Ubuntu "Christian Edition" [technical discussion]

[Iandefor]

I will PM you with your temporary ftp account.

Thanks, Jereme Alrighty. Thanks :).

[forrestcupp]

Thanks, do you know of any Catholic translations that can be used?

Jereme

E-sword is a good free (of cost anyway) bible software for windows that is comparable to gnomesword, only they have a lot more public domain modules. Unfortunately it will never be ported to linux because of the way it is set up. If anyone could figure out how to convert the modules to Sword project modules, it would be helpful. They do have a module that is the King James translation with apocryphal books, which I think is what a Catholic bible is. I have searched for a way to convert them, but I don't think anyone has come up with it yet.

to see what I'm talking about:
http://e-sword.net/

[kpurcell]

I have a suggestion for the next release- install more than just the King James Bible and Matthew's commentary for Gnomesword. The interface in Gnomeword to handle installation of commentaries and translations is... lacking, to put it nicely.

I don't know if this is even possible, but I quite easily installed e-Sword via WINE. It is a much better package and has a lot more availabe for people to use. Can you even do something like that in a Linux distro? If you can, then that would be the best way to include a good Bible Study tool. Or maybe just install WINE and put a link on the desktop showing them where to download it.

[Iandefor]

I don't know if this is even possible, but I quite easily installed e-Sword via WINE. It is a much better package and has a lot more availabe for people to use. Can you even do something like that in a Linux distro? If you can, then that would be the best way to include a good Bible Study tool. Or maybe just install WINE and put a link on the desktop showing them where to download it. To get a technically adequate version out the door... it would suffice. But there are other considerations. Why should a church need Ubuntu if it uses Windows software run through a buggy compatibility layer? Why not just use Windows itself, if it's already relying on Windows software/

[shane2peru]

I don't know if this is even possible, but I quite easily installed e-Sword via WINE. It is a much better package and has a lot more availabe for people to use. Can you even do something like that in a Linux distro? If you can, then that would be the best way to include a good Bible Study tool. Or maybe just install WINE and put a link on the desktop showing them where to download it.

I think you would have to use the link idea, because I think it is against e-Swords policy to become a distributer of e-Sword. I use e-Sword and it is an excellent Bible Study Program, the best free one that I have seen. I have installed it via wine in the past, however it is a little buggy, and doesn't run quite right. I don't think that would be a good display of the best of Linux. I don't even use it on Linux because it is too chopy and buggy.

Shane

[forrestcupp]

I think you would have to use the link idea, because I think it is against e-Swords policy to become a distributer of e-Sword. I use e-Sword and it is an excellent Bible Study Program, the best free one that I have seen. I have installed it via wine in the past, however it is a little buggy, and doesn't run quite right. I don't think that would be a good display of the best of Linux. I don't even use it on Linux because it is too chopy and buggy.

Shane

That's why someone needs to come up with a way to convert Esword modules to Sword Project modules. They are public domain, except for the ones you have to pay for to unlock. I don't know if it would even be possible, though, but that would be nice.

[shane2peru]

I may be mistaken, but I believe that most of the e-Sword modules came from the Sword Project. I have made Sword Project material, and e-Sword material, and Online Bible material, and to be honest it is easier to make e-Sword material, because of the wealth of tools that users have made to convert text, html, rtf and other forms to e-Sword modules. I'm still working on e-Sword material, and will probably never delete my Windows partition for that reason. E-Sword is invaliable to me.

Shane

Sorry Jereme, didn't mean to make this a Sword vs. E-Sword thread.

[jersilb]

Ubuntu Christian edition is fantastic idea! I am already building PC's with Edubuntu and then having to load bible readers (gnomesword or e-sword) afterward. These PC's are then donated to Christian based learning centers, food pantry's, shelters, etc. I know it will be a welcome addition by many folks in the community.

P.S. E-Sword does rock! Even if you build the distro with wine running e-sword it would be awesome.:cool:

Jeremy S.

[Tomosaur]

While I don't follow any religion myself (Agnostic rather than Atheist), I do think this is a pretty good idea. If and when it is released, I'd certainly download a copy and hand it to the priest up the road. He runs a youth group every week in the church and they use computers for whatever reason. I'm fairly sure he'd be very interested in this project.

[mhancoc7]

While I don't follow any religion myself (Agnostic rather than Atheist), I do think this is a pretty good idea. If and when it is released, I'd certainly download a copy and hand it to the priest up the road. He runs a youth group every week in the church and they use computers for whatever reason. I'm fairly sure he'd be very interested in this project.

Thanks so much. Jereme

[mhancoc7]

I have received further confimation from Canonical regarding the Ubuntu Christian Edition project. They have given their "blessing" on it. However, they want me to make some changes to the look of the project site. They want it to be more distinctive. I have been making some changes and I am waiting for their response. I am hoping to stay with something similiar to the Ubuntu look and feel.
Thanks, Jereme

[kigina]

the fish is great, lol.
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/images/headerlogo.png

[mhancoc7]

the fish is great, lol.

Thank you very much. I love GIMP and Inkscape!!

Jereme

[cjm5229]

That would be nice, but that may be hard to do since you have to install modules manually. If this could be done, it would be very helpful. I installed a lot of modules, and it took me forever.

Also, like aysiu said earlier, openlp would be a great addition for churches who want to display song lyrics or other presentations. I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but you should also include gnucash which would be good for a church to keep track of finances.

I found that if you install Bibletime, the modules are just a click away. Once they are installed in Bibletime they will also be in Gnomesword. Bibletime works quite well in Gnome, even though it is a KDE App.

[tageiru]

I have received further confimation from Canonical regarding the Ubuntu Christian Edition project. They have given their "blessing" on it.
What specifically does this "blessing" mean? Is it the same kind of blessing given to kubuntu and xubuntu?

[muz1]

Okay.
This is officially insane. Insane in a good way though. I know that there are some really cheesy stuff out there but this aint one of them. This is about Choice and I personally believe Jesus would have used Linux. Keep up the awesome work and congrats on choosing a rawkn distro.
Audi

muz

[mhancoc7]

What specifically does this "blessing" mean? Is it the same kind of blessing given to kubuntu and xubuntu?

Here is a small quote from my resent correspondence with Canonical.

"The idea behind the project and even the domain are fine. We are pleased that you want to help introduce Ubuntu to this community."

Okay.
This is officially insane. Insane in a good way though. I know that there are some really cheesy stuff out there but this aint one of them. This is about Choice and I personally believe Jesus would have used Linux. Keep up the awesome work and congrats on choosing a rawkn distro.
Audi

muz

Thank you so very much.

God Bless, Jereme

[Iandefor]

Okay.
This is officially insane. Insane in a good way though. I know that there are some really cheesy stuff out there but this aint one of them. This is about Choice and I personally believe Jesus would have used Linux. Keep up the awesome work and congrats on choosing a rawkn distro.
Audi

muz rofl... I can just imagine if Jesus had a bad day with Linux:

"G-DDAM* it!" [Note: only trying to be respectful here... while still getting the joke across :)]

And, from that day on, Linux was considered "unclean" by the masses...

[Lord Illidan]

I just thought up a name...

In Maltese, we call the fish Ichtys.. Iktus..

Now, why not use this word : Ictus as a name for this distro:

Integrated Christian Themed Ubuntu System

What do you think?

[muz1]

Hi Jereme.
Great to see some people out there being innovative. I was going to ask about the posibilities of an alternative to having to reinstall an entire operating system just to see Christian Ubuntu in full flight.
It would be awesome if it could come in a mod pack that contained all of the software, updates and badging etc...
Basically, I have setup my system exactly how I want it and I don't really want to install my applications again. If I could just install something that includes the content of the Christian Ubunut edition, that would be awesome. Your thoughts?

Anyway, cheers and keep up the awesome work.
Murray

[mhancoc7]

I just thought up a name...

In Maltese, we call the fish Ichtys.. Iktus..

Now, why not use this word : Ictus as a name for this distro:

Integrated Christian Themed Ubuntu System

What do you think?

I think that is an excellent name. I will be adding it to the "proposed" ideas list.

Hi Jereme.
Great to see some people out there being innovative. I was going to ask about the posibilities of an alternative to having to reinstall an entire operating system just to see Christian Ubuntu in full flight.
It would be awesome if it could come in a mod pack that contained all of the software, updates and badging etc...
Basically, I have setup my system exactly how I want it and I don't really want to install my applications again. If I could just install something that includes the content of the Christian Ubunut edition, that would be awesome. Your thoughts?

Anyway, cheers and keep up the awesome work.
Murray

Thanks Murray,
I have always wanted to see a "Christian Distro" so I figured I would just see if I could do it.

I am working on what will be the next release now. Along with the next release there will be two scripts that you can use to either Upgrade from the previous release or Convert to the most recent release. I am still testing the scripts. So far so good. They are the first scripts that I have written, but all seems to be working well. I want to be sure that it is easy to Upgrade or Convert. I want to avoid reinstalling the entire OS.

God Bless, Jereme

[mightyteegar]

mhancoc7, I know you've gotten a thousand suggestions for hosting already in this thread, but I strongly urge you to check out Webnet77 (http://www.webnet77.com). I've used them in the past for a number of projects. These folks are serious computer nerds with serious Christianity in their hearts. :) Their tech support is among the fastest and most knowledgeable I have ever worked with (Christian or otherwise), and they can give you vast amounts of hosting space and bandwith for a reasonable price. (Sorry if I sound like a shill here -- I'm not being paid for this, I promise!)

I have some distro suggestions for you as well. I apologize if these have already been posted -- I read about 14 pages of the thread and decided to be lazy and skip to my own reply.

1. Make sure a spreadsheet app, presentation app and email client are not only pre-installed, but easy to locate and get started using. When I set up my girlfriend's (a complete Linux newbie) user account on my Ubuntu box, I put icons on her desktop for her common tasks. She may not know what OpenOffice is, but she surely knows what a "word processor" does. That helped her out greatly.

2. Install Firefox with a set of Christian web links already bookmarked.

3. Provide a folder with a collection of Christian-themed wallpaper-sized images in it.

4. See if you can include a significant Christian clip-art collection for use with newsletters, flyers, presentations, etc. This might be more valuable than one would initially think.

5. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, but you might consider contacting Christian record labels and artists and asking them if they would permit you to include OGG (preferably, especially with MP3's licensing restrictions) or MP3 singles in your distro cost-free. That would be a huge score for you.

6. Is there NetNanny or CyberPatrol-esque software for Linux? If so, might want to consider it.

7. Maybe have a default Christian Firefox skin?

As for those who question why this project is "necessary":

1. Church administrators (clergy, pastors, etc.) will respond more warmly to a fellow Christian's effort to bring something like this into the world. Furthermore, they'll love the idea of free software and be more apt to promote it to their congregation. Promotion -> bigger userbase.

2. Church staff aren't usually techies, or even power users. They have work to do, so they need as rapid and painless a transition as possible. For these folks, installing software qualifies as a "pain."

3. As with point 1, everyday Christians will respond to a fellow Christian's effort to make their computing lives easier. We all know that installing software for such things is simple (hello, apt-get!), but to an uninitiated *nixer that can seem scary -- trust me, I work with people like this all the time. "What? Synaptic? Yikes, this is weird...'Repositories?' Erm..." And so on. A distro like this has a "cool" factor to it because all the hard work has already been done for them.

Beyond these, though, in the end the idea is to help all of them use their computers as tools to carry out the day-to-day tasks associated with Christian faith. This is a highly noble effort, and I applaud mhancoc7 for undertaking it. If it doesn't agree with you, don't use it.

[Lord Illidan]

4. See if you can include a significant Christian clip-art collection for use with newsletters, flyers, presentations, etc. This might be more valuable than one would initially think.

5. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, but you might consider contacting Christian record labels and artists and asking them if they would permit you to include OGG (preferably, especially with MP3's licensing restrictions) or MP3 singles in your distro cost-free. That would be a huge score for you.

Good ideas these are...=P~

[mhancoc7]

mhancoc7, I know you've gotten a thousand suggestions for hosting already in this thread, but I strongly urge you to check out Webnet77 (http://www.webnet77.com). I've used them in the past for a number of projects. These folks are serious computer nerds with serious Christianity in their hearts. :) Their tech support is among the fastest and most knowledgeable I have ever worked with (Christian or otherwise), and they can give you vast amounts of hosting space and bandwith for a reasonable price. (Sorry if I sound like a shill here -- I'm not being paid for this, I promise!)

I have some distro suggestions for you as well. I apologize if these have already been posted -- I read about 14 pages of the thread and decided to be lazy and skip to my own reply.

1. Make sure a spreadsheet app, presentation app and email client are not only pre-installed, but easy to locate and get started using. When I set up my girlfriend's (a complete Linux newbie) user account on my Ubuntu box, I put icons on her desktop for her common tasks. She may not know what OpenOffice is, but she surely knows what a "word processor" does. That helped her out greatly.

2. Install Firefox with a set of Christian web links already bookmarked.

3. Provide a folder with a collection of Christian-themed wallpaper-sized images in it.

4. See if you can include a significant Christian clip-art collection for use with newsletters, flyers, presentations, etc. This might be more valuable than one would initially think.

5. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, but you might consider contacting Christian record labels and artists and asking them if they would permit you to include OGG (preferably, especially with MP3's licensing restrictions) or MP3 singles in your distro cost-free. That would be a huge score for you.

6. Is there NetNanny or CyberPatrol-esque software for Linux? If so, might want to consider it.

7. Maybe have a default Christian Firefox skin?

As for those who question why this project is "necessary":

1. Church administrators (clergy, pastors, etc.) will respond more warmly to a fellow Christian's effort to bring something like this into the world. Furthermore, they'll love the idea of free software and be more apt to promote it to their congregation. Promotion -> bigger userbase.

2. Church staff aren't usually techies, or even power users. They have work to do, so they need as rapid and painless a transition as possible. For these folks, installing software qualifies as a "pain."

3. As with point 1, everyday Christians will respond to a fellow Christian's effort to make their computing lives easier. We all know that installing software for such things is simple (hello, apt-get!), but to an uninitiated *nixer that can seem scary -- trust me, I work with people like this all the time. "What? Synaptic? Yikes, this is weird...'Repositories?' Erm..." And so on. A distro like this has a "cool" factor to it because all the hard work has already been done for them.

Beyond these, though, in the end the idea is to help all of them use their computers as tools to carry out the day-to-day tasks associated with Christian faith. This is a highly noble effort, and I applaud mhancoc7 for undertaking it. If it doesn't agree with you, don't use it.

Thanks for the excellent suggestions. Some have been suggested before, but many have not. I particularly like the idea of including the ogg/mp3 files. My biggest obstacle at this point is fitting it all on a single CD.

I am almost finished with what will be v1.1 (the second release). It will include more GnomeSword modules including the only available Catholic Bible for GnomeSword. It will also include Dansguardian Web Content filtering pre-installed and configured to a moderately restrictive setting.

I had to remove two of the packages that come with the default Ubuntu. They are Ekiga Softphone and the default Gnome Games. I felt like this were the best to go with. I considered replacing OpenOffice with Abiword since this would give me much more room to grow, but I think the lose of a complete Micro$oft Office replacement would be too great. I plan to try and squeeze in some Christian Wallpapers as well as the Firefox bookmarks if at all possible.

I have also had a difficult time with adding things to the Desktop. The permission settings get a little hard to deal with there.

The next release will also include two scripts. One for users of the first release of Ubuntu Christian Edition to upgrade to the latest version, and the other for users of the default Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake to "convert" to Ubuntu Christian Edition.

Well anyway thank you for your comments and suggestions.

God Bless, Jereme

[mhancoc7]

mightyteegar,


I just noticed that your post to my thread was your first. Cool!:D

Jereme

[OneSeventeen]

I haven't read enough of this thread, so I'll be the annoying guy making suggestions and asking questions that have been answered ten times over...

A friend and I are working on a Christian Themed Open Source community, the site isn't up yet, but we do have some forums, if this idea could be mirrored there it would be an awesome addition to the site!!

http://forums.churchforge.net/
(preferrably in the projects section)

Anyway, I would gladly host this on my website until I run out of bandwidth (I could support about 570 downloads a month, and I could also mirror it on another site adding another 500 downloads a month). Not to mention if we added it to churchforge.net, which would be yet another 400 downloads a month (have to save some of that bandwidth for when we host other projects)

I am also working on some software to allow churches to create dynamic sites... kind of like a church-specific CMS, possibly with a standalone app to manage it while automatically generating bullitens and stuff like that. (still in the concept phase, unfortunately)

I'd also include some apps that will make it easy to subscribe to church service podcasts. If it ICTUS (edit:Ubuntu Christian Edition) got popular enough, maybe even start pushing .ogg podcasts (shorter downloads with higher quality)

Just a couple of thoughts... I wanted to be sure and get in on this early, I'll probably review it on the geekons podcast (http://www.geekons.com) when I get to play with the next release.

[mhancoc7]

I haven't read enough of this thread, so I'll be the annoying guy making suggestions and asking questions that have been answered ten times over...

A friend and I are working on a Christian Themed Open Source community, the site isn't up yet, but we do have some forums, if this idea could be mirrored there it would be an awesome addition to the site!!

http://forums.churchforge.net/
(preferrably in the projects section)

Anyway, I would gladly host this on my website until I run out of bandwidth (I could support about 570 downloads a month, and I could also mirror it on another site adding another 500 downloads a month). Not to mention if we added it to churchforge.net, which would be yet another 400 downloads a month (have to save some of that bandwidth for when we host other projects)

I am also working on some software to allow churches to create dynamic sites... kind of like a church-specific CMS, possibly with a standalone app to manage it while automatically generating bullitens and stuff like that. (still in the concept phase, unfortunately)

I'd also include some apps that will make it easy to subscribe to church service podcasts. If it ICTUS got popular enough, maybe even start pushing .ogg podcasts (shorter downloads with higher quality)

Just a couple of thoughts... I wanted to be sure and get in on this early, I'll probably review it on the geekons podcast (http://www.geekons.com) when it gets done!

That all sounds great. I really appreciate it. When you get a chance PM me and we can discuss it further.

Just so you know the name of the project is Ubuntu Christian Edition and not ICTUS. ICTUS was an excellent suggestion by another forum member. There are many reasons why I am staying with the current name. I just wanted to let you know so if you do a review which would be AWESOME!!

I am not sure that this will ever be "done", but the next release will be a very good step in the right direction. It will not be packed with everything under the sun for Christians, but the addition of Dansguardian Web Content filtering is a huge plus in my opinion.

Thanks again, and I will look forward to you PM, Jereme:D

[OneSeventeen]

That all sounds great. I really appreciate it. When you get a chance PM me and we can discuss it further.

Just so you know the name of the project is Ubuntu Christian Edition and not ICTUS. ICTUS was an excellent suggestion by another forum member. There are many reasons why I am staying with the current name. I just wanted to let you know so if you do a review which would be AWESOME!!

I am not sure that this will ever be "done", but the next release will be a very good step in the right direction. It will not be packed with everything under the sun for Christians, but the addition of Dansguardian Web Content filtering is a huge plus in my opinion.

Thanks again, and I will look forward to you PM, Jereme:D

Yeah, I just modified my post when I read more into it... I like "Ubuntu Christian Edition" much better, simply because it is obvious what it is to new users. (although ICTUS was insanely clever!) I haven't tried Dansguardian, but I'm trying to work with my church's "web servants" to come up with some easily distributable web content filtering, and distributing UCE at the Church might be a step in a very good direction!

Oh, and yes, I've PM'ed you.

[leetcharmer]

has anyone considered creating a script similar to Automatix to automatically install the same software and themes to a system with Ubuntu already installed on it? I suggest that there should be both, a distro, and a script for those who don't feel the required need of reformatting to install from scratch again.

Automatix is GPL'd -- so, this shouldn't be too hard :D

[mhancoc7]

has anyone considered creating a script similar to Automatix to automatically install the same software and themes to a system with Ubuntu already installed on it? I suggest that there should be both, a distro, and a script for those who don't feel the required need of reformatting to install from scratch again.

