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daniel-fairhaven
June 15th, 2011, 07:01 AM
Newbie with Ubuntu 11.04 (from PCWorld.co.nz). Ubuntu is installed on D:\ (hdb), Windows 7 on C:\ (hda).

How can I change between OS during boot, all I get is Windows (D:\ no longer in Explorer), I cannot change using Boot Options (just offers HardDisk or CdDvdDrive).

Any Ideas or help please.

sanderd17
June 15th, 2011, 07:14 AM
How did you install it? With WUBI (inside Windows) or as a dual boot (next to windows)?

If you don't know, please follow this steps and post the result: http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/

nirab
June 15th, 2011, 07:15 AM
here is a link that might help

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/step-by-step-guide-installing-ubuntu-11-04-natty-on-a-windows-7-dual-booting.html

maybe you went wrong during one of the steps

daniel-fairhaven
June 15th, 2011, 08:49 AM
My installation process as follows.
____________________

Burned ISO onto CDR.
Booted to CD Drive.
Pressed ESC during boot and loaded to DEMO.
Installed from DEMO;
Language > Download Updates/Third Party; both not ticked
Allocate Drive Space; something else
New Partition > [D:\] > sub parts set to 'ext4' 2-4gb; no size issues
My Country
US Keyboard
My Details
Rebooted after successful Install; removing CD.
____________________

After reboot went to Windows; no D:\ listed
Successive restarts go to Windows. Boot order doesn't include D:\



Hope that helps.

shibu_sawyer
June 15th, 2011, 09:02 AM
i think something went wrong in partition,cos u have to allocate a swap space.. better you install ubuntu inside the windows.
format the partition D: using windows., insert the ubuntu cd into the drive.select install inside windows and give a user name and password thats all ,cd ejects automatically,you reboot the s/m. A screen shows dual os(win/ubuntu),select ubuntu thats it.

mastablasta
June 15th, 2011, 09:39 AM
i think something went wrong in partition,cos u have to allocate a swap space.. better you install ubuntu inside the windows.
format the partition D: using windows., insert the ubuntu cd into the drive.select install inside windows and give a user name and password thats all ,cd ejects automatically,you reboot the s/m. A screen shows dual os(win/ubuntu),select ubuntu thats it.


actually you can do it without swap partition it's just risky.

And no this is not the problem.

@daniel-fairhaven please use the bootinfo script. the link to it was provided by sanderd17

it might be that you didn't install the boot manager on the right disk. but it's hard to say wihtout knowing exaclty what happens on boot and how partitions are flagged. script will tell this. follow the instructions provided on it's wesbite.

solution might be close but it's hard to say if we don't know the exact system configuration of boot.

your D:\ is not listed in windows because it has a file system that windows doesn't recognise unless you use special tools.

daniel-fairhaven
June 15th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Ok, managed to get the CD Demo up and ran the script.


_________________________
_________________________

Boot Info Script 0.60 from 17 May 2011


============================= Boot Info Summary: ===============================

=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda.
=> Grub2 (v1.99) is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdb and looks at sector 1 of
the same hard drive for core.img. core.img is at this location and looks
for (,msdos1)/grub on this drive.
=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdc.
=> No boot loader is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdd.

sda1: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista/7
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files: /bootmgr /Boot/BCD

sda2: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista/7
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System: Windows 7
Boot files: /bootmgr /boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe
/wubildr /ubuntu/winboot/wubildr /wubildr.mbr
/ubuntu/winboot/wubildr.mbr

sda3: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: vfat
Boot sector type: Unknown
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb1: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files: /grub/grub.cfg /grub/core.img

sdb2: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: Extended Partition
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

sdb5: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb6: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb7: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb8: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb9: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb10: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb11: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdb12: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: swap
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

sdb13: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System: Ubuntu 11.04
Boot files: /etc/fstab

sdc1: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista/7
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files:

sdd1: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: vfat
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files:

============================ Drive/Partition Info: =============================

Drive: sda __________________________________________________ ___________________

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Partition Boot Start Sector End Sector # of Sectors Id System

/dev/sda1 * 2,048 409,599 407,552 7 NTFS / exFAT / HPFS
/dev/sda2 409,600 624,928,767 624,519,168 7 NTFS / exFAT / HPFS
/dev/sda3 624,928,768 625,140,399 211,632 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)


