
OK. Thats it. It's done. I should get the conformation e-mail in a min.

Heres what I got:


Mobo: Gigabyte GA-M55SLI-S4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321)
CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103751)
GFX: eVGA Geforce 7900GT 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130032)
RAM: Corsair XMS2 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145153)
PSU: IN WIN 460W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817374001)
Case: Lan Li PC-V1000BPlus II (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112058&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=11-112-058)
HD: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033)
CPU Fan: Zalman CNPS9500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223)


$1278.94 (US) Total

I guess I'll have a stock heatsink/fan left over. :)
With my old PC that this will replace and other parts I will build another box and put it to some use. :)

Many thanx to WildTangent. ;)

Praetorian
July 31st, 2006, 10:16 PM
What would you reccommend as a good CPU fan? Ive been partial to Zalmans lately. Ill look around tomorrow. Im off to bed.

Why not buy a Arctic Freezer 64 Pro?
They are cheap ( 15) and they are quiet.

WildTangent
July 31st, 2006, 11:10 PM
Well, you did do yourself one favor in buying a single 1GB RAM module, in that if you upgrade to 2, you'll get dual channel and running at 1T command rate instead of 2T you'd get using 4 RAM modules.

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
July 31st, 2006, 11:33 PM
Well, you did do yourself one favor in buying a single 1GB RAM module, in that if you upgrade to 2, you'll get dual channel and running at 1T command rate instead of 2T you'd get using 4 RAM modules.

-Wild
Yea. That was really just dumb luck. The 2x512 sticks were on backorder.

Im just impatient. :)

I rarely use all of 1gig worth or RAM. Why would 2 be needed becides the cool factor?

So, about the next step.

What OS's are you guys with 64-bit processors runnin'?
Is 64-bit Ubuntu where 32-bit is yet?
Do games need to be 64-bit? ie: Quake4, UT2004, Glest, Tremulus and so on.
Is there a 64-bit Xubuntu?
Are there any 64-bit BSD's?
Anyone tried Debian 64-bit?


Thanx all. ;)

WildTangent
August 1st, 2006, 06:35 AM
I'd just stick with 32-bit. The hassle of getting everything working correctly in a 64-bit environment just isn't worth the minimal speed gain you get. One man's opinion at least :)

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
August 1st, 2006, 11:47 AM
So becides speed I wont miss out of features of the chip? Which 32-bit kernel should I use?

WildTangent
August 1st, 2006, 08:00 PM
So becides speed I wont miss out of features of the chip? Which 32-bit kernel should I use?

k7

-Wild

mips
August 1st, 2006, 08:03 PM
SMP version unless they are all SMP enabled.

WildTangent
August 1st, 2006, 09:33 PM
SMP version unless they are all SMP enabled.

Good call :)


sudo apt-get install linux-k7-smp

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
August 1st, 2006, 11:26 PM
From THIS (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193551&highlight=k7+smp) post it looks as though SMP is enabled in the K7 and 686 kernels. HERES (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=226730) another that talks about it. I guess it wouldnt matter?

Also, I freakin' love NewEgg. My stuff shipped today. :) I dont have the tracking number yet but on NewEgg it says its done. Awesome.

MetalMusicAddict
August 3rd, 2006, 03:36 PM
Hey guys. Lately I havnt been using a swap partition on other machines. Do you think it will be a problem on this one?

mips
August 3rd, 2006, 04:20 PM
Just have one although you might not use it. A time might arise where it is required, it's not like you are wasting lots of precious hd space. I have a 2gb swap partition but my system rarely if ever uses it.

Stu09
August 4th, 2006, 12:14 AM
Is the swap partition only used if there isn't enough available memory ?

MetalMusicAddict
August 4th, 2006, 04:09 AM
Hey all. It looks as though Ive F'ed up. I dont think the Zalmans fan I got is for the socket type I bought. None of the pics in the manuals fit with what I have. Its an X2 chip but a socket AM2.

Its all WildTangent's fault. ;)

THIS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118004) is the one I shoulda got I think. Reading through the reviews of this one the only difference is the color and the bracket. Zalmans wont sell just the bracket. Sux.

Stu09
August 4th, 2006, 04:45 AM
Spewing you didn't realise until after you got it :mad:

At least anyone else that's looking at that fan will know which one to get now :-\"

MetalMusicAddict
August 4th, 2006, 04:57 AM
Yea. It sux. I just ordered the right one. I'll use the stock one for a couple of days 'till the right one gets here. Oh well. I get charged a restocking fee though. :(

Stu09
August 4th, 2006, 05:01 AM
Can you send the other one back ? or just ebay it.

WildTangent
August 4th, 2006, 07:02 AM
whoops...my bad. Think I picked the wrong one... :-\" :roll:

-Wild

PrimoTurbo
August 4th, 2006, 07:14 AM
Someone explain to me why the hard drive is so expensive with that little space? Is it super fast or something? Does it really make a big difference?