Automatix is GPL'd -- so, this shouldn't be too hard :D

Yes, I am testing what will be the next release now. It will include the full .iso for those just starting, a script for those who want to "upgrade" from v1.0, and a script for those already using default Ubuntu who want to "convert" to Ubuntu Christian Edition.

Thanks, Jereme

[Iandefor]

@Mhancoc7:

Regarding that .deb for gnomesword modules I was going to make- I'm on it. Expect a .deb soon.

[mhancoc7]

@Mhancoc7:

Regarding that .deb for gnomesword modules I was going to make- I'm on it. Expect a .deb soon.

Great!

I have been meaning to PM you. The deb you uploaded before did not want to install. I even tried to install it on my system and it failed to. I have actually found a way to manually add modules during the iso build. It would be nice to have a deb package that would install multiple modules, but if not at least I have a way to do it.:D

Thanks for your work on this.

Jereme

[mhancoc7]

Hi all,

We have just launched our Ubuntu Christian Edition Development Forum (http://forums.churchforge.net/viewforum.php?f=15). It is actually an area of the ChurchForge.net (http://www.churchforge.net) Forum. The area was provided by OneSeventeen (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=16963), a member of this forum.

I had hoped that we could eventually get an area on this forum, but I am afraid that would cause way to much controversy. I still plan on following this thread and posting new ones concerning the Ubuntu Christian Edition project. We just need a place that we could centralize ideas and suggestions for the project.

Thanks, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

I will make you some Ubuntu - Christian Edition userbars. :)

See the Ubuntu ones I made here...

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200456

[mhancoc7]

I will make you some Ubuntu - Christian Edition userbars. :)

See the Ubuntu ones I made here...

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200456




Awesome!! Thank you. I will add you to our Team Members list for contributing artwork. What name would you like me to use? Or if you would prefer not to be listed just let me know. It will not offend me, I just want to give credit where credit is due.:D

I assume "userbars" are used for signiture blocks. Is that correct?

God Bless, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

Awesome!! Thank you. I will add you to our Team Members list for contributing artwork. What name would you like me to use? Or if you would prefer not to be listed just let me know. It will not offend me, I just want to give credit where credit is due.:D

I assume "userbars" are used for signiture blocks. Is that correct?

God Bless, Jereme
Hello Jereme,

You are welcome... I will make them later and then post them here. Is there a special one you would like? I will try to make one in an Ubuntu brown too. :) You can use James Rhodes (PenguinMan), and it won't offend me either as I am a Christian too.

Yes, you can use these userbars for forum signatures or e-mail signatures.

What else do you need help with for Ubuntu - Christian Edition?

Regards,
James

[PenguinMan]

Here they are! :) I hope you like them...

Animated:

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce1.gif
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce2.gif
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce3.gif

Static:

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce1.png
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce2.png
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce3.png

[mhancoc7]

Hello Jereme,

You are welcome... I will make them later and then post them here. Is there a special one you would like? I will try to make one in an Ubuntu brown too. :) You can use James Rhodes (PenguinMan), and it won't offend me either as I am a Christian too.

Yes, you can use these userbars for forum signatures or e-mail signatures.

What else do you need help with for Ubuntu - Christian Edition?

Regards,
James

Awesome!! Thanks!!

I could really use some help with coming up with what will be the default wallpaper. I want something that will fit in nicely with the default look of Ubuntu. I want it to be simple, but really polished. If you have any suggestions please let me know.

Here they are! :) I hope you like them...

Animated:

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce1.gif
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce2.gif
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce3.gif

Static:

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce1.png
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce2.png
http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/userbar-ubuntu-ce3.png


You ROCK!! They are great!! Thank you so much. Jereme

[RAV TUX]

I could really use some help with coming up with what will be the default wallpaper. I want something that will fit in nicely with the default look of Ubuntu. I want it to be simple, but really polished. If you have any suggestions please let me know.





Jereme, I like your new avatar. Maybe you could incorporate that into your wallpaper.

[mhancoc7]

Jereme, I like your new avatar. Maybe you could incorporate that into your wallpaper.

Thanks. That's a good idea. I will havt to see what I can come up with.
Jereme

[PenguinMan]

Awesome!! Thanks!!
You ROCK!! They are great!! Thank you so much. Jereme

I got a perfect idea for an "ubuntu-christian edition" logo. My artistic skills are not that good, so you will have to bear with me. Here is my crude idea... The purple represents wine - the blood of Christ. The three crosses represent the Holy Trinity - God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and also the three crosses at Calvary. Not too bad... The crosses should be in black to signify the sacrifice the Lord gave to us. I don't know... LOL What do you think?

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/UbuntuLogo-CE.png

[simon_is_learning]

Im also christian and i have woundered why it has taken so long time for someone to do this, i salute you!

Well, I just couldnt help it, so i designed a logo (just for fun) but here it is:

[mhancoc7]

I got a perfect idea for an "ubuntu-christian edition" logo. My artistic skills are not that good, so you will have to bear with me. Here is my crude idea... The purple represents wine - the blood of Christ. The three crosses represent the Holy Trinity - God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and also the three crosses at Calvary. Not too bad... The crosses should be in black to signify the sacrifice the Lord gave to us. I don't know... LOL What do you think?

http://www.seascape.us/ubuntu/UbuntuLogo-CE.png

Im also christian and i have woundered why it has taken so long time for someone to do this, i salute you!

Well, I just couldnt help it, so i designed a logo (just for fun) but here it is:


=D> I applaud both of you for great ideas. I really like them both. Unfortunately one of the conditions that Canonical has given me regarding the project is that I can't change the logo. It actually suits me since it will make it easier to update and maintain the iso.

I am collecting all of the proposed artwork whether or not I can use them or not. That way if things change I will have them for reference. I may also create an area to display them on the site.

Anyway thank you both for your interest and support.

God Bless, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

=D> I applaud both of you for great ideas. I really like them both. Unfortunately one of the conditions that Canonical has given me regarding the project is that I can't change the logo. It actually suits me since it will make it easier to update and maintain the iso.

I am collecting all of the proposed artwork whether or not I can use them or not. That way if things change I will have them for reference. I may also create an area to display them on the site.

Anyway thank you both for your interest and support.

God Bless, Jereme
I think Canonical should allow you to make a different logo, because it is not the regular flavour of Ubuntu.

[mhancoc7]

I think Canonical should allow you to make a different logo, because it is not the regular flavour of Ubuntu.

I agree. I would alos love to have a forum area here for the project, but that is very unlikely. Since my goal was to stay very close to the look and feel of the default Ubuntu it is kinda fine with me though. I really love Ubuntu and think it would make an excellent option for churches and individual Christians as well.

Thanks, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

I agree. I would alos love to have a forum area here for the project, but that is very unlikely. Since my goal was to stay very close to the look and feel of the default Ubuntu it is kinda fine with me though. I really love Ubuntu and think it would make an excellent option for churches and individual Christians as well.

Thanks, Jereme

You could change the whole look of the christian edition to be a winey, purple-like look throughout. Combined with my logo idea, there would be something unique.

[mips]

I think Canonical should allow you to make a different logo, because it is not the regular flavour of Ubuntu.

Uhm, it's their trademark, if you want to use the name then you have to abide by their rules. if you drop the name Ubuntu out of the distro you can use any logo you please.

[shane2peru]

I would be carefull editing the themes too much. You will lose the Ubuntu look, also you will start to limit your fields. I know that "Christian" includes a very large group, and if you start to paint Ubuntu a Catholic color (just using them for an example), you will lose others, and visa versa. - By no means am I trying to start a debate, I just think the playing field needs to be left at "Christian". I'm a devout believer, and could really draw some lines here, but for the sake of not dividing the project I won't. I really like the project, and it is a GREAT EFFORT AND WORK.

Shane

[bluesaze]

Hello there. I came here after I read about this on DIGG. I am Web Designer and Developer (also a christian). Recently I finished developing a friend's Church Website. If you want I can design a better looking website for you for free.

A suggestion, why dont you host the Christian Ubuntu on a sub domain. example http://Ubuntu.whatwouldjesusdownload.com it would be easier for people.

I think you can go in for a better User interface if we could customise ubuntu to the following tutorial http://www.taimila.com/ubuntuosx.php and distribute it since I think Mac os x look is more appealing to people but thats just my personal opinion since I am not a big Fan of the Ubuntu Orange Look.

Please send me a PM if you would like the website designed.

[mhancoc7]

Hello there. I came here after I read about this on DIGG. I am Web Designer and Developer (also a christian). Recently I finished developing a friend's Church Website. If you want I can design a better looking website for you for free.

A suggestion, why dont you host the Christian Ubuntu on a sub domain. example http://Ubuntu.whatwouldjesusdownload.com it would be easier for people.

I think you can go in for a better User interface if we could customise ubuntu to the following tutorial http://www.taimila.com/ubuntuosx.php and distribute it since I think Mac os x look is more appealing to people but thats just my personal opinion since I am not a big Fan of the Ubuntu Orange Look.

Please send me a PM if you would like the website designed.

Hi bluesaze,
I appreciate your interest in this project. It is an awesome offer of you. For now I think we will stay with the current design. I want the site to be similiar to the design of www.ubuntu.com (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and the Ubuntu forums, www.ubuntuforums.org. (http://www.ubuntuforums.org./) I think it fits quite nicely with them. Canonical did ask me to make some changes to distinguish it a bit better.

I also do not plan to make any major changes to the default Ubuntu look or setup. The goal behind this project was never to completely deviate from the default Ubuntu. I mainly wanted to draw more Ubuntu users from the Christian demographic.

The one piece of artwork that I really want to get settled on is a default wallpaper for the next release. I want it to fit in with the default look and feel of Ubuntu, but with a subtle Christian touch.

The url is www.ChristianUbuntu.com. (http://www.christianubuntu.com./) It is redirected to the site. I am actually using a "very" customized and tweak blog for the site. In fact it is two blogs. I like the setup because it is very easy for me to make changes and additions. My main focus is on the next release for now anyway.

Thank you again for your suggestions and offer.

God Bless, Jereme

[forrestcupp]

You could change the whole look of the christian edition to be a winey, purple-like look throughout. Combined with my logo idea, there would be something unique.

That much purple would be very distracting.

[electrosoccertux]

For serving the ISO, I'd go the torrent route. Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at least that way nobody has to "serve" all that bandwidth.

I don't really want a "Christian" Linux distribution as you put it, as your project is taking current programs away and replacing them with Bible programs. There's nothing wrong with Bible programs, but the whole point of getting people on Linux is to get them to see they don't need their Windows anymore. After this Christian Ubuntu (Jesubuntu? Jehobuntu? lol :), they will still need their Windows. Unless that is you are removing programs nobody needs, or have some other caveate that makes this worthwhile. If so then disregard what I've said, just my opinion that isn't worth much seeing as I haven't read more than the first page of this post.

Most computers have enough HDD space to do both Ubuntu and any Christian programs. Perhaps a tar with an install script and all the other tars of the programs you would like to include? This would reduce bandwidth required to distribute this distrubution, and would ensure nobody gets angry because [insert application here] was removed from Jesubuntu.

[mhancoc7]

For serving the ISO, I'd go the torrent route. Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at least that way nobody has to "serve" all that bandwidth.

I don't really want a "Christian" Linux distribution as you put it, as your project is taking current programs away and replacing them with Bible programs. There's nothing wrong with Bible programs, but the whole point of getting people on Linux is to get them to see they don't need their Windows anymore. After this Christian Ubuntu (Jesubuntu? Jehobuntu? lol :), they will still need their Windows. Unless that is you are removing programs nobody needs, or have some other caveate that makes this worthwhile. If so then disregard what I've said, just my opinion that isn't worth much seeing as I haven't read more than the first page of this post.

Most computers have enough HDD space to do both Ubuntu and any Christian programs. Perhaps a tar with an install script and all the other tars of the programs you would like to include? This would reduce bandwidth required to distribute this distrubution, and would ensure nobody gets angry because [insert application here] was removed from Jesubuntu.

Hi, thanks for your input.

The torrent route has been mentioned. Since Oklahoma Christian University has donated bandwith and server space, I have really focused my attention on the next release. I may revisit the torrent idea later though.

The first release only removed the "Example Content" This gave me just enough room to GnomeSword with modules. The first release was geared towards stability and less trying to pack it full.

I don't plan on removing any applications that are vital. For instance it would make it easier for me to replace OpenOffice with Abiword. This would give me a lot of space to work with. However, I think that would be an injustice to the end user. I will have to remove some packages though. Any packages I do remove will be fully disclosed and instructions or an install script will be provided.

I have also put together some scripts for the next release. One to upgrade to the next release, and one to "convert" for those who are using the default Ubuntu.

My current plan for the iso is to select the packages that will be included on the LiveCd, and make the minor graphical modifications. This will be the full Ubuntu Christian Edition. It will update along with Ubuntu. So when Edgy is released so will the next version of Ubuntu Christian Edition. I will then provide scripts to "super charge" Ubuntu Christian Edition. I plan to gear some to Church Administration, and some to individuals.

I hope that all made sense.

Thanks, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

Hello there. I came here after I read about this on DIGG. I am Web Designer and Developer (also a christian). Recently I finished developing a friend's Church Website. If you want I can design a better looking website for you for free.

A suggestion, why dont you host the Christian Ubuntu on a sub domain. example http://Ubuntu.whatwouldjesusdownload.com it would be easier for people.

I think you can go in for a better User interface if we could customise ubuntu to the following tutorial http://www.taimila.com/ubuntuosx.php and distribute it since I think Mac os x look is more appealing to people but thats just my personal opinion since I am not a big Fan of the Ubuntu Orange Look.

Please send me a PM if you would like the website designed.
Very cool, Sir! :)

[PenguinMan]

That much purple would be very distracting.
Purple is nice... :)

[neighborlee]

its too bad that the IRC channel is such a biggoted and irrational place..I hope that you take time to disect what some of your OP's are doing..and yes I have logs to PROVE it if you wish..showing how nasty things got in the IRC chat.

I suggest fixing this as otherwise it will tarnish an otherwise good attempt.

cheers
g.leej (nl)

[philipacamaniac]

Check out some thoughts I put down about a "Chubuntu" (church ubuntu) for small and poor churches. Free software is their only legal avenue, and Ubuntu is the best candidate there. My idea was to create a metapackage (much like the Xubuntu originally did) which would install any extra software that's required for churches.

Right now the brain dump is on my Wiki user page (if anyone else thinks it is interesting, I'll move it and create a whole separate page).

http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilipCain

On the other hand, distributing a single CD of the full desktop Ubuntu, minus some default apps to make room for church apps, probably isn't the best way to go about it. I like the idea of putting the metapackage and its dependencies on a separate CD (and web archive) that can be added to any installation of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu or Xubuntu.

[NewWaves]

sigh... why must we put religion into this whole thing? let them install these programs after they choose what they want...

[Redcard]

We've already had this discussion. Please leave, NewWaves. This topic is about the technical issues in the design of this release.

[steveneddy]

Could we get a list, maybe on the web site, that would highlight the particular programs that have a Christian theme that we that have already installed Ubuntu, may install ourselves?

I detailed list would be wonderful.

Thanks for the good works.

-SE

[Aike]

Do you intend to create a new irc channel or fix the old one? I would like that.

[mhancoc7]

Do you intend to create a new irc channel or fix the old one? I would like that.

Well, I am not planning to create another one for now. Things got real bad on the last one. I just don't think it is worth the risk and effort.
Thanks, Jereme

[secdroid]

Suggestions:

On page
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/forum.html
the link "Ubuntu Web Forum (English)" points to page
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

Might it not be better to point this link to
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218724

You might also consider changing the link text
-- from --
Ubuntu Web Forum (English)
-- to --
Ubuntu "Christian Edition" [technical discussion]
in order to avoid confusion.

Another thought -- your site sells several different articles to support the project. One article is randomly displayed on each page view.

However, it is not obvious what all of the choices are. It might help if you indicated that the complete list of articles is available at http://www.cafepress.com/wwjdwordwear/1660003 or provide some other way to indicate the options to the viewer of the page.

Best of luck with your project.

Doug Z.

[mhancoc7]

Suggestions:

On page
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/forum.html
the link "Ubuntu Web Forum (English)" points to page
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

Might it not be better to point this link to
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218724

You might also consider changing the link text
-- from --
Ubuntu Web Forum (English)
-- to --
Ubuntu "Christian Edition" [technical discussion]
in order to avoid confusion.

Another thought -- your site sells several different articles to support the project. One article is randomly displayed on each page view.

However, it is not obvious what all of the choices are. It might help if you indicated that the complete list of articles is available at http://www.cafepress.com/wwjdwordwear/1660003 or provide some other way to indicate the options to the viewer of the page.

Best of luck with your project.

Doug Z.

Thanks for the suggestion Doug.

I put the link to the main forums because Ubuntu CE is based directly from Ubuntu so their best bet for support is the forums. I have started a Ubuntu Christian Edition Development (http://forums.churchforge.net/index.php?c=7) forum at Churchforge.net (http://forums.churchforge.net). It is also listed on the Forum pages of the project site. It is supposed to take the place of this thead.

The cafepress idea is a good one. I never really thought about it.
Thanks, Jereme

[Lord Illidan]

I blogged about this project, mhancoc7, I hope you like it...Do tell me if you have any suggestions : www.lordillidan.wordpress.com

[codypumper]

Here are a few comments on the IRC channel;

First, #christian-ubuntu is now the IRC channel.
Second, I will have a bot (Cbot) in the room, whom should be the only OP,
therefore hopefully stopping the incident which happened last time.
Thirdly, "neighborlee" please PM me these logs.

I was on vacation, but I'm back now and plan to take more care of the IRC channel. If the bot goes down, which will inevitably happen occasionally, I apologize. If anyone has a server they can run a bot on please contact me.

Thanks.

[Iandefor]

Okay, so I can get the .deb for GNOMESword modules to generate, but it looks like it won't work. I hate to do this, but if there's no particular need for these modules (ie, you can get them preinstalled using UCK), do you mind if I just tick that off my list of things to do?

[mhancoc7]

I blogged about this project, mhancoc7, I hope you like it...Do tell me if you have any suggestions : www.lordillidan.wordpress.com (http://www.lordillidan.wordpress.com)

You ROCK!! I really appreciate that. It is nice to see that someone gets what I am trying to do. :D

Here are a few comments on the IRC channel;

First, #christian-ubuntu is now the IRC channel.
Second, I will have a bot (Cbot) in the room, whom should be the only OP,
therefore hopefully stopping the incident which happened last time.
Thirdly, "neighborlee" please PM me these logs.

I was on vacation, but I'm back now and plan to take more care of the IRC channel. If the bot goes down, which will inevitably happen occasionally, I apologize. If anyone has a server they can run a bot on please contact me.

Thanks.

Hi, and thanks for your work. I am not real familiar with IRC channels. Do you think it is safe to add it back to the project site? I am a little hesitant because of what happened before. I hope we can get it working and keep it clean. It seems like an excellent resource to have. I would also like to see the logs from the incident.

Okay, so I can get the .deb for GNOMESword modules to generate, but it looks like it won't work. I hate to do this, but if there's no particular need for these modules (ie, you can get them preinstalled using UCK), do you mind if I just tick that off my list of things to do?

Yes, absolutely. I appreciate your hardwork on the deb package. I have got the install of the modules working great. I am running into another problem now. Dansguardian installs fine and works great from the LiveCD, but it causes the installer to crash. I am pondering the thought of having Dansguardian be one of those "power scripts" that I am working on since I know that I am going to have to have those as well since I am quickly running out of space on a CD. :D

God Bless, Jereme

[codypumper]

mhancoc7, I wouldn't add it to the projects page untill a few people are using it or I figure out how to host the bot on someone's server.

[mhancoc7]

mhancoc7, I wouldn't add it to the projects page untill a few people are using it or I figure out how to host the bot on someone's server.

