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Sirin
February 20th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Are j00 getting the Verichip?



The VeriChip is first FDA-approved human-implantable RFID microchip. VeriChip received United States Food and Drug Administration approval in October 2004. About twice the size of a grain of rice, the device is typically implanted above the triceps area of an individualís right arm. Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16-digit number which can correlate the user to information stored on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses. The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic and once inserted, is invisible to the naked eye. The process can be performed in a physicianís office and takes only a few seconds.

While some Christian leaders have come out against the device, speculating that it might be the Mark of the Beast, health experts including Former Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, who sits on the board of directors of VeriChipís parent company Applied Digital, support the VeriChip as a useful tool in sharing medical information with health care providers in emergency situations.
Wikipedia Article Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verichip)

I'm not getting it. The Verichip network can probally be hacked, and I'm not taking any chances. [-(

Arktis
February 20th, 2006, 02:09 AM
Yah, not only that, but it essentially seals our role as human cattle (Remember it was necessary to number and track all the Jews during the World War II Holocaust, a role which IBM eagerly took part in with their new punch card system.) and violates our rights to our own bodies should such a thing ever become mandatory.

rfruth
February 20th, 2006, 02:15 AM
No RFID chip for me !

Jedeye
February 20th, 2006, 02:21 AM
count me out

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 02:22 AM
If I need you to know who I am, I'll damned well tell you my name. I wouldn't chip my cat, let alone my own sorry ***.

aeiah
February 20th, 2006, 02:25 AM
tommy thompson? is this for real? who calls their son thomas thompson for christs sake, and why should we take his word for how great it is when he's sat on the board of directors at the company? err.

xequence
February 20th, 2006, 02:29 AM
No chance at all.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 02:37 AM
That it is the mark of the beast is at best opinion and speculation. I see it as a privacy/civil liberties issue. I will never get one for the same reason I will not own GPS or Onstar. I fear the ability of the Government or corporations the ability to track me wherever I go or for anyone with a reader to be able to identify me without my permission. It is no ones business who I am or where I am going unless I decide to make it their business.

Sirin
February 20th, 2006, 02:40 AM
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WildTangent
February 20th, 2006, 02:43 AM
No F***in' way. The second my government makes something like that mandatory, that's when I leave the country and live somewhere else.

-Wild

xequence
February 20th, 2006, 02:44 AM
No F***in' way. The second my government makes something like that mandatory, that's when I leave the country and live somewhere else.

-Wild

Im coming too!

Kvark
February 20th, 2006, 03:09 AM
That will no doubt be mandatory in some countries sooner or later. Replace money with bank accounts tied to the chips and then there will be no more robberies for cash. Replace keys with security codes the chips send out and there will be no more lock picking houses or hotwiring cars. With a sattelite transmitter the police can see exactly who was at the scene of a crime and where they are hiding to caputure them in no time. Add a microphone that sends a live feed to a voice-to-text program coupled with a text search engine and the police can caputre criminals as soon as they even start talking about committing a crime. Add a small remote controlled tranquilizer capsule and the actual arrest will be a piece of cake.

I'll just move somewhere else if the first phases of that is ever implemented where I live. It's the people that should control the government and know everything the government does, not the other way around.

Biblical mark of the beast or not, it's the mark of the ever watching big brother beast.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:11 AM
That will no doubt be mandatory in some countries sooner or later. Replace money with bank accounts tied to the chips and then there will be no more robberies for cash. Replace keys with security codes the chips send out and there will be no more lock picking houses or hotwiring cars. With a sattelite transmitter the police can see exactly who was at the scene of a crime and where they are hiding to caputure them in no time. Add a microphone that sends a live feed to a voice-to-text program coupled with a text search engine and the police can caputre criminals as soon as they even start talking about committing a crime. Add a small remote controlled tranquilizer capsule and the actual arrest will be a piece of cake.

I'll just move somewhere else if the first phases of that is ever implemented where I live. It's the people that should control the government and know everything the government does, not the other way around.

Very well said!

prizrak
February 20th, 2006, 03:21 AM
That it is the mark of the beast is at best opinion and speculation. I see it as a privacy/civil liberties issue. I will never get one for the same reason I will not own GPS or Onstar. I fear the ability of the Government or corporations the ability to track me wherever I go or for anyone with a reader to be able to identify me without my permission. It is no ones business who I am or where I am going unless I decide to make it their business.
Do you have cell phone? Then you can be tracked. I can see legit uses of the said chip but there are countless evil ways for it to be used.

prizrak
February 20th, 2006, 03:23 AM
That will no doubt be mandatory in some countries sooner or later. Replace money with bank accounts tied to the chips and then there will be no more robberies for cash. Replace keys with security codes the chips send out and there will be no more lock picking houses or hotwiring cars. With a sattelite transmitter the police can see exactly who was at the scene of a crime and where they are hiding to caputure them in no time. Add a microphone that sends a live feed to a voice-to-text program coupled with a text search engine and the police can caputre criminals as soon as they even start talking about committing a crime. Add a small remote controlled tranquilizer capsule and the actual arrest will be a piece of cake.

I'll just move somewhere else if the first phases of that is ever implemented where I live. It's the people that should control the government and know everything the government does, not the other way around.

Biblical mark of the beast or not, it's the mark of the ever watching big brother beast.
Ever seen Demolition Man?

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Do you have cell phone? Then you can be tracked. I can see legit uses of the said chip but there are countless evil ways for it to be used.

