this is why ubuntu is not #1

[parkus]

i come home from my friends house, pick up a usb headset, plug it into 9.04. turn it on. no sound. have to fix problem on a usb plug and play device. from the eyes of this sailor, ridiculous.

with that being said, ive been using linux for about 7 years, and ubuntu for about 4. i like linux a lot. i like the software support, updates, and total customization. basic functionalities kill it.

[00ber n00b]

Are you a real sailor?

[32034]

The indicator of Linux's acceptance to everyone and massive widespread use is the "can my Mom use it by herself" factor. No Windows XP/Vista user wants to Google a solution on someone's blog or a forum, type in commands and spend 2 hours to fix an issue.

[nmccrina]

Cool story, bro.

[parkus]

yes i am a real sailor. STG2 at your service.

[LowSky]

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[bowens44]

T No Windows XP/Vista user wants to Google a solution on someone's blog or a forum, type in commands and spend 2 hours to fix an issue.

Then he shouldn't be using windows, especially not Vista. It is much more difficult to resolve windows problems than most linux problems.

[blueshiftoverwatch]

...plug it into 9.04...
Have you tried it on 9.10? Maybe the problem your describing has already been fixed.

[Skripka]

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[32034]

Then he shouldn't be using windows, especially not Vista. It is much more difficult to resolve windows problems than most linux problems.

This is a reason why F/OSS movement isn't #1; with broad statements like this.

[pwnst*r]

Then he shouldn't be using windows, especially not Vista. It is much more difficult to resolve windows problems than most linux problems.

lol

[Keyper7]

This is a reason why F/OSS movement isn't #1; with broad statements like this.

You mean, broad statements like "my specific headset does not work, thus basic fuctionality as a whole is bad"?

Or maybe like "a specific person in the forum of a specific FOSS product made a broad statement, thus broad statements are the cause of FOSS unpopularity"?

Nothing is 100% bad. Nothing is 100% good. End of story.

[jpeddicord]

moved to Testimonials & Experiences

[Dragonbite]

i come home from my friends house, pick up a usb headset, plug it into 9.04. turn it on. no sound. have to fix problem on a usb plug and play device. from the eyes of this sailor, ridiculous.

with that being said, ive been using linux for about 7 years, and ubuntu for about 4. i like linux a lot. i like the software support, updates, and total customization. basic functionalities kill it.

Most of the devices I've gotten include a Windows driver CD. Should I get mad because it doesn't work out-of-the-box? Or what about the older games that was never kept up with the Windows version so it runs on 98, somebody created a patch for 2000 but XP and beyond is fubar?

Linux has had the better hardware support with the least amount of issues. Can't tell how fun it is to install Windows XP on a 2nd hand computer and then have to hunt-down the drivers for everything. Thankfully, Dell's Service Tag and website narrows it down to a few to choose from.

Just sounds like another blah..blah..blah.. recurring subject.

What's the make and model of the USB headset, so I can avoid it in the future?

[32034]

I've been using Linux, specifically Debian Linux, since 1997-98 when 2.0.36 kernel was out and the operating system itself still has the same issues regarding new hardware. I will admit - Ubuntu is better for driver support, but with something as simple as a headset; it should be supported.

[tweakedenigma]

I've been using Linux, specifically Debian Linux, since 1997-98 when 2.0.36 kernel was out and the operating system itself still has the same issues regarding new hardware. I will admit - Ubuntu is better for driver support, but with something as simple as a headset; it should be supported.

That should be the case, but in reality this items should be standards compliant and they tend not to be.

For example I tried many "dirver less" web cams and most didn't work on Mac or Linux. Although I searched around for one that had OSX listed on the Box and Wouldn't you know, it worked with Linux. Same thing for my USB Mic advertised as no drivers need and had OSX on the Box worked no issue.

There is really only so much that can be done by the community and I agree it is silly this kind of Item doesn't work. However Much like the folks using Mac a little looking to see if the item even has a chance of working goes a long way.

[Dragonbite]

That should be the case, but in reality this items should be standards compliant and they tend not to be.

For example I tried many "dirver less" web cams and most didn't work on Mac or Linux. Although I searched around for one that had OSX listed on the Box and Wouldn't you know, it worked with Linux. Same thing for my USB Mice advertised as no drivers need and had OSX on the Box worked no issue.

There are also issues such as my Webcam that is detected and works in Linux under Cheese, but doesn't work with Skype. Is it Linux's fault, or Skype?

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[jpeddicord]

For example I tried many "dirver less" web cams and most didn't work on Mac or Linux. Although I searched around for one that had OSX listed on the Box and Wouldn't you know, it worked with Linux. Same thing for my USB Mice advertised as no drivers need and had OSX on the Box worked no issue.

I've noticed that as well; if it's labeled as OSX compatible it'll likely work well in Linux.

[Tamlynmac]

(http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=330216)LowSky (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=330216)
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Good Call... Definitely, belongs in the recurring discussion section.

