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philinux
June 18th, 2012, 02:16 PM
http://iloveubuntu.net/nautilus-352-landed-ubuntu-1210-new-features-and-removals

One particular bit "pathbar/addressbar's item names are automatically shortened by inserting dots in their name".

I raised a bug on this please confirm if you agree.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1014645

Thank goodness for ctrl l.

mc4man
June 18th, 2012, 09:34 PM
It's been sent upstream & hopefully be adjusted (I tend to use location here since adding back the up (parent) button

If it languishes, for self builders this was the commit that caused
http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=79157f5617886401379a724f8c526c430c4876a6

hakermania
June 18th, 2012, 09:46 PM
I can't believe this -_-

mc4man
June 18th, 2012, 10:13 PM
Also gone?? are -
statusbar & twin panes (F3

Can't quite understand removing non default options

(Atm all thumbnails are just generic but that is a bug

ronacc
June 18th, 2012, 10:21 PM
if I'm going have to rebuild half the system from source being careful what patches I include and hacking things as necessary to get a useable system I might as well just do "linux from scratch" .

mc4man
June 18th, 2012, 10:34 PM
Maybe Quantal is really is a form of b (our way or no way (highway

Physics
a. Of or relating to a quantum or a quantized system.
b. Existing in only one of two possible states.
2. Biology Of or designating an all-or-none response or effect:


Edit: doesn't seem to be an context menu option to create a new document either

ronacc
June 18th, 2012, 11:40 PM
the two states I've seen so far are broken and uninstallable .

mc4man
June 18th, 2012, 11:57 PM
The deal with creating an Untitled Document from the context menu > create a new document is you now need to 'activate Templates' by putting something in the/a Templates folder

Though can't figure how to add a 'text' template that doesn't create 2 options to create the same document
(& can actually create 2 empty document files with the same name in the same location

else wise I just created an empty odt file which then activated the option for Empty Document

(like i know WtF a template is anyway...

Ex.

~/Desktop$ ls |grep Untitled
Untitled Document
Untitled Document
Untitled Document 2
Untitled Document 2
Untitled Document 3
Untitled Document 3
Untitled Document 4

VinDSL
June 19th, 2012, 12:18 AM
One particular bit "pathbar/addressbar's item names are automatically shortened by inserting dots in their name".
I never could stand the pathbar/addressbar, e.g. the buttons. I always use the locationbar.

Anyway, I went to dconf and turned the buttons on. OMG!! :shock:

What were they thinking?!?!?!?

Immediately switched back to the locationbar. Hope they don't get rid of that option!

VinDSL
June 19th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Also gone?? twin panes
Now THAT truly stinks!!!

Guess they're trying to copy PacFm (which has tabbed windows now). LoL! :D

ronacc
June 19th, 2012, 12:25 AM
how did the buttons get activated in the first place ? I certainly have never chosen them . Is that another "improvement " ?

mc4man
June 19th, 2012, 12:39 AM
For info sake here are 3 of the option removal commits with short explains

New docu - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=9538d1a640fda650e4866d2cdcc69b9e1cfa3a35

panes- http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=b8d5b4a7bcf47ed34a6343c95bcc3b079255c0a0

status bar - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=676b96d2b7d91cc579bbac6e44d9aafc100e67a2

(on a positive the missing thumbnails was fixed quickly (couple of hr's after filing

VinDSL
June 19th, 2012, 12:41 AM
how did the buttons get activated in the first place ? I certainly have never chosen them . Is that another "improvement " ?
Heh! To turn them off...

vindsl@Zuul:~$ dconf-editor
org ➜ gnome ➜ nautilus ➜ preferences ➜ always-use-location-entry

VinDSL
June 19th, 2012, 12:51 AM
~Cool. Thanks for the links. ;)


panes- http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=b8d5b4a7bcf47ed34a6343c95bcc3b079255c0a0