Yes, but I can turn that off and it is prepaid. My name is not tied to my number.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 03:28 AM
Yes, but I can turn that off and it is prepaid. My name is not tied to my number.

It is if you have a social security number.

This is all moot anyways. If you have not been sealed by God through faith in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, you already belong to Satan. He does not need a mark to "own" you. He owns you by virtue of your rebellion against God.

Brian

Ahriman
February 20th, 2006, 03:29 AM
Replace money with bank accounts tied to the chips and then there will be no more robberies for cash.

I think that it would be easier to rob people then, if banks would rely on this chip. What's to stop me from hitting someone over the head, performing a surgical procedure in the alley with a pocketknife to take out their chip, then tape it on my shoulder, and going down to the nearest ATM? ;)

In any event, I'll move to the sticks and become a hermit if Australia loses its mind and this becomes mandatory.

Edit: spelling (d'oh!)

nemik
February 20th, 2006, 03:30 AM
i would, but only to create chaos.

for example: i'd have a chip exchange where i would swap out my chip with others every once in a while. of course this can be painful and prone to diseases, but if it could be done; the co's who think they are tracking people are actually getting obscure random data that is useless. :)

i think that would be cool. otherwise, no tagging for me thank you.

imagine
February 20th, 2006, 03:31 AM
I do not own a cell phone. Guess why.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:32 AM
It is if you have a social security number.

This is all moot anyways. If you have not been sealed by God through faith in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, you already belong to Satan. He does not need a mark to "own" you. He owns you by virtue of your rebellion against God.

Brian

I didn't have to give my social for a prepaid phone.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 03:36 AM
I didn't have to give my social for a prepaid phone.

True. My point was your name, if you live in America, is tied to a number, your social security number. I did not mean your cell phone number. Sorry for the confusion.

Brian

Kvark
February 20th, 2006, 03:38 AM
Ever seen Demolition Man?
nope


I think that it would be easier to rob people then, if banks would rely on this chip. What's to stop me from hitting someone over the head, performing a surgical procedure in the alley with a pocketknife to take out their chip, then tape it on my shoulder, and going down to the nearest ATM? ;)

i would, but only to create chaos.

for example: i'd have a chip exchange where i would swap out my chip with others every once in a while. of course this can be painful and prone to diseases, but if it could be done; the co's who think they are tracking people are actually getting obscure random data that is useless. :)
The chip could be equipped with a censor that detects if it is taken out or a dna reader to verify which person it is in once that technology becomes small enough.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:43 AM
It is if you have a social security number.

This is all moot anyways. If you have not been sealed by God through faith in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, you already belong to Satan. He does not need a mark to "own" you. He owns you by virtue of your rebellion against God.

Actually, I own you if you choose to rebel against the demon tyrant Jehovah. I made Satan my bitch years ago, you see. :)

Kernel Sanders
February 20th, 2006, 03:44 AM
That will no doubt be mandatory in some countries sooner or later. Replace money with bank accounts tied to the chips and then there will be no more robberies for cash. Replace keys with security codes the chips send out and there will be no more lock picking houses or hotwiring cars. With a sattelite transmitter the police can see exactly who was at the scene of a crime and where they are hiding to caputure them in no time. Add a microphone that sends a live feed to a voice-to-text program coupled with a text search engine and the police can caputre criminals as soon as they even start talking about committing a crime. Add a small remote controlled tranquilizer capsule and the actual arrest will be a piece of cake.

I'll just move somewhere else if the first phases of that is ever implemented where I live. It's the people that should control the government and know everything the government does, not the other way around.

Biblical mark of the beast or not, it's the mark of the ever watching big brother beast.


Its scarey, because in 100 years or maybe less, this WILL actually happen!

I'm just glad i'll be dead then......

Seriously, we need a worldwide constitution setting out basic freedoms and privacy laws, so that using technology for those purposes will be illegal before the technology itself is even invented!

My 2 cents :)

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:44 AM
Actually, I own you if you choose to rebel against the demon tyrant Jehovah. I made Satan my bitch years ago, you see. :)

ROFLMAO :mrgreen:

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Actually, I own you if you choose to rebel against the demon tyrant Jehovah. I made Satan my bitch years ago, you see. :)
Evidently you have not read Jude which warns against speaking evil against dignitaries, including Satan.


Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:55 AM
Seriously, we need a worldwide constitution setting out basic freedoms and privacy laws, so that using technology for those purposes will be illegal before the technology itself is even invented!

There's already the UN Charter of Human Rights, but frankly, it's not good enough. What's needed is something like ISO that sets out basic standards for what governments may and may not do -- with an enforcement arm sworn to defend liberty with both persuasion and force.

Lacking that -- who's up for armed revolution? I can't do much by myself with just a sledgehammer, you know. :evil:

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 03:56 AM
ROFLMAO :mrgreen:
Luke 6:25 " Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. "

Brian

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:56 AM
There's already the UN Charter of Human Rights, but frankly, it's not good enough. What's needed is something like ISO that sets out basic standards for what governments may and may not do -- with an enforcement arm sworn to defend liberty with both persuasion and force.

Lacking that -- who's up for armed revolution? I can't do much by myself with just a sledgehammer, you know. :evil:

I have a tire iron and a pipe wrench.

Bragador
February 20th, 2006, 03:57 AM
The human species is a social animal.

No wonder it is trying to become the Borg.

Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated !!!

:twisted:

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Evidently you have not read Jude which warns against speaking evil against dignitaries, including Satan.

