Final Rant on Lucid - and Ubuntu, too - My last Alpha/Beta.

[emarkay]

I have decided to avoid any further upgrades to Ubuntu - too many "windows-like" features that present security and stability risks...

It's been fun, since Dapper... All those days watching the OS mature to the point of being able to close Bug Number One. Now, it's a moving target on a rotating turret. The inmates have overrun the asylum; the users cry for "dogs and ponies with frilly panties" and thus, the developers have found there's more glory in "Gee Whiz" then in "Good Job".

Sometimes you have to make a stand; my car is RWD, my phone has no camera, I don't Facebook or Twitter, and FWIW, I remember referring to Windows 3.1 as "pond scum on the surface of the program..." Well maybe the GUI was a good thing, but all this extra non-essential default-install crapola for the ADHD enabled and the bored & easily amused noobs has taken it's toll.

Yes, a few have told me about other options, Fedora for one, but I'll focus on Lucid for now, for the next few years.

Thanks for the good times, Peace, and, excuse me now, I must get back to productivity.

[Asraniel]

hm? i heard people saying ubuntu was a mac osx ripoff, but a windows one? anyway. don't feed the troll.

[Longinus00]

"windows-like" features, that's a new one. If you want things to work smoothly then maybe beta testing isn't for you.

[brucewagner]

Not sure I see the point of this thread. If you don't like the program, change the channel or turn off the TV. Especially if you have nothing to contribute to its improvement.

[praveenthivari]

Not sure I see the point of this thread. If you don't like the program, change the channel or turn off the TV. Especially if you have nothing to contribute to its improvement.

Absolutely right.

To OP: U urself identified as far from the 'SOCIAL' space lover. And I do get the impression tht u dont believe in sharing things out. So, Y did create this post afterall??? I dont get the intension behind this!!!!:P:P
:popcorn:

[23meg]

Moved to Ubuntu Testimonials & Experiences. Thanks for your contribution so far.

[julianb]

If Ubuntu has too many gee-whiz features for you, try tiny core linux.

Guaranteed not to include eye candy and whiz bang features unless you consider a gui to be whiz-bang eye candy (user beware, it does have a desktop background image!)

Also recommended: Slitaz-base, AND micro core linux.

I actually found tiny core linux to be pretty usable, but slitaz didn't have adequate support for the eeePC hardware I tested.

[myromance123]

I don't Twitter or FaceBook, doesn't mean I can't keep on Ubuntu-ing.
Windows-like features? Where ? OSX? where? Besides the left-sided ness of things now, where's all that other "rip-offs"?

:D Ubuntu is Ubuntu. THAT is why it's better than OSX and Windows ;D

[ancleessen4]

@emarkay
I think you have a good point!
My personal machine runs Arch Linux-follow the install procedure and you are on a rolling release-no need for this mega download alpha/beta/ceta blah blah upgrade crap!
Unfortunately, my wife has been converted to Linux...Ubuntu.
Everything is cosy for her in Ubu land...but after this upgrade I will have to get her on Arch.
The other problem is that Gnome is moving to Gnome 3.0 and she does not like that interface-nor do I!
Now-before I get flamed-I know that one can install a different DE but hey....what...God forbid I die and the wife is left with the default....
This upgrade path from Karmic to Lucid has been the worst.
That bxxxxy Plymouth has given me even more grey hairs!
Tons of downloads-thank you God I do not have a volume limit.
Upgrades in the past seemed to flow quite nicely.
I think there are too many Chefs in the kitchen in Ubu land ](*,)
Also......................Argh!! PURPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soon I will get the wife to Arch land and all will be cool!!:guitar:

P.S. my phone does not have a camera:lolflag:

[meho_r]

@emarkay
I think you have a good point!
My personal machine runs Arch Linux-follow the install procedure and you are on a rolling release-no need for this mega download alpha/beta/ceta blah blah upgrade crap!
Unfortunately, my wife has been converted to Linux...Ubuntu.
Everything is cosy for her in Ubu land...but after this upgrade I will have to get her on Arch.
The other problem is that Gnome is moving to Gnome 3.0 and she does not like that interface-nor do I!
Now-before I get flamed-I know that one can install a different DE but hey....what...god forbid I die and the wife is left with the default....
This upgrade path from Karmic to Lucid has been the worst.
That bxxxxy Plymouth has given me even more grey hairs!
Tons of downloads-thank you God I do not have a volume limit.
Upgrades in the past seemed to flow quite nicely.
I think there are too many Chefs in the kitchen in Ubu land ](*,)
Also......................Argh!! PURPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soon I will get the wife to Arch land and all will be cool!!:guitar:

P.S. my phone does not have a camera:lolflag:

And here he is. I knew an Archer will eventually show up :D

As for OP, many people share your views. Although Lucid is kinda MacOSX-like design-wise (and maybe even starting to behave like Windows stability-wise), I personally still like it. Hope devs won't screw something up badly in Lucid final. If they do, well, I'd consider going back to the roots, i.e. Debian.