Twin-panes didn't play well with touchscreens. Gotta use cut/copy/paste between windows now. LoL!

status bar - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=676b96d2b7d91cc579bbac6e44d9aafc100e67a2

Using a floating bar now. I just tested it. Not bad... it works.

philinux
June 19th, 2012, 11:42 AM
For info sake here are 3 of the option removal commits with short explains

New docu - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=9538d1a640fda650e4866d2cdcc69b9e1cfa3a35

panes- http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=b8d5b4a7bcf47ed34a6343c95bcc3b079255c0a0

status bar - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=676b96d2b7d91cc579bbac6e44d9aafc100e67a2

(on a positive the missing thumbnails was fixed quickly (couple of hr's after filing


If you don't use templates we don't want to clutter up the menu.

CLUTTERED wow what a pathetic reason.

Fix is easy. Use gedit and create an empty text file in Templates. Old cluttered menu comes back.

mc4man
June 19th, 2012, 01:35 PM
CLUTTERED wow what a pathetic reason.

Fix is easy. Use gedit and create an empty text file in Templates. Old cluttered menu comes back.

What I find wierd about that is then I get 2 options to create an empty (untitled) document

Also each option can create the same file in the same place as shown in post 8

What are you naming the template?

anyway have report on for better or worse
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1014876

pressureman
June 19th, 2012, 03:02 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the removal of the status bar is a regression. I know some other OSes no longer have a status bar in file manager windows (even if they provide an option to turn it on).

Where am I supposed to see available space now? Right-clicking on a directory and selecting Properties is not a user-friendly solution. I want to be able to see the available disk space in a window *before* I drag something into that window.

Why is GNOME consistently removing useful features?

philinux
June 19th, 2012, 03:05 PM
What I find wierd about that is then I get 2 options to create an empty (untitled) document

Also each option can create the same file in the same place as shown in post 8

What are you naming the template?

anyway have report on for better or worse
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1014876

It got called Untitled Document 1 and yes I get another option to create an empty document.

ronacc
June 19th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Why is GNOME consistently removing useful features?

I don't dare say dumbing down , they'll slap my fingers for that . * puts on chain mail gloves *:p

cariboo907
June 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I don't dare say dumbing down , they'll slap my fingers for that . * puts on chain mail gloves *:p

Then I'll say it. :) This is getting ridiculous, the first three things I do when first starting nautilus on a new install is enable delete, disable delete notification and turn on the status bar. The first two I can do with dconf-editor, but even setting the status bar to start-with-status-bar no longer works.

I have to wonder if these ideas are actually coming from the Gnome devs, or from their employer.

philinux
June 19th, 2012, 09:26 PM
One thing got fixed. http://iloveubuntu.net/nautilus-removed-addressbars-short-name-dots-ubuntu-1210

EgoGratis
June 19th, 2012, 10:20 PM
Remove extra panes

Extra Pane mode was somewhat useful before GNOME 3 had side by side window mode. The combination of panes and tabs is just too much. It is inconsistent with the file chooser and doesn't work well with touch. We would like to add a more explicit copy/move feature shortly.

This one is in the same league removing Dodge Windows was. Pure abuse of users!

mc4man
June 20th, 2012, 12:06 AM
One thing got fixed. http://iloveubuntu.net/nautilus-removed-addressbars-short-name-dots-ubuntu-1210

