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c2tarun
June 13th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Hi friends.

Like Microsoft is doing from long time, why is canonical not approaching Laptop companies like Lenovo, Dell, Hp for selling there laptop with ubuntu. That way we'll get laptops at more cheaper rate and with great hardware support.

CatKiller
June 13th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Because Microsoft gives the hardware manufacturers a truck load of money not to. Occasionally Dell will make a token effort as part of their Windows licence fee negotiations, but it's mostly the smaller boutique operations like System 76 that can offer Linux pre-installed since they don't need to worry about retribution from Redmond.

Morbius1
June 13th, 2012, 01:21 PM
According to every web publication created to tell us what to think, laptops are yesterdays platform. No money there.

The future belongs to TV: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv

And internet devices: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/

uRock
June 13th, 2012, 01:28 PM
Moved to Recurring Discussions

According to every web publication created to tell us what to think, laptops are yesterdays platform. No money there.

The future belongs to TV: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv

And internet devices: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/

Are you saying they aren't developing for desktop and laptops any longer? I see nothing wrong with a company branching out to cover more ground.

Morbius1
June 13th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Take a look at the user interface for the uTV in the first link. Does it remind you of anything?

You have a whole bunch of in-house developers that were given the task to develop a new user interface. And they did all that to put on a product they give away?

whatthefunk
June 13th, 2012, 01:59 PM
According to every web publication created to tell us what to think, laptops are yesterdays platform. No money there.

The future belongs to TV: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv

And internet devices: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/

I seriously doubt that the future of Ubuntu belongs in TV.
If Ubuntu is losing every other market race, how is it going to stand up to these guys in the Smart TV race:
Google TV: http://www.google.com/tv/
Apple TV: http://www.apple.com/appletv/
Boxee Box: http://www.boxee.tv/buy

And really, theres a good reason why "smart tvs" arent the rage that smart phones are....people dont really need them and dont want them. In my opinion, Ubuntu TV is essentially Canonical burning money and neglecting all the other projects that the developers have. Cononical needs to realize that it is not a major multinational corporation that has the resources and manpower to branch out into several markets at once. They need to pick one market, stick to it, and be the best there is in that market.

Paqman
June 13th, 2012, 03:19 PM
why is canonical not approaching Laptop companies like Lenovo, Dell, Hp for selling there laptop with ubuntu.

What makes you think that they aren't?

vasa1
June 13th, 2012, 03:25 PM
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/10/dell-canonical-to-sell-ubuntu-pcs-at-retail-locations-in-china/

Though I haven't come across any news of how that's going.

BigSilly
June 13th, 2012, 03:28 PM
I dunno, but I do think it's sad that there isn't any hardware based on Ubuntu out there. Even Linux Mint have got their distro on some rather fab looking hardware (http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2055), and choose how you feel about it, it's still a step forward and pretty impressive going. I would love to see Ubuntu do something like this, but there seems to be a lot of PR about it and not a lot actually happening.

ikt
June 13th, 2012, 03:31 PM
What makes you think that they aren't?

Indeed, they are.

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1034812


The Optiplex 9010 has just been released (as of yesterday), and we requested a quote for it in the normal config (n-series) from our account manager - lo and behold, under the included software section they listed Ubuntu 11.10.

Desktops + Laptops, Canonical is trying harder than ANY other linux focused company out there to into Dell etc. product lines.

whatthefunk
June 13th, 2012, 03:42 PM
I dunno, but I do think it's sad that there isn't any hardware based on Ubuntu out there. Even Linux Mint have got their distro on some rather fab looking hardware (http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2055), and choose how you feel about it, it's still a step forward and pretty impressive going. I would love to see Ubuntu do something like this, but there seems to be a lot of PR about it and not a lot actually happening.

Ehhh...System 76.
https://www.system76.com/

SeijiSensei
June 13th, 2012, 03:56 PM
One major obstacle is customer support.

