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Irihapeti
June 1st, 2012, 09:20 AM
Two things seem to come up regularly regarding Ubuntu Member status.

One is what's required to be a Member in the first place.

A fairly typical conversation goes something like this:


OP: I won't be trying for membership because I know that I don't measure up.

Staff member: That is a common misconception


The other, and one that saddens me, is the number of Members asking for their membership to be revoked.

I get the impression that the same thing applies in many of these cases: a belief that some stratospheric standard of excellence is required and that the person concerned doesn't measure up.

I suspect that quite a bit of the problem is vagueness about what the requirements for membership are.

More detail on what's involved in becoming a member and maintaining membership, could be helpful.

Could we have some fictitious profiles of members, so that the rest of us know whether or not there's any point in applying at this stage of our forum lives?

E.g. how many posts is enough? Over what timeframe? Do you need to have some in-depth knowledge of a particular topic or have your favourite project? Or is it enough to be more generally helpful over a period of time?

(Of course, it's ultimately up to the Membership application team to make the decision, and I'm not wanting to question that, but it does give the rest of us some guidance.)

And then, clarify what's expected once one has become a member. Is it about ongoing brilliance? Or is it more about recognition of past work?

I'd like to think that clarifying some of these details might help both prospective and existing Members. (And I don't mind doing a bit of the writing, if it's wanted.)

Even one less person over-burdened by the weight of unrealistic expectations would make it worthwhile, in my view.

mips
June 1st, 2012, 11:05 AM
Lol, does it really matter?

I don't really see the point of belonging to some 'club'.

KiwiNZ
June 1st, 2012, 11:10 AM
Lol, does it really matter?

I don't really see the point of belonging to some 'club'.

It matters for some and that is ok

spynappels
June 1st, 2012, 11:17 AM
Lol, does it really matter?

I don't really see the point of belonging to some 'club'.

For me it mattered for a few different reasons, not least of which was that becoming a member helped me keep motivated to carry on helping to the best of my ability, even though I use Ubuntu less now than I did before (job changed, need to use Solaris now).

It has also helped me demonstrate my commitment to *nix in general and helped me in work to get on to projects which require greater Linux skills (in an almost entirely Solaris shop).

So it does matter to me.

nothingspecial
June 1st, 2012, 11:44 AM
And then, clarify what's expected once one has become a member. Is it about ongoing brilliance? Or is it more about recognition of past work?




After achieving membership, nothing else is required. Just carry on as before. You can become more involved with the wider Ubuntu community should you wish, and that is encouraged, but you do not have to.

It is important to stress that Ubuntu membership is about what you have done not about what you are required or expected to do and no-one should feel any pressure because of it. Becoming a member means you have already reached the standard. :)

Elfy
June 1st, 2012, 02:40 PM
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It is important to stress that Ubuntu membership is about what you have done not about what you are required or expected to do and no-one should feel any pressure because of it. Becoming a member means you have already reached the standard. :)
I'd +1 this sentiment.

CharlesA
June 1st, 2012, 03:56 PM
After achieving membership, nothing else is required. Just carry on as before. You can become more involved with the wider Ubuntu community should you wish, and that is encouraged, but you do not have to.

It is important to stress that Ubuntu membership is about what you have done not about what you are required or expected to do and no-one should feel any pressure because of it. Becoming a member means you have already reached the standard. :)

That sums it up pretty nicely.

Thanks Irihapeti for making this thread in order to get some clarification out there. :)

Dry Lips
June 1st, 2012, 04:36 PM
Irihapeti seems to be referring to membership through forum participation... I thought I'd point out that there are other ways of getting Ubuntu membership as well. :eek:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership

inashdeen
June 1st, 2012, 05:41 PM
I always dream that one day, i can be a member *sigh*

josephmills
June 1st, 2012, 07:55 PM
Top reasons that I wanted to become a member

* I wanted to be able to use the name Ubuntu on business cards for me when talking to stores and other places so they would take me more serious

* I wanted the email forwarder for myname@ubuntu.com this is also for marketing Ubuntu.

* I want to Go to UDS next year and I think that this will help.

* I want to keep my-self motivated and always remember that I worked for this.

* I wanted to get involved in a wider range of things and thought that the developers would take me more serious

* I found out that Ubuntu Members Rock and I wanna Rock

* I wanted to show the people here on the forums that I look up to them and that I was happy with what they where doing.

* I found It nice that People vote and say nice things about people on the membership page (my big head)

* Because I wanted to show my mentors that I am learning from them and that they are good mentors by motivating me to go the distance. Really says something about mentors that produce members over and over again.


The other, and one that saddens me, is the number of Members asking for their membership to be revoked.


This also makes me sad :( but it also shows that there is movement and that the Ubuntu members are active



More detail on what's involved in becoming a member and maintaining membership, could be helpful


This is kinda like the saying that a mentor told me

"Ubutnu is what you make of it"

meaning that all you need to do is try.
I did not know what to do and was afraid that if I was to do some things that I would be stepping on others toes or whatever.
This is so far from the truth.

One thing that I say is
spruce up your Wiki show off what you have done there (too a point)

launchpad speaks for its self with the karma.

Start a Local Ubuntu Hour advertise about it here on the forums.
basically do what every you think is a good thing and ask other members like you are is you have questions.



Of course, it's ultimately up to the Membership application team to make the decision, and I'm not wanting to question that, but it does give the rest of us some guidance.)

For Me This is where I got all my guidance all but one person. that is.


I'd like to think that clarifying some of these details might help both prospective and existing Members. (And I don't mind doing a bit of the writing, if it's wanted.)


