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Zeta-K
September 24th, 2011, 12:03 AM
Anyone know of a keyboard with this layout:
AWESOME KEYBOARD (http://www.loup-vaillant.fr/articles/keyboard/keyboard-straight.jpg)
All I can find is the typematrix which has buttons in the middle of the keyboard, so I don't want it.

papibe
September 24th, 2011, 12:27 AM
Like this (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0303636) one?

Regards.

sisco311
September 24th, 2011, 12:41 AM
I think, by straight, Zeta-K means that the keys are arranged in straight columns.

LowSky
September 24th, 2011, 02:14 AM
I couldn't see using a keyboard with that layout, touch typing would be harsh too since you can't fell the difference between lines and fingers hitting multiple keys.

The design exist in usually very small handheld models like the Rii wireless keyboard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILXuNkqo-hU). But on a full size model I haven't seen it.

Lightstar
September 24th, 2011, 03:06 AM
The reason keys are slanted is because your arms are not parallel when you type.

I wouldn't want to use a keyboard like that ever.
It's nice on the eyes though

red_Marvin
September 24th, 2011, 03:17 PM
The reason keys are slanted is because your arms are not parallel when you type.

That would be all fine and dandy if it weren't for the fact that the
left/right slants on the keyboard are different. No slant or equal slant
would be better I think...

You might want to check out the typematrix keyboard, it is expensive though
and the layout differs in more ways than the slant.

b.ash
September 24th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Check out this one (http://www.amazon.com/TypeMatrix-2030-USB-Keyboard-Skin/dp/B004DBA3OK/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1316874054&sr=8-9), it's set up as a Dvorak keyboard though, not qwerty. I want to try one out and see how it is.

haqking
September 24th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Typematrix do them http://typematrix.com/

They have various styles http://typematrix.com/2030/why.php

Enjoy

b.ash
September 24th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Here (http://www.amazon.com/TypeMatrix-2030-USB-Keyboard-Skin/dp/B004DB6HZY/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1316874260&sr=1-7) is a qwerty one, but it looks like they are out of stock on amazon.

red_Marvin
September 24th, 2011, 03:43 PM
b.ash, make note, they are only skins for the real keyboard, some sort of silicon (or whatever) cover with a layout printed on them.

b.ash
September 24th, 2011, 03:59 PM
b.ash, make note, they are only skins for the real keyboard, some sort of silicon (or whatever) cover with a layout printed on them.

Good call, I just did a quick search for them. I knew I had seen them before though.
If you check out haqking (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1317912)'s links they do make actual keyboards as well.

haqking
September 24th, 2011, 04:11 PM
Good call, I just did a quick search for them. I knew I had seen them before though.
If you check out haqking (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1317912)'s links they do make actual keyboards as well.

indeed.

You can buy the keyboards or the skins direct from the manufacturer, though they are awaiting a delivery from the factory i think.

They are expensive for a keyboard though.

They have tried for years to reduce RSI with different designs of keyboards, i think the only solution is not to type as much ;-)

David Andersson
September 24th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The reason keys are slanted is because your arms are not parallel when you type.

No. As red_Marvin said, the slanting for the left hand is wrong (Q-A-Z is for the same finger). The real reason for the keys not being aligned vertically is to give room for the levers under the keys on a mechanical typewriter. That's why two pair of rows are shifted exactly 1/4 width, and one pair exactly 1/2 width. See picture on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Continental_Standard_typewriter_keyboard_-_key_detail.jpg



All I can find is the typematrix which has buttons in the middle of the keyboard, so I don't want it.


I wouldn't want to use a keyboard like that ever.

I had a TypeMatrix 2020 for a year. It has tab, return and delete in unusual positions, but it was surprisingly easy to get used to. It was also more comfortable to touch type with the straight layout. The reduced width, compared to a standard keyboard, also made mouse usage more comfortable. You should not dismiss it right away.

(The only drawback was that special keys home, end, pgup, and pgdown are indirect keys, needing a functions key to be pressed simultaneously. That seems to be better on the 2030 model, but I have not tried it.)

David Andersson
September 24th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Anyone know of a keyboard with this layout:
AWESOME KEYBOARD (http://www.loup-vaillant.fr/articles/keyboard/keyboard-straight.jpg)


That image is part of this article http://www.loup-vaillant.fr/articles/better-keyboards

The article mentions and links to straight keyboards by Maltron, Kinesis, Typematrix and Datadesk. It also explains in a pedagogical way the problems with a staggered keyboard.

red_Marvin
September 25th, 2011, 01:55 AM
Good call, I just did a quick search for them. I knew I had seen them before though.
If you check out haqking (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1317912)'s links they do make actual keyboards as well.

Yeah I know, I mentioned them, just did not link them...

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What I'd really want is a split typematrix type keyboard; because of the
narrow keyboard width, the natural angles of the fingers would work better
with a slanted layout (as in ////, .\\\\ ). So a slanted layout doesmake sense,
it is just that the standard one is wrong.

BrokenKingpin
September 26th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Why would you want a keyboard like that? Once you learned to type with that you wouldn't be able to use any other keyboard properly.

red_Marvin
September 27th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Seriously? Do you argue against a new solution to a problem because the solution is not well distributed on its inception?

For what it matters, I am a dvorak user too, and we are all likely to be linux users here in the first place...