Drive: sdb __________________________________________________ ___________________

Disk /dev/sdb: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Partition Boot Start Sector End Sector # of Sectors Id System

/dev/sdb1 * 2,048 3,905,535 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb2 3,907,582 595,699,711 591,792,130 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 3,907,584 7,811,071 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb6 7,813,120 11,716,607 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb7 11,718,656 19,529,727 7,811,072 83 Linux
/dev/sdb8 19,531,776 23,435,263 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb9 23,437,312 27,340,799 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb10 27,342,848 31,246,335 3,903,488 83 Linux
/dev/sdb11 31,248,384 39,059,455 7,811,072 83 Linux
/dev/sdb12 39,061,504 58,591,231 19,529,728 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb13 58,593,280 595,699,711 537,106,432 83 Linux


Drive: sdc __________________________________________________ ___________________

Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000202043392 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121600 cylinders, total 1953519616 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Partition Boot Start Sector End Sector # of Sectors Id System

/dev/sdc1 2,048 1,953,519,615 1,953,517,568 7 NTFS / exFAT / HPFS


Drive: sdd __________________________________________________ ___________________

Disk /dev/sdd: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes
81 heads, 10 sectors/track, 19165 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Partition Boot Start Sector End Sector # of Sectors Id System

/dev/sdd1 8,192 15,523,839 15,515,648 b W95 FAT32


"blkid" output: __________________________________________________ ______________

Device UUID TYPE LABEL

/dev/loop0 squashfs
/dev/sda1 B0C20CCCC20C98AC ntfs SYSTEM
/dev/sda2 92A0DE91A0DE7AE5 ntfs Layer 01
/dev/sda3 846B-6E0E vfat HP_TOOLS
/dev/sdb1 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a ext4
/dev/sdb10 07a260ab-0eca-430b-968f-758864aefa4d ext4
/dev/sdb11 76019983-3288-48d1-bf06-63635a96552b ext4
/dev/sdb12 2a856549-d59b-4839-ac42-132e3d60c4b8 swap
/dev/sdb13 6ace193d-0332-4a3e-a21a-26caa3f4cd41 ext4
/dev/sdb5 cec9e86c-0179-4466-8236-8337ec39e28d ext4
/dev/sdb6 7b5e5bf0-8df0-4ef7-aa16-7fa1e52737b5 ext4
/dev/sdb7 ee7d6faa-6bcb-4e47-9278-2f976254e5aa ext4
/dev/sdb8 c6a967a0-7ec4-4637-aaf0-628a58aa1068 ext4
/dev/sdb9 628254ad-c459-4ea2-81c0-a0abc7f90632 ext4
/dev/sdc1 4C704FF7704FE5F4 ntfs Unknown Layer
/dev/sdd1 3866-3865 vfat PIP BOY

================================ Mount points: =================================

Device Mount_Point Type Options

/dev/loop0 /rofs squashfs (ro,noatime)
/dev/sdc1 /media/Unknown Layer fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_ permissions)
/dev/sr0 /cdrom iso9660 (ro,noatime)


============================= sdb1/grub/grub.cfg: ==============================

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates
# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
#

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/00_header ###
if [ -s $prefix/grubenv ]; then
set have_grubenv=true
load_env
fi
set default="0"
if [ "${prev_saved_entry}" ]; then
set saved_entry="${prev_saved_entry}"
save_env saved_entry
set prev_saved_entry=
save_env prev_saved_entry
set boot_once=true
fi

function savedefault {
if [ -z "${boot_once}" ]; then
saved_entry="${chosen}"
save_env saved_entry
fi
}

function recordfail {
set recordfail=1
if [ -n "${have_grubenv}" ]; then if [ -z "${boot_once}" ]; then save_env recordfail; fi; fi
}

function load_video {
insmod vbe
insmod vga
insmod video_bochs
insmod video_cirrus
}

insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos7)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root ee7d6faa-6bcb-4e47-9278-2f976254e5aa
if loadfont /share/grub/unicode.pf2 ; then
set gfxmode=auto
load_video
insmod gfxterm
fi
terminal_output gfxterm
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a
set locale_dir=($root)/grub/locale
set lang=en_NZ
insmod gettext
if [ "${recordfail}" = 1 ]; then
set timeout=-1
else
set timeout=10
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/00_header ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###
set menu_color_normal=white/black
set menu_color_highlight=black/light-gray
if background_color 44,0,30; then
clear
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
if [ ${recordfail} != 1 ]; then
if [ -e ${prefix}/gfxblacklist.txt ]; then
if hwmatch ${prefix}/gfxblacklist.txt 3; then
if [ ${match} = 0 ]; then
set linux_gfx_mode=keep
else
set linux_gfx_mode=text
fi
else
set linux_gfx_mode=text
fi
else
set linux_gfx_mode=keep
fi
else
set linux_gfx_mode=text
fi
export linux_gfx_mode
if [ "$linux_gfx_mode" != "text" ]; then load_video; fi
menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.38-8-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
recordfail
set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a
linux /vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic root=UUID=6ace193d-0332-4a3e-a21a-26caa3f4cd41 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
initrd /initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
}
menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.38-8-generic (recovery mode)' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
recordfail
set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a
echo 'Loading Linux 2.6.38-8-generic ...'
linux /vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic root=UUID=6ace193d-0332-4a3e-a21a-26caa3f4cd41 ro single
echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
initrd /initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
}
### END /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###
### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ###
menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+)" {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a
linux16 /memtest86+.bin
}
menuentry "Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)" {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a
linux16 /memtest86+.bin console=ttyS0,115200n8
}
### END /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+ ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
menuentry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" --class windows --class os {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ntfs
set root='(/dev/sda,msdos1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root B0C20CCCC20C98AC
chainloader +1
}
menuentry "Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (on /dev/sda2)" --class windows --class os {
insmod part_msdos
insmod ntfs
set root='(/dev/sda,msdos2)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 92A0DE91A0DE7AE5
drivemap -s (hd0) ${root}
chainloader +1
}
### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/40_custom ###
# This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries. Simply type the
# menu entries you want to add after this comment. Be careful not to change
# the 'exec tail' line above.
### END /etc/grub.d/40_custom ###

### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/41_custom ###
if [ -f $prefix/custom.cfg ]; then
source $prefix/custom.cfg;
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/41_custom ###
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

=================== sdb1: Location of files loaded by Grub: ====================

GiB - GB File Fragment(s)

0.152404785 = 0.163643392 grub/core.img 1
0.153327942 = 0.164634624 grub/grub.cfg 1
0.169166565 = 0.181641216 initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic 1
0.133743286 = 0.143605760 vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic 1

=============================== sdb13/etc/fstab: ===============================

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
# for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
# devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
# / was on /dev/sdb13 during installation
UUID=6ace193d-0332-4a3e-a21a-26caa3f4cd41 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /boot was on /dev/sdb1 during installation
UUID=2055132b-e43d-43b2-a467-8988da9ff44a /boot ext4 defaults 0 2
# /home was on /dev/sdb5 during installation
UUID=cec9e86c-0179-4466-8236-8337ec39e28d /home ext4 defaults 0 2
# /opt was on /dev/sdb10 during installation
UUID=07a260ab-0eca-430b-968f-758864aefa4d /opt ext4 defaults 0 2
# /srv was on /dev/sdb9 during installation
UUID=628254ad-c459-4ea2-81c0-a0abc7f90632 /srv ext4 defaults 0 2
# /tmp was on /dev/sdb6 during installation
UUID=7b5e5bf0-8df0-4ef7-aa16-7fa1e52737b5 /tmp ext4 defaults 0 2
# /usr was on /dev/sdb7 during installation
UUID=ee7d6faa-6bcb-4e47-9278-2f976254e5aa /usr ext4 defaults 0 2
# /usr/local was on /dev/sdb11 during installation
UUID=76019983-3288-48d1-bf06-63635a96552b /usr/local ext4 defaults 0 2
# /var was on /dev/sdb8 during installation
UUID=c6a967a0-7ec4-4637-aaf0-628a58aa1068 /var ext4 defaults 0 2
# swap was on /dev/sdb12 during installation
UUID=2a856549-d59b-4839-ac42-132e3d60c4b8 none swap sw 0 0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