Same old discussion (not ready for prime time), so lets move to the T&E. :confused:

I think megathreads might be beneficial in controlling recurring discussions of specific topics. Threads that continuously post a recurring topic could simply be added to the megathread in the recurring discussions section. This would provide all users with opportunity to comment in a megathread and eliminate the need for individual threads posted in multiple sections.

I don't see the need to re-visit a topic continuously in the T&E. Especially, when a thread in the recurring discussion section may already exist. I do understand that this may place an undue burden on the staff, which may question it's viability as an option.

Just my $0.02

[ElSlunko]

Pretty sure if it worked it still wouldn't be #1 :(.

[lancest]

What is your headset? My USB headset is Logitech and works perfectly. Volume control even works with on screen indicator and can change outputs easily in 9.10.

[Sef]

Moved to Recurring Discussions.

[Frak]

Then he shouldn't be using windows, especially not Vista. It is much more difficult to resolve windows problems than most linux problems.
wut

[Exodist]

yes i am a real sailor. STG2 at your service.
STG2? What is STG?
I was a SK2 before getting out.

[CharlesA]

STG2? What is STG?
I was a SK2 before getting out.

I googled it. (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STG)

Seems "Sonar Tech" is the best match (I could be totally wrong ofc..)

@OP: All OSes have problems with some hardware. I had an old webcam that worked with XP, but didn't with Vista (no drivers). Granted I don't know if it would work in Ubuntu, since I didn't try it, but just cuz something doesn't work, doesn't mean that the OS is to blame.

I've heard (read?) horror stories about USB headsets not working correctly. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=problems+with+usb+headset&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=b36c7832dbb01be6)

[Queue29]

My USB toaster doesn't work with Ubuntu either. To hell with this crap.

[Hanto]

i come home from my friends house, pick up a usb headset, plug it into 9.04. turn it on. no sound. have to fix problem on a usb plug and play device. from the eyes of this sailor, ridiculous.

with that being said, ive been using linux for about 7 years, and ubuntu for about 4. i like linux a lot. i like the software support, updates, and total customization. basic functionalities kill it.

Don't know why you had to wait until you got home from friends house, but I do agree this issue was part of my experience with 9.04 also. Even after considerable research and reloads, the only way I found to fix it was to install 9.10, which of course has its own set of ' rediculous ' basic functionality issues. In my case it was the wireless that worked out of the box in 9.04 was ' hammered ' in 9.10. I guess before each new release some part of the programming team goes on leave never to return for that release cycle. I've seen a lot of naysayers who seem to believe that these issues simply do not exist except in the mind of the person affected. And I must assume since I am a fellow sailor ( retired AT-1 Aviation Electronics Tech ) that this headset audio issue must have only affected former and active duty Navy personnel.
This is a good call shipmate, and one worthy of continued comment so that just maybe it will be looked at more seriously in the future releases.
And damn the naysayers, the ones with their heads in the sand.

[HappyFeet]

Do you think a mac user can go out and buy any old thing? No. Do some research BEFORE buying something.

As far as ubuntu not being 1#, I don't give a rat's @ss. It won't improve the quality of my life if market share goes up.

[3rdalbum]

i come home from my friends house, pick up a usb headset, plug it into 9.04. turn it on. no sound. have to fix problem on a usb plug and play device. from the eyes of this sailor, ridiculous.

with that being said, ive been using linux for about 7 years, and ubuntu for about 4. i like linux a lot. i like the software support, updates, and total customization. basic functionalities kill it.

9.04 is not the latest Ubuntu.

The latest version of Ubuntu includes the utility for setting sound inputs and outputs, whereas in 9.04 it was a seperate download.

[Hanto]

Last edited by jpeddicord; 21 Hours Ago at 12:12 PM.. Reason: unnecessary large font

So must I suppose that blind people aren't allowed to read, comment, or edit any posts on this website???
I'm wondering why the options of increasing and decreasing the size of fonts, and/or changing the color of fonts exists, if they are not to be used. Why don't we just get rid of ' quotes ' too.... Or, I guess the thread originator could just indicate in his/her opening statements that he/she doesn't want responses from any blind people. However I will admit that as a visually deprived person I hate websites that engage in the use of black backgrounds and flourescent fonts that really, really make my eyes hurt trying to read them.

Just to add tho, my headset audio problem with 9.04 was NOT a USB issue, as I was using my Logitech headset with the USB adapter disengaged.. i.e. pretty much a straight wired headset about as generic as a headset can be.

I'm wondering, should I take my issue about changing my font sizes to the management as I kinda think blind people have a right to an opinion and the right to read/edit their opinions in a font we can read or should we be dependent on others ( visually unimpaired ) to write/edit our thoughts for us. :confused:

[Dragonbite]

So must I suppose that blind people aren't allowed to read, comment, or edit any posts on this website???
I'm wondering why the options of increasing and decreasing the size of fonts, and/or changing the color of fonts exists, if they are not to be used. Why don't we just get rid of ' quotes ' too.... Or, I guess the thread originator could just indicate in his/her opening statements that he/she doesn't want responses from any blind people. However I will admit that as a visually deprived person I hate websites that engage in the use of black backgrounds and flourescent fonts that really, really make my eyes hurt trying to read them.