Thanks, just keep me posted.
Jereme

[CaptainTux]

I am trying to remember the last time I read an entire thread that was longer than 5 pages in one sitting. You have done a very good job with your first effort here. You have also furthered Ubuntu's own mission.

The Ubuntu community is built on the ideas enshrined in the Ubuntu Philosophy: that software should be available free of charge, that software tools should be usable by people in their local language and despite any disabilities, and that people should have the freedom to customise and alter their software in whatever way they see fit.

These freedoms make Ubuntu fundamentally different from traditional proprietary software: not only are the tools you need available free of charge, you have the right to modify your software until it works the way you want it to.

Sometimes we forget that newbies look at computers differently than we do. Now, add certain unique aspects of the church in the mix, and you have a "tough sell". Why have Xubuntu, Edubuntu, KUbuntu, Ubuntu Christian Edition...etc etc etc. I mean you can easily install it yourself, right? Look, people are used to buying a program off the shelf at Best Buy and popping it in and having InstallShield do all the work. CNR is providing a great service in that regard and Synaptic gets better every day. However, this is still not intuitive to people. The other aspect is free beer that turns out to be pirated beer is a problem...not just in churches, but everywhere. I think it is a big hindrance to The GIMP. People will look at me and say...Not as good as Photoshop. They have Phototshop in their HD, but I only have 2 friends that actually PAID for Photoshop.

Many churches rely on "computer guy". Getting to be computer guy usually means being the first one to get there who can turn one on. Many of these people...with no ill intent...just an ignorance of licensing and IP issues...pop in copies of whatever they have at home. Many churches cannot take advantage of the MS licensing reduction for educational groups and not for profits because getting a 501c3 can be expensive and arduous.

The churches are used to buying pews, hymnals, and Bibles from Christian based companies. This has extended to software as well. This may sound silly to some, but when I was right out of college I was running car washes for Turtle Wax. We used Car Watch Software to run our washes.

When I was in the Seminary in 1989-1992 we had a computer lab in our small school and a teacher that understood how to make the best use of limited tools. He had us run a mock church using Works. To this day, I run my business mostly using OOo. If you can master a good spreadsheet, you can pretty much do whatever you want. However, people do not see things like that.

You give an offering that has Bible study tools, a lyric projection program like Lyricue, and a Church Database System and you have something.

I am a member of The Freely Project. We try to assemble Linux and FOSS savvy professionals to donate their time to churches to get them away from unlicensed software, get them into libre software, and show them how to use it in such a way that there now only making better use of money, but time as well. This is something that even Richard Stallman supports and applauds.

Add a few more pieces of software here and you have something that groups like the one I belong to can use to get more Linux users out there. It also helps fulfill Ubuntu's very own mission.

Well done!

[mhancoc7]

I am trying to remember the last time I read an entire thread that was longer than 5 pages in one sitting. You have done a very good job with your first effort here. You have also furthered Ubuntu's own mission.



Sometimes we forget that newbies look at computers differently than we do. Now, add certain unique aspects of the church in the mix, and you have a "tough sell". Why have Xubuntu, Edubuntu, KUbuntu, Ubuntu Christian Edition...etc etc etc. I mean you can easily install it yourself, right? Look, people are used to buying a program off the shelf at Best Buy and popping it in and having InstallShield do all the work. CNR is providing a great service in that regard and Synaptic gets better every day. However, this is still not intuitive to people. The other aspect is free beer that turns out to be pirated beer is a problem...not just in churches, but everywhere. I think it is a big hindrance to The GIMP. People will look at me and say...Not as good as Photoshop. They have Phototshop in their HD, but I only have 2 friends that actually PAID for Photoshop.

Many churches rely on "computer guy". Getting to be computer guy usually means being the first one to get there who can turn one on. Many of these people...with no ill intent...just an ignorance of licensing and IP issues...pop in copies of whatever they have at home. Many churches cannot take advantage of the MS licensing reduction for educational groups and not for profits because getting a 501c3 can be expensive and arduous.

The churches are used to buying pews, hymnals, and Bibles from Christian based companies. This has extended to software as well. This may sound silly to some, but when I was right out of college I was running car washes for Turtle Wax. We used Car Watch Software to run our washes.

When I was in the Seminary in 1989-1992 we had a computer lab in our small school and a teacher that understood how to make the best use of limited tools. He had us run a mock church using Works. To this day, I run my business mostly using OOo. If you can master a good spreadsheet, you can pretty much do whatever you want. However, people do not see things like that.

You give an offering that has Bible study tools, a lyric projection program like Lyricue, and a Church Database System and you have something.

I am a member of The Freely Project. We try to assemble Linux and FOSS savvy professionals to donate their time to churches to get them away from unlicensed software, get them into libre software, and show them how to use it in such a way that there now only making better use of money, but time as well. This is something that even Richard Stallman supports and applauds.

Add a few more pieces of software here and you have something that groups like the one I belong to can use to get more Linux users out there. It also helps fulfill Ubuntu's very own mission.

Well done!

Well said CaptainTux.

I will be emailing you to discuss things. I have just been trying to keep my head above water with all the attention that this has gotten.

I am trying to get Dansguardian web content filtering installed for the next release. I am running into to some problems with it though.

I hope to get the next release to a point that it can be the base Ubuntu CE. Then I will begin to provide scripts to "super charge" it. I can only fit so much on the LiveCD and I do not want to remove too much from the default Ubuntu.

Well anyway thanks, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

Many churches cannot take advantage of the MS licensing reduction for educational groups and not for profits because getting a 501c3 can be expensive and arduous.

Hey Cap'n! :)

I don't know if you are aware of this, but there is no legal requirement for a church or religious ministry to ever have to apply for a 501c3 non-profit status in the United States. That "non-profit" status is already guaranteed by the IRS's own laws. It is a legal redundancy trap that churches have fallen into, and lawyers have helped push this in order to make more money. The churches think they need to apply for it, but in reality they don't have to at all. When a church applies for 501c3 status, they lose their right to ever criticise the government, etc. This is so wrong - I don't think any church should be subject to what politicians have to say in Washington, D.C.

[CaptainTux]

Good point, James. I am aware of that. Before the mods catch us going too far OT, I will slide this in speedy quick ;). Unfortunately, there are many software vendors that will not give the not or profit pricing if you are not a 501C3. The good news is, FOSS gives us an alternatives with out having to worry about such matters.:)

[CaptainTux]

Jereme,

You have my email addy. I am sure you will get to me when you have an opportunity.

[PenguinMan]

Good point, James. I am aware of that. Before the mods catch us going too far OT, I will slide this in speedy quick ;). Unfortunately, there are many software vendors that will not give the not or profit pricing if you are not a 501C3. The good news is, FOSS gives us an alternatives with out having to worry about such matters.:)
Very true... :) In reality, most churches would never need Microsoft Windows and its related programs. OpenOffice 2 does about everything I would ever need.

[fapapa]

Hey Jereme, very cool idea. I've always thought that open-source in general is a very Christian idea (or at least it fits in well with it). It's too bad more Christians aren't at the forefront of open-source.

Well, before I get off topic, I wanted to show a (very crude) potential logo that is both strongly Ubuntu-ish and strongly Christian (ie: the cross, the Trinity), as well as being simple, easily identifiable to the product, and reducable to b&w. In fact, this preliminary version is in black and white. Threw it together in 15 minutes (my first time using gimp).

I gave up reading this thread after the first 14 pages, so I don't know if you already have a definitive logo. Hopefully this is usefull to this project.

I'd be happy to do further work on it if you think it has potential.

[Lord Illidan]

The Logo cannot be modified from the original Ubuntu Logo.

[Redcard]

A lot of people seem to be modifiying the logo. So, you logo modifiers, I'm sorry, but the Ubuntu trademark license says that Ubuntu CE can't change the logo.

That said, though, it'd be good if we put you somewhere else. So.. here we go. The first psuedo derivitive project to keep you art types busy. Ubuntu CE needs backgrounds, splash screens (for GNOME) , login screens (for GDM), and a few other art type things. Perhaps you guys could start focusing on that?

Just on a whim, do remember the OpenClipart collection does contain some religious graphics.. that can get you started. Also remember that the ORIGINAL ubuntu logo cannot be modified, but there can be all kinds of artwork created that does not involve a logo at all.

So, art types, get creating :) It'd be very nice if this distribution could have a consistant look and feel all its own.

[mhancoc7]

Hey Jereme, very cool idea. I've always thought that open-source in general is a very Christian idea (or at least it fits in well with it). It's too bad more Christians aren't at the forefront of open-source.

Well, before I get off topic, I wanted to show a (very crude) potential logo that is both strongly Ubuntu-ish and strongly Christian (ie: the cross, the Trinity), as well as being simple, easily identifiable to the product, and reducable to b&w. In fact, this preliminary version is in black and white. Threw it together in 15 minutes (my first time using gimp).

I gave up reading this thread after the first 14 pages, so I don't know if you already have a definitive logo. Hopefully this is usefull to this project.

I'd be happy to do further work on it if you think it has potential.

Thanks, I have saved the logo to my ever growing collection. I like the concept a lot, but one of the guidelines that I have been given was to not change the logo.

A lot of people seem to be modifiying the logo. So, you logo modifiers, I'm sorry, but the Ubuntu trademark license says that Ubuntu CE can't change the logo.

That said, though, it'd be good if we put you somewhere else. So.. here we go. The first psuedo derivitive project to keep you art types busy. Ubuntu CE needs backgrounds, splash screens (for GNOME) , login screens (for GDM), and a few other art type things. Perhaps you guys could start focusing on that?

Just on a whim, do remember the OpenClipart collection does contain some religious graphics.. that can get you started. Also remember that the ORIGINAL ubuntu logo cannot be modified, but there can be all kinds of artwork created that does not involve a logo at all.

So, art types, get creating :) It'd be very nice if this distribution could have a consistant look and feel all its own.

You are right. I am hoping to get a distinctive look for the next release. I want it to be subtle, and it needs to fit nicely with the default look and feel of Ubuntu. I do not plan on changing the theme. I would like to get a splash screen, gdm, and wallpaper that all fit nicely together as well as with the Ubuntu look. I would also like a new usplash. I have not tested changing the usplash, however.

God Bless, Jereme

[themusicwave]

Hey I just wanted to say I read through most of this discussion(yeah that took awhile) and I like the idea. I'm also a Christian, and I can think of several people who I coudld give this to.

What I want to know is how can I help with the project. Specfically, I was wondering what apps might need to be created. I would probably have to write them in Java, since almost all of my previous programming was done in Windows and I have no idea how to write programs for Linux in most languages. Also, Java is my best language.

I'll look at the existing apps and see if I can think of anything that might need created. Also, any suggestions are fine. I would happily create anything from something tiny to a big project. I can't say I have a ton of experience(Going to be a senior in college), but I'd like to use my programming talents to help this effort and glorify God.

I would also be happy to work with others on an app or help out in other ways.

[mhancoc7]

Hey I just wanted to say I read through most of this discussion(yeah that took awhile) and I like the idea. I'm also a Christian, and I can think of several people who I coudld give this to.

What I want to know is how can I help with the project. Specfically, I was wondering what apps might need to be created. I would probably have to write them in Java, since almost all of my previous programming was done in Windows and I have no idea how to write programs for Linux in most languages. Also, Java is my best language.

I'll look at the existing apps and see if I can think of anything that might need created. Also, any suggestions are fine. I would happily create anything from something tiny to a big project. I can't say I have a ton of experience(Going to be a senior in college), but I'd like to use my programming talents to help this effort and glorify God.

I would also be happy to work with others on an app or help out in other ways.

WOW you read the whole thread. That is impressive.

Thank you so much for your willingness to help out. I would love to have some apps developed Ubuntu CE. The best place to bounce some ideas around about this is the Ubuntu Christian Edition Development Forum (http://forums.churchforge.net/index.php?c=7). Hope to see you there.

God Bless, Jereme

[themusicwave]

It's a slow day at work....

Anyways I created an account on the dev forum. It is awaiting approval.

We can discuss details there.

[mhancoc7]

It's a slow day at work....

Anyways I created an account on the dev forum. It is awaiting approval.

We can discuss details there.

Awesome!! :-D

[curuxz]

I have arived late on this one, mostly because I have not had the net for over a month, something that still wont be fixed for a week or so.

I have to honestly say what im thinking, I felt physicaly sick when I read the title of this thread and found out that a project like this had arived to Ubuntu. It sadens me greatly that in a modern world with so many great minds and so much inteligentece people can still have minds weak enough that they can be brainwashed by this crap. No offence to the guys making the project, though I expect you will take offence, but religion goes against the very spirit of free software. Free software and open software allow for freedom of expression, ideas and equal access to all and to misuse that banner of freespeach to promote and expand any ideoligy that dictates what people should think and how they should act is offensive in every way to me and I would hope many others.

I am deeply destressed that people would even think its appropriate to mix religon and ubuntu but to see so many messages of support is the saddest part of it. Yes i am aware this is the technical discussion, but this is a techincal point since this project will alienate many many more than it will invite.

I cant respond for another week to what im sure will be lots of critisim of my point of view, so any comments I will reply to on the 15th. If this project is serioulsly released and maintained I will personaly seek to level the playing feild.

BTW: as always appolgies for spelling, I am sevearly dyslexic and I did bother to try and check but probs failed :)

[mhancoc7]

I have arived late on this one, mostly because I have not had the net for over a month, something that still wont be fixed for a week or so.

I have to honestly say what im thinking, I felt physicaly sick when I read the title of this thread and found out that a project like this had arived to Ubuntu. It sadens me greatly that in a modern world with so many great minds and so much inteligentece people can still have minds weak enough that they can be brainwashed by this crap. No offence to the guys making the project, though I expect you will take offence, but religion goes against the very spirit of free software. Free software and open software allow for freedom of expression, ideas and equal access to all and to misuse that banner of freespeach to promote and expand any ideoligy that dictates what people should think and how they should act is offensive in every way to me and I would hope many others.

I am deeply destressed that people would even think its appropriate to mix religon and ubuntu but to see so many messages of support is the saddest part of it. Yes i am aware this is the technical discussion, but this is a techincal point since this project will alienate many many more than it will invite.

I cant respond for another week to what im sure will be lots of critisim of my point of view, so any comments I will reply to on the 15th. If this project is serioulsly released and maintained I will personaly seek to level the playing feild.

BTW: as always appolgies for spelling, I am sevearly dyslexic and I did bother to try and check but probs failed :)

There is a seperate thread for this type of rhetoric. It has been exhausted and the forum has collectively let it die.
Jereme

[Redcard]

The Logo cannot be modified from the original Ubuntu Logo.

I have arived late on this one, mostly because I have not had the net for over a month, something that still wont be fixed for a week or so.

I have to honestly say what im thinking, I felt physicaly sick when I read the title of this thread and found out that a project like this had arived to Ubuntu. It sadens me greatly that in a modern world with so many great minds and so much inteligentece people can still have minds weak enough that they can be brainwashed by this crap. No offence to the guys making the project, though I expect you will take offence, but religion goes against the very spirit of free software. Free software and open software allow for freedom of expression, ideas and equal access to all and to misuse that banner of freespeach to promote and expand any ideoligy that dictates what people should think and how they should act is offensive in every way to me and I would hope many others.

I am deeply destressed that people would even think its appropriate to mix religon and ubuntu but to see so many messages of support is the saddest part of it. Yes i am aware this is the technical discussion, but this is a techincal point since this project will alienate many many more than it will invite.

I cant respond for another week to what im sure will be lots of critisim of my point of view, so any comments I will reply to on the 15th. If this project is serioulsly released and maintained I will personaly seek to level the playing feild.

BTW: as always appolgies for spelling, I am sevearly dyslexic and I did bother to try and check but probs failed :)

What about your apologies for actually coming in and wasting our time with this?

Nobody is forcing you to read this thread, participate in this project, or like this idea. The fact that you went out of your way to write that nice long essay shows your hatefulness.

I am not a christian. I wouldn't ever go back to being one. I am a Buddhist, and am very happy as one.

But that said, this thread isn't about ME. It isn't about YOU. It's about a christian distribution of Ubuntu. By my being here and contributing, it means I understand the larger scope of Ubuntu's goal and purpose.. that is, to be Linux for Everyone.

What are you offering to Ubuntu?

[CaptainTux]

Here is some food for thought.

http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/04/14/1535251.shtml?tid=150

You will see Richard Stallman, an athiest, encouraging churches to use Free Software.

To keep this from straying, allow me to give you the pragmatic view on how niche distros help the larger picture.


In the quest for getting Linux into schools, we have Edubuntu and Linpsire and Novell are working with the state of Indiana.To make this happen in schools we need better administration tools for teachers, simplified network authentication, more intuitive GUI's, and better educational software.

Developers that are parents will be more attracted to such products...here is the question....can these more intuitive GUI's help the whole of Linux? Any improvement to GNOME and KDE is a win. Can enterprises use better authentication? Yes. Can central management tools for classrooms be adopted to attendance for retail stores, online scheduling, grading for performance reviews? Yep.

Now, one who is a church goer can develop database front ends for tracking attendance, volunteer involvement, tithes, health needs of kids in Sunday School, etc. These tools can be applied to many not for profits with little customization. Some of the tools for Sunday School can be used by traditional schools. Maybe they can be adapted for businesses.

The scratching of an itch by a developer meets the immediate need of a group, but can then be expanded to meet the needs of other groups. With FOSS, the opportunities to share the success in one niche can be easily adopted to another.

Heck, as this program develops, many of the tolls can be used easily by synagogues, mosks, etc.

Edubuntu was my first official entry to Ubunutu. Could I have just gotten Ubunutu and added the tools myself? Sure. But this was an out of the box experience that made it easier for me-as a lazy bum-have a tool for my daughter on an old G3 Apple laptop that did not do so hot with OS X.

Once the education people start using this flavor and the churches use another flavor at a level they are comfortable with...we draw them into the main mission of Ubuntu, FOSS, etc and get them away from niche forums and into the whole of the Bazaar. Their bug reports, improvements, needs, and even personalities make the whole better.

I want adoption of these tools. Schools, churches and not for profit charities are behind the curve in technology for the most part. If we elevate these groups to the forefront of technology, we have done a good thing and showed what community truly is.

[forrestcupp]

Will this CD include OpenLP?
http://openlp.org/en/

Hey, I know that this was posted a long time ago, but I just checked out this website. I was thinking from reading the features about how awesome this looks for displaying lyrics with a projector. Then I looked at the system requirements and saw that you have to have Windows and Directx. I did a search on their website for Linux and nothing came up. What a disappointment!

So does anyone know of a lyric presentation software for Linux other than Lyricue? Lyricue looks good, but from what I see, it doesn't support playing videos or multimedia, which I need.

[gothx]

Well... I am an atheist.... and correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't the ubuntu based on an humanist principle? well... guess that it ain't that much of a christian distro as much as a humanist... but hey, if you want to atract more people with a Christbuntu by brainwahsing them, hey, you're welcome.

[codypumper]

I found a page of christian apps for linux: http://www.raphink.info/christian-open-source-projects-on-sourceforge-pages-1-2

[Redcard]

You're wrong, gothx. The philosophy behind Ubuntu is this:

Our work on Ubuntu is driven by a philosophy on software freedom that we hope will spread and bring the benefits of software technology to all parts of the globe.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy
---------

Notice the part where it says this:

"Every computer user should have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, share, change and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees."

That includes Christians.

Ubuntu is NOT founded on the principles of atheism.

[nursegirl]

Can one of the mods move the most recent posts about religion to this thread (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219526) or another place in the backyard?

[CaptainTux]

Hey, I know that this was posted a long time ago, but I just checked out this website. I was thinking from reading the features about how awesome this looks for displaying lyrics with a projector. Then I looked at the system requirements and saw that you have to have Windows and Directx. I did a search on their website for Linux and nothing came up. What a disappointment!

So does anyone know of a lyric presentation software for Linux other than Lyricue? Lyricue looks good, but from what I see, it doesn't support playing videos or multimedia, which I need.

Lyriucue is the only one I am aware of, but there may be others. What about using kino or cinerella?