======================== Unknown MBRs/Boot Sectors/etc: ========================

Unknown BootLoader on sda3

00000000 eb 58 90 4d 53 44 4f 53 35 2e 30 00 02 02 ca 19 |.X.MSDOS5.0.....|
00000010 02 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00 3f 00 ff 00 00 a8 3f 25 |........?.....?%|
00000020 b0 3a 03 00 1b 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 |.:..............|
00000030 01 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
00000040 80 00 29 0e 6e 6b 84 4e 4f 20 4e 41 4d 45 20 20 |..).nk.NO NAME |
00000050 20 20 46 41 54 33 32 20 20 20 33 c9 8e d1 bc f4 | FAT32 3.....|
00000060 7b 8e c1 8e d9 bd 00 7c 88 4e 02 8a 56 40 b4 41 |{......|.N..V@.A|
00000070 bb aa 55 cd 13 72 10 81 fb 55 aa 75 0a f6 c1 01 |..U..r...U.u....|
00000080 74 05 fe 46 02 eb 2d 8a 56 40 b4 08 cd 13 73 05 |t..F..-.V@....s.|
00000090 b9 ff ff 8a f1 66 0f b6 c6 40 66 0f b6 d1 80 e2 |.....f...@f.....|
000000a0 3f f7 e2 86 cd c0 ed 06 41 66 0f b7 c9 66 f7 e1 |?.......Af...f..|
000000b0 66 89 46 f8 83 7e 16 00 75 38 83 7e 2a 00 77 32 |f.F..~..u8.~*.w2|
000000c0 66 8b 46 1c 66 83 c0 0c bb 00 80 b9 01 00 e8 2b |f.F.f..........+|
000000d0 00 e9 2c 03 a0 fa 7d b4 7d 8b f0 ac 84 c0 74 17 |..,...}.}.....t.|
000000e0 3c ff 74 09 b4 0e bb 07 00 cd 10 eb ee a0 fb 7d |<.t............}|
000000f0 eb e5 a0 f9 7d eb e0 98 cd 16 cd 19 66 60 80 7e |....}.......f`.~|
00000100 02 00 0f 84 20 00 66 6a 00 66 50 06 53 66 68 10 |.... .fj.fP.Sfh.|
00000110 00 01 00 b4 42 8a 56 40 8b f4 cd 13 66 58 66 58 |....B.V@....fXfX|
00000120 66 58 66 58 eb 33 66 3b 46 f8 72 03 f9 eb 2a 66 |fXfX.3f;F.r...*f|
00000130 33 d2 66 0f b7 4e 18 66 f7 f1 fe c2 8a ca 66 8b |3.f..N.f......f.|
00000140 d0 66 c1 ea 10 f7 76 1a 86 d6 8a 56 40 8a e8 c0 |.f....v....V@...|
00000150 e4 06 0a cc b8 01 02 cd 13 66 61 0f 82 75 ff 81 |.........fa..u..|
00000160 c3 00 02 66 40 49 75 94 c3 42 4f 4f 54 4d 47 52 |...f@Iu..BOOTMGR|
00000170 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ............|
00000180 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
*
000001a0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0d 0a 52 65 |..............Re|
000001b0 6d 6f 76 65 20 64 69 73 6b 73 20 6f 72 20 6f 74 |move disks or ot|
000001c0 68 65 72 20 6d 65 64 69 61 2e ff 0d 0a 44 69 73 |her media....Dis|
000001d0 6b 20 65 72 72 6f 72 ff 0d 0a 50 72 65 73 73 20 |k error...Press |
000001e0 61 6e 79 20 6b 65 79 20 74 6f 20 72 65 73 74 61 |any key to resta|
000001f0 72 74 0d 0a 00 00 00 00 00 ac cb d8 00 00 55 aa |rt............U.|
00000200


=============================== StdErr Messages: ===============================

unlzma: Decoder error

_________________________
_________________________

Thats what I got.

<< Edit: 'sdc' & 'sdd' are my External HD and Cellphone >>

sanderd17
June 15th, 2011, 12:36 PM
First, post the output between CODE tags (click on the # in the editor) this will make the output more readable.

As far as I see, it should work if you install GRUB to /dev/sda.

Follow point 13 in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275

Your root directory (noted with /dev/sdXY in the tutorial) should be /dev/sdb1 and the device where you install it (noted with /dev/sdX in the tutorial) should be /dev/sda.