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM

74GB is so little by today's standards imo.

mips
August 4th, 2006, 09:38 AM
I think you are paying for the 10k RPM.

Wait untill you see the price on 15k RPM SCSI drives...

MetalMusicAddict
August 4th, 2006, 01:50 PM
whoops...my bad. Think I picked the wrong one... :-\" :roll:

-Wild
Oh well man.***** happens.

Can you send the other one back ? or just ebay it.
I can send it back but theres a restocking fee. :(

Someone explain to me why the hard drive is so expensive with that little space? Is it super fast or something? Does it really make a big difference?

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM

74GB is so little by today's standards imo.
For me 74gigs is big for the way I build my PCs. I usually build with 2 drives. One for the OS/apps and another for data. That way if the OS drive fails I dont loose tons of data like music/video/docs/projects.

We will see if the price was worth the speed. Im working in OS installs today.

Ill just use the stock fan 'till the other comes.

You guys gotta see this case. ITS AMAZING! I honestly think its every bit as good as the new Apple cases. The fit and finish is perfect. Im still getting cable managment and some other things squared away. I gotta buy a couple of round IDE cables. Really I cant say enough about this setup. Great.

I was so used to buying cheap cases. Ill never do it again.

Ill take some pics and post 'em later. :)

MetalMusicAddict
August 7th, 2006, 06:35 PM
I updated the first post with pics. :)

WildTangent
August 7th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Looks great :) Are you planning on dual-booting with XP? If so, go out and buy Battlefield 2, it's a great game. :D

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
August 7th, 2006, 07:00 PM
I did do a dual-boot setup but its just for video encoding. If I cant play it in linux I dont play it. :)

I actually got back into UT2004. Im playing @ 1920x1200 with 16xAA, 16xAF and all the ingame settings turned all the way up. So sick. I also found a awesome mod called Alien Swarm (http://www.blackcatgames.com/swarm/info).

mips
August 7th, 2006, 07:01 PM
I have some cable-managment to do and a Ubuntu logo to put on the HSF shroud.

I wanna shorten up the power bundel from the PSU to the mobo but Im a little scared. Its like twice as long as it needs to be.


Yes you definately have some cable management to do, looks very messy. I would not start cutting the PSU wires.

Go and buy some small cable ties/zip ties, they do a great job on keeping things neat. Just don't over tighten them. I manged to fold the power wires back on themselves, cable tied and tucked them out of the way. My current case is a masterpiece as far as cables are concerned.

WildTangent
August 7th, 2006, 07:04 PM
I did do a dual-boot setup but its just for video encoding. If I cant play it in linux I dont play it. :)

Well, we could always play Quake 4. It's a good game too :P

-Wild

MetalMusicAddict
August 7th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Its really not too bad mips. Where you can see cables is the only spot where it is bad. Most of the cables arent long enough to zip-tie up but they are still a little loose. All of the messy wires are power cables.

Im still gonna see what I can do. Im too busy using it right now. :)

MetalMusicAddict
August 7th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Well, we could always play Quake 4. It's a good game too :P

-Wild

Thats the one thing I didnt install yet. Its packed WAY away in a box somewhere and Im not desperate enough to get it out (yet). I plan on doing it when Im in my house.

codypumper
August 7th, 2006, 10:08 PM
How much did the whole thing cost? Might set mine up just the same.

mips
August 7th, 2006, 10:16 PM
How much did the whole thing cost? Might set mine up just the same.

See post #1, $1278.94 (US) Total

MetalMusicAddict
August 7th, 2006, 10:25 PM
I must say that several things have gone up in price. Most notiably the CPU. Its jumped $60.

RyanGT
October 16th, 2006, 04:20 AM
So, I am considering a very similar hardware purchase. If this setup works for 32-bit, does that mean all the hardware is compatible with x86_64bit Dapper?

MetalMusicAddict
October 16th, 2006, 04:29 AM
I have used Dapper 32&64 and now Edgy with no problems. There might be hickups with nForce5 Ive heard. They might be worked out by now though.

RyanGT
October 16th, 2006, 03:12 PM
So, are there other people reading this thread running socket AM2 systems? I have read several threads with big problems with AM2, but they seem to be only the nvidia 500 series chipset motherboards. I was leaning away from socket AM2 and after reading this I am leaning back in this direction (I don't really want to buy a socket 939 mother board and DDR 400 ram and then not really be able to upgrade my processor in a year or so). But I also don't want to by a socket AM2 system and then have huge headaches getting it working initially. Is MetalMusicAddict's success more the exception or the norm?

Thanks,

Ryan

MetalMusicAddict
October 16th, 2006, 03:18 PM
I dont think Im the exception. I think its using the nForce 5 chipset that will get people into trouble.

You also have to remember. If you go this route your going with really new products that not as many people have. So drivers and things dont get written as fast for.

I can tell you this. The setup I have listed works GREAT on Edgy. If you use Dapper, you will need to use the official nVidia drivers to get the most out of the card.