*yawn* If I wanted a sermon, I'd have gone to church today. Yes, I've read Jude, along with the rest of the Bible (both the King James and the NIV, FYI). Perhaps you should read the book of the Stormrider:


1 When you meet one who claims the right to rule you by virtue of political office or preternatural power, whether divine or demonic, ignore him if you can and kill him if you must.

2 Your life belongs solely to you, by virtue of your ability to reason. To let any power overrule your mind is a sin against the self, the only truly unforgivable sin.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:01 AM
The human species is a social animal.

The human race is also a reasoning race. What good is reason if we continue to choose to act like our cousins among the apes?

Kernel Sanders
February 20th, 2006, 04:04 AM
On the religious front, I had spam from this guy today:

http://www.rael.org/rael_content/index.php :rolleyes:

LOL! \\:D/

If even 1 person got sucked in, then I will weep for humanity!

John

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:06 AM
If even 1 person got sucked in, then I will weep for humanity!

Don't knock Rael. He's probably the only washed-up French race-car driver to have a guaranteed source of young women to warm his bed.

Kernel Sanders
February 20th, 2006, 04:07 AM
Don't knock Rael. He's probably the only washed-up French race-car driver to have a guaranteed source of young women to warm his bed.

LOL!!! :mrgreen:

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:07 AM
*yawn* If I wanted a sermon, I'd have gone to church today. Yes, I've read Jude, along with the rest of the Bible (both the King James and the NIV, FYI). Perhaps you should read the book of the Stormrider:
It wasn't meant to be a sermon but a warning. You speak of things you have no understanding of. Read the Bible again but this time put away your worship of yourself before doing so. God does not reveal Himself to fools. You need Him, He does not need you.



1 When you meet one who claims the right to rule you by virtue of political office or preternatural power, whether divine or demonic, ignore him if you can and kill him if you must.

Funny, that is exactly what they did to Jesus Christ. The only problem was His murderers did not expect Him to raise from the dead and you certainly cannot ignore Him.



2 Your life belongs solely to you, by virtue of your ability to reason. To let any power overrule your mind is a sin against the self, the only truly unforgivable sin.

What a bunch of humanistic garbarge. So don't listen to parents, authorities, God, etc.. because they may overrule your mind because you ALONE have all knowledge and wisdom.

Brian

stoeptegel
February 20th, 2006, 04:12 AM
The human species is a social animal.


Funny combination of words, cause animal races are known to be more socialist to each other than humans. And that without any quality brain :-k

And for the chip, they can stop it somewhere in their darkest area.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 04:13 AM
I just love the iggy option on this forum.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:14 AM
God does not reveal Himself to fools. You need Him, He does not need you.

God doesn't marry fools either. Given that she's sitting next to me laughing at you, I'd suggest that you be more careful about underestimating the intelligence of people you only know from your forum posts.

Like Ozzy Osbourne says: "You tell me I'm a sinner? I've got news for you. I spoke to God this morning, and She don't like you."


Funny, that is exactly what they did to Jesus Christ. The only problem was His murderers did not expect Him to raise from the dead and you certainly cannot ignore Him.

Who do you think you're fooling? If the Roman and Jewish authorities had had the good sense to ignore Jesus, to dismiss him as yet another zealot, you'd be worshipping Mithras right now, or possibly Isis or even Pee-Wee Herman.


What a bunch of humanistic garbarge. So don't listen to parents, authorities, God, etc.. because they may overrule your mind because you ALONE have all knowledge and wisdom.

*yawn* Your inability to distinguish between using reason to persuade and using force to coerce is not my concern. Pray to your god for the wisdom to distinguish between the two before trolling here again, please.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:16 AM
I just love the iggy option on this forum.

Sorry, I can't resist smacking around zealots like this guy. I know it's like kicking a cripple, but sometimes I just can't resist. I am, after all, a demon.

BWF89
February 20th, 2006, 04:17 AM
They say that the chip is never designed to be mandatory. But I figure if you give it enough time it'll either become mandatory or so integrated into life that it will be hard to live without it.

I would never get one.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 04:17 AM
Sorry, I can't resist smacking around zealots like this guy. I know it's like kicking a cripple, but sometimes I just can't resist. I am, after all, a demon.

What is funny is I used to be one of him when I was young dumb and full of ***.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:19 AM
Funny combination of words, cause animal races are known to be more socialist to each other than humans. And that without any quality brain :-k

And for the chip, they can stop it somewhere in their darkest area.
Thats because animals have not a sin nature to deal with. What has our reasoning accomplished?

1. We now believe we descended from apes. (I though evolution was about ascending to a higher order?)

2. We have come up with sophisticated ways to destroy each other.

3. There are more humans in prison than animals in zoos.

Brian

briancurtin
February 20th, 2006, 04:19 AM
i didnt vote, or read the first post, because it says "j00" in the thread title.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:20 AM
What is funny is I used to be one of him when I was young dumb and full of ***.

Don't feel bad. I used to think Communism was a good idea, if it was practiced voluntarily by people agreeing to pool their resources and start a commune.

BWF89
February 20th, 2006, 04:21 AM
i didnt vote, or read the first post, because it says "j00" in the thread title.
Welcome to the internet ;)

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:25 AM
1. We now believe we descended from apes. (I though evolution was about ascending to a higher order?)

Actually, the scientific evidence suggests that humans and apes have a common ancestor. Stop wasting our time with this "men descended from monkeys" ********. People like you have been playing that tired old tune for the last hundred and fifty years, and it has become just a bit annoying.


