You now can officially run Windows (and Ubuntu) on Mac

[mstlyevil]

Apple has released new software that allows you to run Windows on a Intel Mac. I wonder if this software will also support Linux?

Apple: Windows on a Mac is here (http://news.com.com/Apple+Windows+on+a+Mac+is+here/2100-1012_3-6057856.html?tag=nefd.lede)

[engla]

And finally apple provides a program for resizing partitions:

The software also helps you set aside hard drive space for the Windows installation, without moving any of your Mac files around. Just drag the intuitive slider to choose the size that’s right for you. Boot Camp also helps you remove the Windows partition, should you so desire.

[stuporglue]

And finally apple provides a program for resizing partitions:

I think this is the really great part. Once a partition is resized safely from within OSX, you can use that for Ubuntu. Woot!

[pillypoon]

When do you think it will be possible or is it possible to triple boot?

[ubuntu-geek]

A very interesting move by apple.. I like it..

[Blarion]

I hope you can boot ubuntu off of it, that'd be pretty awesome. Probably be a bit of a problem making drivers and such though

[prizrak]

This is just funny
Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apple's superior hardware, now that we use Intel processors,"
How is Apple's hardware superior now that they are EXACTLY like any other x86 PC, aside from not using a BIOS?

[mstlyevil]

This is just funny

How is Apple's hardware superior now that they are EXACTLY like any other x86 PC, aside from not using a BIOS?

It's not. Apple buys their parts from the very same vendors that companies like Dell and HP buys theirs off of. Since Apple controls both the operating system and the parts, it could lead one to believe their parts are supperior because they perform almost flawlessly together. Apple has used that tight control of both the hardware and software to perpetuate the myth that they have superior hardware compared to PC's. It is actually a very ingenious marketing ploy that convices many people to pay more for the same hardware.

[stuporglue]

It's not. Apple buys their parts from the very same vendors that companies like Dell and HP buys theirs off of. Since Apple controls both the operating system and the parts, it could lead one to believe their parts are supperior because they perform almost flawlessly together. Apple has used that tight control of both the hardware and software to perpetuate the myth that they have superior hardware compared to PC's. It is actually a very ingenious marketing ploy that convices many people to pay more for the same hardware.

Most true. However, the quality of the hardware in a low end Mac is probably higher than that in a low end Dell (or whatever). Just as an example, Macs have had auto-switching network ports for as long as I can remember. I didn't even realize that PC users needed crossover cables till I showed up at college (~5 years ago).

It's not that you can't get auto-switching ports for PCs, but it's that sort of design decision that makes it easier to work with a Mac.

The other difference in my opinion, is that people compare Macs with Dells or Vaios when the quality of the construction is more in line with that of a Thinkpad. I've never seen a Mac or Thinkpad with a craked case, but I've seen lots of Dells and Vaios with cracks in their cases.

Kind of a you-get-what-you-pay-for issue I guess.

Note: After growing up on Macs, I sold mine last fall to buy a PC which would support Linux better. Not a Mac fan-boi, but I appreciate a good machine. I'd get a Thinkpad instead of a Mac if I were in the laptop market right now.

[poofyhairguy]

This is very exciting!

UBUNTU WORKS!

My attachment is a picture of my friend's Mac mini running the Ubuntu Live CD because of this new firmware!

If the soon to be released iBooks (or Macbooks or whatever) have Intel Graphics (which have decent Linux drivers) in them, it will be VERY hard for me to resist buying one!


DIGG IT (http://digg.com/apple/Ubuntu_Live_on_Mac_Mini_with_Ease_)

[TheDude]

This is very exciting!

UBUNTU WORKS!

My attachment is a picture of my friend's Mac mini running the Ubuntu Live CD because of this new firmware!

If the soon to be released iBooks (or Macbooks or whatever) have Intel Graphics (which have decent Linux drivers) in them, it will be VERY hard for me to resist buying one!
Hey, PHG, that's my mini!

[poofyhairguy]

Hey, PHG, that's my mini!

Heck yeah it is!

Long live dual booting!

[Kernel Sanders]

I'll be happier when you can run Mac OSX on a Windows PC (Legally) [-o<

[BWF89]

I predict that Apple will experience skyrocketing hardware sells once they get all the bugs worked out.

[TheDude]

I'll be happier when you can run Mac OSX on a Windows PC (Legally) [-o<

I wouldn't hold my breath...at least not while Jobs is still in charge

[mstlyevil]

This is very exciting!

UBUNTU WORKS!

My attachment is a picture of my friend's Mac mini running the Ubuntu Live CD because of this new firmware!

If the soon to be released iBooks (or Macbooks or whatever) have Intel Graphics (which have decent Linux drivers) in them, it will be VERY hard for me to resist buying one!


DIGG IT (http://digg.com/apple/Ubuntu_Live_on_Mac_Mini_with_Ease_)

I dugg it. :mrgreen:

[engla]

I digg this and that apple made a general bios emulator.