Was a decent update - fixed 3 things,
The recent .. issue
missing thumbnails
And a longstanding issue where nautilus could open on top without focus in certain scenarios (most common was on an empty WS open gnome-terminal, then open nautilus


nautilus (1:3.5.2-0ubuntu3) quantal; urgency=low

* debian/nautilus.gsettings-override:
- dropped deprecated computer-icon-visible key
* debian/patches/git_icon_no_thumbnail_fix.patch:
- "icon-view: fix thumbnails not showing regression" (lp: #1014755)
* debian/patches/05_desktop_menu_export.patch:
- synced on the new upstream version, those options got dropped:
hide toolbar, statusbar, extra panes, tree panel, computer location.
* debian/patches/03_translations_list_update.patch,
debian/patches/13_translate_unity_launcher.patch:
- merged, one patch to updates the potfiles is enough
* debian/patches/21_correct_timestamp_use_fix_focus_issue.patch:
- "Use the correct timestamp when creating a new nautilus window.",
that should fix nautilus dialog opening unfocussed,
thanks Andrea Azzarone (lp: #781931)
* debian/patches/workaround_ellipsizing_bug.patch:
- workaround ellipsizing issues in the pathbars (lp: #1014645)
-- Sebastien Bacher <seb128@ubuntu.com> Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:57:52 +0200

Would be nice if they could fix the server deal so these changelogs would be readily available...

EgoGratis
June 20th, 2012, 12:42 AM
Was a decent update - fixed 3 things,
The recent .. issue
missing thumbnails
And a longstanding issue where nautilus could open on top without focus in certain scenarios (most common was on an empty WS open gnome-terminal, then open nautilus

Removing extra pane mode (shortcut F3) fixed this 3 things? I don't see connection?

mc4man
June 20th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Removing extra pane mode (shortcut F3) fixed this 3 things? I don't see connection?
Oops - I quoted the wrong reply, will fix.

EgoGratis
June 20th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Oops - I quoted the wrong reply, will fix.

I see no problem.

kevpan815
June 20th, 2012, 07:22 AM
The one thing that I discovered is the four commands move to home, move to desktop, copy to home, and copy to desktop (when you right click on a file) are gone in 12.10! Just FYI.

EgoGratis
June 20th, 2012, 10:29 AM
The one thing that I discovered is the four commands move to home, move to desktop, copy to home, and copy to desktop (when you right click on a file) are gone in 12.10! Just FYI.

Obviously if there is remote possibility i use the feature it will be removed. I am just waiting the day Nautilus desktop support is removed. GUI options that have anything to do with the desktop are removed one by one after GNOME 3 was made and the result is not something better but DE that lacks in many areas and I am starting to feel GNOME 3 should have never happened and i am starting to wonder how to fix this mess?

EgoGratis
June 20th, 2012, 10:57 AM
I must say in GNOME 2 time i could never imagine saying this but now i would probably be happy if Ubuntu was based on other DE or if the project would be strong enough to create it's own user centric and powerful/stable DE that would not change every month and would not remove features users use all the time and leave users empty handed.

The "problem" is GNOME is stable and has all this cool technology in back end but front end from user perspective got broken bad and i don't see easy fix for this and don't believe this trend will change anytime soon.

And creating own DE would probably end up the same in distant future (look at Windows OS) but now it's hard to be GNOME user, there is no real vision and delta between Unity and Shell will probably grow and make time harder for both parties and especially users too.

In the end i think the best thing would be if all involved parties would sit down and talk about it where they failed big and how to make it better because it not good right now its bad and i don't know how developers look at the situation or think about it and probably developers think they have something great going on right now but it's just not working from user perspective and i will say it again it's just not working. You just can't decide removing all the stuff users actually use is a great thing and in return give them something back that they don't want to use will make it better.

VinDSL
June 20th, 2012, 12:16 PM
I am starting to feel GNOME 3 should have never happened and i am starting to wonder how to fix this mess?
Heh! At this moment in time, for utilitarian purposes, I'm quite happy with this combo:


OS: Ubuntu 12.10
DE: LXDE
WM: Openbox


It's the best of all possible worlds!

At boot, LightDM gives me many choices:

Classic
Classic "Lite"
Gnome Shell aka Gnome 3
LXDE/Openbox
Unity 2D
Unity 3D

I could easily add more DEs & WMs to UbuQQ, but that pretty much rounds out the package for me.

Unity is just my sexy mistress. :D