typo in the main forums page

[garba]

shouldn't that be:

dapper drake development release
the place to go to TO discuss the dapper drake development

:-# :-#

should I file a bug report about this? :mrgreen:

[Lord Illidan]

shouldn't that be:

dapper drake development release
the place to go to TO discuss the dapper drake development

:-# :-#

should I file a bug report about this? :mrgreen:

Actually... the best would be : The place where to discuss the Dapper Drake...

[dabear]

shouldn't that be:

dapper drake development release
the place to go to TO discuss the dapper drake development

:-# :-#

should I file a bug report about this? :mrgreen:
Huh, two «to»'s? Isn't it correct as it is written now?

[BoyOfDestiny]

shouldn't that be:

dapper drake development release
the place to go to TO discuss the dapper drake development

:-# :-#

should I file a bug report about this? :mrgreen:

Probably here,
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48

Two to's next to each other is wrong.

If anything it should be:

the place to go to discuss dapper drake development (in this case removing the "the")

or

the place to go to discuss the dapper drake development release

[garba]

Two to's next to each other is wrong.


why is that? I've never heard of such a rule before, but if some native english speaker can shed some light on this i'd be thankful 8)
in my opinion that makes perfect sense:

the place (to go to) (to discuss) bla bla bla

[grsing]

Or just "the place to discuss the Dapper Drake development release."

[BoyOfDestiny]

why is that? I've never heard of such a rule before, but if some native english speaker can shed some light on this i'd be thankful 8)
in my opinion that makes perfect sense:

the place (to go to) (to discuss) bla bla bla

Well I'm a native english speaker, I just know it's wrong. It's ok with commas, otherwise it just shouldn't occur...

Again the example you gave, the 'to' after 'go' isn't necessary.

I will google a bit and see if I can find anything formal...

EDIT: It is hard to google things about "to"...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Maybe someone who has majored in english can help explain the reason... Anyway, if you look in books, newspapers, magazines, etc... There should never be an instance of "to to"

[Horizon]

In speech having "to to" is perfectly correct, even without a pause. I'm pretty sure it's ok to write it in the same way but most of the time there really isn't a need for two "to"s to be next to each other and people usually try to avoid it in an effort to be "proper". As with the case with the forum description it's usually possible to ommit the second "to" without losing much (or any) meaning.

The proposed change would just change the description from "more proper" to casual. IMHO the current description is spot on.

[thasheep]

why is that? I've never heard of such a rule before, but if some native english speaker can shed some light on this i'd be thankful 8)
in my opinion that makes perfect sense:

the place (to go to) (to discuss) bla bla bla
Despite my current country, I am a native English speaker. I don't mean to give a lecture, but you did ask.
Clauses shouldn't end in a preposition. Unfortunately, it happens quite often but it shouldn't. The main clause here is "(This forum is) the place to go". Putting a further "to" (a preposition) at the end is unneeded (we are already going TO the place) and wrong.
Personally, I'd write leave out the word 'the' but this isn't essential, just makes it more elegent in my opinion. I'd also not captitalise 'development'
So....
"The place to go to discuss Dapper Drake development"
Or even
"The place to discuss Dapper Drake development"
In any case, this forum should be closed tomorrow so I don't think we need worry too much.

[Skye]

As far as I know, there is no rule in english about repeating two instances of "to" next to each other. It may be confusing and slightly more obfuscated than necessary, but it's not grammatically wrong.

EDIT: I asked my dad, (he majored in English, and taught college level english for a few years in Madison) and he says that it is grammatically incorrect. I stand corrected.

[BoyOfDestiny]

to to is wrong, it is explained in this excellent post:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1070074&postcount=9

Even if it's used in informal speech, that doesn't make it grammatically correct.

If I had a dollar for everytime someone used "alot" on this forum... Don't get me started on "virii"...

These are used pretty often, but will continue to be wrong unless everyone accepts it, and the language itself changes...

[wolfiii]

I agree with thasheep, it just should be :
"The place to discuss Dapper Drake development"

The description used in the moment, sounds a bit like bad english and not well educated.

[Harold P]

Make "go to to" into... "goto for"? :P

[matthew]

This really belongs in Forum Site Discussion, so I'm going to move the thread...carry on.

[BoyOfDestiny]

Make "go to to" into... "goto for"? :P

'goto' is valid in BASIC, but for English we have to stick to 'go to'

[frying_fish]

the instance of double words, is not grammatically wrong, just like you can have "had had" in a sentence such as "Jill and Bob had had to perform task a but they no longer have to" or something to that effect, however it is more elegant to not use that sort of phrasing, and as such would be simpler without the duplication.

[Sef]

The only time I know of when you show to...to together is in a dialog when someone stumbles or hesitates. Otherwise it is wrong.

[Sef]

the instance of double words, is not grammatically wrong, just like you can have "had had" in a sentence such as "Jill and Bob had had to perform task a but they no longer have to"

With had had, the words are serving different functions, not the same function.

The first had is past being used as an auxillary verb (helping verb); the second had is a past participle being used as the the main verb.

[amp_man]

The original statement makes perfect sense. (The place to go) (to discuss) (the blah blah blah). And I might not be an english major, but I've taken college english classes.

[Horizon]

Well i never really tend to agree with the English/grammar enthusiasts/majors. I have always believed that he language is defined by the people. If enough people use "to to" and it doesn't obscure the meaning then it IS correct in my book. And if it does obscure the meaning then you can call it slang until it has been around and used long enough to be "proper". The things you like to call rules I like to call "general guidelines"... The key word there is general, where the guidelines generally help to aid in the effectiveness of communication but not always. Well that's how I feel on the subject anyway...

[garba]

I didn't expect my thread to get so many replies, thanks a lot! well you never stop learning, still I can't quite understand why on earth two to's next to each other should be regarded as grammatically incorrect... it might sound odd that's true but there are so many things with the english language that never made sense to me that I'll simply have to add this "no-to-to" rule to the list and live with it :mrgreen: anyway, I am not so sure I'll ever manage to omit that extra "to" when speaking/writing, I just find it unnatural.

[garba]

The original statement makes perfect sense. (The place to go) (to discuss) (the blah blah blah). And I might not be an english major, but I've taken college english classes.

"the place to go" doesn't sound that good to me, it should be "the place to go TO", but hey that's just me, I am no native english speaker, neither have I ever taken english courses at college level... as far as I know such an usage for the "go" verb (i.e. with no "to" preposition) would be acceptable in a sentence like "two minutes to go", for example... :-k

[amp_man]

When you say something like "to go to the store", it's actually broken down into (to go) (to the store), not (to go to) (the store). Think about other such uses, like (to go) (down the street). "To go" is the verb, "down the street" is your noun.

And btw, I am a native english speaker, and I say it's right, so there! :p

[Horizon]

When you say something like "to go to the store", it's actually broken down into (to go) (to the store), not (to go to) (the store). Think about other such uses, like (to go) (down the street). "To go" is the verb, "down the street" is your noun.

And btw, I am a native english speaker, and I say it's right, so there! :p
There is a way that it makes sense, and that is in saying "the place to go to" as a statement of its own, you could kind of call it slang or just casual speech, like "where it's at". So when i read it I get "It's the place to go!" as the first statement and the second statement being what you can do there, "to dicuss, to blah blah". All of which still kind of missuse the to but that doesn't stop it from meaning the same thing.

Well this discussion is pretty much over, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, and after the first few posts it just turned into something else entirely.