RyanGT
October 16th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Do you mean the nVidia drivers for the graphics card or the motherboard/chipset? If you mean the chipset, are they hard to install? Do I do that before or after the basic installation?

Are there any other Dapper problems? Is it going to boot from the LiveCD out-of-the-box?

Thanks again. This threas is really helping me avoid making a bad purchase.

Ryan

MetalMusicAddict
October 16th, 2006, 05:17 PM
I should have been clear on that. I was refering to the GFX card. The drivers from the repo will make the 7900 GT work but not great. I had problems with Quake4 for instance. I used the drivers from nVidia and things worked great. The most current drivers from nVidia are in Edgy repos but not Dapper. You should have no problem with using the live disk. Just use 6.06.1.

As far as the mobo goes Ubuntu handles that. Nothing to get from elsewhere.

I would say go with AM2. Its the future and things will only get better. Im kinda on the fence with my mobo. The brand, not the chipset. It boots a little slower than others I have had but its really solid and thats not a problem with Ubuntu.

Actually theres more work to getting this working in windows than there is in Ubuntu. Honest.

RyanGT
October 16th, 2006, 05:22 PM
Thanks again. I am nearly sold. I will mainly use the machine for engineering work with SciPy, NumPy, and Matplotlib (basically a Python replacement for Matlab). There is a guy on the SciPy list that is running Edgy. If he says it works without too much trouble, I will most likely go this route (SciPy depends on Atlas, Blas, Lapack, g77, ...., so it is sometimes a hassle to get it all going after a version change).

I read reviews about the Gigabyte motherboard that the northbridge chip runs hot. Any troubles with that?

Thanks again,

Ryan

MetalMusicAddict
October 16th, 2006, 05:32 PM
I read reviews about the Gigabyte motherboard that the northbridge chip runs hot. Any troubles with that?
I havnt noticed it running hot. I do have a good amount of air running throught this box.

Oh, side note about my case. Its awesome. This Lian Li cases fit and finish cant be beat. Lots of room. Pleasure to work on. Comes with really quiet fans. You can hear them but they arent distracting. If you have the means, consider it.

I had hickups at first with Edgy but I have watched them be fixed. It does run fine though and we have to remember Edgy isnt final.

Overall the power of this thing is sick. I do alot of Xvid encoding and it flies. Games also are a joy to play. I have a Dell 2405 to go with this setup. ;)

RyanGT
October 16th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Also, mine will need to be a dual-boot system and I have a license for Windows XP Pro (I think it is sevice pack2 vintage). Would you care to comment on the windows difficulties you had? Any pointers? I am assuming I can just install 32-bit Windows on this system right? (I think I might have heard about 64-bit windows, but I certainly don't own a copy and am not spending money on one).

Thanks,

Ryan

MetalMusicAddict
October 16th, 2006, 05:47 PM
Also, mine will need to be a dual-boot system and I have a license for Windows XP Pro (I think it is sevice pack2 vintage). Would you care to comment on the windows difficulties you had? Any pointers? I am assuming I can just install 32-bit Windows on this system right? (I think I might have heard about 64-bit windows, but I certainly don't own a copy and am not spending money on one).

Thanks,

Ryan
I have 5 computers in the house and it is the 1 I do dual-boot on. :) If I remember correctly, there were drivers for just about everything that had to be installed. Ubuntu did a better job in this aspect. So after you install XP you will need to use the driver disk that comes with the mobo.

As far as 64-bit windows goes, I dont know. XP-32 bit will be my last copy of windows. Ill use that untill its unsupported then thats it. I use it for very little as it is now.

RyanGT
October 18th, 2006, 06:22 AM
So, I am all ready to pull the trigger, but my processor is out of stock. I guess I will wait a day or two and then think about shelling out the cash for a faster one in-stock. There is a deal right now on 2x512 ram, but the timing is listed as different from the 1GB (5-5-5-15 vs. 5-5-5-12). Does that matter? Do I need to do anything to the motherboard to make this RAM work optimally?

Do you see anthing in this list that isn't compatible or is missing? I have a monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse to plug into this thing. I am hoping everything else is on this list. A few small changes from your setup, but fairly minimal. I think the cases are the same, but the silver one will match my monitor. You endorsed the case so strongly I decided it must be worth the money (I figure it elimiates the risk of the motherboard having a problem with the northbridge chip temp).

Thanks again,

Ryan

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RyanGT
October 18th, 2006, 06:31 AM
Is the "odd multiplier" problem significant? The 2.0GHz chip is $159-169 but out-of-stock. The 2.2Ghz (odd multiplier) is $189. The 2.4 is $249. $249 is 50% more than the 2.0 for $159 and I would prefer not to spend that much. But I don't know how long I am willing to wait. Will the 2.2 work well? With 800MHz DDR2, do I really need a CPU whose speed is divisiable by 800 (instead of even multipliers of 400)? Or is all of this multiplier talk overrated?

RyanGT
October 18th, 2006, 06:43 AM
I was refering to this note about memory multipliers:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/340

I think it is referenced somewhere in this thread.

Ryan