[uRock]

So there is something wrong with people who like to stay in touch with others?

I have friends and family spread out over the states, Canada, the Middle East, and Germany. Online apps makes it much easier to share thoughts and images.

I am sure it would be easier to hack your email provider than it would be to crack security at Facebook.

To each his/her own. Thanks for helping thus far and I hope you will change your mind in the future.

Cheers,
Ronnie.

[ancleessen4]

Ubuntu is great in so many respects.
I am sure Ubuntu will remain on one of my machines in the future.
I have progressed from Windows as a result of Ubuntu.
Take just one step more (go on be brave and try Arch)
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide
and you will see enhanced possibilities...

Be brave:lolflag:

[WinterRain]

too many "windows-like" features that present security and stability risks...


Proof?

No need to rant, as there is something out there for everone. Ubuntu is what it is, and if you do not like it, feel free to move on. If ubuntu did not add new features with every release, then it would be like debian, which hasn't changed in years. So what would be the point in having ubuntu then?

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. Good luck to you.

[emarkay]

OK, yea, I do understand the need to be "social" and yes, thankfully, Facebook and Myspace aren't defaulted installs.

The point is that the premier Linux release, this one, the one to get people away from Windows, is becoming both Windows like in it's bloat (and thank you all for the reminder) Mac like in it's "do it our way or no way" attitude.

Yea, there are options; but y'all don't have to bloat it and dumb it down [by removing configuration and optional settings at the default level] by making it "pretty".

I gave up XP for it's malware and bloat. I'll just slim Lucid down to the essentials and keep a watch on what "upgrades" are really just "look at meeee" features.

End of line.

[3rdalbum]

This really sounds like trolling, but it can't be with the amount of time you've been registered to UF. What security and stability risks are there in Lucid? Does the Me Menu really hurt you so badly? What's "Windows-like" about Lucid?

[asddf]

Most people are on Facebook a lot, twitter has grown massively in popularity.

People on this forum are the minority, not majority of people, and Ubuntu needs to target the majority.

[3rdalbum]

What options have been removed? I'm really trying to think of some; all I can think of is the recent version of GDM that no longer has theming. This wasn't Ubuntu's decision anyway, it's upstream GDM who rewrote the program to allow some new security features (like proper PAM integration).

[VeeDubb]

What options have been removed? I'm really trying to think of some; all I can think of is the recent version of GDM that no longer has theming. This wasn't Ubuntu's decision anyway, it's upstream GDM who rewrote the program to allow some new security features (like proper PAM integration).

That and the deep entrenchment of plymouth are the only things I can think of.

To go back to one of th earlier comments about Windows 3.1 being scum on top of the program, or scum on the pond as I like to think of it, gnome is sort of the same way.

Not to say that gnome is scum, but that it's only floating on top of Linux (the pond). Every single configuration option that was always there, is still there. Removing some things from the pretty/friendly/graphical settings, keeps those without the skill to go diving, from drowning in the pond.

[praveenthivari]

And here he is. I knew an Archer will eventually show up :D

As for OP, many people share your views. Although Lucid is kinda MacOSX-like design-wise (and maybe even starting to behave like Windows stability-wise), I personally still like it. Hope devs won't screw something up badly in Lucid final. If they do, well, I'd consider going back to the roots, i.e. Debian.

I don't consider tht way. When Win7 presented taskbar, it was said/may be still said tht it was the copy of MacOS Dock. In vista their sidebar was a replacement for MacOS dock. Now in ubuntu, a bit of purple and buttons on left makes it a copy of Mac.

Suppose dev had decided to give a bit blue tinge to theme, and kept buttons to right then would it become win?

Even if we get a MacOS like design, we should be HAPPY tht atleast we are getting a feal of wat tht OS is like(Esp for people like me, who don't want to use bcoz of..... u know the reason)
I know many say tht Ubuntu is shedding it's unique identity and endorsing someone else. But hey, didn't we aurselves cry at the top of our voice wen with every release we would get tht Human colour.:P:P:P

[meho_r]

Well, I haven't cried, I liked orange and brown :P But, aubergine is much more pleasant on eyes, definitely. I even don't cry about moving buttons to the left, be it MacOSX "way/look/whatever" or not. These are esthetics, not so important (at least not to me). But when, e.g., GRUB2 goes rogue, then you have a problem. When your X crashes during browsing or writing, there's another problem too. When your sound suddenly decides to work only in some apps and ignore others... well... These are just a few of problems I'm hearing about these days and because of which people are leaving Ubuntu (and not only Ubuntu, but Linux in general). Sometimes I think Ubuntu devs go too fast in implementations of new features, some of them not being thoroughly tested. I remember when 9.10 was released, Ubuntu One didn't work (!) and you couldn't create a DSL connection with Network Manager (not to mention problem with ext4 and losing data, which although wasn't Ubuntu's fault, they still should had done something about it, like Mandriva had). I just hope Lucid and Lucid+ will sort these things out in time...

