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mamamia88
April 19th, 2012, 06:07 AM
Microsoft finally releases a version of windows i enjoy using and now windows 8 is coming out they are putting that crap metro on it. Unity sucks compared to the old gnome 2 in my opinion. Gnome 3 doesn't seem any better. Is it just me or is the entire desktop operating system market going backwards?

23dornot23d
April 19th, 2012, 06:12 AM
Windows 8 new user .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boT...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU&feature=relmfu)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALHd...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALHdzDNig0&feature=relmfu)

New User using Mac .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeOk...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeOkHjV7nM&feature=relmfu)

Interesting watching a new user suss out UNITY ....... gets confused with workspaces .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltE_e...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltE_ekc8kE8&feature=related)

KiwiNZ
April 19th, 2012, 06:21 AM
It's called progress, I guess we should all be using Sinclair ZX81's :p

PaulW2U
April 19th, 2012, 06:25 AM
Is it just me or is the entire desktop operating system market going backwards?

Entire? I don't see any drastic changes in KDE, Xfce or LXDE however they all improve with time.

codemaniac
April 19th, 2012, 06:27 AM
There is a lot of brouhaha about the avalanche of changes in major DE's .Lets see what the grandroot has to say about .
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linus-ditches-kde-and-gnome-so-what

sffvba[e0rt
April 19th, 2012, 07:07 AM
I was very happy using MS-DOS many moons ago, didn't care much for Windows 95 (and didn't know about things like Linux).

Hmmm...


cd\games\duneii
dune2
:D
Need more extended memory
:'(


Good times...
404

codemaniac
April 19th, 2012, 07:17 AM
Not_Found ,

you remember this one .
http://takegame.com/arcade/htm/princepersia.htm

sffvba[e0rt
April 19th, 2012, 07:36 AM
Not_Found ,

you remember this one .
http://takegame.com/arcade/htm/princepersia.htm

Yup... Actual read something about the original source code for the game being found and made available for free... Just have to try and remember where :p


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codemaniac
April 19th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Any remote chances that prince has ever been ported to GNU Linux . :)

GWBouge
April 19th, 2012, 07:48 AM
Good times...

http://www.dosgames.com/gameindex.php
http://www.abandonia.com/en/game/all

Good times, indeed ... I kindof miss having to drop out to DOS so I'd have enough resources to fire up a game. I was pretty bummed in Win98 (I think?) when they took that option out. DOSBox is about to get a workout, I think. (Sorry, off-topic ... but yeah, I'm insane)

sffvba[e0rt
April 19th, 2012, 07:59 AM
Last of the off-topic's (not that the topic at hand hasn't been flogged to death already...)

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/18/here-waste-the-evening-prince-of-persia-source-code-posted-to-github/



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winh8r
April 19th, 2012, 08:04 AM
Microsoft finally releases a version of windows i enjoy using and now windows 8 is coming out they are putting that crap metro on it. Unity sucks compared to the old gnome 2 in my opinion. Gnome 3 doesn't seem any better. Is it just me or is the entire desktop operating system market going backwards?

It's allegedly the "future of computing". We are at present being sucked in to the desktop revolution and WILL learn to use our computers in the way they are designed, by people who know a lot more than us.

Resistance is futile.

They have won already, what are your options? Stop using your computer?.....

Too late for that, they got you hooked a long time ago.

Any who resist will be made social outcasts. :lolflag:

schtufbox
April 19th, 2012, 09:22 AM
It's called progress, I guess we should all be using Sinclair ZX81's :p

I wouldn't call Windows 8 progress at all :)

Gnome 3 and KDE 4 however I like both. Unity..I don't like it, but it IS progress :)

Erik1984
April 19th, 2012, 09:39 AM
I was very happy using MS-DOS many moons ago, didn't care much for Windows 95 (and didn't know about things like Linux).

Hmmm...


cd\games\duneii
dune2
:D
Need more extended memory
:'(
Good times...
404

Then you play C&C and go back to Dune to realize you have to individually click all units to move a group to some point :p

KiwiNZ
April 19th, 2012, 09:40 AM
I wouldn't call Windows 8 progress at all :)

Gnome 3 and KDE 4 however I like both. Unity..I don't like it, but it IS progress :)

Progress has nothing to do with preference

haqking
April 19th, 2012, 09:45 AM
Microsoft finally releases a version of windows i enjoy using and now windows 8 is coming out they are putting that crap metro on it. Unity sucks compared to the old gnome 2 in my opinion. Gnome 3 doesn't seem any better. Is it just me or is the entire desktop operating system market going backwards?

no it is doing what it has always done and progressing and in the Linux world giving you even more choice

none of this is forced, unless you choose to use Windows 8 of course, but in the Linux world no DE is forced, default maybe yes but then people dont even like the default wallpapers (that i can understand with it being so hard to change and effecting the stability of the machine and all </sarcasm>

Peace

3rdalbum
April 19th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Yawn. A year and a half of this is getting boring.

