Most annoying thing abt Ubuntu! REALLY ANNOYING!

[elijahclarity]

I really like Ubuntu...like almost everything abt it....want to use it...BUT!

And its a big BUT!

The MOST ANNOYING thing abt it is: WHY ON EARTH CAN'T THEY PROVIDE EXTRA CDS FOR DOWNLOAD WITH DIFFERENT THEMES like programming stuff, games stuff etc.????? MARK & UBUNTU THEY REALLY ONLY CARE FOR US & CANADA PPL and ppl wh have access to broadband....BUT NOT AT ALL TO THOSE WHO HAVE SLOW OR NO INTERNET AT ALL....

I went to the launchpad site and saw that this was among their LOW PRIORITY things!

Thats why I'm sticking to Debian Sarge right now (yuk I dont like it coz its so outdated but I've no choice! I dont want rpm distros as many packages that I want they dont have!)

Atleast they should include Wine by default...so Windows users can run a few programs with it...

Atleast in this case, Fedora & Suse & Debian do better job....so hats off to them....they have extra cds..Suse even has an add-on CD containing non-oss stuff for free download....

I know broadband users will shoo shoo at me coz they have the luxury of a fast internet access...but for one moment think that u have an ultra-slow limited connection with which u can only downlaod a few programs...and then think abt me...

Can someone plz give me Mark's email id so I can inform him abt this & beg him for extra cds!!!!!!!!!!!! Atleast include Wine plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

[bscbrit]

Wow - that is a LOT of shouting. I sympathise with your problems with lack of broadband but it isn't just the US and Canada that have it. It is fairly common nowadays around the world and, depending on where you live, it is often similarly priced to dial-up of a few years ago. Not here in Gibraltar however - where I pay £50 per month for the privilege - Oh how I would welcome some local competition. But if you are stuck with dial-up then there is not much that you can do. Could you imagine installing any software, (Windows, Linux, BSD or whatever) from the internet using only dial-up? But some people have so hats off to them. And if you haven't got internet at all, then don't even look at Ubuntu but perhaps consider Windows. Without the internet, even Windows could probably stay safe from viruses and spyware for a full 24hours!

Secondly, as you have probably realised, most .deb packages work on Ubuntu. And you can easily buy .debs on CD from other distros. You probably have quite a few available under Sarge!

And if Ubuntu doesn't meet your needs there are loads of other distros available. Keep looking until you find the one that you are most comfortable with.

I don't agree that Wine should be top of anyone's list, but if you want it then fine. I am entirely happy not running any Windows software on my 6 networked computers. I've not found anything that I cannot do - I don't play games but perhaps that is one area where Linux in general is weak. If I wanted games, I would probably buy a dedicated games console. But that suggests that money wouldn't be an problem - it is, and therefore I haven't thought it worthwhile.

I also think that Mark Shuttleworth's idea of a distro on 1 disk is partly why Ubuntu is so popular.

[prizrak]

Well I would say it's because of two things.
1) Ubuntu is very functional straight out of the box.
2) There is a MAJOR release work going on to get Dapper out.
So for now they are concentrating on making Dapper the best thing since sliced bread, after that is done they can get to work on an add-on CD.

[halfvolle melk]

The biggest problem is that whenever I need to work on some other OS that doesn't have tabbed browsing, ugly font rendering and so forth, I'm instantly annoyed.

[Sheinar]

I doubt any serious distro would include Wine in the default setup.

[bonzodog]

You forget that there is also an Ubuntu DVD, that contains a lot more stuff. This is more suitable for slow dialup users, as it contains all of Main, and bits of Universe.

[fuscia]

post cancelled (too flippant).

[ComplexNumber]

I doubt any serious distro would include Wine in the default setup. suse does. mandriva does.

[Kvark]

Yeah, the whole repos (main+universe+multiverse) should be available as CD and DVD images. Perferably split up just as you said, in a way that tells you which CD's contain the kind of programs you want. I wouldn't use Ubuntu with only the one DVD if I didn't have a fast connection. And I would never reccomend it to anyone who is on dail up as long as I can't burn and give them CDs with all programs they might be interested in.

Edit:
BTW elijahclarity, I almost forgot, you know what else is really annoying?

...The way you type, please don't use intentional spelling errors, the caps lock key and a dozen "!" in a row.

[BoyOfDestiny]

post cancelled (too flippant).

Let me try my hand at it. =). Wine by default? Not everyone using Linux needs it, it would be bloat on the default disc.

Am I the only one that has used 300baud? Let it download for a few nights. let's say you want 300 megabytes of updates, and for the sake of argument let's say you get around 4 kB (kilobytes, not kilobits), a megabyte is 1024kB, so that would be 307,200kB. ~21 hours.

Is that such a big deal? Between the iso's people offer, ubuntu mirrors, things like wget for scheduled downloads, use of bittorrent or pars to repair files...

Yes I do have broadband, yes it makes it easier to run things like Dapper. I can cope with slow dialup, that is what I started with. :P

Here are the dvd releases (no wine there though)

http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/breezy/release/

In accord with what you said, if you have no internet connection, you are bound to have trouble downloading anything. Time to make friends with someone with a connection and cd burner.

[Sheinar]

suse does. mandriva does.
Really? I never knew that. Still, including Wine would definitely not be a good move. You'd get more complaints about Windows programs not working on the forum than actual Ubuntu problems.