Mark Phelps
June 15th, 2011, 10:21 PM
You need to know that if you make a mistake and accidentally install GRUB to the Win7 boot partition, that is likely to render Win7 unbootable.

Safest course is to do the following:
1) Disconnect the Win7 drive
2) Boot using an Ubuntu CD and reinstall GRUB
3) Reconnect the Win7 drive -- but continue to boot from the Ubuntu drive
4) Open a terminal in Ubuntu and enter "sudo update-grub". This will regenerate the GRUB menu and add an entry for Win7.

When you reboot, you should be seeing a GRUB menu.

oldfred
June 15th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Have you tried booting from sdb? You can change BIOS or use one time boot key (f12 on my system).

When dual booting & BIOS lets you select boot drive, I prefer to keep the windows boot loader on the sda drive where windows is installed and the grub2 boot loader on sdb where Ubuntu is installed. That way each hard drive could boot on its own if you have troubles with the other.

daniel-fairhaven
June 15th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Yeah, thanks Mark. I did what Sandred suggest a while ago (before your post) now I boot straight to ' grub> '.

I have no idea what to do know. Before this happened I booted from CD, ran terminal and followed the instructions to reinstall grub to my windows drive, sda, as suggested above.

I can pause startup showing options for bios, boot options etc... boot options being, HD, CD/DVD, and any usb devices i have (modem, fone etc).

*puppy dog eyes*
help

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Bump.

... please.

oldfred
June 16th, 2011, 05:10 AM
sanderd17 link to the instructions by drs305 should work to reinstall grub2's boot loader to sdb. You did include the extra line for mount /boot as you have a separate /boot and / (root) and the updated instructions for Natty's version of grub2?

sudo mount /dev/sdb13 /mnt
sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot

#If grub 1.99 with Natty uses boot not root-directory
sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sdb

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 05:25 AM
No I didn't. Just...

"sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt"
"sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdX"
"sudo umount /mnt"

I stuck at grub prompt, can't get it to load to Windows/Ubuntu or cmd.
Is there a way to remove grub from where I installed it and put it in /boot using grubprompt?

oldfred
June 16th, 2011, 05:39 AM
There are different parts of grub. The program is mostly in /boot. But the boot loader is in the MBR and then it uses part of the space right after the MBR for additional code.

You should just be able to rerun the install commands to update the grub2 boot loader in the MBR. It just needs to know where the rest of grub is (in /boot) and which partition is / (root).

Most desktops have /boot in the / partition as it simplifies things. But servers, RAID, LVM & some very old systems need a separate /boot. I assume this is a server with virtually every system folder in a separate partition. Most severs only break out a few partitions as the one's that may need more space or control depending on use - file, database, mail, web etc.

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 06:10 AM
Computer is not a server, HP Notebook running Win7 Home Edition.

Instructions I followed told me to partition and allocate file space for /boot, /usr, /var, swapspace... etc and allocate the rest to root ( / ). All this is on a seperate HD from my windows one.

Please keep in mind I am a n00b with this and also stuck in grubprompt.

Wild Man
June 16th, 2011, 09:29 AM
Computer is not a server, HP Notebook running Win7 Home Edition.

Instructions I followed told me to partition and allocate file space for /boot, /usr, /var, swapspace... etc and allocate the rest to root ( / ). All this is on a seperate HD from my windows one.

Please keep in mind I am a n00b with this and also stuck in grubprompt.
Hi, have you actually tried to get into the boot setup when you turn your computer on because your boot script shows the grub is on your sdb drive, it could just be a matter of selecting your sdb at start up the key well be like escape or f8 something like that, just look at what the screen says is your boot menu. If you have alread tried that I missed that I am sorry it is late and I just found your post I have not read every comment from all users.

sanderd17
June 16th, 2011, 09:44 AM
Computer is not a server, HP Notebook running Win7 Home Edition.

Instructions I followed told me to partition and allocate file space for /boot, /usr, /var, swapspace... etc and allocate the rest to root ( / ). All this is on a seperate HD from my windows one.

Please keep in mind I am a n00b with this and also stuck in grubprompt.

Those instructions sound like instructions for setting up a server. Normally you only need a root partition, or if you want to separate your personal data from your OS, you can also create a /home partition.