Here are some more links.

http://matheteuo.org/portal_05.php

[Iandefor]

I have arived late on this one, mostly because I have not had the net for over a month, something that still wont be fixed for a week or so.

I have to honestly say what im thinking, I felt physicaly sick when I read the title of this thread and found out that a project like this had arived to Ubuntu. It sadens me greatly that in a modern world with so many great minds and so much inteligentece people can still have minds weak enough that they can be brainwashed by this crap. No offence to the guys making the project, though I expect you will take offence, but religion goes against the very spirit of free software. Free software and open software allow for freedom of expression, ideas and equal access to all and to misuse that banner of freespeach to promote and expand any ideoligy that dictates what people should think and how they should act is offensive in every way to me and I would hope many others.

I am deeply destressed that people would even think its appropriate to mix religon and ubuntu but to see so many messages of support is the saddest part of it. Yes i am aware this is the technical discussion, but this is a techincal point since this project will alienate many many more than it will invite.

I cant respond for another week to what im sure will be lots of critisim of my point of view, so any comments I will reply to on the 15th. If this project is serioulsly released and maintained I will personaly seek to level the playing feild.

BTW: as always appolgies for spelling, I am sevearly dyslexic and I did bother to try and check but probs failed :) Okay, let's get a few things straight:


It is a marginal belief, and a poorly-supported one at that, that religion is harmful. In fact, multiple studies have shown that having spiritual beliefs/faith are beneficial to one's psychological and physical (!) well-being.
To believe that religion restricts people's free will is on the same order as believing Jesus could never have possibly waved aside Leviticus with little more than a "oh, those are the old rules." Historically (and common-sense wise), a person retains a religious belief only insofar as they like it. Well... I am an atheist.... and correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't the ubuntu based on an humanist principle? well... guess that it ain't that much of a christian distro as much as a humanist... but hey, if you want to atract more people with a Christbuntu by brainwahsing them, hey, you're welcome. Ubuntu is based off of a humanist principle, yes, but a traditionalist African one that preaches tolerance and acceptance, not "Religion is Teh Badz0rz!"

Both of these are off-topic and really should be deleted. If the respective authors are willing to take their complaints elsewhere, I'll let them stand. This was split off from the original for good reason.

[lxevolution]

Lol. I clearly do not understand why should one make differences in Ubuntu setups based on differences in religion. How about Ubuntu scientology edition? Make it proprietary, close the source, charge 400 dollars. per month.

[rattlerviper]

I'm not Christian...

But if a Christian edition of Ubuntu bothers you, seek mental help. I don't understand how it could possibly bother anyone. It's about freedom folks. If it bugs you come out with a edition for your religion or lack there of, the only thing stopping you is laziness. Seriously I don't understand how this could bug anyone. It's not like we are talking about Ubuntu the KKK edition.

[Iandefor]

Lol. I clearly do not understand why should one make differences in Ubuntu setups based on differences in religion. How about Ubuntu scientology edition? Make it proprietary, close the source, charge 400 dollars. per month. Bible-study software jumps to mind and content-filtering is in the works for the next release. There are just random little bits and bobs of software that are useful to churches/Christians. Without any rancor intended towards Mhancoc7, it's a shameless plug to get Christians using Ubuntu by including lots of good, Christian software by default :).

In comparison, an "Ubuntu Islam Edition" would include stuff like the itools package (a set of tools to convert between the Modern Gregorian Calendar and the calendar used to mark holidays in Islam, calculate the bearing of Mecca from a given location, and more things that escape my mind and I can't check on because I'm using Fedora atm:)), arabic fonts and input methods, etc.

[SpinesN]

So long as a christian edition does not outcast any other religious edition I think it's fine. As others have said it's about choice and while I and many more may not chose it some might so props to them.

[CaptainTux]

Lyriucue is the only one I am aware of, but there may be others. What about using kino or cinerella?

Here are some more links.

http://matheteuo.org/portal_05.php

correction.

http://www.opensong.org/

open song will soon have a linux version. FLOSS Linux version to be more precise.

[forrestcupp]

correction.

http://www.opensong.org/

open song will soon have a linux version. FLOSS Linux version to be more precise.

I checked out opensong. It and Lyricue both look great, but neither support playing video or multimedia. So here is my question. There is a certain computer in my church that we use to display lyrics, record messages, etc. I would really like to switch it to Ubuntu, but the Windows software I use now for lyrics will also show videos on the projector using the 2nd monitor. I sometimes make short videos to illustrate teachings. So if there is no lyric display alternative for linux that can do this, is there another way to display videos on a 2nd monitor? If so, this may be another thing that should be in Ubuntu Christian Edition.

[CaptainTux]

I checked out opensong. It and Lyricue both look great, but neither support playing video or multimedia. So here is my question. There is a certain computer in my church that we use to display lyrics, record messages, etc. I would really like to switch it to Ubuntu, but the Windows software I use now for lyrics will also show videos on the projector using the 2nd monitor. I sometimes make short videos to illustrate teachings. So if there is no lyric display alternative for linux that can do this, is there another way to display videos on a 2nd monitor? If so, this may be another thing that should be in Ubuntu Christian Edition.

Hm. Are these short videos live action videos? Or are the lyics layed over a moving image? What is it exactly that is displayed, I think I have an alternative for you to check out. Does it matter if it is FLOSS or proprietary,but works on Linux?

[bobbybobington]

costoa, redcard is right about this thread being a technical discussion. While reporting redcards comments as offensive, you should try to be careful of your comments yourself. As this is a technical discussion please be considerate enough to express your opinions about religion in another area.

Personally i can see your point about forking though... But as long as the derivative (be it christian, muslim, jewish, buddist, or any group) stays relatively close to the main project -maybe just some extra software and themes or whatnot- i think it can help reach out to people that may not know about ubuntu through something that they are involved in.

I can not say this enough, but people need to be careful of others beliefs and feelings on these forums. Sometimes it may not be easy but always try and see things from others point of view, and if you need to express your opinions and feelings about an issue please do it in an appropriate way.:)

[white_tiger_daniel]

I ablsolutely love this idea, being a christian myself. I am willing to help out wiht ideas and research, but I am not really a developer sort of person. Do you need a slogan? Maybe something from the bible?

This is an EXCELLENT idea.

Daniel

[RAV TUX]

Hi all,
I am working on what has been a dream of mine for quite a while. It is a customized Ubuntu LiveCD that is geared towards Christians. The intent is not to seperate Christians from the Ubuntu community. In fact the idea is to bring them into the Ubuntu community. The first release will be a very simple customization of Dapper. Basically added GnomeSword Bible program and made some simple graphical changes. The default Ubuntu setup is still the same. I also had to remove a few packages to keep the .iso size below 700mb. I plan to add more Christian software and make some additional changes, without changing the basics of Ubuntu. I am currently only working with the i386 Ubuntu. Hopefully I will be able to work on the other Ubuntu releases as well.

The next step is to find a server to host the .iso. My server simply does not have the capacity. I am humbly asking for someone who is interested in this project to donate some server space for the .iso. If anyone is interested please PM me.

Also if anyone is interested in helping with the development of this project or has suggestions please let me know. I am very excited about this project and would love to get feedback from this wonderful community.

God Bless, Jereme

Question: Have you registered your Edition with Distrowatch yet?

[forrestcupp]

Hm. Are these short videos live action videos? Or are the lyics layed over a moving image? What is it exactly that is displayed, I think I have an alternative for you to check out. Does it matter if it is FLOSS or proprietary,but works on Linux?

I'm not really interested in having lyrics displayed on moving background, although that would be a nice feature. Lyrics on a still background does me just fine. The videos I want to play are separate skit type live action videos (avi,mpg, ...), but I need it to play on the 2nd monitor which is what goes to my projector. I don't know if it is possible to do this with Totem or something.

I don't care if it is FLOSS or proprietary as long as it isn't real expensive.

[Iandefor]

I'm sorry but I really need to voice my opinion about this:

- A distro fork just doesn't make sense. A much easier way is to package whatever apps, artwork, reference material, etc, that are needed for your project and let users add them as desired.
- The forked version is much more susceptible to the introduction of security flaws like "man in middle" attacks and compromised public keys. Many christians would justify "rooting" another's machine if it meant "saving" them from porn and sites (i.e.: by using privoxy to block) that do not agree with the rooter's christian point of view.
- Many christians use their religion as a tool of oppression and to financially enrich themselves.
- In many parts of the world christians and christianity are seen as a virus who's main goal is to replace the indigenous nonchristian religion by whatever means available like the "baseball baptisms" ("Want to play baseball with us? You need to be baptized first") in South America.
- There is no god or gods. There isn't. There has never, ever been one shred of proof of any deity. Most likely the idea of "jesus" is also a myth and no such person ever lived. They're myths that have gone horribly, horribly wrong that at times have promoted zealots and the mentally unbalanced into positions of power. Just look at President Bush and US Senator Santorum (R-PA).
- A forked version is much more likely to confuse some people into thinking that Ubuntu "prefers" christianity over other religions.
- A christian fork is the quickest way to get any version Ubuntu banned in some Middle Eastern and Asian countries. One fatwa, the ban is a done deal and we all lose.

IMO do what you want but please consider building your distro off the Debian base instead of using the fine work of the Ubuntu team and the fine "Ubuntu Linux" name to promote your myths. I truly do not mean to offend you. I truly don't. I believe in religious freedom and the right to be free from religion for all people.

Maybe many of the comments made in this thread should serve as a warning that using the Ubuntu name to promote any religion will drive a wedge into an otherwise solid community.

This whole thread seems like it might belong in the Backyard. Some would say your posting is a thinly veiled attempt to proselytize due to the lack of any meaningful technical questions.

costoa
(Donning fireproof suit ...) You know, just about all of your concerns have been addressed, except for the ones that stereotype Christians and make unfounded claims.

- There is no god or gods. There isn't. There has never, ever been one shred of proof of any deity. Most likely the idea of "jesus" is also a myth and no such person ever lived. They're myths that have gone horribly, horribly wrong that at times have promoted zealots and the mentally unbalanced into positions of power. Just look at President Bush and US Senator Santorum (R-PA). 95% of all of humanity would beg to disagree that there is no God. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it so, and to declare, once and for all, that there is no God, is so fantastically arrogant it's beyond belief. After all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because we haven't found "Made By God" on the dark side of the Moon doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Also, your stereotyping of Christians as exclusive and petty is pretty sad, since there's no actual evidence that Christianity, on the whole, is like that.
- The forked version is much more susceptible to the introduction of security flaws like "man in middle" attacks and compromised public keys. Many christians would justify "rooting" another's machine if it meant "saving" them from porn and sites (i.e.: by using privoxy to block) that do not agree with the rooter's christian point of view. You know, if Christians really were, on the whole, so petty as this, the world would have imploded by now. Anywho, the majority of the users attracted by Ubuntu Christian Edition would be click-monkeys. How would they know what tools to install to bork other people's computers?
Get LOST. The admins have told you trollers to get out. The thread originator has told you to. NOW, I'm telling you too. Seriously, mods, can we start to get some bans and suspensions here?Redcard's right. We didn't split this thread in two just so you could go trolling.
Your post has been reported as harassing and it is most offensive I have ever read on ubuntuforums.org. Your comments are in juxtaposition to the Ubuntu philosophy. This site has been a great resource and a friendly place up to now.

Amazing, just amazing. Get out of this thread. This is NOT the place to discuss this. We (staff) had made another thread for the express purpose of discussing this. Even though it's locked, the Backyard's open. Make a new thread, don't troll and spam in the thread discussing the technical implementation.

[mhancoc7]

Question: Have you registered your Edition with Distrowatch yet?

No, I have been so busy I haven't got to it yet. I do plan to submit it to them however.
Thanks, Jereme

[RAV TUX]

No, I have been so busy I haven't got to it yet. I do plan to submit it to them however.
Thanks, Jereme

They have a 90 day waiting period so you may want to put your submission in sooner rather then later...

[KiwiNZ]

This thread is for Technical related issues concerning the Ubuntu Christian edition .Please leave other posts out of this .

Thankyou

[mhancoc7]

They have a 90 day waiting period so you may want to put your submission in sooner rather then later...

Thanks, I did not know that.
Jereme

[CaptainTux]

I'm not really interested in having lyrics displayed on moving background, although that would be a nice feature. Lyrics on a still background does me just fine. The videos I want to play are separate skit type live action videos (avi,mpg, ...), but I need it to play on the 2nd monitor which is what goes to my projector. I don't know if it is possible to do this with Totem or something.

I don't care if it is FLOSS or proprietary as long as it isn't real expensive.

Well, I do not know if it would work on a second monitor...and it is not very cheap, but MainActor runs on Linux and is very robust. It is also $200 :(

I tried it once on a 30 day free trail and it was great!

In other words, I got nothing for ya. I am sorry. If you do find a solution, let me know, I always like to have solutions for problems.

[forrestcupp]

Well, I do not know if it would work on a second monitor...and it is not very cheap, but MainActor runs on Linux and is very robust. It is also $200 :(

I tried it once on a 30 day free trail and it was great!

In other words, I got nothing for ya. I am sorry. If you do find a solution, let me know, I always like to have solutions for problems.

I appreciate your help. I don't really need something to edit videos. I use Cinelerra for that (it's FOSS). I just need something to display them on a 2nd monitor. Thanks anyway

[CaptainTux]

Actually, it had great playback capabilities. What do you use in Windows right now for 2nd monitor playback?

[forrestcupp]

Actually, it had great playback capabilities. What do you use in Windows right now for 2nd monitor playback?

I use Worship Him, which is software for on the fly lyric presentation. It also supports playing videos. I can also use Media Player or most other video players, and drag them to the 2nd monitor, and maximize. I just haven't messed with 2 monitor setups in Linux, because I don't have it available other than the computer at church. I don't really want to install Ubuntu without knowing it will work. Live cd isn't really an option because I don't have internet access at the church, and I know I would need the ATI drivers. As for MainActor, I don't really want to spend that kind of money just to use it for a media player.

[ctkroeker]

Why not just make a "meta-package"? You know like "kubuntu-desktop"... It just contains all the directions to download the files and install them.

[nalmeth]

Jereme, just saw your post.

So is that forum going to be where technical discussion will go on, rather than here?

This all seems to be a very sensitive issue for some folks. It may be a good way to sort things out

[mhancoc7]

Jereme, just saw your post.

So is that forum going to be where technical discussion will go on, rather than here?

This all seems to be a very sensitive issue for some folks. It may be a good way to sort things out

Yes it is. I will of course do my best to keep up with this thread.
Jereme

[audioboxer217]

I really like this idea. I actually read all 38 pages and congratulate you on your accomplishments. I feel like I found out about this a little late but I will be joining the forums on ChurchForge to watch the progression. Also, I feel that one of the major problems that many people have with this project should be addressed as well. There should be a Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, etc version of Ubuntu. However, as a Christian I am not sure what these versions would need, but someone who does know should definately get the ball rolling on those projects. They would have just as much of an impact on the Ubuntu project as a whole and would only help spread the news about Ubuntu.:razz:

[mhancoc7]

Ok, I have just finished up testing what will be Ubuntu Christian Edition v1.1. This will probably become the base Ubuntu CE. We can then get to work on the Companion CD(s). I am pretty excited about how this turned out.

What's New:

1. Added more GnomeSword modules including the only Catholic Bible available for GnomeSword.
2. Pre-installed and configured Dansguardian web content filtering with a custom GUI to change the filter settings.
3. Added an "About Ubuntu Christian Edition" info program to the Adminstration menu.
4. Removed Gimp, Gnome Games, and Ekiga. (see #5!)
5. Added Administration menu option to automatically install the programs that were removed from the default Ubuntu. Once completed all the programs that were removed are restored and the option is removed from the menu.
6. Changed the wallpaper. I found it on GnomeLook.org and I really like it. I added the tagline "Ubuntu Christian Edition" to it. It is not a Christian wallpaper, but it fits nicely with the theme and the "global" appeal is what I envisioned. I never wanted the wallpaper to be overly Christian. I just wanted the look to be nice and smooth with the subtle Christian elements.

Ok here are some screenshots.

Wallpaper:
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/version1.1/background.png

Administration Menu:
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/version1.1/menu.png

About Ubuntu Christian Edition:
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/version1.1/about.png

Parental Controls:
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/version1.1/parental_controls.png

Access Denied Page:
http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/version1.1/blocked.png

I would love to hear what you all think.

God Bless, Jereme

[pneaveill]

Been busy. Kudos to the whole team!!

Any updates on the update script from ubuntu dapper to ubuntu-ce dapper?

[Papa-san]

I have a lot of unused server space and monthly bandwidth if someone can let me know the best way to go about it.

[pneaveill]

Why not just make a "meta-package"? You know like "kubuntu-desktop"... It just contains all the directions to download the files and install them.
Did not see if this has been answered within the last few days, but there are plans in process (as I am told) of scripts to switch from ubuntu to ubuntu-CE. Anything you would like to see on future updates?

[mhancoc7]

Been busy. Kudos to the whole team!!

Any updates on the update script from ubuntu dapper to ubuntu-ce dapper?

Thanks, I am very happy with what will be the next release.

Yes, when the next version is released, I will be releasing two additional scripts. One will be used to upgrade to the newest version and one will be used to convert to Ubuntu CE.

I have a lot of unused server space and monthly bandwidth if someone can let me know the best way to go about it.

Hi, thanks for your willingness to help out. If you would like to host the iso just let me know if you would prefer to download it and upload it to your server or if you want to set up an ftp account for me to upoad it to your server. Either way is fine with me. Also if you decide to host the iso let me know what name you want to be used for the Team Members roster.

Thanks, Jereme

[mhancoc7]

You can check the post out here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1377641#post1377641

God Bless, Jereme

[gnomeuser]

Yes, I know and I expected someone to feel this way. In my opinion there are many Christians who simply do not realize that there are Christian Linux programs. I feel like having a real Christian Linux distro available will only bring more users to Linux and to Ubuntu. That is just my opinion though.

God Bless, Jereme

Programs are agnostic, a program can however be geared towards a specific audience, in this case christians.

That being said I have two comments:

1) You don't see me ending my posts with "I'll think for you, GNOMEuser" so please leave the religion at the door this is a forum for everyone not just christians, some of us are offended by having our lives invaded by your faith when we elect not to have any. Out of respect for people here I don't put mentions of my stance in terms of religion in my signature I politely ask you to show the same level of respect. This is not the venue for such things.

2) Are you telling me the notion for this project is that christians are to dumb to install software? (meant tongue in cheek - the issue is information not access as I see it, you want to show off cool software for the faithful which is all cool)

Not that I'm implying you people as a general rule are stupid but would the effort not be better spend say writing a guide or a script rather than splintering off people of faith from the otherwise welcoming Ubuntu community. In much the same way we handle things with Automatix or how about a review list of software that is geared towards your audience. That's all about choice and any flaws you find in the software could be pointed out for fixing by the relevant developers.

I'm somewhat afraid you'll be taking on quite a major task that will burn you out, handling users on a daily basis can lead to that very easily and if you at some point down the line decide to leave the project for one reason or the other it would mean leaving a sizable number of users hanging without support or updates. Keeping a list of reviews up to date would allow for more choice for your users and less work for you, and as an added bonus you can safely leave all bugs up to the Ubuntu team to handle (Issues of passing on bugs from a derived distribution might get iffy depending on how much you tamper with it over time)

There's also the option of setting up a Launchpad group for christian developers to handle bugs and such if you want to generally improve the experience with such software under Ubuntu. I could see that being extremely useful for all parties involved, more testers and developers for any piece of software is after all a good thing.

Regardless I wish you good luck in your quest.

[mhancoc7]

Programs are agnostic, a program can however be geared towards a specific audience, in this case christians.

That being said I have two comments:

1) You don't see me ending my posts with "I'll think for you, GNOMEuser" so please leave the religion at the door this is a forum for everyone not just christians, some of us are offended by having our lives invaded by your faith when we elect not to have any. Out of respect for people here I don't put mentions of my stance in terms of religion in my signature I politely ask you to show the same level of respect. This is not the venue for such things.

