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mips
May 3rd, 2012, 10:59 PM
https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa

Will later be moved to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10


Please note: XFCE 4.10 is not officially supported in Ubuntu 12.04 and earlier, so if you have any issues then you are on your own.
XFCE 4.10 will make it's official debut in Xubuntu 12.10





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tewth
May 3rd, 2012, 11:19 PM
Ah, thank god. Just spent the last 4 hours doing it manually only to get it installed broken.
Used this and it was done in five minutes

EDIT: Whats not ready about it? The only thing that came up weird for me was that the separator on the top bar between the windows and notification area wasn't set to expand... Looks like I'm in for some suprises

mips
May 3rd, 2012, 11:28 PM
EDIT: Whats not ready about it? The only thing that came up weird for me was that the separator on the top bar between the windows and notification area wasn't set to expand... Looks like I'm in for some suprises

All the packages have not finished building yet, it's still in progress. See https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending

DO NOT INSTALL YET, wait until the build process is completed.

VTPoet
May 3rd, 2012, 11:29 PM
EDIT: Ignore this, it's not ready yet.

A little jumpy, are we? ;)

mips
May 3rd, 2012, 11:32 PM
A little jumpy, are we? ;)

Me? Never :biggrin:

Guess I'll have to wait in check back in the morning when I wake up, 00:30 here so time for a bit of reading and bed. G'night.

tedbell
May 3rd, 2012, 11:38 PM
Anyone else having this work? They wouldn't release it if it weren't ready would they? Just when I've found an easy way to install I can't use it. :(

mips
May 4th, 2012, 08:48 AM
Anyone else having this work? They wouldn't release it if it weren't ready would they? Just when I've found an easy way to install I can't use it. :(

See post #3.

CharlesA
May 6th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Moved back to the Cafe.

mips
May 6th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Moved back to the Cafe.

Thank you!


I have installed the amd64 bit version on a base install of Xubuntu 12.04 and so far so good.

VTPoet
May 6th, 2012, 06:22 PM
The 4.10 PPA is being discussed here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935375), along with solutions to a few problems that have come up. I installed it on my experimental partition (Xubuntu Desktop in Ubuntu then the PPA) and it's working beautifully.

mips
May 6th, 2012, 06:52 PM
I installed it on my experimental partition (Xubuntu Desktop in Ubuntu then the PPA) and it's working beautifully.

How's your fonts? :tongue::biggrin:

I installed 4.10 on a Xubuntu base install I did from the alternate image. I have no 4.8 components at all. My fonts are tack sharp, Droid Sans 11, Enabled anti-aliasing, Hinting Full, Sub-pixel order RGB, Custom DPI disabled.

VTPoet
May 6th, 2012, 07:11 PM
How's your fonts? :tongue::biggrin:

I installed 4.10 on a Xubuntu base install I did from the alternate image. I have no 4.8 components at all. My fonts are tack sharp, Droid Sans 11, Enabled anti-aliasing, Hinting Full, Sub-pixel order RGB, Custom DPI disabled.

:rolleyes: After an epic round of trial and error, I finally got my font rendering up to Ubuntu's standards which, to me, are as good as this laptop is going to get.

Ubuntu 10
Anti-Aliasing: Checked
Hinting : Slight
DPI: I alternate between disabled and 112. 112 makes for a very clean menu, but a little large.

But the key to the whole thing, the crucial option, was LCD Hinting:

xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Xft/Lcdfilter -n -t string -s lcddefault

Unfortunately, there's no way to know about this unless you pester an XFCE dev (which is what I did) or google just the right search term -- which I never managed.

(Had been "lcdnone". And that was a disaster. Other options: lcdnone, lcdlight, lcdlegacy)

mips
May 6th, 2012, 07:52 PM
But the key to the whole thing, the crucial option, was LCD Hinting:

xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Xft/Lcdfilter -n -t string -s lcddefault

Unfortunately, there's no way to know about this unless you pester an XFCE dev (which is what I did) or google just the right search term -- which I never managed.


I would never in my life have discovered that. I just checked and I don't even have a /Xft/Lcdfilter option specified!

VTPoet
May 6th, 2012, 08:00 PM
I would never in my life have discovered that. I just checked and I don't even have a /Xft/Lcdfilter option specified!

The way to check is at terminal: xrdb -query

Edit: If you change the LCD Hinting, you have to log out/in before it takes effect. Look here (http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance) for more information.

mips
May 6th, 2012, 08:16 PM
The way to check is at terminal: xrdb -query

Edit: If you change the LCD Hinting, you have to log out/in before it takes effect.