Would you mind reinstalling with less partitions? I didn't expect that you had a separate /boot. This changes the partitions you have to use in the grub-install command.

oldfred
June 16th, 2011, 04:48 PM
A couple of installs with screen shots. If not exactly same version screens may vary slightly but process is the same.

Ubuntu Install steps - then choose guide, close to what you want.
http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/index.html
Installs with good screenshots/examples:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p22.html
Install with separate /home from aysiu
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installseparatehome

My standard suggestion as a starting point:
For the Total space you want for Ubuntu:
Ubuntu's standard install is just / (root) & swap, but it is better to add another partition for /home:
1. 10-20 GB Mountpoint / primary or logical beginning ext4(or ext3)
2. all but 2 GB Mountpoint /home logical beginning ext3(or ext4)
3. 2 GB Mountpoint swap logical

Depending on how much memory you have you may not absolutely need swap but having some is still recommended. I do not hibernate (boots fast enough for me) but if hibernating then you need swap equal to RAM in GiB not GB. And if dual booting with windows a shared NTFS partition is also recommended. But you usually cannot create that as part of the install, just leave some space. Or partition in advance (recommended).
One advantage of partitioning in advance is that the installer will use the swap space to speed up the install. Thanks Herman for the tip.

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Thank you all for the recent help, it helps to know that the install I did was for a server... when this gets fixed I'll seperate as mentioned, /root, /swap, and /home.

However, I am stuck at the grubprompt screen and don't know how to continue to the gui, boot from cd or go to windows.

My bios boot order has; Internal Hard Drive, CD/DVD Drive, and any USB connected to the computer. Changing the order just sends me to grubprompt, nothing else.

Also this is a Notebook, I can't disconnect a drive to force the install off of the other, I seem to remember someone mentioning that.

Thanking you in advance. :)

sanderd17
June 16th, 2011, 09:21 PM
And why don't you do a normal desktop install?

A server installation on a notebook makes no sense at all. A fresh desktop installation will probably solve the problems, and if they aren't solved immediately, it will avoid further problems.

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 09:53 PM
Gov, I didn't know the difference at the time, this is in the Absolute Beginner forum. I can't force boot to CD/DVD from bios, I need info regarding grubprompt and how to proceed from there to the gui then i can hopfully rerun the install from the disk and rearrange the partions correctly. Or grub instructions to uninstall the sudo commands I ran from post #14.

Wild Man
June 16th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Gov, I didn't know the difference at the time, this is in the Absolute Beginner forum. I can't force boot to CD/DVD from bios, I need info regarding grubprompt and how to proceed from there to the gui then i can hopfully rerun the install from the disk and rearrange the partions correctly. Or grub instructions to uninstall the sudo commands I ran from post #14.
Hi, why can you not go into bios or the boot menu when you first turn on your system and choose to boot from cd rom? If you watch when you first turn on your system it will say what key to push to enter bios so you can change your boot order to boot cd first, and you will also see a boot menu and it will tell you what key to hit to enter boot menu then choose cd, the difference in the two is that the last one just boots cd first that one time and the first one changes it to boot cd first every time.

daniel-fairhaven
June 16th, 2011, 11:20 PM
I don't know why I can't boot to the cd. I can go into bios, I can change the boot order but it still boots to grubprompt no matter the order.

westie457
June 17th, 2011, 12:35 AM
Hi referring to sanderd17 earlier post suggesting you look at point 13 of this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
did you take a look at point 15?

This should help you through the grub prompt.

For more guidance take a look at this link
http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/

Hope this helps

daniel-fairhaven
June 17th, 2011, 02:33 AM
OK, I have access to the GUI and Terminal by following the #15 point on the Basics post.

Has this solved my issues with dual boot options? Will this mean I boot straight to the Ubuntu desktop instead of the Grub Prompt? or give me the options of Win 7 & Ubuntu?

Do I need to reinstall Ubuntu reallocating space for just /root, /home, and /swap?
Grub is on my windows hd should it be removed?

Wild Man
June 17th, 2011, 02:51 AM
OK, I have access to the GUI and Terminal by following the #15 point on the Basics post.

Has this solved my issues with dual boot options? Will this mean I boot straight to the Ubuntu desktop instead of the Grub Prompt? or give me the options of Win 7 & Ubuntu?

