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-gabe-noob-
October 14th, 2011, 02:26 AM
Hey guys, after years of ubuntu I've not once used the update tool to update to a new version of the buntu. The reason? It takes so frackin long! Looks like I'm goin'a go download the CD right now and do it that way, debating about keeping or killing my /home.

Anyway, does anyone use the update tool with more success than " You will be done in 3 Days"

KiwiNZ
October 14th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Hey guys, after years of ubuntu I've not once used the update tool to update to a new version of the buntu. The reason? It takes so frackin long! Looks like I'm goin'a go download the CD right now and do it that way, debating about keeping or killing my /home.

Anyway, does anyone use the update tool with more success than " You will be done in 3 Days"

are you saying it takes three days to do an upgrade on your machine?

What do you have a 286?

IWantFroyo
October 14th, 2011, 02:36 AM
are you saying it takes three days to do an upgrade on your machine?

What do you have a 286?

Once in a while, you get problems with mirrors and upgrading/installing.

The reason I never used Natty on my laptop is because every time I would try to install it the installer would tell me it would take about a day to finish downloading language packs.
And my laptop has pretty decent specs, too.

KiwiNZ
October 14th, 2011, 02:41 AM
Once in a while, you get problems with mirrors and upgrading/installing.

The reason I never used Natty on my laptop is because every time I would try to install it the installer would tell me it would take about a day to finish downloading language packs.
And my laptop has pretty decent specs, too.


I confess I don't move to the next release immediately it's released, I wait a week or more for the crowds to go away and the local mirrors seeded. I have never had an upgrade take more than a couple of hours at worst.

IWantFroyo
October 14th, 2011, 02:42 AM
I confess I don't move to the next release immediately it's released, I wait a week or more for the crowds to go away and the local mirrors seeded. I have never had an upgrade take more than a couple of hours at worst.

I see. When I tried to install Natty, the servers were probably way overloaded. Oneiric's install was perfectly fine though. I think it's because I disconnected from my wifi, because it kept telling me the hostname was in use no matter what I put.

-gabe-noob-
October 14th, 2011, 02:43 AM
I don't know what it is I've got a high speed cable connection and a decent enough computer. Maybe its just the boatload of people upgrading at the same time as me?

The world may never know...

ubupirate
October 14th, 2011, 02:44 AM
because it kept telling me the hostname was in use no matter what I put.

Appears to be a bug in 11.10.

My 10.04 install uses "desktop" as hostname, while the 11.10 install I tried was using "oneiric" hostname and it kept telling me it was in use. But when I tabbed down to the password fields, it check marked after it was telling me otherwise with the red X in a circle.

IWantFroyo
October 14th, 2011, 02:45 AM
Appears to be a bug in 11.10.

My 10.04 install uses "desktop" as hostname, while the 11.10 install I tried was using "oneiric" hostname and it kept telling me it was in use. But when I tabbed down to the password fields, it check marked after it was telling me otherwise with the red X in a circle.

Weird. I just disconnected. :)

wolfen69
October 14th, 2011, 02:48 AM
Maybe its just the boatload of people upgrading at the same time as me?


WE HAVE A WINNER! This is only the busiest day of the year for ubuntu's servers. It's like this every year on release day.

-gabe-noob-
October 14th, 2011, 02:50 AM
Just a quick question, I haven't used it but I noticed there's a thing on the live CD's now to preserve parts of my /home anyway to tell it to just keep all my office docs?

wolfen69
October 14th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Just a quick question, I haven't used it but I noticed there's a thing on the live CD's now to preserve parts of my /home anyway to tell it to just keep all my office docs?

I wouldn't trust it. Just backup and go for it.

IWantFroyo
October 14th, 2011, 02:57 AM
I wouldn't trust it. Just backup and go for it.

+1.
Always backup. No matter what.

-gabe-noob-
October 14th, 2011, 02:59 AM
*brakes out the dusty external HD*

I'll see you on the other side

IWantFroyo
October 14th, 2011, 03:13 AM
*salutes*

Good luck.