Just to add tho, my headset audio problem with 9.04 was NOT a USB issue, as I was using my Logitech headset with the USB adapter disengaged.. i.e. pretty much a straight wired headset about as generic as a headset can be.

I'm wondering, should I take my issue about changing my font sizes to the management as I kinda think blind people have a right to an opinion and the right to read/edit their opinions in a font we can read or should we be dependent on others ( visually unimpaired ) to write/edit our thoughts for us. :confused:



Honest question; doesn't the browser allow for larger fonts to be viewed, or the OS? Please forgive my ignorance.

[jpeddicord]

I'm wondering, should I take my issue about changing my font sizes to the management as I kinda think blind people have a right to an opinion and the right to read/edit their opinions in a font we can read or should we be dependent on others ( visually unimpaired ) to write/edit our thoughts for us. :confused:


You have every right to be able to read and participate in the forums, however constantly using a large font inconveniences others who are reading through the thread.

If you need to use a larger font to read threads, you may use your browser's zoom function (View > Zoom > Larger) or set a larger default font in your browser's preferences. If you are having trouble with this I encourage you to start a new thread in Forum Feedback & Help (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48) so we can help you out better. :)

[Hanto]

You have every right to be able to read and participate in the forums, however constantly using a large font inconveniences others who are reading through the thread.

If you need to use a larger font to read threads, you may use your browser's zoom function (View > Zoom > Larger) or set a larger default font in your browser's preferences. If you are having trouble with this I encourage you to start a new thread in Forum Feedback & Help (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48) so we can help you out better. :)

I'm been using x86 computers since 93, been using military computers since 73 if I allow my Navy ' A ' schools to be the origination of my experience, but I don't. My REAL experience with military computers came with my first touch of V.A.S.T. ( Versatile Avionics System Test ) around 1984. The system was already old then, as it had been developed to support the Navy's F-14 program back in the 70's. The system worked well, in the hands of someone who actually paid attention to input/output, i.e. bad inputs ' always ' produced bad outputs. Interfaces were difficult, mechanical/electrical, and heavy, producing excess strain on the devices and the physical interface itself. The contacts that formed the actual electrical interface were copper alloy pins that were easily bent, squashed, and otherwise abused by the heavy interface devices that usually also included vender hardware/cards that further buffered the signals between the aircraft component ' under test ', and the VAST station itself that was generally 30 to 35 feet long, almost 10 feet tall, and some 4 feet in depth and required an extreme amount of cooling water ( for air conditioning ) to keep cool.
As I said I didn't get the chance to actually enjoy that experience until 84 when the technology was already old, but I loved it and I still swear by it. It could if needed still be used today assuming anyone actually wanted to save some D.O.D. funding dollars.

But those stations were huge, a shipboard shop composed of those station generally only had 4 stations and one of those was an abbreviated station. A shore base might have 5 full stations and 1 more ' half ' station. By the time the technology was mature, it was supporting equipment from almost every type of Naval aircraft that then existed. And the great thing about it was simply that it could support a lot of aircraft avionics equipment based upon the interchangeability of interface devices and their associated cabling. The programming language used was called Vital ( if my memory serves ).

At that time I wasn't blind yet, that didn't happen until about two years after my retirement in 93. Anybody could blame it on the small green monitors there were used as operator interface, but I don't. My blindness comes an entirely different source which wasn't macular degeneration often described by modern, young, untested doctors as a result of type 1 or type 2 diabetes. My blindness is the result of a disease the many opthalmologists have rarely seen in practice, but have heard about. I am constantly having to use my eye exams to train some new ' young ' doctor in the diagnosis of disease that at one time was THE leading cause of blindness in the American midwest and south, along the Mississippi and Ohio River valleys. And it will be again, once the geneticists figure out how to stop/prevents the effects of type1/2 diabetes.
Now when it comes the ZOOM that is available on most browsers these days. It's rarely used and anyone who actually types a message using the ' zoom ' function inside most browsers is a far braver man then I.

Now if you want to originate a new thread within the Forum Feedback & Help section using ' this ' message ' as the opening statement, please do. You have my permission. I will not strain my eyes any further. Just typing what I have already done has given me a very real headache. I tried to copy/paste this to a new thread within your suggested forum and my patience is at an end.

Thank you for not getting to angry with me, because in fact I cannot say the same. It is taking at lot out of me not to get angry with a forum that does not apparently comprehend the real world around it.

[Joeb454]

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I won't quote your entire post, as it was quite long. I simply want to ask this - why is the browser zoom such a bad thing (i.e. Ctrl + and Ctrl - ), what makes it so bad that you won't use it?

My main reason for asking, is because increasing the size of your posts, won't increase the size of other posts, perhaps I'm missing something, if so, please correct me.