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kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 12:46 PM
After reading Stinger's thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2080263) I posted a note here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12336188&postcount=91

But in hindsight I decided that conversation more properly belongs here :)

Just read on the ubuntu-desktop mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2012-October/004018.html):


Seb, I blame the remix idea on you. ;) Anyway, if the GNOME remix
becomes an official flavor, I was hoping to then ask for permission to
include the GNOME3 PPA due to our unique overlap with the flagship
Ubuntu release. It's still a bit of a handicap as I don't think we
could gain that trust if we included things that regressed Unity.

If we don't fork ubuntu-control-center and ubuntu-settings-daemon off
from gnome-control-center, then I don't believe it will be possible to
ship GNOME Shell 3.7/3.8 next cycle. The last two cycles we've shipped
the latest GNOME Shell but with bugs due to incomplete g-c-c/g-s-d
support in Ubuntu (for 12.04 it was http://pad.lv/965921 with keyboard
shortcuts not able to be configured from System Settings and for 12.10
it was 1045914 with a missing keyboard layout status menu). It's a
reasonable guess that for 3.8, the GNOME developers will move
aggressively to kill fallback mode and make optimizations and GNOME
Shell will depend on those newer optimizations.

A big reason for the GNOME remix is to show that you can contribute to
GNOME from Ubuntu. I worry about what happens when most users are
using a different distro than most developers. Shipping an outdated
GNOME means that we have a much less compelling story to tell these
developers.

So once the UDS dust settles I'll ask Jeremy if that means metacity and gnome-panel will be dropped altogether.

Edit: I found this after a bit of googling:

http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-3-8-fallback-mode-the-first-feature-under-discussion/

In one of the later comments Jeremy says:




He means if you don't have working 3D, then Totem won't work.

Now that we have llvmpipe, it doesn't seem like GNOME needs a "fallback mode" for when GNOME Shell won't work. I think gnome-panel should be allowed to continue as GNOME Classic instead of as GNOME Fallback. In other words, getting rid of some of the patches that made it look like GNOME Shell even though most of its users would prefer it look like a polished GNOME 2 desktop.

It sounds like there is also a need for developers to continue updating the code to keep it on par with the latest GTK3 and GNOME 3 code. This is the project the Mate developers should have taken on.


I definitely agree with that sentiment.

I personally hope that plain old metacity survives because I find "classic (no effects)" to run just as efficiently as Lubuntu on lower-end hardware, but it's not a huge deal.

And I've come to really like the new gnome-panel, it "just works" :)

ibjsb4
November 4th, 2012, 02:53 PM
But running 12o4, so its got at least 5 year life span with me.

In future releases, if its done away with; we will just have to build it in :)

kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 03:31 PM
But running 12o4, so its got at least 5 year life span with me.

In future releases, if its done away with; we will just have to build it in :)

In deed, that's why I wrote this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966370

I just wish I could still properly edit it :(

ibjsb4
November 4th, 2012, 03:46 PM
In deed, that's why I wrote this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966370

I just wish I could still properly edit it :(

I thought you already turned that thread into a Wiki.

kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 03:51 PM
I thought you already turned that thread into a Wiki.

Someone else did that ............ I can't wiki :(

The new forum rules make it much harder to share tweaks and such.

kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 04:10 PM
In fact, how hard is that to find in a google search?

How do you find the wiki for Ubuntu Precise Classic (no effects)?

Regardless that goes far off-topic from the intent of this thread .............. maybe we could ask that a discussion be allowed here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48

But I suspect that would be a futile effort :(

ibjsb4
November 4th, 2012, 04:18 PM
The new forum rules make it much harder to share tweaks and such.

I am not aware of these rules.

Your thread has not been closed; it can still be edited. Unless the changes are just to massive and a fresh start is better.

kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 04:35 PM
I am not aware of these rules.

Your thread has not been closed; it can still be edited. Unless the changes are just to massive and a fresh start is better.

You're wrong! Posts can no longer be edited after one week!

I'd have to ask a forum mod to edit it for me.

kansasnoob
November 4th, 2012, 04:41 PM
I'm going to ask one of the mods to remove all of these off-topic posts. This has nothing to do with 12.04, only 13.04 and onward :)

ibjsb4
November 4th, 2012, 05:27 PM
You're wrong! Posts can no longer be edited after one week!

OK! :) Must be one of those new rules your talking about.

Ill leave you with this thought. If you come up with any brainy ideas how two old guys can change the world back to Classic, Im in. PM me :)

ronacc
November 4th, 2012, 06:14 PM
make that 3 old guys:P

cariboo907
November 4th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Closed by request.