I think that nothingspecial nailed this one a few posts back.

forrestcupp
June 1st, 2012, 09:16 PM
I personally don't care about membership for myself. But even though there has been some clarification in this thread about what is expected of you after you have become a member, there has still been no clarification at all here about what is required to become a member from forum participation. But this wiki page that is linked to in the sticky about membership (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/Membership) gives some good answers. The main things are positive attitude, helpful posts, follows CoC, minimum consistent involvement of 6 months, and no infractions for at least a year.

I think part of the reason people don't think they measure up is because of this thread by s.fox (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750642) about applying for membership. He explains that we need to create a wiki page, then he gives the wiki pages of bodhi.zazen and s.fox to use as a template for your own. Well, when you look at their wiki pages and see how much they have done and that we are supposed to use that as a template, it's easy to see why people don't think they measure up. That in itself quickly made me not care much about trying to become a member.

Irihapeti
June 1st, 2012, 09:32 PM
@forestcupp:

Well, yes - when I look at the existing members, I see that they've had thousands upon thousands of posts. I've had less than 1200 over 5 years, and I don't have a specialty topic, so I thought there was no way I'd meet the standards. I know now that at least one person disagrees with that, but that was an utter surprise to me.

QIII
June 1st, 2012, 09:36 PM
If I were to become a member, I suppose I would feel I was obligated by some sense of propriety and decorum. I did that for 24 years.

I enjoy being a grumpy old fart these days.

lisati
June 1st, 2012, 09:54 PM
IMO, it's not so much about guru status, technical expertise, or even post count, but showing a willingness to take a look round for something where you might be able to make a contribution towards a solution. You might not always know the specific answer to a support request, but you might be able to share some insight or link that takes someone a step closer to finding the solution for themselves.

bodhi.zazen
June 1st, 2012, 10:58 PM
I personally don't care about membership for myself. But even though there has been some clarification in this thread about what is expected of you after you have become a member, there has still been no clarification at all here about what is required to become a member from forum participation. But this wiki page that is linked to in the sticky about membership (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/Membership) gives some good answers. The main things are positive attitude, helpful posts, follows CoC, minimum consistent involvement of 6 months, and no infractions for at least a year.

Ubuntu membership is granted by the various membership boards based on contributions to Ubuntu.

It is more a recognition for the time and hard work given to the community.

Neither the CC nor the regional boards have outlined expectations once membership is granted.

I think you have the wrong concept of membership, membership is recognition for community contributions and a set of benefits. Membership is not a "club", code of conduct, or set of expectations.

Ubuntu members have to renew their membership once a year, and with all communities, people come and go.

Primefalcon
June 2nd, 2012, 12:11 AM
It matters to some and other not for various reasons...

For me it does mean something since, Ubuntu itself and what it stands for I do 100% believe in...

For me it means just being helpful in the community and being a part of it...

forrestcupp
June 2nd, 2012, 03:17 AM
I think you have the wrong concept of membership, membership is recognition for community contributions and a set of benefits. Membership is not a "club", code of conduct, or set of expectations.

I was just summarizing what the wiki page says about how to become a member based on forum contributions. Those weren't my opinions; they were taken right off the wiki.

MisterGaribaldi
June 2nd, 2012, 03:35 AM
The main things are positive attitude, helpful posts, follows CoC, minimum consistent involvement of 6 months, and no infractions for at least a year.

Well, I guess those things all rule me out! :lolflag:


I think part of the reason people don't think they measure up is because of this thread by s.fox (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750642) about applying for membership.

For me, being a member of this message board is quite sufficient. I do surf through other areas of UF, but it's exceedingly infrequent I ever find anything I know about, much less am competent to talk about.

Elfy
June 2nd, 2012, 05:01 AM
I think part of the reason people don't think they measure up is because of this thread by s.fox (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750642) about applying for membership. He explains that we need to create a wiki page, then he gives the wiki pages of bodhi.zazen and s.fox to use as a template for your own. Well, when you look at their wiki pages and see how much they have done and that we are supposed to use that as a template, it's easy to see why people don't think they measure up. That in itself quickly made me not care much about trying to become a member.

Use mine as a template instead. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forestpiskie)

Different areas of 'Ubuntu' use different measuring sticks - I'd not get membership through MOTU for instance.

Membership through the forum is based on what is done and seen here - I got that :)

In fact the first time I got membership was when there was not forum route - but my application at that time was based on what I did do here.

Primefalcon
June 2nd, 2012, 07:58 AM
You don't have to be too finicky, they're more after whether your a more a member that contributes in someway whether via forums community or whatever.

Also even if they do turn you down, just wait a tiny bit longer, get your helpful post count up an try again

forrestcupp
June 2nd, 2012, 01:32 PM
Use mine as a template instead. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forestpiskie)

Different areas of 'Ubuntu' use different measuring sticks - I'd not get membership through MOTU for instance.

Membership through the forum is based on what is done and seen here - I got that :)

In fact the first time I got membership was when there was not forum route - but my application at that time was based on what I did do here.

Wow! That's great. Maybe if people check that out it will give them more hope. Thank you.

And I forgot you changed your name until I saw your wiki. :)

nothingspecial
June 2nd, 2012, 01:44 PM
Feel free to use mine (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nothingspecial) as a template also.

josephmills
June 2nd, 2012, 10:02 PM
you may also use Mine (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills) If you like

Dale61
June 3rd, 2012, 05:35 PM
I refuse to join any club that will accept me as a member!