[bjweeks]

suse does. mandriva does.

Link?

[John.Michael.Kane]

@bjweeks here you go wine is listed at the bottom
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/index_all.html

Wine is listed here on the mandriva powerpack disk
http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack/packages32?p=index-name.html


Hope this helps.

[futz]

Am I the only one that has used 300baud?
Hehehe!!! No you are not. I started out with my TRS-80 color computer and a 300 baud acoustic coupled modem with rotary dial phone. Every download was an adventure back then.

[unbuntu]

Well...I never thought about that. Now that you've brought it up, it _is_ kind of annoying when you are using a dial-up. Maybe it would be helpful to put up a sign "works best with broadband internet connection" :)

Anyways, compiling a package CD wouldn't be that difficult or time consuming. But the problem is they are going to be out-dated pretty quick. So it's lucky to have a broadband :D

[white_tiger_daniel]

If you want packages, use synaptic. I can't complain because it must be really hard making and maintaining an open source operating system.

[bjweeks]

@bjweeks here you go wine is listed at the bottom
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/index_all.html

Wine is listed here on the mandriva powerpack disk
http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack/packages32?p=index-name.html


Hope this helps.

I should go back and try useing suse again...

[briancurtin]

what the **** is "abt"?

[unbuntu]

what the **** is "abt"?
about?

[geo15]

I wouldn't have keep playing with Ubuntu on a dialup connection. The updates and driver downloads is just to big and I were not able to get any Winmodems to work yet anyway.

[bscbrit]

I wouldn't have keep playing with Ubuntu on a dialup connection. The updates and driver downloads is just to big and I were not able to get any Winmodems to work yet anyway.


Is this any different to any other distro? I don't think that Ubuntu has any particular problems in this regard. Yes, I agree, that dial-up is frustrating which is why the world is slowly changing to broadband. But I remember having to use a 300 baud modem to a cassette tape recorder - my first computer was a NASCOM-1 4KB hooked to a TV display (try looking that one up) which I had to build myself - but things are gradually improving. Even dial-up is many times faster.

The cause of your problem is that people expect so much from their software it has to be a sizeable chunk of code to do what you want. If you do not want big downloads just work with a minimum installation and stick with the commandline. Many of the people today on this forum did just that.....

[aysiu]

Is this any different to any other distro? I don't think that Ubuntu has any particular problems in this regard. It is different, actually, because Canonical does not put out any additional CDs.

Other distros (like Mandriva or Debian) have extra CDs you can either download and burn on someone else's computer (someone who does have broadband) or order (i.e., pay for) and have mailed to you.

[bscbrit]

It is different, actually, because Canonical does not put out any additional CDs.

Other distros (like Mandriva or Debian) have extra CDs you can either download and burn on someone else's computer (someone who does have broadband) or order (i.e., pay for) and have mailed to you.

But if you have a friend with broadband, couldn't you just ask him to download the DVD version of Ubuntu which does have lots of extras?

The post I was responding to was complaining about the size of updates and drivers - which is an entirely valid complaint - but I don't think that Ubuntu updates and drivers are significantly different from any other distros. The problem is that all the distros tend to expect you to have access to broadband. But at least Ubuntu, along with a few others, provides you with a working system from 1 CD. The others expect you to download several CDs to even begin the install, and they all need a good flow of data to keep up with updates.

Perhaps one of the ways in which we can help is by realising that, other than perhaps security updates, there is often no good reason for upgrading to the latest and greatest version of everything. How many people simply press the 'update' button (in whatever form it exists in your preferred method of updating) and download everything that is available? I admit that do. I update weekly, and I am guilty of updating programs that I never ever use! However, if your system is working to your satisfaction then there is no real need to update it.

I think that we all agree that, if you have to rely on dial-up for whatever reason, then you do miss out of some of the enjoyment of the internet experience. Perhaps one day a broadband connection in every home will be a reality [/dream] :-D

[Linuturk]

I find the most annoying thing about Ubuntu is ndiswrapper-utils isn't on the install cd. I have setup Ubuntu on about 3 laptops, all needing ndiswrapper. Since I only have access to a municipal wireless network at home, I can't even try the wireless w/o taking the laptop to an ethernet jack at work, or out of town.

[bscbrit]

I find the most annoying thing about Ubuntu is ndiswrapper-utils isn't on the install cd. I have setup Ubuntu on about 3 laptops, all needing ndiswrapper. Since I only have access to a municipal wireless network at home, I can't even try the wireless w/o taking the laptop to an ethernet jack at work, or out of town.

Yes - I've been caught out by this one myself.](*,)

[prizrak]

bsbrit,
Well Ubuntu team only provides security updates not software updates. The only time you are getting newer stuff that doesn't have to do with security is having backports enabled. Disable those and all you get is security :)

[bscbrit]

bsbrit,
Well Ubuntu team only provides security updates not software updates. The only time you are getting newer stuff that doesn't have to do with security is having backports enabled. Disable those and all you get is security :)
I'm not sure that you are right in this - the repos that are named Ubuntu 5.10 Security Updates might be as you say, but those marked Ubuntu 5.10 Updates or Breezy Badger Updates do not seem limited to security. I haven't checked each line of code, of course, but some of the changes a clearly visible in the GUI or functionality. I am not sure how they relate to security.