If you want Gnome 2, go and use CentOS or Debian Stable; or install the Gnome Session Fallback package to get a classic-style interface on top of Gnome 3.

But don't begrudge us our Unity. In the absence of progress, there is stagnation. Gnome 2 was about as stagnated as you can get.

I don't really mind what you do or what you use, but if you're not willing to give Unity a chance, then switch to something that you want to use and please stop with the trolling.

matt_symes
April 19th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Yawn. A year and a half of this is getting boring.

Quite; although i thought this got very boring along time ago.

mrgs
April 19th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Changes the thread title to a more informative one.

Brizlitman
April 19th, 2012, 10:53 AM
Well you can always use MATE if you want to keep the gnome 2 look

rg4w
April 19th, 2012, 04:18 PM
Gnome 2 was based around hierarchical menus, which are well documented by decades of HI research as being physically difficult to use. Some may prefer them, but no one has come up with a good usability test in which they score higher than more direct alternatives.

When every OS vendor is changing in significant ways, it may be possible that the entire world isn't wrong.

Indeed, what we're seeing is the advent of a new diversity, in which people are using a broader range of form factors and OSes than ever before.

Case in point: in 2011 alone Apple sold more mobile devices than the sum of all Macs they've ever sold since the beginning.

In this environment of change in usage patterns, it seems useful that OS designers are trying to come up with ways to address this growing diversity.

If you hung out in the Mac community in the previous century, you probably know a good many people who griped about OS X when it premiered, radically changing both the UI and the technical underpinnings in ways many loyal fans found disturbing. Making matters worse, the first three versions of OS X were slow and buggy, seemingly justifying the naysayers. But eventually OS X was refined to the point that almost everyone I know strongly prefers it over Mac Classic.

I see a similar pattern with Unity: the premier in 11.04 was way short of the mark in terms of both design and performance, and indeed I skipped that release altogether. 11.10 brought many great enhancements, and I've come to enjoy Unity in that build. 12.04 takes this refinement much further, and I'm very much looking forward to it.

Unity may not be for everyone, but fergawdsakes it's Linux, and we have a hundred distros to choose from, and the ability to swap DEs with an ease that would make users of any other OS cry if they only understood how powerful such flexibility can be.

So I can fully understand if someone doesn't prefer Unity, but I can't understand why they feel they have no choice to do anything else given the thousands of combinations they can choose from in the Linux world.

jwbrase
April 19th, 2012, 10:49 PM
It's called progress, I guess we should all be using Sinclair ZX81's :p

Not all change is progress. Progress involves moving forwards. Not having a task bar in 2012 and calling it "progress" is like trying to tell me that a 200 MHz Pentium running Windows 3.1 is "progress" compared to my Core2 Duo running Lucid.

Desktops without task bars went obsolete in August of 1995.

jwbrase
April 19th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Gnome 2 was based around hierarchical menus, which are well documented by decades of HI research as being physically difficult to use.

Not quite true. My workflow on my Gnome 2 desktop is dominated by window switching with the bottom panel and quick-launch icons for my most-used programs on my top panel. I only use the hierarchical menus for less-used programs that I don't have space for on my top panel. Yes, they are slower, but that's fine because I don't use them for launching the programs I use most often.

Unity, on the other hand, may speed up the launch of those less-used programs a bit, but is much inferior to Gnome 2 when it comes to window switching (which is the single thing I do most) and makes you jump through extra hoops to launch extra instances of already-running programs.

sffvba[e0rt
April 20th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Desktops without task bars went obsolete in August of 1995.

Desktops with task bars went obsolete in April 2012...


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3rdalbum
April 20th, 2012, 11:19 AM
Desktops without task bars went obsolete in August of 1995.

Mac users? Windows 8 users? Unity users? Gnome 3 users? Users who purposely removed their task bars to install Cairo-Dock or Docky? Elementary users?

Task bars seem to be disappearing from desktops.

rg4w
April 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Unity, on the other hand, may speed up the launch of those less-used programs a bit, but is much inferior to Gnome 2 when it comes to window switching (which is the single thing I do most) and makes you jump through extra hoops to launch extra instances of already-running programs.
Agreed on desktop switching. One thing I definitely miss from Gnome 2 is the workspace switcher. In Unity it's a two-step task, but in Gnome 2 it was a single click, with the extra advantage of having the thumbnail view always visible to remind you which setup is in which workspace.

Anyone know of a way to get the Gnome 2 workspace switcher into the Unity top panel?

