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Premature
December 15th, 2010, 07:24 PM
UK phone outlet MobilesPlease reported today that Windows Phone 7 sales may be even more lackluster than originally reported. Data gathered from phones bought on their website, as well as other networks that use their service, shows that only 3% of smartphones sold were Windows Phone devices. This is a far cry from the nearly 45% of sales that Android accounts for on the site, and less even than the dying Symbian platform.

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 07:26 PM
No surprises there.

johntaylor1887
December 15th, 2010, 07:31 PM
I guess MS didn't learn their lesson from their past failures. And it doesn't break my heart. ;)

madjr
December 15th, 2010, 07:31 PM
android is already outselling iphone.

estimated 300,000+ daily activations vs 230,000

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 07:37 PM
I guess MS didn't learn their lesson from their past failures. And it doesn't break my heart. ;)

They still dominate the PC market, do you really blame them for trying to break into the mobile market?

msrie
December 15th, 2010, 07:42 PM
They still dominate the PC market, do you really blame them for trying to break into the mobile market?

They are doing it as cloud computing will come sooner or later, and windows may have to deal with this, how will that work?

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 07:47 PM
They are doing it as cloud computing will come sooner or later, and windows may have to deal with this, how will that work?
I don't really see how this is relevant, however I also don't see cloud computing dominating the desktop market at all. That's why Google is targeting note/netbook devices with their OS.

msrie
December 15th, 2010, 07:55 PM
I don't really see how this is relevant, however I also don't see cloud computing dominating the desktop market at all. That's why Google is targeting note/netbook devices with their OS.

We will see. You can imagine that most all people who use computers hardly use them for anything other than just a few things. We have to agree to disagree. But thats why i reckon ms has come into this, as cloud computing may give all these devices special abilities, that only powerful comps have.

RiceMonster
December 15th, 2010, 08:06 PM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to do all that well.


Plus, I haven't heard anything good about it.

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 08:32 PM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to do all that well.


Plus, I haven't heard anything good about it.

Well, some of the WP7 phones have some pretty impressive hardware. Of course, they'd be even more impressive if they ran android.

Dr. C
December 15th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Android 2.2 has some killer applications. My favorite creating an instant WiFi hotspot.

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Android 2.2 has some killer applications. My favorite creating an instant WiFi hotspot.

Android 2.3 has some awesome new features too. Waiting for the source code to be released to flash a ROM on my phone.

Android is number one in the market right now. Blew past both Apple and RIM. Windows was always pretty low. Android is expected to far surpass most other mobile OS in the next few years (for good reason).

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 09:08 PM
Android is number one in the market right now. Android is expected to far surpass most other mobile OS in the next few years (for good reason).
wat

Also, I believe Symbian is number one right now if I recall correctly, but we all know that's dying.

sn0m
December 15th, 2010, 09:10 PM
Well the way that google violates your private stuff to sell it to advertisers, I wouldn't buy one even if it is given to me for free.
We are sleep walking into google-knows everything about you state, this is without your consent.
I've already changed my email from gmail to my isp mail service and I will stick with nokia for the time being.

forrestcupp
December 15th, 2010, 09:13 PM
Is it really surprising that a solid, well known, well tested phone system that already has a large base and is already at the top in sales is beating out something that just came out on the market and nobody really knows much about yet?

Of all people, the people here should know that bigger market share doesn't necessarily mean better quality.

tweakedenigma
December 15th, 2010, 09:13 PM
wat

Also, I believe Symbian is number one right now if I recall correctly, but we all know that's dying.

It depends on what you consider a Smart phone and if you are talking current Sales or Install base.

If you Count Symbian as a Smart phone OS then it does have the largest install base. However it doesn't seem to be Sales wise it looks like Symbian and Android are neck and neck.

Frak
December 15th, 2010, 09:15 PM
I don't think anyone was expecting it to do all that well.


Plus, I haven't heard anything good about it.
I was actually able to install my ZuneHD games on my Win7 phone, so I like that.

Right now, that's Project Gotham Racing (fun) and Audiosurf (fun).

AllRadioisDead
December 15th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Well the way that google violates your private stuff to sell it to advertisers, I wouldn't buy one even if it is given to me for free.
We are sleep walking into google-knows everything about you state, this is without your consent.
I've already changed my email from gmail to my isp mail service and I will stick with nokia for the time being.