2. We have come up with sophisticated ways to destroy each other.

And you think we need Satan's help for that? All it takes is a person who thinks it's OK to murder and destroy in the name of a "noble cause". Don't involve the supernatural when evil can be explained by the existence of bad philosophy and faulty logic.


3. There are more humans in prison than animals in zoos.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? Frankly, if I had it my way, there wouldn't be any rapists or muggers in jail, because those they prey on would be praised for blowing such filth off the streets instead of branded criminals themselves.

briancurtin
February 20th, 2006, 04:28 AM
Welcome to the internet ;)
more like 'welcome to stupid *** internet slang that never should have left some kids screen years ago'

xequence
February 20th, 2006, 04:30 AM
Wow.

Two people who think their belief is ultimate. Both are kinda scaring me right now o_O

Why cant we aggree to disaggree?

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:33 AM
God doesn't marry fools either. Given that she's sitting next to me laughing at you, I'd suggest that you be more careful about underestimating the intelligence of people you only know from your forum posts.

Foolishness has nothing to do with intelligence. Hitler was a fool to attack Russia but he did do so in a fairly intelligent manner. Foolishness deals with morals or the lack thereof.


Like Ozzy Osbourne says: "You tell me I'm a sinner? I've got news for you. I spoke to God this morning, and She don't like you."

Look at Ozzy's life. What a shipwreck. His life definitely reflects his worldview.


Who do you think you're fooling? If the Roman and Jewish authorities had had the good sense to ignore Jesus, to dismiss him as yet another zealot, you'd be worshipping Mithras right now, or possibly Isis or even Pee-Wee Herman.

That's the problem isn't it. You cannot ignore the Son of God. Whatifs don't matter. The fact of the matter is they murdered Him and He rose again from the dead. Christianity is the most perscuted religion in the history of the world and yet still it thrives and grows. You cannot ignore it. It condems sin and offers forgiveness for sinners.


*yawn* Your inability to distinguish between using reason to persuade and using force to coerce is not my concern. Pray to your god for the wisdom to distinguish between the two before trolling here again, please.

Again, Christ never used force to coerce anybody. It is humanistic tyrants like hitler and stalin thats uses force to promote their worldviews. I guess the problem with you is your parents never used force (spanking) to give you some wisdom.

Brian

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:36 AM
Sorry, I can't resist smacking around zealots like this guy. I know it's like kicking a cripple, but sometimes I just can't resist. I am, after all, a demon.
No you're a silly human who thinks he is so cool. Don't worry though, sooner or later, with your views, you will get to meet the one you say is your bitch. Maybe he will come for you tonight/today.

Brian

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:39 AM
What is funny is I used to be one of him when I was young dumb and full of ***.
I guess you evolved. However its not really funny. Apostasy is a terrible sin.

II Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Your are in big trouble.

Brian

Iandefor
February 20th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Hmm. What's all this about the Mark of the Beast? Read Revelation... there are sort of a few things that need to happen before we get to the Mark of the Beast... like a bunch of Christians disappearing, a lot of wars and a lot of famine, both so bad as to significantly reduce world population levels, and a plague of horrible flying scorpion monsters. And those are just a few examples.

If you decide to interpret Biblical lore literally, you can't selectively interpret events out of context.

But no, I will not get a VeriChip. Sounds spooky to me.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:46 AM
The fact of the matter is they murdered Him and He rose again from the dead.

So did Osiris, and that myth predates that of Jesus of Nazareth by at least a thousand years. Just about every culture on earth has a myth about a god that was murdered and rose from the dead.


Christianity is the most perscuted religion in the history of the world and yet still it thrives and grows.

There's no accounting for taste, especially poor taste.


You cannot ignore it.

It'd be easier to ignore if you Christians actually lived by Jesus' words instead of trying to legislate Leviticus.


It condems sin and offers forgiveness for sinners.

Yeah, all you gotta do is say "Forgive me, I believe." I bet it's a lot easier than actually taking responsibility for the wrongs one has done and setting out to right them.


I guess the problem with you is your parents never used force (spanking) to give you some wisdom.

And I bet you never took to heart the passage where Jesus says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 04:46 AM
Stormy, I think you scared the zealot away you demon.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:46 AM
Actually, the scientific evidence suggests that humans and apes have a common ancestor. Stop wasting our time with this "men descended from monkeys" ********. People like you have been playing that tired old tune for the last hundred and fifty years, and it has become just a bit annoying.

I will as soon as you stop putting men and apes in the same sentence. I love the word "suggest" btw.


And you think we need Satan's help for that? All it takes is a person who thinks it's OK to murder and destroy in the name of a "noble cause". Don't involve the supernatural when evil can be explained by the existence of bad philosophy and faulty logic.

I did not say we needed satan's help. We=humans.

However he sure did play part in getting Eve to eat that fruit didn't he.

"What exactly is that supposed to prove? Frankly, if I had it my way, there wouldn't be any rapists or muggers in jail, because those they prey on would be praised for blowing such filth off the streets instead of branded criminals themselves."

It proves God's indictment agains mankind:


Romans 3:10-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Funny that animals don't fall under this condemnation. So with all our reasoning capabilities, we still act worse than animals.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:47 AM
Maybe he will come for you tonight/today.

He'd better get his rosy red *** up here soon. He owes me money.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Stormy, I think you scared the zealot away you demon.

No such luck.

BWF89
February 20th, 2006, 04:49 AM
How did we get into a 10 page discussion about religion? This topic is about Big Brother, not God.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 04:49 AM
Wow.