[I don't digg digg though, so I stay here with my praise]

[rfruth]

If Apple had done this 20 years ago things would be alot different today - but hey better late than never, good move Apple ! :rolleyes:

[MetalMusicAddict]

Apple BSOD :) Though it is still early. Kinda funny.

http://images.dealcatcher.com/products/1stbluescreen.jpg

LINK (http://www.tuaw.com/2006/04/05/blue-screen-of-death-on-an-imac/) to article.

[Bandit]

Apple BSOD :) Though it is still early. Kinda funny.

http://images.dealcatcher.com/products/1stbluescreen.jpg

LINK (http://www.tuaw.com/2006/04/05/blue-screen-of-death-on-an-imac/) to article.
LOL, THATS JUST TO GOOD!!!! :D

[LinuxKid]

I digg this and that apple made a general bios emulator.

yes, anything that runs using bios can now boot, I should've posted earlier about this, but I think I got beat :(

it's kind of amazing isn't it

now onto the switching of operating systems without rebooting and that run natively..............we could be here for a long time

[mjg59]

Unfortunately, it's still not possible to install a bootable Ubuntu directly from the CD. We're working on it.

[TTT_travis]

I was gonna do post this yesterday too, I had just installed the firmware update so I thought I would try the ubuntu cd and much to my suprise it worked, although X wouldn't start so yeah, with a few commands I probably could have made it. Although OS X is still far better then everything else I like having the ability to install ubuntu on my mac to test software and play with ubuntu on a computer other then my server box.

[Sirin]

You wanna know what I think? ;)

[CLICKY] (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8241/bluescreenofdeathinmac6ka.jpg)

[ivanjs]

It's not. Apple buys their parts from the very same vendors that companies like Dell and HP buys theirs off of. Since Apple controls both the operating system and the parts, it could lead one to believe their parts are supperior because they perform almost flawlessly together. Apple has used that tight control of both the hardware and software to perpetuate the myth that they have superior hardware compared to PC's. It is actually a very ingenious marketing ploy that convices many people to pay more for the same hardware.

And yet, there's this article about Apple's hardware running XP is faster than any other PC laptop running xp. ????
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/mac_fastest_core_duo_laptop/

[mstlyevil]

And yet, there's this article about Apple's hardware running XP is faster than any other PC laptop running xp. ????
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/mac_fastest_core_duo_laptop/

You have to take into consideration the extra software bundled with Win XP native laptops. Of course they are going to run slower when there is more going on in the background. Install a fresh copy of Win XP without the extra crapware that comes from these companies and these PC's will perform just as well.

[GarethMB]

You wanna know what I think? ;)

[CLICKY] (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8241/bluescreenofdeathinmac6ka.jpg)
love it.

And to the guy who said that jobs wouldnt let gates run OSX on a PC. How exactly can he stop him? How hipocritical would that be?

[poofyhairguy]

love it.

And to the guy who said that jobs wouldnt let gates run OSX on a PC. How exactly can he stop him?

DRM. In the United States (where Gates lives) its illegal to break DRM because of the DMCA. Since x86 OSX uses the "trusted computing" (I think) platform to lock OSX to Apple machines, anyone that gets around this is breaking the law in the U.S.

I'm sure Gates no longer wants to see the inside of court houses.


How hipocritical would that be?

Not that much really. Windows XP is an OS that is meant to be run on every x86 machine that will let it. OSX is meant to be run on Apple machines. All Apple recently did was allow their x86 machines to act like the other 99% do.

Any nerd that is waiting for Apple to release OSX into the wild needs to find something else to look forward to. Apple (the company) is doing very good with its current business plan and its computer platform hasn't been this relevent since the early 90s. Jobs is a control freak if one has ever existed- he won't let his baby (OSX which came from his NEXT) run around town with all the boys like Windows does. Apple's machines have hardware margins that Mr. Dell would sacrifice a first born to have- why would they give that up just to make some nerds happy?

[TheDude]

Any nerd that is waiting for Apple to release OSX into the wild needs to find something else to look forward to. Apple (the company) is doing very good with its current business plan and its computer platform hasn't been this relevent since the early 90s. Jobs is a control freak if one has ever existed- he won't let his baby (OSX which came from his NEXT) run around town with all the boys like Windows does.
qft

[3rdalbum]

Actually, Apple's hardware *is* superior. Rather than get a box and stuff it with components, Apple get the components and design a case for them. The advantage is that Macs either run cooler, or run at the same temperature but minus the fan.

You'll probably find that Macs come with higher quality sound equipment than most PCs, and that Apple is the only PC manufacturer that uses dual-core processors in the majority of its computers.

And, unlike the homemade PCs sold by many local shops, Apple have never "accidentally" put the wrong CPU into a computer.