Suppose an OEM decided to offer Ubuntu laptops. They would then need to build a customer support department with Linux technicians. Given that Linux laptops are unlikely ever to constitute more than a few percent of their total sales, it's quite possible that the OEMs wouldn't earn enough to cover their support costs, never mind making a reasonable profit.

It's also important to remember that these hypothetical Linux systems would not cost substantially less than Windows ones do. OEMs often earn more money from the bundled trial software they include than they pay for a Windows license. Given how little commercial software exists for Linux, these kinds of subsidies will disappear.

c2tarun
June 14th, 2012, 07:33 AM
What makes you think that they aren't?


Not a single company is selling machines with Ubuntu pre-installed on it in India. :(

vasa1
June 14th, 2012, 07:41 AM
Not a single company is selling machines with Ubuntu pre-installed on it in India. :(
That's true. At least I'm not seeing any ads to that effect.

Paqman
June 14th, 2012, 03:28 PM
Not a single company is selling machines with Ubuntu pre-installed on it in India. :(

Just because Canonical approaches a manufacturer, doesn't mean they'll start shipping Ubuntu pre-installed. Canonical would like to get as many Ubuntu machines shipped as possible, but convincing the OEMs to take the risk is a different story.

c2tarun
June 15th, 2012, 10:52 AM
Just because Canonical approaches a manufacturer, doesn't mean they'll start shipping Ubuntu pre-installed. Canonical would like to get as many Ubuntu machines shipped as possible, but convincing the OEMs to take the risk is a different story.

I wish I could convice everyone to try any ubuntu (or any linux distro) just for once.
I remember giving a session with my friend on Linux in my college. Among some 350-400 attendees only 27 came for Ubuntu setups. I gladly booted there pen-drives but can you believe this. I gave them approx 20 solid points why linux is better than windows and many example of free open source apps that they can use for free. I also walked them through installtion process, updating, installing new application, configuring email in evolution and few other stuffs. :(
Still.... why can't everyone just keep an open mind and try different things just once.

Paqman
June 15th, 2012, 11:11 AM
Among some 350-400 attendees only 27 came for Ubuntu setups.

Don't feel too bad, that's about 6%. Linux has about 1% of the desktop market overall, so if you're doing anything that gets more than 1% of people to switch to Linux, then you're making a difference.

MisterGaribaldi
June 16th, 2012, 03:57 AM
It's also important to remember that these hypothetical Linux systems would not cost substantially less than Windows ones do. OEMs often earn more money from the bundled trial software they include than they pay for a Windows license. Given how little commercial software exists for Linux, these kinds of subsidies will disappear.

Which, actually, is one area where they could take a lesson from Apple and sell up-scale, higher-priced hardware. You cannot compete against other makers if your profit margins are crap and you're otherwise using the exact same business model that they are. There's a reason Apple's profits are handsome, and all of their competitors' are not.

vasa1
June 16th, 2012, 04:00 AM
Saw this link while browsing the Mint forum: http://linuxpreloaded.com/

(Not limited to Canonical or Ubuntu.)

thatguruguy
June 18th, 2012, 02:45 PM
Not a single company is selling machines with Ubuntu pre-installed on it in India. :(

For your edification: linky (http://www.canonical.com/content/canonical-and-dell-announce-today-dell-laptops-pre-loaded-ubuntu-will-be-sold-850-retail-out).

Paqman
June 18th, 2012, 03:48 PM
Saw this link while browsing the Mint forum: http://linuxpreloaded.com/

(Not related limited to Canonical or Ubuntu.)

Mint not related to Ubuntu?

vasa1
June 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM
Mint not related to Ubuntu?

I made a mistake there. I think I meant to mean that the link was not limited to Canonical or Ubuntu. I'll fix that if I can.

vasa1
June 18th, 2012, 05:12 PM
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/ubuntu-dell-laptops-go-on-sale-in-india !!!!

thatguruguy
June 18th, 2012, 07:32 PM
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/ubuntu-dell-laptops-go-on-sale-in-india !!!!

As it happens, the OMG!Ubuntu! article you linked refers to the same article I mentioned in an earlier post.