[perham]

And here he is. I knew an Archer will eventually show up :D

As for OP, many people share your views. Although Lucid is kinda MacOSX-like design-wise (and maybe even starting to behave like Windows stability-wise), I personally still like it. Hope devs won't screw something up badly in Lucid final. If they do, well, I'd consider going back to the roots, i.e. Debian.

I was considering debian too, not because lucid is bad, I haven't even tested it, and my karmic works like a charm. ubuntu has just lost the sense of adventurism it once had, and I hear that debian is solid as a rock. and, I hate redhat-based releases. apt has some supercow powers you know!

[meho_r]

I was considering debian too, not because lucid is bad, I haven't even tested it, and my karmic works like a charm. ubuntu has just lost the sense of adventurism it once had, and I hear that debian is solid as a rock. and, I hate redhat-based releases. apt has some supercow powers you know!

I'm not sure if there is any distro (or even an OS) out there that can compare with Debian in terms of stability and reliability (maybe Slackware, but I can't say for sure). Guys are freaks, really :) However, this applies to Debian stable (i.e. Lenny) which is a little bit "outdated" regarding apps' versions. But, for machines used for "critical mission" (or simply important jobs), Lenny is definitely the distro. Some people say squeeze is doing fine too, but I haven't test it.

As for Lucid, it looks veeeeeery good at the moment.

[WinterRain]

Yea, there are options; but y'all don't have to bloat it and dumb it down [by removing configuration and optional settings at the default level] by making it "pretty".


Ubuntu is just one of many distros out there. If ubuntu didn't "bloat" it, and dumb it down, it would be just another distro, and not be #1. Please realize that your opinion is not shared by most ubuntu users. Thank you for sharing, and I hope that you find that special distro you are looking for, but don't expect ubuntu to change any time soon. Choice is good, be happy we have so many choices. Ranting and sour grapes accomplishes nothing. Take care, and godspeed.

Edit: Btw emarkay, your post here is the equivalent of me going to the debian forums and complaining that debian is too bare bones and difficult to set up. You know what they would say? Use ubuntu! Choice is the key here, not rants.

[Tamlynmac]

WinterRain
Choice is good, be happy we have so many choices.

Well said.

IMHO, choice always benefits the end user.

It appears you have a positive point of view and I for one totally agree with you. As it's been my experience that Ubuntu/Linux/FOSS is all about choice.

I learned not to debate in this section (see sectional guidelines) and have accepted the fact that not all members share my point of view regarding choice. :shock:

Thus, I found your response - refreshing.

Good Luck

[emarkay]

OK - yes, and WR, the point is not that "orange" is better than "green".

The trend here and in many other 21st century products; and the "improvements" thereof is that there are more features added that no one wants, until some pompous designer forces theirs into place, or some clueless marketing manager finds something shiny that will get them a promotion. Thus the customer sees "new and improved" for the sake of "new and improved", while the overall level of competence on the part of the user declines in proportion to the newfound complexity of the system.

Have you looked at a modern car lately - more cup holders than seat bolsters and more cell phone adapters than sway bars. Then there's the SUV-the Windows Vista of the automotive world. I miss the ability to customize - to order a car without OnStar and GPS, to get the power and reliability of a V8. OK, even add the mandated Federal controls (even Windows 7 has FBI mandated "backdoors" in place - see www.cryptome.org (http://www.cryptome.org) for the documentation), too. But that's why my car is 25 year old...

Ubuntu was supposed to be configurable, secure and stable; beating Windows at its own game, and not be slaved to Capitalistic whims or "art for art's sake". However, it's become a parody of itself in its attempt to be all for those that can't RTFM.

I just want to get to the destination under my control, to avoid the distracted, to relax after a journey well done, and to await another challenge tomorrow; to know the limits of the machine, to be aware of the potential failure modes, to secure my data and to monitor the systems for efficiency and productivity.

Yea. I'll stick with Lucid, and pare it to brute functionality, and will investigate alternatives as I have spare time to delve.

Yea, that's enough here for this rant. Thanks. Oh and Troll? No, more like Curmudgeon. Peace!

[cap10Ibraim]

my phone has no camera.
I don't have a cell phone !! :guitar::shock:

[uRock]

I don't have a cell phone !! :guitar::shock:
Here in the states it costs more to have a home phone with long distance, than it costs to have 2 cellulars.

[cap10Ibraim]

Here in the states it costs more to have a home phone with long distance, than it costs to have 2 cellulars.

Same thing in my country, I don't own any kind of phone .

[Ms_Angel_D]

This is not a debate/discussion section of the forums, thank you all for participating.