2) Are you telling me the notion for this project is that christians are to dumb to install software? (meant tongue in cheek - the issue is information not access as I see it, you want to show off cool software for the faithful which is all cool)

Not that I'm implying you people as a general rule are stupid but would the effort not be better spend say writing a guide or a script rather than splintering off people of faith from the otherwise welcoming Ubuntu community. In much the same way we handle things with Automatix or how about a review list of software that is geared towards your audience. That's all about choice and any flaws you find in the software could be pointed out for fixing by the relevant developers.

I'm somewhat afraid you'll be taking on quite a major task that will burn you out, handling users on a daily basis can lead to that very easily and if you at some point down the line decide to leave the project for one reason or the other it would mean leaving a sizable number of users hanging without support or updates. Keeping a list of reviews up to date would allow for more choice for your users and less work for you, and as an added bonus you can safely leave all bugs up to the Ubuntu team to handle (Issues of passing on bugs from a derived distribution might get iffy depending on how much you tamper with it over time)

There's also the option of setting up a Launchpad group for christian developers to handle bugs and such if you want to generally improve the experience with such software under Ubuntu. I could see that being extremely useful for all parties involved, more testers and developers for any piece of software is after all a good thing.

Regardless I wish you good luck in your quest.

First let me say thank you for wishing me luck with the project. I appreciate that.

To address how I end my post with God Bless and such. At least that is what I assume you are referring to. If you look closely I try very hard to only use God Bless when I am addressing someone that I know is Christian. If they have told me directly that they are not I try to remember to just put Thank You out of respect. However, if my putting God Bless offends you then you really need to get over it. I am not trying to be rude, but come on. I did't say "Repent or you are damned!". I just said God Bless. I didn't even say Jesus Saves. The word God is used by many cultures and is generally safe to use except when someone like yourself gets their panties in a wad over it.

As for Christian being too "dumb" to install software. That is not it at all and just shows that you probably did not read the majority of this thread. There are many reasons to go with the LiveCD. One is because I want to (Hooray For Open Source). Another reason is that handing someone a LiveCD with software preinstalled that will interest that particular person or group is much more impressive than handing them a vanilla Ubuntu LiveCD and then telling them to run a few scripts or download this or that.

Now as far as how much work I am taking on. This is another indicator that you have not read much of this thread. This is not truly a new distro or even a derivative. It is basically a customized Ubuntu LiveCD geared towards Christians. This means that all the software that is on the LiveCD is available through the official repos. Someone running Ubuntu CE can get answers to their software problems here just like someone who installed the Ubuntu CE customizations to a vanilla Ubuntu install.

I apologize if I am coming across harsh or defensive. It is just that this discussion has been completely and utterly exhausted. I am also getting tired of getting critisized for trying to contribute to the community. I get accused of trying to splinter from the community and this is absolutely not true. In fact if you take the time to read the FAQ page of the project site you will read the following:

Q: Why should I use the Ubuntu Christian Edition if I can install the same software to the default Ubuntu?

A: The concept behind the Ubuntu Christian Edition is not to deviate from the Ubuntu community. It is intended to draw a larger Christian base to the already thriving community of Ubuntu users. The Ubuntu Christian Edition simply makes it easier for Christians who are new to Linux to see the power of Ubuntu combined with the added benefit of having the best available Linux Christian software preinstalled.

I respect the fact that you have a different opinion. I just wished "you people" would remember that this is Open Source Software. If we are all going to rant about how great OSS is then we have to be consistent regardless of our world view.

I'll think for you, Jereme :)

[nbpetts]

Oh, jeeze i just know there is a joke to be made about a Christian linux distro killing all system deamons...

(snare sting)

[forrestcupp]

1) You don't see me ending my posts with "I'll think for you, GNOMEuser" so please leave the religion at the door this is a forum for everyone not just christians, some of us are offended by having our lives invaded by your faith when we elect not to have any. Out of respect for people here I don't put mentions of my stance in terms of religion in my signature I politely ask you to show the same level of respect. This is not the venue for such things.


There are a lot of things in other threads on this forum that I find somewhat offensive, but usually I keep my mouth shut about them. One such offensive thing is when someone implies that Christians are stupid.

These forums aren't here to attack or argue; they are here for support. If you don't want to participate in something, please don't.

[mhancoc7]

Oh, jeeze i just know there is a joke to be made about a Christian linux distro killing all system deamons...

(snare sting)

Oh, yes that is one of my favorites. There ars actually some really original ones out there too. I saw post on another forum somewhere that had some real ridiculous ones. Oh well, like they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Jereme

[pneaveill]

Downloaded like a champ. Kudos to everyone. Testing everything for upgrade now. Post soon.

Looks awesome!!

[mhancoc7]

Downloaded like a champ. Kudos to everyone. Testing everything for upgrade now. Post soon.

Looks awesome!!

Great!! Thanks.

I look forward to hearing what you think.

Jereme

[mhancoc7]

Hi,
I have been corresponding with DistroWatch. They have just let me know that Ubuntu CE will be listed on DistroWatch. There is a really long waiting list. It are currently 160 distros ahead of Ubuntu CE. They did say that if they see a lot of support for the project that they may expedite it, but it will take a few months.

I am just excited that it will get listed. This could mean big things for the project.

Thanks, Jereme

[pneaveill]

So far I liked everything but that Dan'sguardian thing.
Access to the page has been denied. URL: http://linsec.ca/bin/view/Main/DansGuardian
Weighted phrase limit exceeded.


URL: http://www.ubuntustudio.com/uploads/studio-pkg-report.sh
Banned extension: .sh
Please contact the Network Administrator if you think there has been an error.


They said to contact you

[mhancoc7]

So far I liked everything but that Dan'sguardian thing.
Access to the page has been denied. URL: http://linsec.ca/bin/view/Main/DansGuardian
Weighted phrase limit exceeded.


URL: http://www.ubuntustudio.com/uploads/studio-pkg-report.sh
Banned extension: .sh
Please contact the Network Administrator if you think there has been an error.


They said to contact you


Yes, Dansguardian works really well. Too well sometimes :). That is why I built the GUI to allow you to customize the Dansguardian filter settings easily.

Open the "Configure Parental Controls" app (Applications > Administration > Configure Parental Controls)

To fix your first issue click "Sites Not Filtered" and add linsec.ca to the list. Save the file and close gedit.

To fix your second issue. Click "Blocked File Extensions" and put a # before the .sh on the list. Save the filte and close gedit.

Now be sure to click "Save & Exit" on the "Configure Parental Controls" app. Wait a few seconds. You will see an item in your taskbar that says "Starting Administration Application". Once that is gone you should be able to surf to the site and download .sh files.

I tried to tweak the dansguardian config files a bit before installing, but I wanted to leave it up to the user to configure Dansguardian to there liking. I knew if I loosened it up too much I would get people saying that it does not work, and if I tightened it up too much I would get people saying that it worked too well.

I hope that helps.

How did the "Upgrade Script" work for you?

Thanks for your feedback it is very much appreciated. Jereme

[mhancoc7]

Ok, we are officially on the DistroWatch waiting list!!

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links

Jereme

[pneaveill]

Downloaded like a champ. Kudos to everyone. Testing everything for upgrade now. Post soon.

Looks awesome!!
Download worked perfectly. Absolutely not even the slightest hint of a problem with the install. The only problem is the previously mentioned mess with dansguardian. I looked around for the admin under the apllications and as I am still a bit of a noob, cannot find it.

Other than that, it looks and acts really good.

[pneaveill]

Just curious, did you mean system/administration, rather than the applications/administration?

[mhancoc7]

Just curious, did you mean system/administration, rather than the applications/administration?

Yes, that is what I meant. Sorry. Did you find it?
Jereme

[KiwiNZ]

gnomeuser it has been stated in the title of this thread and by staff notices in the thread that this thread is for technical matters only related to the Ubuntu Christian edition

[rattlerviper]

Ok, we are officially on the DistroWatch waiting list!!

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links

Jereme

Ouch that is a really long list with people still waiting from 2003. I wish you the best of luck.

[mhancoc7]

Ouch that is a really long list with people still waiting from 2003. I wish you the best of luck.

Yeah, the DistroWatch developer made it sound as if it would be about 3 months. He did say he would expedite it if he saw enough support of the project. So hopefully he will.
Thanks, Jereme

[rattlerviper]

Yeah, the DistroWatch developer made it sound as if it would be about 3 months. He did say he would expedite it if he saw enough support of the project. So hopefully he will.
Thanks, Jereme

Well, you may indeed make it sooner then as it sounds like there is a lot of momentum going for you right now. How is he measuring intrest? Is it clicking on the link on the DistroWatch website? If that was the case you could easily mount a campaighn to send thousands of "clicks" his way.:D

[mhancoc7]

Well, you may indeed make it sooner then as it sounds like there is a lot of momentum going for you right now. How is he measuring intrest? Is it clicking on the link on the DistroWatch website? If that was the case you could easily mount a campaighn to send thousands of "clicks" his way.:D

I sure hope so. I am not sure how he is basing the interest level. I know that I am getting a fair amount of traffic from that link as well as a comment on distrowatch that has a link to our project site.

The ball is definitely rolling fast with this one and I just hope to keep it going. So far I have gotten a lot of positive feedback.

Jereme

[gnomeuser]

gnomeuser it has been stated in the title of this thread and by staff notices in the thread that this thread is for technical matters only related to the Ubuntu Christian edition

And concerns of long lasting support and implementation is not a technical issue?

[Redcard]

And concerns of long lasting support and implementation is not a technical issue?

That was not how you phrased your concerns. You know the intent of your message. There is a lot of support for this product, and it is growing on a daily basis.

If you have a serious technical concern, please articulate it in a way that does not involve broaching the subject of religious choice.

If you cannot, then you do not have a serious technical concern.

[gnomeuser]

Oh, yes that is one of my favorites. There ars actually some really original ones out there too. I saw post on another forum somewhere that had some real ridiculous ones. Oh well, like they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Jereme

To be honest from a usability pov daemon is a terrible term, which is why many GUIs referer to them as services. That being said so long as that's the term the user sees in the GUI who cares what it's called under the hood.

There's a lot of historical crap in UNIX that doesn't really work well for users just based on the naming, take the root user. Sure that makes perfect sense to oldschool UNIX users but just about every userfriendly distro contain the following explanatory text "the root user is the system administrator account". Why not just rename every relevant instance to Administrator and avoid the explanation burden. I'm not sure if the PolicyKit thingy will help us avoid this by allowing privillage escalation meaning we could use terms like "granting permission to install software" and also avoid the huge gap between user and root in terms of functionality. Honestly for 99% of all tasks we run as root it would make more sense from a security pov to run as user+required privillages. It's not for anything we have jokes like root, God what's the difference? Granular permission control seems to be the way forth.. maybe.

So this isn't in my mind an entirely invalid request although the joking fasion in which it's stated "repent computer, begone devil processes" has high humourous value.

Not that we'll have a chance to change it without doing major surgery and the gain vs. the effort might not be worth it. I doubt we'll ever get this fixed though, there's to much historical ballast for it to change and we have means of working around it in the GUI.

[mhancoc7]

And concerns of long lasting support and implementation is not a technical issue?

It seemed to me that that was not the point of your post. I am willing to take on the work.

To be honest from a usability pov daemon is a terrible term, which is why many GUIs referer to them as services. That being said so long as that's the term the user sees in the GUI who cares what it's called under the hood.

There's a lot of historical crap in UNIX that doesn't really work well for users just based on the naming, take the root user. Sure that makes perfect sense to oldschool UNIX users but just about every userfriendly distro contain the following explanatory text "the root user is the system administrator account". Why not just rename every relevant instance to Administrator and avoid the explanation burden. I'm not sure if the PolicyKit thingy will help us avoid this by allowing privillage escalation meaning we could use terms like "granting permission to install software" and also avoid the huge gap between user and root in terms of functionality. Honestly for 99% of all tasks we run as root it would make more sense from a security pov to run as user+required privillages. It's not for anything we have jokes like root, God what's the difference? Granular permission control seems to be the way forth.. maybe.

So this isn't in my mind an entirely invalid request although the joking fasion in which it's stated "repent computer, begone devil processes" has high humourous value.

Not that we'll have a chance to change it without doing major surgery and the gain vs. the effort might not be worth it. I doubt we'll ever get this fixed though, there's to much historical ballast for it to change and we have means of working around it in the GUI.

Yeah, I just think it is hilarious that people would think that since it is a Christian distro that I would remove the term daemon or not include Evolution email client.

Jereme

[gnomeuser]

That was not how you phrased your concerns. You know the intent of your message. There is a lot of support for this product, and it is growing on a daily basis.

If you have a serious technical concern, please articulate it in a way that does not involve broaching the subject of religious choice.

If you cannot, then you do not have a serious technical concern.

Are you sure you read my message carefully, I did not call christians dumb (no more than any other notion that ANY user isn't clever enough to take any action given proper information at least) and I made very sure I phrased the concerns in terms of support and approach. Any notion otherwise is false in it's entirety. Hell I even wished the developer good luck as I think he'll need it and who am I to fight any effort that can potentially bring new users to free software?

I have no idea how the regular Ubuntu developers will approach support requests from UbuntuCE users, they might just get pushed to the back of the queue in favor of the huge amount of bugs filed on the main product. This would be bad for users.

Also in terms of providing choice maintaining a metapackage in universe or a set of wiki pages seems to make more sense, it would automatically grant christians software for every other available version of Ubuntu. Say you are a KUbuntu user you might not like GNOMESword and I'm sure there's a fine KDE alternative that this user might like better, informing him on that choice or giving him the option of apt-getting kubuntu-christian (name taken from my behind we could provide more granulary naming to allow for other special interest groups - ubuntu-religion-christianity, kubuntu-religion-scientology, ubuntu-science-biology etc.).

I honestly think we could handle this just as well if not better within the existing framework. I could see myself providing a ubuntu-contributor-translation-danish package with bookmarks, programs and needed Launchpad information.

Also like with Linus, what happens if, deity of choice forbid, the main developer dies suddenly. Having an entirely seperate project might not be as easy to pass on to new maintainers as a set of wiki pages and maintainership of a metapackage. I have worked on a project (also a special interest distribution) where the lead developer died suddenly, he was a good friend and along with the sorrow of loosing him there was a mess to handle with regards to turning maintainership over to the next caretaker - the end result was that the interrim mess caused the project to lose users and eventually it died out.
I'd honestly like to, as much as possible, spare users and fellow contributors from that. Such issues are not only limited to death but also loss of interest or lack of time. It's in no way because I don't see this as a valid project I just want to see it implemented as best as possible.

If that's not a valid technical implementation concern then what is?

-edit-

My spelling sucks

[mhancoc7]

I just submitted a GDM theme based on the Ubuntu CE wallpaper to Gnome-Look. You can check it out here.

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44269

God Bless, Jereme

[gnomeuser]

Yeah, I just think it is hilarious that people would think that since it is a Christian distro that I would remove the term daemon or not include Evolution email client.

Jereme

That basically stems I guess from the public preception christians get as a result of extremists like Kent Hovind. Moderate christians at least as I know them in my life all accept evolution and what's in a name. Just name the icon "Mail client" and be done with it - we do have a history of selecting fun names for programs. Emacs e.g. doesn't really by it's name say "text editor + kitchensink".

I'm honestly more worried in this case not about extremists since those wouldn't be likely to care about any thing that doesn't fit into their world view but more about the general use cases. Within those daemon is a bad name just because it doesn't convey the correct information.

Regardless such usability concerns are an upstream issue and should be handled there for the benefit of all mankind.

Ubuntu for the faithful is a fine idea and I'm sure there's a market for it. I could see myself giving it to my local church to save them money (even though they don't get any of my tax dollars I still do give technical support to my local community when asked to - people, school and the local priest, who btw. is a very nice man and his wife bakes great cookies)

[gnomeuser]

I just submitted a GDM theme based on the Ubuntu CE wallpaper to Gnome-Look. You can check it out here.

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=44269

God Bless, Jereme

I love it.. nice and simply. It even looks good, although greatly different, for people with color blindness something pointed out in the GNOME HIG quite specifically as a concern.

A great tool for artists to check such things is www.vischeck.com/vischeck - please apply liberally to any artwork to avoid any such issues.

[mhancoc7]

@gnomeuser

I definitely agree that some of the naming in Linux does not really convey what the program does. In fact it is my opinion that some of the Linux terminology is what keeps some new users from sticking with it. I mean it can be overwhelming.

As far as Evolution. I fully expect at least one email from a Christian stating that Evolution should be removed. Now I am not really what I would call a "moderate Christian", but I try very hard not to hung up on such trivial things. For example I removed Gnome Games to make space for Dansguardian web content filtering. I made sure to add an Administration menu option to restore all of the removed programs including Gnome Games even though I am sure I will also get an email from a Christian saying that Black Jack should not be included on Ubuntu CE.

I am quite used to trying to avoid offending people with my web projects. I have been running WhatWouldJesusDownload.com (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com) for almost four years now. The site is geared towards Christians, but I try very hard to not make it obnoxious. I mean I don't push "getting saved" or "witnessing". The idea for the site is simply to be a safe place on the web for Christians or anyone looking for a Family Friendly site. I hope to "witness" through my life not necessarily through my words.

I hope that all makes sense. I tend to ramble.

Jereme

[mhancoc7]

I love it.. nice and simply. It even looks good, although greatly different, for people with color blindness something pointed out in the GNOME HIG quite specifically as a concern.

A great tool for artists to check such things is www.vischeck.com/vischeck (http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck) - please apply liberally to any artwork to avoid any such issues.

Thanks. I will have to check out the link. You know I must admit I never even thought of that.

Jereme

[gnomeuser]

Thanks. I will have to check out the link. You know I must admit I never even thought of that.

Jereme

Well I am a GNOME fanboy, the HIG is my bible - so I learned to consider such things even though my vision is pretty much 20/20.

[forrestcupp]

I just want to say from my point of view why a separate distro is better than just doing a metapackage. My church is a small church, but we have two computers that we use. We use one computer in the office for book keeping, personal studies, etc. We also have another computer that we use for the projection system, for displaying song lyrics and presentations, and for recording the messages to put on CD's. We have all of these things that we do with our computers, but we do not have internet access. A distro that has everything I need on a CD would do our church a lot more good than a metapackage that we can't even access. If our church is in a position like this, I'm sure there are a lot of other churches and Christians who are in the same position.

[audioboxer217]

I like the themes. They are coming together nicely. It does fit in nicely with the default Ubuntu colors. I did notice, however, that you have some rather snide remarks on Gnome-Look.org about your GDE theme. I do not have an account there so I could not set them straight about your goal to bring more people to Linux.

[cprise]

Hi,

Why are we being asked to post in the religious thread when it has been locked?

As for adapting the Ubuntu trademark for a sectarian endeavor, I do not think it is a good idea at all. Particularly for a distribution that is meant to celebrate our humanity unconditionally, which to be honest seems like a concept that Christianity and some other religions tend to be at odds with. A belief that human beings are inherently unworthy until redeemed through a particular religious practice is not something with which I would want this distribution to have a direct association.

OTOH I do think that sites like What Would Jesus Drive/Download/etc are good for promoting practical causes. And Howtos, scripts and repository sections devoted to getting people quickly setup for religious studies would be welcomed by many.

Yet actually identifying Ubuntu with a religion runs the risk of the distro being viewed by many more as a missionary enticement that they are likely to avoid.

[Redcard]

Hi,

Why are we being asked to post in the religious thread when it has been locked?

It's been locked because people who have had a problem with this has destroyed it. Twice.

So you don't get to talk about its religious or societal implications anymore. If people were mature and adultlike, perhaps a thread for the societal implications could have stayed open. Since people were immature and hateful towards Christians in general, the threads were shut down.

People have had their chances to discuss this like adults. They blew it. Sorry. Your post is off topic in this thread, please don't make any more like it. If you have technical considerations or suggestions regarding Ubuntu CE, please make them known in this thread. Otherwise, please leave this thread well enough alone.