Do I need to reinstall Ubuntu reallocating space for just /root, /home, and /swap?
Grub is on my windows hd should it be removed?
Hi, yes they said you should reinstall ubuntu, and yes you want to put grub on the second drive, I will give you a link for installing to second drive. Also create the partitions as you mentioned.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p24.html

daniel-fairhaven
June 17th, 2011, 05:54 AM
Had to restart the computer, came up with grub again. Went through all the same stuff as before to get to the desktop again... however now it comes up with;

(initramfs)
Could not find the ISO /<name.iso>
blah blah, reload to windows and chkdsk (which i can't)

I had a look (ls) at the prompt but permissions prevent me going far.

Any ideas? All the installation info was the same as before when it worked... but now *shrug*

daniel-fairhaven
June 17th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Bump...

westie457
June 18th, 2011, 12:07 PM
sda2: __________________________________________________ ________________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista/7
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System: Windows 7
Boot files: /bootmgr /boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe
/wubildr /ubuntu/winboot/wubildr /wubildr.mbr
/ubuntu/winboot/wubildr.mbr

Hello, it looks to me that you installed inside Windows and somehow it got screwed up.

Can you boot into Windows?

If so go into Control Panel > Programs and Features. Check in the list if Ubuntu is there un-install it.
Then put the CD in the Drive, close any window that opens.

Reboot into the CD not (pressing any keys) wait until you get the install options window.

Select install

Choose location
Select keyboard

At the partitioning screen select something else to choose where you want the install to go.

The partitioning screens will guide you through the steps and when all is ready will give a final warning about changes will be written to disk.

Click on Install/Continue

That should have you up and running.


On the other hand. If nothing is listed under Programs and Features and is not listed in your Start Menu come back and we will try something different.

Good luck

sanderd17
June 18th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Bump...

Come on, your installation is completely screwed up (even before you asked it here). You have some Wubi installation and a disk that has 13 partitions.

Just reinstall the desktop edition (biggest partition for /home, 12 GB for root (/) and about 2 GB for swap), this should also discover your windows installation. If it doesn't discover your windows installation, then you can do what I suggested in the first page.

oldfred
June 18th, 2011, 05:05 PM
We often spend days here helping users, but sometimes reinstall is just the better choice. Especially if you do not have data or configurations to recover or have good backups. Most can reinstall in about an hour depending on computer and Internet speeds.

I have partitioned in advance and not included updates. With install from USB flash drive on a 3 year old system it took 9 minutes for a basic install. But downloading updates & some reconfiguration, still ended up about an hour to a working system.

daniel-fairhaven
June 18th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Yes, thank you for that. I know the install is messed up, that I've too many partitions. How ever I can't boot to CD (even by changing boot order), I can't boot to windows... It just goes to GrubPrompt. When I follow the help for Grub the process dumps me at Initramfs.

westie457
June 19th, 2011, 12:23 AM
Hello again, do you have a Windows 7 Install DVD? If yes stick that in the DVD-drive and re-boot. You should get a line of text on screen saying "Press any key to boot from CD/DVD"

The Windows DVD overrides any settings that you have in your BIOS.


In the next window select your Country and keyboard layout. Press Enter.

When the Install window appears select the option to repair your computer.

You might have to enter your Windows password as well

The next window will have several options - start-up repair, restore from an image, restore to an earlier point with System Restore, Memtest and 1 or 2 others.

Select Start-up repair, the system will then look for Windows installations. If it cannot find any that match the DVD it will stop and let you know. It should find only one ie Windows 7, click on continue and wait following any prompts that come up.

Look through the report that is displayed after. It might say at the end that the OS booted correctly. Try re-booting, if the repairs were successful then you will be in Windows. If unsuccessful you will be at the repair screen again. DO NOT PANIC.

Select the last option which is 2Open a Command-Prompt"

Enter these commands 1 at a time -ignoring the quote marks-pressing enter after each

"bootrec /fixmbr"
"bootrec /fixboot"
"bootrec /rebuildbcd"

Type in exit or quit then Reboot.

You will now have a working system without any Grub prompt and you will be free to do a clean install of Ubuntu.

Have a good time wherever you are.


PS Apologies for putting a long post about Windows on here, it was necessary to help a fellow Ubuntuer.
I know this works because I had to do it earlier when I stuffed up my spare box. You may laugh if you wish.