Two people who think their belief is ultimate. Both are kinda scaring me right now o_O

Why cant we aggree to disaggree?
Because your eternal soul is at stake. Don't be scare. Read the Gospel of John and learn about how Jesus has died for the sins of His people so sinners can be forgiven and receive eternal life through His name.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:51 AM
I love the word "suggest" btw.

Sorry, darling, I know better than to think that scientific knowledge is fixed and unchangable. I don't make of science a religion. If I wanted false certainty, I would still be a Christian. I committed apostasy for a reason, after all: God created man, but man created religion.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:52 AM
How did we get into a 10 page discussion about religion? This topic is about Big Brother, not God.

God is what Big Brother wants to be, an unassailable tyrant of absolute power that mortals cannot hope to oppose.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:01 AM
So did Osiris, and that myth predates that of Jesus of Nazareth by at least a thousand years. Just about every culture on earth has a myth about a god that was murdered and rose from the dead.

Hmmnn, I don't see any Osiris worshippers around today.

The Old Testament which spans about 1500 years, foretold the death of Christ and the resurrection of Jesus Christ happened over 2000 years ago which in my math has "outlasted" the osiris myth.


It'd be easier to ignore if you Christians actually lived by Jesus' words instead of trying to legislate Leviticus.

I actually agree with you here. I do believe in the death penalty but I do not want to see the Old Testament system legislated. The death penalty actually predates the mosiac system. I am not for the Religious right.


Yeah, all you gotta do is say "Forgive me, I believe." I bet it's a lot easier than actually taking responsibility for the wrongs one has done and setting out to right them.

Forgive me, I believe is NOT Christianity. Repentance and faith is Christianity. Zaccheus, after he said he believed, told Jesus he would pay back 4 times the amount to those he ripped off. In response to Zacchaeus' statement, Christ said salvation has come to his house. I do not espouse "easy believism".


And I bet you never took to heart the passage where Jesus says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

I guess you never took to hear the passage where Jesus says: "John 7:24 " Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. "

The standard I am using to judge is the Word of God.

Brian

xequence
February 20th, 2006, 05:05 AM
Christianity is the most perscuted religion in the history of the world and yet still it thrives and grows.

Isnt jewish (or whatever its called) the most persecuted religon? You know, with the whole holocaust thing.

And that the word jew is now an insult. They seem pretty persecuted to me.


Because your eternal soul is at stake. Don't be scare. Read the Gospel of John and learn about how Jesus has died for the sins of His people so sinners can be forgiven and receive eternal life through His name.

Dude.

I am already religious and stuff, but this is how wars start! Argueing over religon. You dont see me trying to convert stormy, do you?

You have your beliefs. I have mine. Stormy has his.

Why must everyone try to change everyone elses beliefs?

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM
Muslims would also claim to be the most persecuted religion in the world also.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM
Sorry, darling, I know better than to think that scientific knowledge is fixed and unchangable. I don't make of science a religion. If I wanted false certainty, I would still be a Christian. I committed apostasy for a reason, after all: God created man, but man created religion.

Man created false religion. Man is inheritly religious but he is blind in his religious pursuits. Christ is the light of the world and His Word contains all that we need to know to worship God in spirit and in truth.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:09 AM
Man is inheritly religious but he is blind in his religious pursuits.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5738/owlorly5se.jpg

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:11 AM
"Isnt jewish (or whatever its called) the most persecuted religon? You know, with the whole holocaust thing."

No, the jewish perscution of world war two was the MOST publicized religious perscution of the 20th century. More Christians were murdered for their faith in the 20th century than any other religion. Communism went after Christianity with a vengence. Hitler also put Christians to death.

Brian

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:14 AM
Muslims would also claim to be the most persecuted religion in the world also.
Hmmn, that is interesting. I will considered that the next time I watch a muslim cut the head off an innocent person and when the islamic sudanese go off on another blood thirsty rampage against the Christian community there.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:16 AM
Communism went after Christianity with a vengence. Hitler also put Christians to death.

And how exactly is this surprising? Neither Hitler nor Stalin wanted to compete for power with the church. The Romans murdered Christians because they wouldn't do their "civic duty" by praying to the offical gods on the Emperor's behalf.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 05:18 AM
And how exactly is this surprising? Neither Hitler nor Stalin wanted to compete for power with the church. The Romans murdered Christians because they wouldn't do their "civic duty" by praying to the offical gods on the Emperor's behalf.

If I am not mistaken but didn't communism go after ALL religions. The soviet Union was almost half Muslim and China tried to destroy Buddhism.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:21 AM
If I am not mistaken but didn't communism go after ALL religions. The soviet Union was almost half Muslim and China tried to destroy Buddhism.

Yeah, but the Buddhists aren't nancy-boys and whinge about persecution like Christians and Muslims do. The Soviets killed Jews and atheists as well, if they didn't toe the Party's line. I bet they killed gays as well, but I doubt bcarpenter would care about that.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:21 AM
And how exactly is this surprising? Neither Hitler nor Stalin wanted to compete for power with the church. The Romans murdered Christians because they wouldn't do their "civic duty" by praying to the offical gods on the Emperor's behalf.
Its not meant to be surprising. I used it in my point about Christianity being the most perscuted religion in the world.

Why are you mis-quoting me?

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:23 AM
Why must everyone try to change everyone elses beliefs?

Hey, I'm not trying to change bcarpenter's beliefs. I'm content to mock them, and wouldn't have said anything if he didn't start blithering about rebellion against Demon and all that jazz.

grimdaze
February 20th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Hitler also put Christians to death.


Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
Mein Kampf

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
1922 speech

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:28 AM
Its not meant to be surprising. I used it in my point about Christianity being the most perscuted religion in the world.

I don't agree with killing people just because they believe in nonsense -- even if it's evil, mind-rotting nonsense like yours -- but frankly, a religion that condemns man as sinful by nature (through the doctrine of original sin) deserves to mocked.


Why are you mis-quoting me?

Wait, you mean you didn't say the following?


Communism went after Christianity with a vengence. Hitler also put Christians to death.

Do you object to my quoting only the part I give a damn about? Or perhaps I'm persecuting you?

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:31 AM
Joseph Stalin was a priest.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 05:31 AM
I did not know that Hitler had six million christians put to death simply because of their religion. Oh wait it was Jews that he did that too! My bad.

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:32 AM
Mein Kampf

1922 speech
Here is a link to wikipedia on Mein Kampf:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

Hilter's religion was a religion borned out of his twisted mine. Germany by the time of Hilter had long abandoned its Christian roots borne out of the work of Martin Luther. So your attempt at slander is moot.

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:33 AM
Hilter's religion was a religion borned out of his twisted mine. Germany by the time of Hilter had long abandoned its Christian roots borne out of the work of Martin Luther. So your attempt at slander is moot.

Ten yard penalty: "No True Scotsman" Fallacy!

bcarpenter
February 20th, 2006, 05:44 AM
Or perhaps I'm persecuting you?

You are persecuting Jesus Christ. Its His Word that you hate. Its His Word that will judge you at judment day. We will meet then.



I did not know that Hitler had six million christians put to death simply because of their religion. Oh wait it was Jews that he did that too! My bad.

Your public school training comes off well.

I leave with you some urls:

http://www.why-christianity.com/christianity.htm
Google Search on 20th century martyrs (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=christian+martyred+20th+century&btnG=Search)

Brian

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:48 AM
You are persecuting Jesus Christ.

Jesus of Nazareth is dead. He died screaming on a Roman cross; how can one persecute a dead man?


Its His Word that you hate. Its His Word that will judge you at judgment day.

Hate? The lies of Christianity are worthy only of my contempt. Why should I waste my hate on such a worthless religion?


We will meet then.

Believe what you like, and be damned to you.

grimdaze
February 20th, 2006, 05:56 AM
if he's leaving links to try and convert people then i'm gonna drop a link to prevent those helpless souls from taking that path.

http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php

btw, no chip for me!!!

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 06:02 AM
Hmmn, that is interesting. I will considered that the next time I watch a muslim cut the head off an innocent person and when the islamic sudanese go off on another blood thirsty rampage against the Christian community there.

Brian

I guess you forgot about the crusades where Muslims were slaughtered by Christians for living in the Holy Land. Or how about the Inquisition where Jews and Muslims were slaughtered for not being Christian. Oh those were justified because they were hell bound demons anyway!
I smell hyprocacy.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 06:09 AM
Your public school training comes off well.

I went to a private Christian Fundamentalist school thank you very much.

PenguinMan
February 20th, 2006, 06:57 AM
edit...

Lord Illidan
February 20th, 2006, 06:58 AM
Can we stop this religious discussion before it gets out of hand?

Iandefor
February 20th, 2006, 07:25 AM
Is it just me, or does Sirin have a talent for posting threads that quickly get out of hand?

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 07:30 AM
I tried to ignore the religious stuff and stay out of it but it got to a point I just could not take it any more. Just call me a big fish.

Iandefor
February 20th, 2006, 07:43 AM
It is if you have a social security number.

This is all moot anyways. If you have not been sealed by God through faith in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, you already belong to Satan. He does not need a mark to "own" you. He owns you by virtue of your rebellion against God.

Brian Evidence? Wanna prove to me that:
A) God exists as put forth in the Bible and subsequent theological decisions and interpretations of the Bible as put forth by the Church

B) Satan exists as put forth in the Bible and subsequent theological decisions and interpretations of the Bible as put forth by the Church

C) Satan owns anyone who isn't Christian

D) That by not accepting on faith what must be inherently unprovable, skeptics/atheists/Non-Christians are rebelling against the Christian God

Because if you don't give me studies, experiments, etc, I won't accept what you say. If all the above is true, it should be scientifically verifiable. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming that since you speak with such conviction, you obviously have some information that I don't have.

PenguinMan
February 20th, 2006, 01:59 PM
edit...

nocturn
February 20th, 2006, 02:12 PM
1984


Not a chance in hell.

PenguinMan
February 20th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Edit...

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Tell me, my friend, are you willing to die right now for your so-called beliefs?

Yes, I'm willing to kill or die in order to remain free of tyranny.


I am...

Good for you, but I'm not going to be the one to hold you to those words. In fact, if the federal government tried to ban Christianity, I'd be fighting by your side. Not because I care for you, or admire your beliefs, but because my own principles demand it.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:25 PM
The term cripple is not a funny one, especially when you have lost the physical life you once thrived on. [/COLOR]

I'm sorry that I offended you. My mother is handicapped due to an accident on a train, and I've observed that while some people are offended by the word "cripple", others use it themselves in the same manner that some black people in the US use the word "******". I'm used to using plain English instead of sugarcoating matters.

