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fredbird67
April 3rd, 2012, 05:10 PM
No joke -- check it out on a fresh DansGuardian installation! This is because those turds at Playboy have altered the site so that it gets around web filters, and whatever it is they did, it worked. Thankfully, playboy.com can be added to DG's bannedsiteslist.

But for DansGuardian to let one of the world's best known porno sites through is something that should NEVER have happened and needs to be corrected PRONTO! But, like I said, thankfully, we have the banned sites list that we can add that to -- but IMHO, one shouldn't have to do that in the first place.

Fred in St. Louis

Anastasis
April 11th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Agreed. The state of Dansguardian is in shambles right now. There has not been a serious upgrade in, how many years? It is starting to become ineffective in more ways than simply the playboy bypass. I take it that Dansguardian is now basically a defunct project that is not taken seriously.

This introduces a bigger problem in the open source world right now that has been a thorn in its side perhaps all along. Content filtering is simply not taken seriously. The people who supposedly have ongoing projects let them run for months, and more likely years. There is simply no workable filtering solution for opensource at this time. And I have to admit that it makes me sick. You would think that someone, anyone! would take up such a project, but is there no one? It doesn't seem like. Am I complaining about the situation?

YOU BETTER BELIEVE I AM! It's appauling! Opensource and Linux filtering apps get two thumbs WAY down. Big FAIL.

People can argue with me all day that there are good opensource filtering solutions and I will just ignore everything they say, because fact is there aren't. One would think that serious filtering solutions would be an integral part of any serious linux distro like Ubuntu. But this does not seem to be the case. The best Linux Mint has going for it is the very flimsy MintNanny? Give me a break. There are tons of good closedsource filtering options in the world of Windows and Mac, it's taken very seriously. But in the Linux world, it seems to be not only taken as a passing whim, but as SOMETHING BIZARRE and uniportant at best.

This is probably the most unappealing aspect of Linux as a whole and why so many never get around to switching operating system platforms or end up turning back to Windows and Mac. There comes a point when after not being heard or taken seriously in terms of needing functional and up-to-date filtering solutions, one simply writes off Linux as an unserious platform. They don't take my needs and the needs of my family seriously, why should I take them seriously?

I also see people who call for better filtering solutions in the Linux world being constantly marginalized and basically told to get lost. Well, that just doesn't cut it anymore. If that's the way the vibe is going to be, then you can count me out of Linux. I'll switch back to Mac in about 2 seconds if it keeps up this way. I give it 6 more months. If there is not a major developement in filtering applications for Linux in that time, then you can count me out of the Linux universe. And good ridance--of you! You can take your cocky selves and your Linux with you.

Dansguardian is defunct and has been for a long time. but not because it has to be, it's just been ignored for too long.

It needs a fork and needs it now. Furthermore, Webcontentcontrol is a defunct project as is this mythical Gnome Child Care that never seems to be forthcoming. How many more years are we to wait for this backwater side project? Besides, do they realize how many people in the Linux world are FINISHED with Gnome? GNOME IS DEAD! And there's a reason it's dead --Gnome killed Gnome! I've already move on to Fluxbox and Enlightenment as a future develope platform. I've grown weary of DEs that NEVER give the user what they need in a DE. I'm sick of bloatware, Gnome, KDE all of them. They have developed in the wrong direction for too long by people who seem to have no vision of where they are going or what they are trying to accomplish. It's just about keeping up with the Jones' at this point, and they have lost touch with reality and the Linux user. I have no more time for their pitling nonsense. Nor do I have time to learn the finer points of IP tables just to get a defunct filtering solution to work a quarter of the time!

forrestcupp
April 11th, 2012, 02:11 PM
@ the OP, I would love to hear the back story of how you found this out. :D


@ Anastasis, Wow! I don't know where to start. First of all, Gnome is definitely not dead. Your personal preference is that you do not like it, but that's not everyone's preference. I happen to love Gnome Shell, and think it's the best thing to happen to the DE world in a long time.

Secondly, you can't really be hard on the community for not forking DansGuardian and not do anything about it yourself. Even if you don't know how to code, you could be more productive in trying to organize people who do, instead of bashing us for not doing it.

Also, you talk about how Windows and Mac have great closed source options, but Linux doesn't have any open source options at all. Do you think it's wrong to use the closed source options we have in Linux? Not everything in Linux has to be open source. I, personally, haven't tried to find any system wide solutions, but there are plenty of anti-porn add-ons for Firefox that work well in Linux. Searching the add-ons for "porn filter" turns up a lot of results. I've used ProCon Latte, and it worked pretty well. A couple of others are Anti-Porn Pro and Christian Anti-Porn. So you can't really say there isn't anything out there at all.

bodhi.zazen
April 11th, 2012, 05:47 PM
The problem with all these tools, web filtering proxies, is two fold.