[pneaveill]

lol. Yes. Thanks

[shane2peru]

Jereme,

1st, let me say, a BIG BOLD THANK YOU!!! For this project. Sure there will always be opposing people, let them oppose all they want. Somebody has to stand for something. Any way, I just downloaded the script and was thinking of trying it, even though I'm using Kubuntu. I know, and read the warnings. Do you think it would crash my system? If so, I can live with that, and just re-install. If you think it may work, let me know, and I will give it a try later. (After I back up.) 2nd. I wanted to say that I have space and bandwith for some scripts, that I wouldn't mind hosting. I don't have enough room for an iso, but for a few mbs scripts, I wouldn't mind hosting that. Please let me know.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Jereme,

1st, let me say, a BIG BOLD THANK YOU!!! For this project. Sure there will always be opposing people, let them oppose all they want. Somebody has to stand for something. Any way, I just downloaded the script and was thinking of trying it, even though I'm using Kubuntu. I know, and read the warnings. Do you think it would crash my system? If so, I can live with that, and just re-install. If you think it may work, let me know, and I will give it a try later. (After I back up.) 2nd. I wanted to say that I have space and bandwith for some scripts, that I wouldn't mind hosting. I don't have enough room for an iso, but for a few mbs scripts, I wouldn't mind hosting that. Please let me know.

Shane

Thank you very much.

The convert script should work with Kubuntu, but is completely untested. The script basically adds the programs and changes some themes around for gnome only. So you probably will not notice any of the graphical changes. I am not sure how Dansguardian and the GUI that I built will work with Kubuntu, but since Kubuntu is basically Ubuntu using KDE it should work fine. However, it is untested. If you decide to try it anyway, let me know how it goes. I am sure that this situation will come up again.

As for the hosting, I really appreciate it. I think I am ok for now with hosting for the scripts.

Jereme

[shane2peru]

Jereme,

Well, that is kind of what I figured too. So I thought, since I'm about to re-install anyway and go back to pure Gnome, I though I would give the script a try and see how well it worked, or didn't work with Kubuntu. That would give a little help that I can be, since I know nothing of programming, or writing scritps. I'm not computer illiterate, just lack proper programming skills.

Let me know if I can be of help hosting script files. You can PM me, or email me through my web page.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Jereme,

Well, that is kind of what I figured too. So I thought, since I'm about to re-install anyway and go back to pure Gnome, I though I would give the script a try and see how well it worked, or didn't work with Kubuntu. That would give a little help that I can be, since I know nothing of programming, or writing scritps. I'm not computer illiterate, just lack proper programming skills.

Let me know if I can be of help hosting script files. You can PM me, or email me through my web page.

Shane

Cool. I look forward to seeing if the script works with Kubuntu. I am ok for now as far as hosting the scripts. I really appreciate your willingness to help out though. If you ever have any ideas for the project feel free to let me know.
God Bless, Jereme

[LaserJock]

For people interested in Kubuntu, the Ichthux (http://www.ichthux.com) project (which I am a part of) is working on a Christian .iso based on Kubuntu (we have a beta now that has BibleTime and Christian kopete emoticons) so that might be a little easier. Ichthux produced a Knoppix-based Christian LiveCD a little over a year ago but the project has since moved to making a Kubuntu based desktop CD. Overall, it might be a good idea to combine forces or something. The 2 projects really do have a lot in common. Of course it might also be a good example of the power of diversity and choice in the Linux free software world :-)

Hopefully soon we might also be able to replace dansguardian with an Edubuntu Summer of Code project called willow-ng and most of the ichthux packages will be in Universe for Edgy. Raphael Pinson has gotten Christian Kopete emoticons in edgy and we are looking to put as much stuff as we can before the Universe repo freeze on Sep. 28th.

God Bless,

-LaserJock
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P.S. if anybody wants to help out packaging Sword modules or other Christian software for inclusion in Universe let me know. Raphael and I are Ubuntu developers so we can sponsor uploads and help people learn to make packages.

[shane2peru]

Well, I ran the script, and it booted back up, so that is good. I did notice that the dansguardian configuration thing didn't work in Kubuntu. I don't think that Dan's Guardian is working either. There seemed like there were a lot of errors. Hopefully this will be helpfull. Here is what happened:

sudo ./convert_me
Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release.gpg [191B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Sources
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg [189B]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Sources
Fetched 5B in 23s (0B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
mv: cannot move `.backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png' to `/usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.splash_screens/ubuntu-slick.png' to `/usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-slick.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.gdm/screenshot.png' to `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/screenshot.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.gdm/ubuntu.png' to `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu.png': No such file or directory
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
gnomesword is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
sword-text-web is already the newest version.
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Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
sword-text-sparv is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/sword/modules/texts/ztext/drc': File exists
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/drc.conf': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzs': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzv': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzz': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzs': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzv': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzz': No such file or directory
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam libclamav1 libesmtp5
Suggested packages:
unrar lha clamav-docs squid
Recommended packages:
arj unzoo
The following NEW packages will be installed:
clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam dansguardian libclamav1 libesmtp5
0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4682kB/5116kB of archives.
After unpacking 7782kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe clamav-freshclam 0.88.2-1ubuntu1 [4297kB]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe clamav 0.88.2-1ubuntu1 [65.7kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe libesmtp5 1.0.3-1 [51.9kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe dansguardian 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1 [267kB]
Fetched 3557kB in 1m14s (47.7kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
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Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 6 during global destruction.
Preconfiguring packages ...
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 4.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 7.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 10.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 13.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 16.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Selecting previously deselected package libclamav1.
(Reading database ... 82747 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libclamav1 (from .../libclamav1_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package clamav-base.
Unpacking clamav-base (from .../clamav-base_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package clamav-freshclam.
Unpacking clamav-freshclam (from .../clamav-freshclam_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package clamav.
Unpacking clamav (from .../clamav_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libesmtp5.
Unpacking libesmtp5 (from .../libesmtp5_1.0.3-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package dansguardian.
Unpacking dansguardian (from .../dansguardian_2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up libclamav1 (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...

Setting up clamav-base (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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Failed to open device
Adding system user `clamav'...
Adding new group `clamav' (114).
Adding new user `clamav' (114) with group `clamav'.
Not creating home directory `/var/lib/clamav'.
dpkg: error processing clamav-base (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav-freshclam:
clamav-freshclam depends on clamav-base (= 0.88.2-1ubuntu1); however:
Package clamav-base is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing clamav-freshclam (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav:
clamav depends on clamav-freshclam | clamav-data; however:
Package clamav-freshclam is not configured yet.
Package clamav-data is not installed.
Package clamav-freshclam which provides clamav-data is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing clamav (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up libesmtp5 (1.0.3-1) ...

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dansguardian:
dansguardian depends on clamav; however:
Package clamav is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
clamav-base
clamav-freshclam
clamav
dansguardian
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
tinyproxy
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
4 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 65.8kB of archives.
After unpacking 238kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe tinyproxy 1.6.3-3 [65.8kB]
Fetched 65.8kB in 2s (24.9kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
Selecting previously deselected package tinyproxy.
(Reading database ... 83033 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking tinyproxy (from .../tinyproxy_1.6.3-3_i386.deb) ...
Setting up clamav-base (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device

Setting up clamav-freshclam (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 4.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 7.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 10.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 13.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 16.
* Starting ClamAV virus database updater freshclam [ ok ]
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.

Setting up clamav (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1) ...
adduser: Warning: The home dir you specified already exists.
Adding system user `dansguardian'...
Adding new group `dansguardian' (115).
Adding new user `dansguardian' (115) with group `dansguardian'.
The home directory `/var/log/dansguardian' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel'
adduser: Warning: that home directory does not belong to the user you are currently creating
DansGuardian has not been configured!
Please edit /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf manually then rerun
this script.

Setting up tinyproxy (1.6.3-3) ...
Starting tinyproxy: tinyproxy.

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Recommended packages:
modutils
The following NEW packages will be installed:
firehol
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 160kB of archives.
After unpacking 811kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe firehol 1.231-4 [160kB]
Fetched 160kB in 3s (40.3kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
Selecting previously deselected package firehol.
(Reading database ... 83056 files and directories currently installed.)
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Setting up firehol (1.231-4) ...

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
dansguardian is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
Stopping DansGuardian: dansguardian.
Starting DansGuardian: Error connecting to parent proxy
invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
fakeroot gambas-doc gambas-gb-compress gambas-gb-db gambas-gb-db-mysql gambas-gb-db-postgresql gambas-gb-db-sqlite gambas-gb-debug
gambas-gb-eval gambas-gb-net gambas-gb-net-curl gambas-gb-qt gambas-gb-qt-editor gambas-gb-qt-ext gambas-gb-sdl gambas-gb-vb gambas-gb-xml
gambas-runtime libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmpeg0
The following NEW packages will be installed:
fakeroot gambas gambas-doc gambas-gb-compress gambas-gb-db gambas-gb-db-mysql gambas-gb-db-postgresql gambas-gb-db-sqlite gambas-gb-debug
gambas-gb-eval gambas-gb-net gambas-gb-net-curl gambas-gb-qt gambas-gb-qt-editor gambas-gb-qt-ext gambas-gb-sdl gambas-gb-vb gambas-gb-xml
gambas-runtime libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmpeg0
0 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4981kB/5180kB of archives.
After unpacking 24.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main fakeroot 1.5.6ubuntu2 [93.8kB]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-runtime 1.0.13-2 [93.9kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt 1.0.13-2 [169kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt-ext 1.0.13-2 [49.8kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-eval 1.0.13-2 [20.1kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt-editor 1.0.13-2 [64.3kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-net-curl 1.0.13-2 [16.1kB]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-vb 1.0.13-2 [8316B]
Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-debug 1.0.13-2 [16.5kB]
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-db-mysql 1.0.13-2 [12.6kB]
Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-db-sqlite 1.0.13-2 [46.4kB]
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-db-postgresql 1.0.13-2 [12.0kB]
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Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-net 1.0.13-2 [24.0kB]
Get:15 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-compress 1.0.13-2 [12.3kB]
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libsmpeg0 0.4.5+cvs20030824-1.7 [99.8kB]
Get:17 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libsdl-mixer1.2 1.2.6-1.1 [132kB]
Get:18 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-sdl 1.0.13-2 [8996B]
Get:19 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-xml 1.0.13-2 [20.2kB]
Get:20 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-doc 1.0.13-2 [3074kB]
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
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Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::ScrollView', <> line 23 during global destruction.
Selecting previously deselected package fakeroot.
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Setting up gambas-gb-db-mysql (1.0.13-2) ...
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Setting up gambas-gb-sdl (1.0.13-2) ...
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Setting up gambas-doc (1.0.13-2) ...
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libqt3-mt is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
gnome-panel: no process killed
nautilus: no process killed
Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release
Get:2 http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release.gpg [191B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Sources
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Sources
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg [189B]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Sources
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Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages
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Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Packages
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Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Sources
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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Failed to open device
Stopping DansGuardian: dansguardian.
Starting DansGuardian: Error connecting to parent proxy
invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.


Shane

[pneaveill]

LaserJock:

On an unrelated matter, I could use some of your expertise please. If that is possible. I have read as much as I can get my grubbies on and still cannot figure out how to compile some things. Please walk me through this.

Trying to get alsa setup on my creative labs Emu10k1

[mhancoc7]

Well, I ran the script, and it booted back up, so that is good. I did notice that the dansguardian configuration thing didn't work in Kubuntu. I don't think that Dan's Guardian is working either. There seemed like there were a lot of errors. Hopefully this will be helpfull. Here is what happened:

sudo ./convert_me
Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release.gpg [191B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Sources
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg [189B]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/restricted Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/restricted Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/universe Sources
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Sources
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Reading package lists... Done
mv: cannot move `.backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png' to `/usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.splash_screens/ubuntu-slick.png' to `/usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-slick.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.gdm/screenshot.png' to `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/screenshot.png': No such file or directory
mv: cannot move `.gdm/ubuntu.png' to `/usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu.png': No such file or directory
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
gnomesword is already the newest version.
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Building dependency tree... Done
sword-text-web is already the newest version.
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Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
sword-text-sparv is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/sword/modules/texts/ztext/drc': File exists
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/drc.conf': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzs': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzv': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/nt.bzz': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzs': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzv': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `.gnomesword/DRC/ot.bzz': No such file or directory
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam libclamav1 libesmtp5
Suggested packages:
unrar lha clamav-docs squid
Recommended packages:
arj unzoo
The following NEW packages will be installed:
clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam dansguardian libclamav1 libesmtp5
0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4682kB/5116kB of archives.
After unpacking 7782kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe clamav-freshclam 0.88.2-1ubuntu1 [4297kB]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe clamav 0.88.2-1ubuntu1 [65.7kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe libesmtp5 1.0.3-1 [51.9kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe dansguardian 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1 [267kB]
Fetched 3557kB in 1m14s (47.7kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 6 during global destruction.
Preconfiguring packages ...
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 4.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 7.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 10.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 13.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN7> line 16.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84.
Selecting previously deselected package libclamav1.
(Reading database ... 82747 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libclamav1 (from .../libclamav1_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package clamav-base.
Unpacking clamav-base (from .../clamav-base_0.88.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package clamav-freshclam.
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Selecting previously deselected package clamav.
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Selecting previously deselected package libesmtp5.
Unpacking libesmtp5 (from .../libesmtp5_1.0.3-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package dansguardian.
Unpacking dansguardian (from .../dansguardian_2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up libclamav1 (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...

Setting up clamav-base (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
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Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
Adding system user `clamav'...
Adding new group `clamav' (114).
Adding new user `clamav' (114) with group `clamav'.
Not creating home directory `/var/lib/clamav'.
dpkg: error processing clamav-base (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav-freshclam:
clamav-freshclam depends on clamav-base (= 0.88.2-1ubuntu1); however:
Package clamav-base is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing clamav-freshclam (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of clamav:
clamav depends on clamav-freshclam | clamav-data; however:
Package clamav-freshclam is not configured yet.
Package clamav-data is not installed.
Package clamav-freshclam which provides clamav-data is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing clamav (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up libesmtp5 (1.0.3-1) ...

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dansguardian:
dansguardian depends on clamav; however:
Package clamav is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
clamav-base
clamav-freshclam
clamav
dansguardian
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
tinyproxy
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
4 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 65.8kB of archives.
After unpacking 238kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe tinyproxy 1.6.3-3 [65.8kB]
Fetched 65.8kB in 2s (24.9kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
Selecting previously deselected package tinyproxy.
(Reading database ... 83033 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking tinyproxy (from .../tinyproxy_1.6.3-3_i386.deb) ...
Setting up clamav-base (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device

Setting up clamav-freshclam (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 4.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 7.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 10.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 13.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 16.
* Starting ClamAV virus database updater freshclam [ ok ]
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83, <GEN6> line 6.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 84, <GEN6> line 6.

Setting up clamav (0.88.2-1ubuntu1) ...
Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.3.8-1-1) ...
adduser: Warning: The home dir you specified already exists.
Adding system user `dansguardian'...
Adding new group `dansguardian' (115).
Adding new user `dansguardian' (115) with group `dansguardian'.
The home directory `/var/log/dansguardian' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel'
adduser: Warning: that home directory does not belong to the user you are currently creating
DansGuardian has not been configured!
Please edit /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf manually then rerun
this script.

Setting up tinyproxy (1.6.3-3) ...
Starting tinyproxy: tinyproxy.

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Recommended packages:
modutils
The following NEW packages will be installed:
firehol
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 160kB of archives.
After unpacking 811kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe firehol 1.231-4 [160kB]
Fetched 160kB in 3s (40.3kB/s)
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
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Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
Selecting previously deselected package firehol.
(Reading database ... 83056 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking firehol (from .../firehol_1.231-4_all.deb) ...
Setting up firehol (1.231-4) ...

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
dansguardian is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
Major opcode: 145
Minor opcode: 3
Resource id: 0x0
Failed to open device
Stopping DansGuardian: dansguardian.
Starting DansGuardian: Error connecting to parent proxy
invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
fakeroot gambas-doc gambas-gb-compress gambas-gb-db gambas-gb-db-mysql gambas-gb-db-postgresql gambas-gb-db-sqlite gambas-gb-debug
gambas-gb-eval gambas-gb-net gambas-gb-net-curl gambas-gb-qt gambas-gb-qt-editor gambas-gb-qt-ext gambas-gb-sdl gambas-gb-vb gambas-gb-xml
gambas-runtime libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmpeg0
The following NEW packages will be installed:
fakeroot gambas gambas-doc gambas-gb-compress gambas-gb-db gambas-gb-db-mysql gambas-gb-db-postgresql gambas-gb-db-sqlite gambas-gb-debug
gambas-gb-eval gambas-gb-net gambas-gb-net-curl gambas-gb-qt gambas-gb-qt-editor gambas-gb-qt-ext gambas-gb-sdl gambas-gb-vb gambas-gb-xml
gambas-runtime libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmpeg0
0 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4981kB/5180kB of archives.
After unpacking 24.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main fakeroot 1.5.6ubuntu2 [93.8kB]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-runtime 1.0.13-2 [93.9kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt 1.0.13-2 [169kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt-ext 1.0.13-2 [49.8kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-eval 1.0.13-2 [20.1kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-qt-editor 1.0.13-2 [64.3kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe gambas-gb-net-curl 1.0.13-2 [16.1kB]
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Shane

Hi Shane,
Thanks for letting me know what happened. I am not sure at all what all the errors were, but we can definitely say that the convert script should only be used to convert from Ubuntu. :)

Thanks for being the guinnee pig.

Jereme

[mhancoc7]

I am considering including Automatix (http://www.getautomatix.com/) in the next release of Ubuntu CE.

The only reason that I am concerned about this is because one of the things that can be installed with Automatix (http://www.getautomatix.com/) is Non-Free codecs. These are essential for DVD playback and such, but are illegal in the US without paying a fee.

Now Automatix (http://www.getautomatix.com/) makes this very clear so the responsibility is left up to the user. In my opinion that is enough. I mean Automatix (http://www.getautomatix.com/) also installs lots of perfectly legal software that could make Ubuntu CE even better.

I would love to hear what you all think.

I have also posted a poll at the Ubuntu CE Development Forum (http://forums.churchforge.net/viewtopic.php?t=106) for those interested.

God Bless, Jereme

[pneaveill]

I run automitix on my computer (here in the USA), only without those drivers installed. I agree this is a wise thing to add to the release.

[mhancoc7]

I run automitix on my computer (here in the USA), only without those drivers installed. I agree this is a wise thing to add to the release.

I am testing it now. The only problem I am having is with the GPG key.

I just think it would be nice so users new to Linux could get things going that much quicker.

Jereme

[audioboxer217]

If you can install automatix without the parts that make it illegal like pneaveill did.I run automitix on my computer (here in the USA), only without those drivers installed...
Then I think it would be a very usefull addition to Ubuntu CE

[mhancoc7]

If you can install automatix without the parts that make it illegal like pneaveill did.
Then I think it would be a very usefull addition to Ubuntu CE

Well what I can do is install Automatix to Ubuntu CE. It will be up to the end user to choose to not install the things that are illegal. Like I said Automatix makes it very obvious what could be illegal.

The good news is that I was able to get it installed. So once I get a better idea about everyone's feelings on it I will decide whether or not to include it in the next release.

I have also added some screenshots to the project page for those interested.
Click Here to View Screenshots (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/08/ubuntu-christian-edition-screenshots.html)

Thanks, Jereme

[shane2peru]

Well what I can do is install Automatix to Ubuntu CE. It will be up to the end user to choose to not install the things that are illegal. Like I said Automatix makes it very obvious what could be illegal.

The good news is that I was able to get it installed. So once I get a better idea about everyone's feelings on it I will decide whether or not to include it in the next release.