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM
How did you people manage to turn this into a christian vs. heathen discussion? I can't believe it, you sinners grab every chance you get to mock our Lord:mad:

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM
That it is the mark of the beast is at best opinion and speculation. I see it as a privacy/civil liberties issue. I will never get one for the same reason I will not own GPS or Onstar. I fear the ability of the Government or corporations the ability to track me wherever I go or for anyone with a reader to be able to identify me without my permission. It is no ones business who I am or where I am going unless I decide to make it their business.

Than you don't own a cell phone, and won't own a car 10 years from now. You'll also be one of the people Montag talks to at the end of Farienheit 451.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:34 PM
I can't believe it, you sinners grab every chance you get to mock our Lord:mad:

I can't believe it; you sinners grab every chance you can to preach. I'm an apostate; I turned my back on your religion. I'll refrain from mocking if you'll refrain from preaching.

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 03:38 PM
I can't believe it; you sinners grab every chance you can to preach.

Sorry, but in this thread, you're the ones who started it.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:38 PM
Than you don't own a cell phone, and won't own a car 10 years from now. You'll also be one of the people Montag talks to at the end of Farienheit 451.

Actually I do own a cell phone but 1. I can turn it off or choose not to carry it with me. 2. I use prepaid for that very reason. My name and Social Security number are not tied to the phone since you can purchase and activate it anonymously.

As far as a car goes if they ever put mandatory GPS in them then I will either remove/disable it or I will just buy a classic car and rebuild and maintain it. You can just sit there and accept these intrusions into your civil liberties and privacy all you want but I will die if I have to to remain free of this garbage.

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Actually I do own a cell phone but 1. I can turn it off or choose not to carry it with me. 2. I use prepaid for that very reason. My name and Social Security number are not tied to the phone since you can purchase and activate it anonymously.

As far as a car goes if they ever put mandatory GPS in them then I will either remove/disable it or I will just buy a classic car and rebuild and maintain it. You can just sit there and accept these intrusions into your civil liberties and privacy all you want but I will die if I have to to remain free of this garbage.


Agreed.

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Good or you, but I'm not going to be the one to hold you to those words. In fact, if the federal government tried to ban Christianity, I'd be fighting by your side. Not because I care for you, or admire your beliefs, but because my own principles demand it.

Something that has always stayed with me is something one of my history teachers told me about how every generation in America as had to fight small minded people with small minded goals for thier freedom. I wish I could remember his exact words because they had alot of power behind them the way he said it.

Oh, and the second I saw your bit about fighting for the right to religious freedom I thought about women's right to choose ... (ut ohs)

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Sorry, but in this thread, you're the ones who started it.

Nonsense. bcarpenter started it, and I can prove it. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=751835&postcount=17)

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Sorry, but in this thread, you're the ones who started it.

Turn the other cheek!!!!!!!!! yeesh.

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 03:46 PM
You can just sit there and accept these intrusions into your civil liberties and privacy all you want but I will die if I have to to remain free of this garbage.



Hey, I use linux and I don't give the cute best buy cashier my phone number. Dunno if that's a good idea or a bad one ... but it keeps be off the consumer tracking thing they've got going on lol.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:49 PM
How did you people manage to turn this into a christian vs. heathen discussion? I can't believe it, you sinners grab every chance you get to mock our Lord:mad:

I never attack Christianity. I was attacking unfair and faulty logic with historical facts. Also I was attacked and treated rudely by bcarpenter and unfairly judged without him even knowing me. I consider myself a Christian and just happen to believe in the bible as the word of God. At the same time, what gives him the right to come on this board and start preaching at everyone and condemning everyone to hell. He hijacked this thread and made it a platform to shove his beliefs down everyones throat and was incapable of discussing the topic at hand. I will not apologize for correcting outright insensitivty to others and incorrect statements about historical facts. He should remember the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Hey, I use linux and I don't give the cute best buy cashier my phone number.

When I'm paying cash, I give a false name and false phone number: Eddie Van Helsing, phone 1-800-HACKERS. :)

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 03:53 PM
I never attack Christianity. I was attacking unfair and faulty logic with historical facts. Also I was attacked and treated rudely by bcarpenter and unfairly judged without him even knowing me. I consider myself a Christian and just happen to believe in the bible as the word of God. At the same time, what gives him the right to come on this board and start preaching at everyone and condemning everyone to hell. He hijacked this thread and made it a platform to shove his beliefs down everyones throat and was incapable of discussing the topic at hand. I will not apologize for correcting outright insensitivty to others and incorrect statements about historical facts. He should remember the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


You should meet my uncle. Everytime he gets anoter divorce he becomes more religious to make up for it ... the kind of creative suppression his kids go though is gonna turn em all into very wierd sexual deviants. Oh, and according to him the world is gonna end in 12 years.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Hey, I use linux and I don't give the cute best buy cashier my phone number. Dunno if that's a good idea or a bad one ... but it keeps be off the consumer tracking thing they've got going on lol.

I do the same thing and I also refuse to shop at a grocery store that requires a savers card to get a fair price. I also do not use credit cards and pay with cash for everything. (Exception is I will use Paypal to buy computer parts online. Since that is the only thing I use it for I am not as worried about my spending habits being tracked.)

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 03:58 PM
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


If I wasn't a christian, I would be willing to get converted and preached to (or, as you call it, "having their believes shown down my throat). Also, I will defend my beliefs if I see someone mocking them, you have a problem with that?