Ok I changed mine to lcddefault and the Ubuntu font look really good but I think it makes the default xubuntu droid sans font look worse. But it still seems like a bit of a hit & miss affair as you make a font one size bigger then it looks weird again.

Anyway, I've decided for now to settle on Ubuntu 11, anti-aliased, medium hinting, rgb sub-pixel order and custom dpi disabled.

Thanks for sharing that lcd setting stuff!

ammofreak
May 6th, 2012, 10:17 PM
):P Righto....

Toz
May 6th, 2012, 11:27 PM
The way to check is at terminal: xrdb -query

Edit: If you change the LCD Hinting, you have to log out/in before it takes effect. Look here (http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance) for more information.

Following up from the other thread about the fonts, what do you have in your ~/.Xdefaults file? I have (Xft-related):

! Xft settings ---------------------------------------------------------------

Xft.dpi: 96
Xft.antialias: true
Xft.rgba: rgb
Xft.hinting: true
Xft.hintstyle: hintslight
Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault


...and apparently this file comes from xubuntu-default-settings. Since you've installed Unity/Ubuntu first, I wonder whether you have this code there.

I've installed Xubuntu only and don't have the font issue you have and am wondering where this inconsistency is coming from.

VTPoet
May 7th, 2012, 12:46 AM
I've installed Xubuntu only and don't have the font issue you have and am wondering where this inconsistency is coming from.

I installed the xubuntu-desktop in 12.04 Ubuntu and all the settings were blank - I know that because first, I was having the same poor font rendering and, second, because I checked. One of the biggest complaints about LMDE, which uses XFCE, is the poor font quality and it probably all stems from users installing the DE on laptops or monitors with the wrong LCD settings - the settings being blank. I noticed the same problem with #! XFCE. All this time I thought it was endemic to XFCE. It is, but it's fixable.

Toz
May 7th, 2012, 02:01 AM
I don't have access to an ubuntu install right not check, but I have a theory. I'm wondering whether when you install ubuntu, it doesn't create (or doesn't need to create, or creates a parital) .Xdefaults file that includes the necessary xfce Xft settings. When you add xubuntu-desktop, it will create the /etc/skel/.Xdefaults file, but won't propagate it to the home directory of existing users. I'll try to test this when I get access to an ubuntu install.

mips
May 7th, 2012, 10:12 AM
Following up from the other thread about the fonts, what do you have in your ~/.Xdefaults file? I have (Xft-related):


...and apparently this file comes from xubuntu-default-settings. Since you've installed Unity/Ubuntu first, I wonder whether you have this code there.

I've installed Xubuntu only and don't have the font issue you have and am wondering where this inconsistency is coming from.

I don't even have that file at all. So it does not come installed with a xubuntu base install and the xfce 4.10 install does not create one either. maybe it's part of xubuntu-default-settings or one of those packages.

I see FF does not follow my systems default font theme.

At some point I will do a vm install of xubuntu 12.04, I alreay have a vm image for ubuntu 11.10 and then compare the various font settings between them. Will install VB-4.1 today.

Toz
May 7th, 2012, 11:40 AM
I don't even have that file at all. So it does not come installed with a xubuntu base install and the xfce 4.10 install does not create one either. maybe it's part of xubuntu-default-settings or one of those packages.

Yes, its part of xubuntu-default-settings. Its installed to /etc/skel. It only gets copied to a user account when a new account is created and it (.Xdefaults) exists in /etc/skel.

mips
May 7th, 2012, 01:59 PM
Yes, its part of xubuntu-default-settings. Its installed to /etc/skel. It only gets copied to a user account when a new account is created and it (.Xdefaults) exists in /etc/skel.

I can't install that package as it wants to remove some of my 4.10 components. I'll just copy the file over from normal install in a vm.

VTPoet
May 7th, 2012, 02:27 PM
I can't install that package as it wants to remove some of my 4.10 components. I'll just copy the file over from normal install in a vm.

4.10 doesn't use xfce4-settings-helper. It uses xfsettinfsd. I'm barely figuring this out as I go along, so don't ask me anything more than that. ;)

mips
May 7th, 2012, 02:35 PM
4.10 doesn't use but xfce4-settings-helper. It uses xfsettinfsd. I'm barely figuring this out as I go along, so don't ask me anything more than that. ;)

Yes, aware that some packages have changed ;)

The one thing I would like to change though is the desktop menu, I only wanna see what's in the panel menu and not the other additional stuff.

http://ompldr.org/vZG5scg/menu.png

Or somehow move that into the root and remove some of the main options. Kinda like it looked in 4.6 I think.