I have also added some screenshots to the project page for those interested.
Click Here to View Screenshots (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/08/ubuntu-christian-edition-screenshots.html)

Thanks, Jereme

Wow, I just tried the Automatix, and it is really nice. (I re-installed with Ub. CE) It is very clear what you are not allowed to install. So it would be up to the end user. I think it is a very nice addition to Ubuntu CE. I used EasyUbuntu before, and it was not as clear to me what I was not allowed to install. Automatix has many more choices to install, and is very clear about what you shouldn't install. 1st class, nice addition to CE.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Wow, I just tried the Automatix, and it is really nice. (I re-installed with Ub. CE) It is very clear what you are not allowed to install. So it would be up to the end user. I think it is a very nice addition to Ubuntu CE. I used EasyUbuntu before, and it was not as clear to me what I was not allowed to install. Automatix has many more choices to install, and is very clear about what you shouldn't install. 1st class, nice addition to CE.

Shane

Thanks,
That is exactly how I feel. So far the reaction is about 50/50. I think it would be awesome. I am also considering creating a GUI to install only legal additional software, but I really don't like reinventing the wheel. I think Automatix is a "must have" and it is very clear what things could be legally problematic.
Jereme

[mhancoc7]

I have been working on what will be the next release. It will not be ready for a while. I plan to take my time with it. Plus I start back to work tomorrow so my time will be more limited.

Anyway here are some the latest changes and developments:

Gnucash will be included in the next release.
A simple "Today's Verse Dialog" added.
New Ubuntu CE Installer.

The Ubuntu CE installer is my favorite addition. It is a simple GUI to install various Educational and Christian programs. I know that all of these programs can be installed through the other built in means of installation. However, I wanted a simple GUI to focus on Christian and Educational software. This also allows for more "additions" to Ubuntu CE without needing more space!

The Ubuntu CE will also replace the "Restore Default Ubuntu Programs" that was added to v1.1 to restore the programs that were removed to maintain the 700mb disk size.

Here is a screenshot of the GUI. It is not finished yet, but I wanted to give you all a peak.

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer.png

I would love to hear what you all think.

Thanks, Jereme

[PenguinMan]

Looks great, Jereme. :)

[cjm5229]

Jereme
Looks Great, I like the idea of including Automatix also. I believe I read somewhere that those "Illegal Codecs" are only illegal if you don't own a legal copy of Windows. I don't know if that means you actually have to have it installed or not. But the legal codecs available now will play just about anything anyway.
God Bless You.

[BCCZeus]

I am a Christian and I think this is a great idea as I've already recommended Ubuntu to many people. A Christian version would save a lot of time for private schools, churches and such. Great effort, nice work and God Bless!

[pneaveill]

Would be really good if you could find that link again -- IMHO. Gets me excited.

[mhancoc7]

Jereme
Looks Great, I like the idea of including Automatix also. I believe I read somewhere that those "Illegal Codecs" are only illegal if you don't own a legal copy of Windows. I don't know if that means you actually have to have it installed or not. But the legal codecs available now will play just about anything anyway.
God Bless You.

I am a Christian and I think this is a great idea as I've already recommended Ubuntu to many people. A Christian version would save a lot of time for private schools, churches and such. Great effort, nice work and God Bless!

Looks great, Jereme. :)


Thanks to you all. It is awesome to see the support.

Would be really good if you could find that link again -- IMHO. Gets me excited.

Whick link are you referring to? :confused:

Jereme

[pneaveill]

Was referring to CJM's comment about the codec stuff. Sorry for any miscommunications.

[mhancoc7]

Was referring to CJM's comment about the codec stuff. Sorry for any miscommunications.

Oh, ok. Yes, I would love to have a link to that documentation as well.
Jereme

[mhancoc7]

Ok, I have been working like crazy on the Ubuntu Christian Edition Installer. I have updated the GUI to include button icons for each as suggested by Cody.

I have also taken a look under the hood of Automatix. I have been able to incorporate a lot of the same code into the UCE installer. :D

The "Advanced Installer" button opens Synaptic.

Here are the screenshots:

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer.png

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer2.png

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer1.png

Let me know what you all think.

Jereme

[Lord Illidan]

Looks very good, mhancoc7.

What about some more apps and screenshots?

[greatmetal]

Hmmm Ubuntu "Vegetarian Edition"...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189509

[pneaveill]

Ok, I have been working like crazy on the Ubuntu Christian Edition Installer. I have updated the GUI to include button icons for each as suggested by Cody.

I have also taken a look under the hood of Automatix. I have been able to incorporate a lot of the same code into the UCE installer. :D

The "Advanced Installer" button opens Synaptic.

Here are the screenshots:

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer.png

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer2.png

http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots/uce_installer1.png

Let me know what you all think.

Jereme
Lot of hardwork all around. THanks.

Meanwhile: any input on the gnomesword ?

[cjm5229]

Oh, ok. Yes, I would love to have a link to that documentation as well.
Jereme

I would love to give a link except that I really can't remember where I read it. It has been a while, and I can't remember if I read it in Ubuntuforums, or Linuxquestions.org, or just a website somewhere. But as I remember it, it was something about if you own a legal copy of Windows you are licensed to use the codecs that come with it. Maybe check the Windows EULA, if someone can understand what it says:rolleyes:. It's beyond this truck drivers understanding:confused:. Of course being a truck driver in the USA I have learned that no matter how much you think you are following the law there are so many contradictory ones that chances are you are breaking at least one. :D
God Bless You.

[mhancoc7]

Looks very good, mhancoc7.

What about some more apps and screenshots?

I am going to be doing some more coding tonight. I will try to get some more screenshots out soon. As far as apps, I would love to get some suggestions from you all. One problem is that there are not that many Christian Linux programs. I would have added Gnucash to the Church section since it would be useful for Church admin, but it is going to be included in the next release.

So if anyone knows of Christian, Educational, or other programs that should/could be added to the installer just let me know. The great thing about the installer is that it can grow as the number of Christian linux programs grow.


Hmmm Ubuntu "Vegetarian Edition"...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189509

:confused:

Lot of hardwork all around. THanks.

Meanwhile: any input on the gnomesword ?

Thanks, it is really a lot of fun putting it together. I am learning so much. It is kinda like a learning growth spurt.

What input on gnomesword do you mean? It is already included and comes with several modules. I do plan to add more modules to the installer too.

Jereme

[aysiu]

Were you ever able to get OpenSong to work?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensong/

[mhancoc7]

Were you ever able to get OpenSong to work?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensong/

No, I actually have not tested it yet.

I think I am going to take a small step back from a few things. I am probably not going to include Automatix in the next version. I am also going to only add software that is available from the Ubuntu repos, or is at least been accepted by the Ubuntu team as a Ubuntu "safe" package.

I was really excited about adding Automatix, and I may one day, but for now that is on the back burner.

I am still going to pursue my Ubuntu CE Installer. I think it is one of the things that is going to really make the distro different. I mean an installer that has an easy to use GUI and is focused on apps for the core audience of Ubuntu CE or apps suggested by users/supporters of the project. I think this will be very useful to linux newbies as well.

Jereme

[pneaveill]

What input on gnomesword do you mean? It is already included and comes with several modules. I do plan to add more modules to the installer too.

Jereme
The gnomesword "expansion" project from your webiste. Anyway, was wondering if anyone here had more ideas with it or should we discuss that on your site?

Paul

[mhancoc7]

The gnomesword "expansion" project from your webiste. Anyway, was wondering if anyone here had more ideas with it or should we discuss that on your site?

Paul

Oh, ok. Well, I don't really know what is going on with that. I have been pretty busy with Ubuntu CE. I am not sure how much help I would be in that area anyway. I am hoping that some with more technical knowledge can do some nice things with gnomesword though.

God Bless, Jereme

[shane2peru]

Ok, small problem with Dan's Guardian and tiny proxy. I'm using Ubuntu Christian Edition (Latested and greatest). I have been using it for a while. After a while surfing the web got really, really - extremely slow! I mean it took about 30-45 seconds to load most pages, even Google, and my.yahoo.com (Home page). I'm using high speed DSL, I don't know the exact speed, but it is very fast. I use wireless. All these things worked fine before with Kubuntu, and Ubuntu. Now, often in firefox, I get a tinyproxy cache error. After tinkering with the settings it didn't speed anything up. I figured it was a cache setting problem. As a last resort, I uninstalled Dan's Guardian, Tinyproxy. Rebooted, and no internet. I uninstalled clamav via (sudo apt-get remove blah blah) . Rebooted, and still no internet, on Windows, no problem. I tried sudo apt-get install dansguardian tinyproxy clamav clamtk and got nothing -(Of course, no internet!) I really feel like it is a problem with Dan's Guardian, and tinyproxy, and not my network settings, and internet speeds. What can I do? (besides re-install). Thanks for the help!

Shane

[pneaveill]

Bad news: As mhancoc7 (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=7727) (or someone else) explained it to me, dansguardian is sort of built into UCE.

Good News: Somewhere there is a cutesy little workaround that allows you to adjust certain things with it. Once I made those adjustments, I was ok.

More bad news (sorry): The problem is that I cannot find that info, so I will appeal to mhancoc7 (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=7727) for further help.

[tonhou]

Shane:

I have the "CE Parent Controls" script installed on Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu without issue. I also have manually installed the same setup on Edubuntu (without gui controls) also without issue - this latter for many months.

However I don't have a current install of Ubuntu Christian Edition 1.1. I will put it on a spare partition and test to see if there is any slow down such as you are experiencing.

--Tony

[mhancoc7]

Ok, small problem with Dan's Guardian and tiny proxy. I'm using Ubuntu Christian Edition (Latested and greatest). I have been using it for a while. After a while surfing the web got really, really - extremely slow! I mean it took about 30-45 seconds to load most pages, even Google, and my.yahoo.com (Home page). I'm using high speed DSL, I don't know the exact speed, but it is very fast. I use wireless. All these things worked fine before with Kubuntu, and Ubuntu. Now, often in firefox, I get a tinyproxy cache error. After tinkering with the settings it didn't speed anything up. I figured it was a cache setting problem. As a last resort, I uninstalled Dan's Guardian, Tinyproxy. Rebooted, and no internet. I uninstalled clamav via (sudo apt-get remove blah blah) . Rebooted, and still no internet, on Windows, no problem. I tried sudo apt-get install dansguardian tinyproxy clamav clamtk and got nothing -(Of course, no internet!) I really feel like it is a problem with Dan's Guardian, and tinyproxy, and not my network settings, and internet speeds. What can I do? (besides re-install). Thanks for the help!

Shane

Wow, I am not sure to be honest. I am of course running Ubuntu CE with no problems. It does sound like a cache issue with tinyproxy since your are getting the tinyproxy errors. You could try to use the upgrade_me script that is on the project page. It will reinstall everything that is in v1.1 and do the setup for dansguardian to work. I would uninstall dansguardian, tinyproxy, firehol, and clamav then run the script. If all goes well great. Then you can try it for a while and see if you still have the same issue. If so you may want to tweak the dansguardian conf files using the GUI that is built in Applications > Administration > Configure Parental Controls. You can also check the dansguardian.conf file in /etc/dansguardian. Here is the link for the upgrade_me script (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/upgrade-to-latest-version-of-ubuntu.html).
Please let me know how this goes and thank you for letting me know.


Bad news: As mhancoc7 (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=7727) (or someone else) explained it to me, dansguardian is sort of built into UCE.

Good News: Somewhere there is a cutesy little workaround that allows you to adjust certain things with it. Once I made those adjustments, I was ok.

More bad news (sorry): The problem is that I cannot find that info, so I will appeal to mhancoc7 (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=7727) for further help.

The GUI is built into Ubuntu CE v1.1, but can be added to v1.0 with the upgrade_me script (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/upgrade-to-latest-version-of-ubuntu.html) or to default Ubuntu witht he convert_me script (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/convert-to-latest-version-of-ubuntu.html).

Shane:

I have the "CE Parent Controls" script installed on Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu without issue. I also have manually installed the same setup on Edubuntu (without gui controls) also without issue - this latter for many months.

However I don't have a current install of Ubuntu Christian Edition 1.1. I will put it on a spare partition and test to see if there is any slow down such as you are experiencing.

--Tony

Awesome, please keep me posted on the results. I want to be sure to catch this early if it does turn out to be a major issue.

God Bless, Jereme

[shane2peru]

Cache Error!
The following error has occured: tinyproxy was unable to connect to the remote web server. Generated by tinyproxy (1.6.3)

This is the error I just got when trying to reply to this message. It took 22.165 seconds to load this page. I have started to become accustom to clicking on a page, then switch to email and read & write a few emails and return to web surfing. I was able to get it installed again via apt-cdrom. However my problem is not fixed. I also tried editing the config files from the system menu, however I really don't have that good of an understanding of them. Any help would be appreciated. If I uninstall them I loss all web, and am not able to run the script because it downloads things from the web. I may be able to give it a try, but I really would rather fix my configuration. Thanks!

Shane

[shane2peru]

Ok, it was firehol, I didn't realize that was installed last time. I uninstalled it with the rest and I have internet. And, this page loaded in 3.669 seconds!!! Wow that is fast. I used synaptic, and completely removed the packages, that means there configurations should be gone too - and by theory the problem too. Now if I re-install via the scripts everything should work again like normal. That is a weird problem though. I will run the script and see what happens. Thanks for the help!

Shane

Ps - ok after running the script, I'm back to slow web. To load www.ubuntuforums.org took 15 seconds, to search the forum for 'Christian Ubuntu' took 9 seconds. Clicking on the link that brings up this page took 43 seconds!!!

[mhancoc7]

Ok, it was firehol, I didn't realize that was installed last time. I uninstalled it with the rest and I have internet. And, this page loaded in 3.669 seconds!!! Wow that is fast. I used synaptic, and completely removed the packages, that means there configurations should be gone too - and by theory the problem too. Now if I re-install via the scripts everything should work again like normal. That is a weird problem though. I will run the script and see what happens. Thanks for the help!

Shane

Ps - ok after running the script, I'm back to slow web. To load www.ubuntuforums.org (http://www.ubuntuforums.org) took 15 seconds, to search the forum for 'Christian Ubuntu' took 9 seconds. Clicking on the link that brings up this page took 43 seconds!!!

I am really stumped on this one. Did you install Ubuntu CE from the .iso or did you run the script to "convert" to Ubuntu CE originally? I am running it fine and have tested it quite a bit with no internet problems. The only pages that load slow for me are the ones that are going to get blocked. I am very sorry that you are having difficulties. Are there any other changes to the default Ubuntu CE configuration that you have done? This will obviously be watched and tested closely.
Thanks, Jereme

[shane2peru]

I am really stumped on this one. Did you install Ubuntu CE from the .iso or did you run the script to "convert" to Ubuntu CE originally? I am running it fine and have tested it quite a bit with no internet problems. The only pages that load slow for me are the ones that are going to get blocked. I am very sorry that you are having difficulties. Are there any other changes to the default Ubuntu CE configuration that you have done? This will obviously be watched and tested closely.
Thanks, Jereme

There is nothing to be sorry for. I installed from the iso. The only other things that I have done, is install Automatix, and several of the programs from that site. I also edited the dansguardian config file. I searched for cache to see what cahce problems could have been created. I switched the urlcache=2000 to 0 and same with the urlage. I figured maybe that had something to do with the problem. I also installed fasterfox extension for Firefox, and made sure my ipv6 thing was set to true (from another post). I will continue to monitor my internet speed.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

There is nothing to be sorry for. I installed from the iso. The only other things that I have done, is install Automatix, and several of the programs from that site. I also edited the dansguardian config file. I searched for cache to see what cahce problems could have been created. I switched the urlcache=2000 to 0 and same with the urlage. I figured maybe that had something to do with the problem. I also installed fasterfox extension for Firefox, and made sure my ipv6 thing was set to true (from another post). I will continue to monitor my internet speed.

Shane

Thanks, I just don't like it when people have trouble with my work. I am hoping we can isolate what is going on. It is so wierd, because I am having no troubles at all and there have not been any other reports. Well hopefully we will figure it out.
Thanks, Jereme

[mhancoc7]

@shane2peru

I think I may have just found an answer to your issue.

Here is the link to the page that I found it.
http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/2006_05_07_seanmcgrath_archive.html#11469995570359 5713

Here is the text from the comment that may have the answer:

FWIW...I think I know why your tinyproxy was very slow and then got quick again. It's likely related to resolv.conf and whatever DNS servers you're trying to resolve from.

In my case, things were nice and quick when I first started using tinyproxy in June. Then my ISP started screwing with the DNS servers it was assigning via DHCP (to the WAN interface on routers, etc.). tinyproxy slowed to a crawl. As soon as I manually assigned "good" (i.e. the old, original DNS servers I was being assigned by the ISP) things kicked right back up to full speed. YMMV.

Let me know how it goes.

God Bless, Jereme

[pneaveill]

Jereme
Sorry, but I am having enough trouble on my main machine quite similar to the others in the post here.

Not sure how much of this will help, but I did the convert script when it was first released. I had some intial problems, but that may have been just getting used to the software and such. Then, the other day I did the UCE upgrade to latest version and is messed up badly enough that it refuses to see the internet or much else.

My wife is "less than happy" she cannot get to the internet. Please help.

Paul

P.S. Is there a way to revert it back to plain ubuntu until this is resolved?

[shane2peru]

Jereme
Sorry, but I am having enough trouble on my main machine quite similar to the others in the post here.

Not sure how much of this will help, but I did the convert script when it was first released. I had some intial problems, but that may have been just getting used to the software and such. Then, the other day I did the UCE upgrade to latest version and is messed up badly enough that it refuses to see the internet or much else.

My wife is "less than happy" she cannot get to the internet. Please help.

Paul

P.S. Is there a way to revert it back to plain ubuntu until this is resolved?
23 Hours Ago 08:03 AM

Paul,

To uninstall the dans guardian try:


sudo apt-get remove dansguardian firehol tinyproxy clamav clamtk


That should get you connected again to the internet.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Jereme
Sorry, but I am having enough trouble on my main machine quite similar to the others in the post here.

Not sure how much of this will help, but I did the convert script when it was first released. I had some intial problems, but that may have been just getting used to the software and such. Then, the other day I did the UCE upgrade to latest version and is messed up badly enough that it refuses to see the internet or much else.

My wife is "less than happy" she cannot get to the internet. Please help.

Paul

P.S. Is there a way to revert it back to plain ubuntu until this is resolved?

Sorry, you can easily revert back by uninstalling dansguardian, firehol, clamav, and tinyproxy. You will also want to remove the folders and launcher for the GUI.

/usr/local/apps/parental-control
/usr/share/applications/Configure Parental Controls

You may need to reboot after to be sure, but that should remove all traces of Dansguardian/GUI.

Did you check the post out from the previous post? It gives some info about internet speed and Dansguardian.

Let me know if you have any troubles.

Jereme

[shane2peru]

@shane2peru

I think I may have just found an answer to your issue.

Here is the link to the page that I found it.
http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/2006_05_07_seanmcgrath_archive.html#11469995570359 5713

Here is the text from the comment that may have the answer:



Let me know how it goes.

God Bless, Jereme

Jereme,

I have been traveling and staying at a friends place, so I won't mess with the DNS or static IP for now. I have been here over a week, and am heading home in a day or two. I will re-install Dan's Guardian and see how it goes with my regular setup. For most people this shouldn't be an issue. For me I travel quite a bit, so that very well may be the issue the dns. To set a static IP I need more information that I have most times. Things have run smoothly without it, I will let you know when I get back to my regular setup how things work there. Thanks for the help.

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Jereme,

I have been traveling and staying at a friends place, so I won't mess with the DNS or static IP for now. I have been here over a week, and am heading home in a day or two. I will re-install Dan's Guardian and see how it goes with my regular setup. For most people this shouldn't be an issue. For me I travel quite a bit, so that very well may be the issue the dns. To set a static IP I need more information that I have most times. Things have run smoothly without it, I will let you know when I get back to my regular setup how things work there. Thanks for the help.