[pillypoon]

When do you think it will be possible or is it possible to triple boot?


i found this link to answer my own question. would anybody like to donate a Macbook to me? :-k

http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp

cheers

[raul_]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/technology/05cnd-apple.html?ex=1301889600&en=80facc113fd32072&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

So what do u think about this? I remember reading a lot in this forum about people buying Apple Pc's because OS X is better. Do u think that Apple wants to enlarge their market with users that buy Mac's just because they look good, and still use windows? Or will that affect Apple's reputation? Of course this has to do with Apple switching to Intel processors.

Nevertheless, this is a BIG turn

Please stay on topic, and let's not start another "which one is better"/"windows is more ready for the desktop than OS X"(whatever that means)

[IYY]

This is a very old discussion, but the basic answer is that Apple is a hardware company, so it doesn't really care about the OS on the machines. Another, perhaps more accurate answer is that people can now dual boot between Windows and OS X, using OS X for most purposes but running some Windows-only programs in Windows. It's exactly the same as Ubuntu and Windows, really.

[Frak]

Even though Apple is a hardware company, and doesn't care about the OS they run, they did an awsome job with the OS they came out with!

[aysiu]

Frankly, I'm surprised you're linking to this article now. The article is dated April 2006. Boot Camp has been around for a while now.

As IYY points out, the "rivalry" between Windows and Mac is an indirect one. Microsoft is primarily a software company (Windows, MS Office, etc.), and Apple is primarily a hardware company (Macbook, Mac Mini, iPod, etc.). Yes, sometimes Microsoft dabbles in hardware (Zune, XBox), and Apple needs to provide software for its hardware (Mac OS X, iWork, iLife), but Dell is more of a direct competitor of Apple's than Microsoft is.

Would Apple prefer you run OS X on your Mac? Sure. Would they rather have you buy an Apple computer to run Windows on than a Dell computer to run Windows on? Of course. Likewise, I'm sure Microsoft would prefer Mac users use MS Office on Windows, but as long as they're going to be Mac users, might as well milk them for what they're worth and have them use MS Office for Mac.

Business, rivalry, competition--these are complex. It's not all about a childish refusal to work with competing forces. If, for example, Apple hadn't offered iTunes for Windows, you probably wouldn't have seen iPods as popular as they are today.

For Apple, software is a tool to help with hardware sales. Boot Camp doesn't allow people the excuse, "Oh, I'd love to own a Mac, but there's this Windows-only program I've got..." They also have this thing called Parallels (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/parallelsdesktopformac.html), too, that allows you to run Windows inside Mac (like VMWare).

By the way, Boot Camp is also what allows Ubuntu users do dual-boot Ubuntu and Mac OS X on the new Intel Macs.

... and I've moved your thread to a more appropriate forum and merged it with a thread that was started in April on the same topic.

[RAV TUX]

aysiu (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=21941) thank you for moving this here. I am going to take it a little step further and put in the MAC OS X forum within this forum.;)

[raul_]

I'll have to disagree in some points. Actually Microsoft invests big in hardware to. I read on a magazine (i can't quote or link it, it's in paper), that every second there's someone in the world buying Microsoft made hardware. Microsoft's hardware department is 25 years old and for example, the first bluetooth mouse was created by Microsoft, as well as the first ergonomic keyboard.

Anyway, i also read that Apple's iTunes was a strategy to draw people to Mac OS with iPod, but that failed, and it was holding back the sales, so they released a Windows version. If Apple was in hardware for real, maybe they wouldn't sign a deal with Intel (or maybe they would, i don't know, i'm not a big CEO). I think that Apple has changed their way of making business, mainly because of the success of the iPod line, and they're focusing more on that, because that's what's making money for them, as Microsoft focuses on Windows, because that's what makes money for them, and in the two cases, competition is way behind (in market share)

I brought this up, not to discuss the software itself, but Apple's philosophy change, and because the new Mac Pro powered by intel is now in the hands of more people and maybe they could give a "hands on" opinion.

Nevertheless, maybe i misexplained my point.

[aysiu]

I don't think you mis-explained your point at all. I think your point is well made, and it doesn't appear to conflict in any major way with what I said earlier.

Microsoft does invest big in hardware (maybe dabble wasn't the most precise word for me to use in my last post), but it is still, as I said, primarily a software company.

I think you're getting to the meat of it, though--it's all about the money. If Microsoft starts selling XBoxes and Zunes like hotcakes and Linux starts replacing Windows (I know it sounds impossible, but it could happen), who's to say Microsoft won't become a hardware company?

And, likewise, Apple would probably prefer not to have a Windows port of iTunes, but since that's what sells iPods (which are hardware, by the way) and brings in the big bucks, that's what they've done.

Money. Corporations answer to shareholders. That's how it works.

[Donnut]

Do you think someone could actually post anothere thread about triple-booting a macbook? The only ones that I have found say you'll use LILO instead of grub or rEFIT. There is probably little or no demand out there for this, but I would really appreciate another post or simply an answer to this one.