Without your consent? You agree to Google's TOS before ever using any of their services.

Do you honestly think your ISP gives you any more privacy in your email than Google does? Keep dreaming.

Google has better things to do than look through your files and giggle at your porn collection. Google takes a multitude of steps to ensure that user data is protected and kept private. I don't mind if they collect information about my browsing habits, they're an advertising company after all. They offer most of their products for free to end users, and if they want to collect information about my browsing habits to improve their products, that's fine. Sensitive information belongs on your hard drive.

tweakedenigma
December 15th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Well the way that google violates your private stuff to sell it to advertisers, I wouldn't buy one even if it is given to me for free.
We are sleep walking into google-knows everything about you state, this is without your consent.
I've already changed my email from gmail to my isp mail service and I will stick with nokia for the time being.

Your ISP knows far more about you then Google does. Not to mention most ISPs use Microsoft, Yahoo! or Google to provided their emails (not sure if you should trust these folks any more then you trust Google).

Not saying your Argument is incorrect, however if you are concerned about Google you should also be concerned about your ISP (Not to mention FaceBook, etc)

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 09:36 PM
wat

Also, I believe Symbian is number one right now if I recall correctly, but we all know that's dying.

Yes someone was already saying it, but in terms of actual sales (not the amount of people who have one). So as of Q3 of 2010, Android has the largest amount of newly activated phones. Overall, I believe it still sits in 3rd place. First being Symbian, second being RIM. Though it's expected to go right to first.

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 09:50 PM
Well the way that google violates your private stuff to sell it to advertisers, I wouldn't buy one even if it is given to me for free.
We are sleep walking into google-knows everything about you state, this is without your consent.
I've already changed my email from gmail to my isp mail service and I will stick with nokia for the time being.

I don't know why so many people are so sensitive about that. Honestly, it's not like they know YOU exactly went to these pages and did this.. or whatever. The information they take is anonymous and there is no way they know who exactly did what, it's just statistics. It's not like someone is going to knock on your door and say "hey, you were on the ubuntu forums yesterday! I have all your information". Nobody knows. I'm big on privacy, don't get me wrong, but something like that isn't considered invasion of privacy to me. I only consider anything invasion of privacy if you can identify me exactly to something.

Matter of fact, I think Google is one of the greatest companies because of that. Instead of charging you for all their services and platforms, they give it to consumers for free and they make their money of selling services/platforms to commercial companies and through advertisement. That's definitely better than spending more money to me. Not to mention how they released Android for free and as open source so that they can push research and development over just making money, 'so that no industry can restrict the innovations of others'. Now all mobile companies can put their own input and ideas into it too, which is great.

Personally, I think that is one company worth supporting. But maybe that's just me.

Colonel Kilkenny
December 15th, 2010, 09:54 PM
Yes someone was already saying it, but in terms of actual sales (not the amount of people who have one). So as of Q3 of 2010, Android has the largest amount of newly activated phones. Overall, I believe it still sits in 3rd place. First being Symbian, second being RIM. Though it's expected to go right to first.

1) Those latest 300000 activations per day numbers for Android included all updates as well (2.2 -> 2.3, 2.1 -> 2.2, etc.)
2) "activated", Symbian phones don't even need an "activation". Symbian numbers are always sold phones.
3) Symbian is still the most sold smartphone OS
4) Symbian is very much smartphone OS and everyone who disagrees with that is ugly and stupid

And for the last time, repeat after me: Symbian is not dying. Nokia is not ditching Symbian and therefore it will be big in future as well. It may have even bigger share of the market because Nokia continues to push it to mid-end devices.

edit. And who gives a *triit* about OS market shares. Just use what you like.

zekopeko
December 15th, 2010, 10:02 PM
I don't know why so many people are so sensitive about that. Honestly, it's not like they know YOU exactly went to these pages and did this.. or whatever. The information they take is anonymous and there is no way they know who exactly did what, it's just statistics. It's not like someone is going to knock on your door and say "hey, you were on the ubuntu forums yesterday! I have all your information". Nobody knows. I'm big on privacy, don't get me wrong, but something like that isn't considered invasion of privacy to me. I only consider anything invasion of privacy if you can identify me exactly to something.