Shane

Thanks,
Let me know how it goes. This is definitely a Dansguardian/Tinyproxy issue because the UCE distro doesn't do anything different than installing it on regular Ubuntu. I need to isolate these issues so I can let others know how to fix it.
Thanks, Jereme

[fezzik]

I think this is great. I had no idea there were christian programs out there for Linux. I think I had found a KJV digital Bible thing but nothing really else. The purpose of loading all this instead of just letting people download them themselves is like he said for churches and people that don't have internet or are still using dial up. It would be a pain to try to download these things without broadband. I like the tux you have. With the fish over the ubuntu symbol. I would love this.

[pneaveill]

Sorry, you can easily revert back by uninstalling dansguardian, firehol, clamav, and tinyproxy. You will also want to remove the folders and launcher for the GUI.

/usr/local/apps/parental-control
/usr/share/applications/Configure Parental Controls

You may need to reboot after to be sure, but that should remove all traces of Dansguardian/GUI. Got it

Did you check the post out from the previous post? It gives some info about internet speed and Dansguardian. Yes

Let me know if you have any troubles.

Jereme
Computer has internet -- thanks

[mhancoc7]

Got it

Yes


Computer has internet -- thanks

Great! Hopefully we can get this sorted out.
Jereme

[Matthew Bartram]

Whew that was quite a read! Have you thought about doing shipit free cds with the christian edition? That I expect would also help people accept it who are wary of non-windows software. With the properly mastered CD and the print on the back, it looks less like something some friendly chap in the church concocted and will probably take weeks to understand. And more like something possible to use.

Having said that I don't know what costs that might incur etc.

[Kilz]

Hi mhancoc7's
Sounds like a fantastic idea. :KS One that is needed. The school at my church uses Windows 98. I am going to pass along a CD to the person responsible for them. Since they don't have an active Internet connection the live CD is perfect.

[montgoej]

As a Christian I believe that this project is fantastic. At my church we use Windows only because it came with the computers, but it ALWAYS has problems and issues, so hopefully we will find this useful. A lot of people I know that us Windows XP would use Linux if they could find software like Gnomesword(which I only recently became aware of). I am willing to help with the development in any way I can, just PM me.
Thanks,
montgoej

[mhancoc7]

Whew that was quite a read! Have you thought about doing shipit free cds with the christian edition? That I expect would also help people accept it who are wary of non-windows software. With the properly mastered CD and the print on the back, it looks less like something some friendly chap in the church concocted and will probably take weeks to understand. And more like something possible to use.

Having said that I don't know what costs that might incur etc.

Well, I simply do not have the funds for that. I agree it would be nice. I have given the visitors to the project site a link to the Ubuntu ShipIt page so if they want a disk they can still get one. I of course explained what they will be receiving.


Hi mhancoc7's
Sounds like a fantastic idea. :KS One that is needed. The school at my church uses Windows 98. I am going to pass along a CD to the person responsible for them. Since they don't have an active Internet connection the live CD is perfect.

Thanks Kilz, I appreciate your support.
Jereme

[dolson]

I am a Christian, but I probably won't use this.

However, I did tell some people about it who don't currently use linux. Maybe they'll want to now, who knows... i will help them out if they do.

[syadnom]

no offense to your religeon intended here but....

religion constantly splinters populations and is a driving factor in world tension and mistrust. why would we(computer users/geeks) EVER choose to further splinter the linux comunity by intoducing religion!!!

as if many distros dont fill that function already with fanatically user bases!

again, not to target christianity or anything like that, but how about:

apt-get install gods-stuff

we dont need an alibuntu and a jesubuntu!

[djheadley]

First, let me say that this is the TECHNICAL discussion related to Ubuntu CE, not a discussion to debate whether it should be done.

Second, if you had read a few posts then you would have seen that some people are still stick on dial-up and a few are using computers that don't have internet connections at all (most of the computers at my church aren't connected because they don't need to be).

Please take your non-technical comments about this project to another thread.

[k|d<FuNkY>FrY]

no offense to your religeon intended here but....

religion constantly splinters populations and is a driving factor in world tension and mistrust. why would we(computer users/geeks) EVER choose to further splinter the linux comunity by intoducing religion!!!

as if many distros dont fill that function already with fanatically user bases!

again, not to target christianity or anything like that, but how about:

apt-get install gods-stuff

we dont need an alibuntu and a jesubuntu!

ignorance constantly splinters populations and is a driving factor in world tension and mistrust. why would we(computer users/geeks) EVER choose to further splinter the linux comunity by intoducing ignorance!!!

God Bless!

[marytgras]

I really believe that this unique thread deserves it's own separate forum...
that is all, somewhere along with the special interest ubuntu forums.

[mhancoc7]

why would we(computer users/geeks) EVER choose to further splinter the linux comunity by intoducing religion!!!


Well, what about me I am a "computer user/geek" do I not deserve the same right to enjoy the freedoms of OSS as any other member of the Linux community. I mean when you make statements like that it makes me feel like you are excluding me. I am only creating something for a niche market. I am amazed that so many in the name of anti-religion will put common sense and logic to the side to simply bash a fellow Linux users work.

I really believe that this unique thread deserves it's own separate forum...
that is all, somewhere along with the special interest ubuntu forums.

Yes, I agree. I have already requested a sub-forum and I am awaiting the forum leaders decision.

Thanks, Jereme

[raid996]

Ok, first of alla I want to say THANK YOU, this project is just a blessing for me because I have kinda become the PC fixing brother in my church and all the times I reinstall some PC introducing linux I have to spend tons of time just adding and removing software to acheive a Christian optimized configuration.
I thought too of your project but just dont have the knowledge yet to do it, thanks really.

Anyway, I live in Italy and speak fluently 4 languages (italian, spanish, french and italian). I also have a couple of servers (the church server too) that I can have at your disposal for file allocation and bandwith (I have unlimited free space, wish I could have seen this project before).

I would really like to help out in anyway that I can with UbuntuCE, also at translating if its needed or just about anything else. I'll strat distributing it asap (have 2 pc's from church brothers to fix).

Thanks man, and God bless you!!

[mhancoc7]

Ok, first of alla I want to say THANK YOU, this project is just a blessing for me because I have kinda become the PC fixing brother in my church and all the times I reinstall some PC introducing linux I have to spend tons of time just adding and removing software to acheive a Christian optimized configuration.
I thought too of your project but just dont have the knowledge yet to do it, thanks really.

Anyway, I live in Italy and speak fluently 4 languages (italian, spanish, french and italian). I also have a couple of servers (the church server too) that I can have at your disposal for file allocation and bandwith (I have unlimited free space, wish I could have seen this project before).

I would really like to help out in anyway that I can with UbuntuCE, also at translating if its needed or just about anything else. I'll strat distributing it asap (have 2 pc's from church brothers to fix).

Thanks man, and God bless you!!

Thank you for your support. I am glad that the project is of use to you.

Also thank you for your willingness to help. Just send me a PM and we can discuss it further.

God Bless, Jereme

[KiwiNZ]

test

[handy]

Freedom of choice.
Freedom to create.

I wish you all the best Jereme.

I'm a gnostic, by the way... :KS

[mhancoc7]

Freedom of choice.
Freedom to create.

I wish you all the best Jereme.

I'm a gnostic, by the way... :KS

Thanks, Jereme

[shane2peru]

Thanks,
Let me know how it goes. This is definitely a Dansguardian/Tinyproxy issue because the UCE distro doesn't do anything different than installing it on regular Ubuntu. I need to isolate these issues so I can let others know how to fix it.
Thanks, Jereme

Jereme,

Ok, seems to be running great here on my normal setup. I don't ever have to wait more than 15 secs for a page, and most times not even that long. This internet connection is not as fast, so it hence the longer times. Just wanted to keep you posted. I have everything installed, and run normal! Thanks for all the work you have put into this!

Shane

[mhancoc7]

Jereme,

Ok, seems to be running great here on my normal setup. I don't ever have to wait more than 15 secs for a page, and most times not even that long. This internet connection is not as fast, so it hence the longer times. Just wanted to keep you posted. I have everything installed, and run normal! Thanks for all the work you have put into this!

Shane

Thanks for letting me know. I am glad things seem to be doing better. Dansguardian does slow things down a bit, but not as much as you were experienceing before.
God Bless, Jereme

[1oki]

sigh... Now I'm not a religious person... But I also don't look down on people who are religious! I believe we should all be happy with life and live without persecution to our beliefs... with that said, and looking at the long list of replies to this thread... tell me again why you want a "Christian" geared distro? I don't understand why it has to be religious at all... Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to stop! By all means go for it, as long as you don't try to push it on people (which I don't think anyone here will). Just wondering the rational behind it. cheers

l

p.s. I was raised catholic so i know my religion ;)

[Redcard]

sigh... Now I'm not a religious person... But I also don't look down on people who are religious! I believe we should all be happy with life and live without persecution to our beliefs... with that said, and looking at the long list of replies to this thread... tell me again why you want a "Christian" geared distro? I don't understand why it has to be religious at all... Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to stop! By all means go for it, as long as you don't try to push it on people (which I don't think anyone here will). Just wondering the rational behind it. cheers

l

p.s. I was raised catholic so i know my religion ;)

The rational reasoning has been given multiple times in all of the threads associated with this. You just have to weed through the harassing comments to find them.

Seriously, why do people care this much. It's still Ubuntu.

[mhancoc7]

sigh... Now I'm not a religious person... But I also don't look down on people who are religious! I believe we should all be happy with life and live without persecution to our beliefs... with that said, and looking at the long list of replies to this thread... tell me again why you want a "Christian" geared distro? I don't understand why it has to be religious at all... Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to stop! By all means go for it, as long as you don't try to push it on people (which I don't think anyone here will). Just wondering the rational behind it. cheers

l

p.s. I was raised catholic so i know my religion ;)

Well, there are a lot of reasons that I decided to do this. Here is the most concise. It is on the FAQ page on the project site.

Q: Why should I use the Ubuntu Christian Edition if I can install the same software to the default Ubuntu?

A: The concept behind the Ubuntu Christian Edition is not to deviate from the Ubuntu community. It is intended to draw a larger Christian base to the already thriving community of Ubuntu users. The Ubuntu Christian Edition simply makes it easier for Christians who are new to Linux to see the power of Ubuntu combined with the added benefit of having the best available Linux Christian software pre-installed.

Thanks, Jereme

[antini]

I've added a .metalink (http://www.metalinker.org) for the Ubuntu CE 1.1 ISO at http://www.metalinker.org/samples.html#isos

This is an XML format used by download managers that lists mirrors and checksums. You can prioritize certain mirrors, but I just set the primary to 100 and others to 90. It can also include torrents, ed2k, and magnet links.

aria2 (http://aria2.sourceforge.net) is a good command line client for metalink.


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<metalink version="3.0" generator="Metalink Generator v1.00.0034" xmlns="http://www.metalinker.org/">
<publisher>
<name>Ubuntu Christian Edition</name>
<url>http://www.christianubuntu.com/</url>
</publisher>
<description>Ubuntu Christian Edition is a free, open source operating system geared towards Christians. It is based on the popular Ubuntu Linux. Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support.</description>
<files>
<file name="Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso">
<version>1.1</version>
<os>Linux-x86</os>
<verification>
<hash type="md5">7579209ba8f20b7766166d254da6daf6</hash>
</verification>
<resources>
<url type="http" preference="100">http://mirror.oc.edu/lfc/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
<url type="http" location="uk" preference="90">http://steeky.com:90/lfc/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
<url type="http" preference="90">http://www.bcchardware.com/files/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
<url type="http" location="uk" preference="90">http://www.christianubuntuukmirror.co.uk/ubuntuce/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
<url type="http" preference="90">http://www.guibuntu-server.org/lfc/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
<url type="http" preference="90">http://www.vulcanyouth.com/files/Ubuntu_6.06_i386_Christian_Edition_v1_1.iso</url>
</resources>
</file>
</files>
</metalink>

[KermitJr]

WHAT?! Are you saying that all these religious, holier than thou people are using stolen, pirated software?.

That has made my day :) I am an Atheist by the way, but good luck on the distro. If you can turn ubuntu religious, there will be an extra million users by next year.

Don't get too excited. Most of them don't have a clue that it's wrong. I usually hear, "Look, I bought this here software. I own it. I'll install it for you to use."

When you take the time to explain it to them, they usually find a legal way... usually by buying what they have. But if you can show them something like Ubuntu CE and they see it works... and its legal... well sometimes that's all it takes.

[Lelek]

I would like to give my opinion on this matter. Do as you wish, create this distro if you think is necessery. But I would insist that it shouldn't have "UBUNTU" in its tittle. I live in Poland where over 90% of people are catholics. And the thing that annoyes my most is the fact that every time any community is doing something good ,fanatics want to label it "Christian" "Catholic". They always butt in.

Ubuntu is just so much more. It connects people with different races ,religions and believes.

Lets asume that your distro will be a great success. Ubuntu will instantly be linked with your religion. This will create a barrier. Everthing in this community will be ruined. People with other believes will try to make Ubuntu Islamic edition , Ubuntu Mormon edition etc.

And Ubuntu is about uniting people not dividing them.

[mhancoc7]

The fact that it is "still ubuntu" is the problem. not everyone likes having their "free" and "open" linux being totted around with a big fat Christian-appoved label on because it reflects differently (read: badly) on the distro. Especiall when the site and logo directly take from Ubuntu.

I'm not trying to stop it or complain about it (too much)... I just think it leaves a bad taste in the mouths of non-christians but then again... "its all about choice"

I would like to give my opinion on this matter. Do as you wish, create this distro if you think is necessery. But I would insist that it shouldn't have "UBUNTU" in its tittle. I live in Poland where over 90% of people are catholics. And the thing that annoyes my most is the fact that every time any community is doing something good ,fanatics want to label it "Christian" "Catholic". They always butt in.

Ubuntu is just so much more. It connects people with different races ,religions and believes.

Lets asume that your distro will be a great success. Ubuntu will instantly be linked with your religion. This will create a barrier. Everthing in this community will be ruined. People with other believes will try to make Ubuntu Islamic edition , Ubuntu Mormon edition etc.

And Ubuntu is about uniting people not dividing them.

I respectfully ask that if you want to discuss the value of this project that you start your own thread in the Backyard. The discussion has been pretty much exhausted. In fact the "rant" thread in the Backyard has been closed because it has really run its course.

The Ubuntu CE project has gained enough support to prove that it is worth pursuing and it will continue.

Thanks, Jereme

[deanlinkous]

I apologize if this has already been asked but why keep the ubuntu name on the project? Is it a official project?

[mhancoc7]

I apologize if this has already been asked but why keep the ubuntu name on the project? Is it a official project?

No it is not an "official" project, however I contacted Canonical before releasing Ubuntu CE and they gave me guidelines which I am following. They thanked me for introducing Ubuntu the the Christian Community. They seem to understand that I am not trying to bring Christian to Linux users, but that I am trying to bring Linux to Christian believers.

Jereme

[deanlinkous]

No it is not an "official" project, however I contacted Canonical before releasing Ubuntu CE and they gave me guidelines which I am following. They thanked me for introducing Ubuntu the the Christian Community. They seem to understand that I am not trying to bring Christian to Linux users, but that I am trying to bring Linux to Christian believers.

Jereme

Interesting! Thanks for the info.
I personally think I would of just went for a add-on type project. Sort of a 'give your ubuntu a blessing' extra cd or something. :D

WOW! I just looked at the screenshots - nice...very nice! I like the colors. Looks good to me. You have my blessing. :biggrin:

[mhancoc7]

... "not trying to bring christianity to linux" ...

WhatWouldJesusDownload.com (http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/)

Thats convincing

Well, if you would take the time to check out the sites you would figure out that WhatWouldJesusDownload.com did not start out as a site specifically for Linux. In fact it still isn't. You should also notice that no where on the site will you find pages like "How to become Christian" or what not. The site is for Christians and those looking for a safe place on the web. It is not intended to be evangelical in nature.

The name WhatWouldJesusDownload.com was chosen mainly because it is catchy and easy to remember.

Again, like I have said to many of those who are bashing my projects, maybe you should look at the sites/projects objectively and check your anti-christian bias at the door.

Jereme

[sfynx]

Great idea!

[aysiu]

You may think I'm being a little nitpicky, but there is actually a difference between the adjectives evangelical and evangelistic:

Evangelical: 1. Also, e‧van‧gel‧ic. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
3. designating Christians, esp. of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.
4. pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ.
5. marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause.
–noun
6. an adherent of evangelical doctrines or a person who belongs to an evangelical church or party. Evangelistic
1. pertaining to evangelists or to preachers of the gospel.
2. evangelical.
3. seeking to evangelize; striving to convert sinners.
4. designed or fitted to evangelize.
5. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the four Evangelists.

[cvmostert]

Hi there,

I think it is a good idea, being christian myself. I know all the programs are easy to install once you have ubuntu installed.. but they are not on the live cd... and if you do not have a internet connection... well in my opinion, a broadband connection... then it is worth it making a christian ubuntu desktop CD.

Ciao

[Denamite]

http://www.openlp.org/en/?q=doc_intro_about

openlp.org is an open source lyrics projection application developed specifically for churches. it's licensed under the GNU General Public License, which means that it is free to use and distribute, and it stays free.

[Matthew Bartram]

But it requires Windows

[cvmostert]

Great!

I have been meaning to PM you. The deb you uploaded before did not want to install. I even tried to install it on my system and it failed to. I have actually found a way to manually add modules during the iso build. It would be nice to have a deb package that would install multiple modules, but if not at least I have a way to do it.:D

Thanks for your work on this.

Jereme

Hi there, I would like to know how you installed the modules, i installed gnomesword and am not albe to install modules... not through crosswire or manually copying the files into folders....
Please help.

Thank you
C

[mhancoc7]

Hi there, I would like to know how you installed the modules, i installed gnomesword and am not albe to install modules... not through crosswire or manually copying the files into folders....
Please help.

Thank you
C

Here is how I added the DRC translation.

Download the DRC module (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/servlet/SwordMod.Verify?modName=DRC&pkgType=raw).
Extract it.

Then I copied the "~/sword/modules/texts/ztext/drc/" folder from the the archive including all of its contents to the "/usr/share/sword/modules/texts/ztext/" folder. Then it should be available in GnomeSword. I do all this with a bash script of course to build the iso.

I hope that helps, Jereme

[cvmostert]

Here is how I added the DRC translation.

Download the DRC module (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/servlet/SwordMod.Verify?modName=DRC&pkgType=raw).
Extract it.

Then I copied the "~/sword/modules/texts/ztext/drc/" folder from the the archive including all of its contents to the "/usr/share/sword/modules/texts/ztext/" folder. Then it should be available in GnomeSword. I do all this with a bash script of course to build the iso.

I hope that helps, Jereme

HI there, i did it that way and the text does not show... wierd.. i will try it agian with some other versions... i tried the International version and the Afrikaans version of the text...

thanks again.
C

[mysticrider92]

WHAT?! Are you saying that all these religious, holier than thou people are using stolen, pirated software?. That has made my day :)

I am a Christian and I and most of the Christians that I know don't consider my/themselves to be "holier than thou" (I don't know if you meant that to be saracastic, but it sounds kind of serious). We are simply forgivin of our sins and are right with God. I am not perfect by any standard.

I really like the Christian Edition by the way. I just switched yesterday.

[photoworx]

Hi all,
I am working on what has been a dream of mine for quite a while. It is a customized Ubuntu LiveCD that is geared towards Christians.

The next step is to find a server to host the .iso. My server simply does not have the capacity. I am humbly asking for someone who is interested in this project to donate some server space for the .iso. If anyone is interested please PM me.

Also if anyone is interested in helping with the development of this project or has suggestions please let me know. I am very excited about this project and would love to get feedback from this wonderful community.

God Bless, Jereme

I think this is a great idea. I am behind you 110%. If you need servers to host the .iso on, let me know. I could probably help with at least that much.

God Bless and Keep up the faith.

Dan

[mhancoc7]

I think this is a great idea. I am behind you 110%. If you need servers to host the .iso on, let me know. I could probably help with at least that much.

God Bless and Keep up the faith.

Dan

Thanks for the kind words of support. Also thank you for your willingness to help. If you would like to host the iso just PM me and we can discuss it.

God Bless, Jereme