1. Bad web sites change ip and url faster then you can blacklist them. There are things out there much much worse then playboy ;)

2. There is no consensus on what to filter. The standards for what is acceptable in terms of adult content and violence varies down to an individual level.

Simply put, it is an unreasonable expectation for you to install DandGuardian, or any other filter, and it meets your personal standards.

Last, why are you two ranting about this on the forums ?

You should be using the DansGuardian mailing list.

I agree with forrestcupp , it is poor netiquette to be ranting about projects when you should be taking this as an opportunity to contribute to improvements.

nixblog
April 15th, 2012, 06:33 AM
I agree with forrestcupp , it is poor netiquette to be ranting about projects when you should be taking this as an opportunity to contribute to improvements.

To be honest, I have all but given up on filtering via the localhost and prefer these days to use a professional service such as OpenDNS. If you need to stop nasties appearing on childrens computers then point the computers to OpenDNS. if adults have a problem with porn etc then a proxy type filter is not going to help them too much, maybe counselling would be a better move.

stlsaint
June 5th, 2012, 10:19 PM
@OP,
Sorry but you are wrong. DG DOES in fact block playboy out the box as i have now configured it on 4 separate systems to do just that. Take a glance at this weeks upcoming UCE Beta and see for yourself. I have spoken personally with the DG maintainer and he assures that the project is not dead. Also a fact is that there indeed is a DG fork called MinD! (That is the runner up to future content filters for UCE after some more development on it!)
UCE will come with DG and privoxy configured, (blocking playboy out the box!!)

Anastasis
July 4th, 2012, 07:43 AM
@ the OP, I would love to hear the back story of how you found this out. :D


@ Anastasis, Wow! I don't know where to start. First of all, Gnome is definitely not dead. Your personal preference is that you do not like it, but that's not everyone's preference. I happen to love Gnome Shell, and think it's the best thing to happen to the DE world in a long time.

Secondly, you can't really be hard on the community for not forking DansGuardian and not do anything about it yourself. Even if you don't know how to code, you could be more productive in trying to organize people who do, instead of bashing us for not doing it.

Also, you talk about how Windows and Mac have great closed source options, but Linux doesn't have any open source options at all. Do you think it's wrong to use the closed source options we have in Linux? Not everything in Linux has to be open source. I, personally, haven't tried to find any system wide solutions, but there are plenty of anti-porn add-ons for Firefox that work well in Linux. Searching the add-ons for "porn filter" turns up a lot of results. I've used ProCon Latte, and it worked pretty well. A couple of others are Anti-Porn Pro and Christian Anti-Porn. So you can't really say there isn't anything out there at all.


You're right, forrest. I was wrong those 6 months ago when I thought the Gnome was dead. It's alive! It's alive! Like Frankenstein's monster. It's being reanimated by hackers. It is due to hackers and only due to hackers that the Gnome is approaching functionality now--almost. (If you don't believe it, just give Linux Deepin a spin on the ol' turntable. By George, I think they've got it!). In fact, I was just using Debian sid last week and banging my head against my desk using the Gnome episode 3 and then suddenly I got a new add-on and thought, my goodness that ALMOST makes sense now.

I would say that if the hackers keep this up, the Gnome might be usable again in about 2 to 3 years. It's not that the newer GTK is wrong, it's that the Gnome suffers from attention deficit disorder and dyslexia right now. It's currently going through therapy and is improving. The Gnome just told me last week, "Hey! I wan be a special Desktop Environment too, you know! I'm not as stupid like you think I was!"

jaimerosario
August 21st, 2012, 08:03 AM
Did you try to combine Dansguardian with OpenDNS or NortonDNS?

FrogDemon
September 7th, 2012, 06:41 AM
I would also like to hear what fredbird was trying to do when he decided to view PB. Anyways, DG does block PB OOB.

Also, I personally like GnomeShell. I hate Unity, so when UCE is installed again after all these years, I will be installing GnomeShell and never look upon Unity again.

Carl.Spackler
September 8th, 2012, 01:42 AM
OpenDNS is a good option and it works well. Just keep in mind that there are some items it does not play well with if you are too agressive and the DNS response times are not always as quick as your ISP's DNS servers.

It goes without saying that if you use any type of security software (in my case tor), that you will have a difficult time getting any kind of server-side filtering to work anywhere.