FuturePilot
October 14th, 2011, 05:03 AM
Hey guys, after years of ubuntu I've not once used the update tool to update to a new version of the buntu. The reason? It takes so frackin long! Looks like I'm goin'a go download the CD right now and do it that way, debating about keeping or killing my /home.

Anyway, does anyone use the update tool with more success than " You will be done in 3 Days"
This is probably because whatever repository you are using is being hammered. Try finding a local mirror. Also, I've been using the upgrade tool for years and I've never had a problem with it.

I wouldn't trust it. Just backup and go for it.


+1.
Always backup. No matter what.

You do realize that upgrades are tested more than fresh installs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9732239&postcount=8) right?

wolfen69
October 14th, 2011, 07:19 AM
You do realize that upgrades are tested more than fresh installs (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9732239&postcount=8) right?

That's because if they didn't test it more, it would be a complete mess. It only makes sense that fresh installs require less testing, because there are less variables. A clean slate is easier to work with.

Do what you want, but as someone who basically installs OS's for a living, I tend to trust myself in these matters. If I don't do things the right way, I lose customers. Believe what you want. Good night.

krapp
October 14th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Just a quick question, I haven't used it but I noticed there's a thing on the live CD's now to preserve parts of my /home anyway to tell it to just keep all my office docs?

No!

Try it out and tell me if it works!

speedwell68
October 14th, 2011, 11:21 PM
That's because if they didn't test it more, it would be a complete mess. It only makes sense that fresh installs require less testing, because there are less variables. A clean slate is easier to work with.

Do what you want, but as someone who basically installs OS's for a living, I tend to trust myself in these matters. If I don't do things the right way, I lose customers. Believe what you want. Good night.

^^^This. I used the upgrade tool once, to upgrade to 7.10 from 7.04 and it fubar'd my system. I always do a fresh install.

Artemis3
October 15th, 2011, 02:08 AM
I have been upgrading fine for the last 5 years, with a 1024/512 kbps dsl connection.

Don't upgrade when its announced. Either do it the days before; or a couple of weeks later. Later is best for the ugly bugs to get found...

Change the mirror! Avoid the main one, or the default for your country. You can try the "select best server" button in synaptic.

If you are desperate, get the torrent for the alternate cd; you can use that to upgrade.

It is possible to wipe partitions and leave /home; but you must always choose manual partitioning; backup just in case...

wolfen69
October 15th, 2011, 03:32 AM
^^^This. I used the upgrade tool once, to upgrade to 7.10 from 7.04 and it fubar'd my system. I always do a fresh install.

Thank you for your support. I personally don't have any "world class" customers, but I can't even imagine doing/supervising an upgrade. The only way I can "guarantee" a good result, is to do a clean install. Other hard core installers know what I'm talking about. I just try to leave nothing to chance. Overwriting files is not the best way to install. :P

wolfen69
October 15th, 2011, 03:34 AM
I have been upgrading fine for the last 5 years
I guess that means that you've had the same computer for the last 5 years? <scratches head>

Calerid
October 15th, 2011, 04:04 AM
I updated to 11.10, 6 hours..... Hated the layout when I installed gnome fallback.... Then reinstalled 11.04. lol

FuturePilot
October 15th, 2011, 04:31 AM
That's because if they didn't test it more, it would be a complete mess. It only makes sense that fresh installs require less testing, because there are less variables. A clean slate is easier to work with.

Do what you want, but as someone who basically installs OS's for a living, I tend to trust myself in these matters. If I don't do things the right way, I lose customers. Believe what you want. Good night.

Myth. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9930920&postcount=2)

vasa1
October 15th, 2011, 05:00 AM
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Don't upgrade when its announced. Either do it the days before; or a couple of weeks later. Later is best for the ugly bugs to get found...
...

Just curious but how can one "do it the days before"? Does the upgrade prompt appear before the release is available?

Asking from a newbie perspective, not from a dev tester's angle.