Matter of fact, I think Google is one of the greatest companies because of that. Instead of charging you for all their services and platforms, they give it to consumers for free and they make their money of selling services/platforms to commercial companies and through advertisement. That's definitely better than spending more money to me. Not to mention how they released Android for free and as open source so that they can push research and development over just making money, 'so that no industry can restrict the innovations of others'. Now all mobile companies can put their own input and ideas into it too, which is great.

Personally, I think that is one company worth supporting. But maybe that's just me.


Food for thought (if you have a gmail/google account): https://www.google.com/history/

zekopeko
December 15th, 2010, 10:04 PM
android is already outselling iphone.

estimated 300,000+ daily activations vs 230,000

I love how people like to repeat this while ignoring one thing: Apple sells only one phone in 4 different versions (black/white 16/32GiB). How many Android phones are out there?

forrestcupp
December 15th, 2010, 10:05 PM
4) Symbian is very much smartphone OS and everyone who disagrees with that is ugly and stupid

Even ugly, stupid people are right once in a while. :)

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 10:05 PM
1) Those latest 300000 activations per day numbers for Android included all updates as well (2.2 -> 2.3, 2.1 -> 2.2, etc.)
2) "activated", Symbian phones don't even need an "activation". Symbian numbers are always sold phones.
3) Symbian is still the most sold smartphone OS
4) Symbian is very much smartphone OS and everyone who disagrees with that is ugly and stupid

And for the last time, repeat after me: Symbian is not dying. Nokia is not ditching Symbian and therefore it will be big in future as well. It may have even bigger share of the market because Nokia continues to push it to mid-end devices.

edit. And who gives a *triit* about OS market shares. Just use what you like.

I agree with the use what you like. But, if I'm not mistaken. Although whether its most sold or most owned, Symbian is the largest world-wide, but it's actually not that big in North America according to a large number of market research. Nokia is a great company, but I almost never see them anymore, and I have never known anyone or seen anyone ever who owned a Symbian phone personally. I mean I'm just in once city in one area so it hardly counts as anything, but on a biased look, I can see how that research can be valid.

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 10:06 PM
I love how people like to repeat this while ignoring one thing: Apple sells only one phone in 4 different versions (black/white 16/32GiB). How many Android phones are out there?

What's your point? Who's fault is that? That doesn't change anything.

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 10:09 PM
Food for thought (if you have a gmail/google account): https://www.google.com/history/

Yeah, again your just a number and nobody reads it or has access to it, its a computer algorithm. Besides you can disable that. I have it disabled, because I don't like keeping history, I have my browser/google account set to never keep history.

zekopeko
December 15th, 2010, 10:13 PM
What's your point? Who's fault is that? That doesn't change anything.

It's impressive. That's my point. They have one product on one network and it's selling like crazy. Android phones are manufactured by at least half a dozen big companies and are available on more networks.

Spr0k3t
December 15th, 2010, 10:31 PM
If the sales are only 3% of the marketshare, I wonder what the return rates are.

akand074
December 15th, 2010, 10:55 PM
It's impressive. That's my point. They have one product on one network and it's selling like crazy. Android phones are manufactured by at least half a dozen big companies and are available on more networks.

Well yes, but the iPhone has been around for a while longer. It wasn't even until Android 2.1 that it could even be considered a decent rival. It went from 7% to over 25% in under a year and still growing strong so it does seem like it would even out as time progresses to deal with that ratio. Gartner market research predicts it will surpass even Symbian in the next few years. Apple's Co-Founder Steve Wozniak said that while he thinks the Apple iPhone is better than the Android OS, in the long-term he thinks Android will become the dominant smartphone operating system. I mean, it's still no doubt that Apple's market share is impressive, but I think it's mostly on the fact that they were very well known for their dominance with the iPod, then when people got sick of Windows Vista, and because of they knew Apple from iPods a huge amount of "Mac Fanatics" broke out. Now I here so many people like "I'll buy anything as long as it's shiny and made by Apple" (rhetorical, I've never actually heard someone say that). Which I believe is a contributing factor to Apple's big rise in the market. But as a matter of technological quality of the operating systems, I personally think Android is already starting to take over. Especially people who are getting sick of Apple restrictions.