TeamRocket1233c
April 20th, 2012, 02:18 PM
It's allegedly the "future of computing". We are at present being sucked in to the desktop revolution and WILL learn to use our computers in the way they are designed, by people who know a lot more than us.

Resistance is futile.

They have won already, what are your options? Stop using your computer?.....

Too late for that, they got you hooked a long time ago.

Any who resist will be made social outcasts. :lolflag:
Well, what about MATE, LXDE, Xfce, Openbox, or Fluxbox? And Windows 8 Desktop DOES have kind of a Windows 7 Fallback Mode to it, if you will.

VTPoet
April 20th, 2012, 02:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boT...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU&feature=relmfu)


OK, this one had me rolling in the isles. Good thing a watched another video of another Dad. I have to wonder if *I* would have figured it out?

tmaranets
April 20th, 2012, 03:09 PM
Windows 8 is good, I agree. Gnome 3 is ok.
Is it just me or is the entire desktop operating system market going backwards?
I think Linux keeps getting better. Windows and OS X have their ups and downs.

23dornot23d
April 20th, 2012, 07:42 PM
OK, this one had me rolling in the isles. Good thing a watched another video of another Dad. I have to wonder if *I* would have figured it out?
What Interested me ...... for people that are used to using computers .....

They look for clues ...... it becomes a game initially finding things .....

The thing is after they find out it probably becomes a little more natural

Then comes the bit that matters using it efficiently and effectively

Less operations and keystrokes to find and open your required applications .....

Its worth having a look for the quickest way that suits you though .....

Many people do not like docks ...... but they are fast to get to your apps
and customizable too ...... cairo-dock has always been my favourite, but you
need a reasonable graphics card to use it ......

The thing is the consumer market will go touch screen eventually for a lot of devices
but for at least 10 years we will still be using keyboard and mice ..... lets hope
that most apps retain that ability ......

That then comes to why Microsoft will work ok on touchscreen - but is awkward on a desktop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_GFxDBFrs&feature=related

whether this is the way Ubuntu will go - if touchscreen becomes the normal - what does it do ?

The future ,,,

Who knows where it will head next - business strategies look 5 to 10 years ahead

How about in less than 18 years time interaction in the Year 2020 (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=computers+voice+driven+2020&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=en&gs_nf=1&tok=66rgLdeojLzc6adDRYhqrg&pq=computers%20voice%20driven%202020&cp=21&gs_id=3q3&xhr=t&q=computers+interaction+2020&pf=p&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&sclient=psy-ab&oq=computers+interaction+2020&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a24b68436686152a) ......

and will a computer be a lot smaller than that of a raspberry sized device (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tok=Pj9r8tgSoXuNUkSQhsDazw&pq=rasberry+sized+device&cp=4&gs_id=th&xhr=t&q=raspberry+sized+device&client=ubuntu&hs=D7i&channel=fs&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=f7uQT5DaNMml0QWApf3OAQ&biw=1147&bih=500&sei=g7uQT-GUDuyW0QWgr6TbAQ)

or Embedded in the Brain maybe (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Ted+Chips+in+the+brain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=p8i&channel=fs&sclient=psy-ab&q=Chips+in+the+brain+2020&oq=Chips+in+the+brain+2020&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...7212.7511.1.8174.4.3.0.0.0.1.282.697 .0j1j2.3.0.uKp1_l7k7o0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a24b68436686152a)

dniMretsaM
April 20th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Not all change is progress. Progress involves moving forwards. Not having a task bar in 2012 and calling it "progress" is like trying to tell me that a 200 MHz Pentium running Windows 3.1 is "progress" compared to my Core2 Duo running Lucid.

Desktops without task bars went obsolete in August of 1995.

Not true. I personally don't use taskbars. They're distracting. And last time I checked, I'm living in 2012. It's just preference. As is Unity, Metro, GNOME-Shell, KDE, WM-only, etc.

Copper Bezel
April 23rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
Windows 8 is good, I agree. Gnome 3 is ok.
As a touchscreen interface, Windows 8 really does look rather shiny. I'm happy with Gnome Shell, and Windows does look a little clumsy by mouse, if only because of the hidden, hotcorner navigation features, but a part of my brain really, really wants to play with the blocks. (The limitations on Metro apps and the exile of real applications to the "desktop" notwithstanding.)

zombifier25
April 25th, 2012, 12:17 PM
I finally decided to torture use some space on my extremely small hard drive and install gnome-shell, and I must say I like it better than the classic GNOME 2 already. It's pretty fast to navigate, pretty easy to find your stuffs without going through half a dozen of menus like GNOME 2.
I still prefer Unity though (because of GNOME Shell's inability to change windows manager. Damn), however IMHO Unity and GNOME Shell are not really different in design.

km3952
April 25th, 2012, 03:01 PM
We all favour that which we grew up with.......