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM
If I wasn't a christian, I would be willing to get converted and preached to (or, as you call it, "having their believes shown down my throat). Also, I will defend my beliefs if I see someone mocking them, you have a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with that if I was attacking your beliefs. I never attacked his beliefs in God, Jesus, sin or the bible since I personally hold to many of those beliefs. My problem with bcarpenter was he went on a rampage and started attacking me and sending me straight to hell. He was the one in the wrong and I did nothing to him to warrant that kind of assault. Did I call him a zealot, yes and that was because he was acting like one. You on the other hand have always been respectful to me and never treated me with one ounce of disrespect. And that is why my response to your concerns is a lot different because I tend to treat people the way they treat me right or wrong.

Gadren
February 20th, 2006, 04:10 PM
As a Christian whose church is strong on proselytizing (LDS), I have no problem with people sharing their beliefs with others and encouraging them to change their lives. However, if someone rejects those beliefs, it's only going to cause contentions if you keep pressuring and going into fire-and-brimstone sermons.



Anyway...where were we? Oh, yes, Verichip! Definitely not. I don't want to be tracked -- the system has too much potential for abuse.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:13 PM
As a Christian whose church is strong on proselytizing (LDS), I have no problem with people sharing their beliefs with others and encouraging them to change their lives. However, if someone rejects those beliefs, it's only going to cause contentions if you keep pressuring and going into fire-and-brimstone sermons.

Being an apostate, I find that there's a right way to proselytize and a wrong way. It's one thing to ask, "Have you heard about Jesus?" and then stop when somebody says, "I'm not interested," or "I've heard, but I don't believe." You'll arouse less anger with a soft approach than by dumping a bucket of fire and brimstone on somebody's head.

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 04:16 PM
I don't have a problem with that if I was attacking your beliefs. I never attacked his beliefs in God, Jesus, sin or the bible since I personally hold to many of those beliefs. My problem with bcarpenter was he went on a rampage and started attacking me and sending me straight to hell. He was the one in the wrong and I did nothing to him to warrant that kind of assault. Did I call him a zealot, yes and that was because he was acting like one. You on the other hand have always been respectful to me and never treated me with one ounce of disrespect. And that is why my response to your concerns is a lot different because I tend to treat people the way they treat me right or wrong.


As much as I may agree, I really don't see why you had to go all the way down to bcarpenter's level (you might not have mocked christianity, but you came very close to abusing it like he did)?

nocturn
February 20th, 2006, 04:19 PM
guys, let's end the religious debate here. This thread is about a chip implant.

Master Shake
February 20th, 2006, 04:22 PM
Not gonna do it. The government already has too much control over our privacy.

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:26 PM
Not gonna do it. The government already has too much control over our privacy.

Government or not, I wouldn't do it. I have no need to broadcast my identity. If you want to know who I am, ask me -- and be prepared to explain your reasons.

DeadEnd
February 20th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Sure where do I sign up ?
All crime can be solved, no one would get lost,
There should be a small part of the planet set aside for the non chippies while the chippies can live in peace.
If your a non chippe attempting to get into a chippie sector then maybe small lazer pops up and thats that , another non chippie bites the dust :)

Technology is my GOD it has done more good for the human race in last hundred years than thousand of years of all religions plying their lies.

so what about the harm technology has wrought?

It is the man who controls and abuses the technology not the technology itself that is at fault and how much pain and suffering has occured in the name your GODS?

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Sure where do I sign up ?
All crime can be solved, no one would get lost,

Are you thinking your way through all of the probable consequences that will rise from abuse of this technology? In America, you could always find a party. In Soviet Russia, the Party could always find you. Is that what you want for the entire world?


There should be a small part of the planet set aside for the non chippies while the chippies can live in peace.
If your a non chippe attempting to get into a chippie sector then maybe small lazer pops up and thats that , another non chippie bites the dust :)

That's a charming sentiment straight out of Huxley's Brave New World. Tell me something: what's to stop me from carrying a device that emulates a chip and broadcasts a false identity? I could slip in, wreak havoc, abandon the device, and just carry a new one with a new false ID for my next attack?


so what about the harm technology has wrought?

Let's ask the dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki about the harm wrought by technology when it is abused.


It is the man who controls and abuses the technology not the technology itself

Face reality: some tech is more easily abused. Do you have any idea as to how chip ID tech can be abused and bent to the service of tyranny?

chimera
February 20th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Sure where do I sign up ?
All crime can be solved, no one would get lost,
There should be a small part of the planet set aside for the non chippies while the chippies can live in peace.
If your a non chippe attempting to get into a chippie sector then maybe small lazer pops up and thats that , another non chippie bites the dust :)

Technology is my GOD it has done more good for the human race in last hundred years than thousand of years of all religions plying their lies.

so what about the harm technology has wrought?

It is the man who controls and abuses the technology not the technology itself that is at fault and how much pain and suffering has occured in the name your GODS?


Great, here we go again...

This technology can and WILL be used to track your every step, just like your phone is being tapped and your credit card is being tracked. Technology like this is just helping the police state increase it's power and widen it's reach. In a matter of years, they'll probably start implanting the verichips in babies at birth.

And christianity has always strived for peace, freedom and a world united under one god. Modern technology stands very much against all three of those principles.

Krigl
February 20th, 2006, 04:40 PM
There should be a small part of the planet set aside for the non chippies while the chippies can live in peace.

Ah, yeah, there used to be experiments of this kind before. The problem was always the same - the place for non-somethingers was either on Siberia (climate slightly worse then French Riviera) or six feet under. The chippies would surely live in peace, I don't doubt it but a mere thinking of this kind of peace makes me wanna puke. Count me out.

TrailerTrash
February 20th, 2006, 04:46 PM
No F***in' way. The second my government makes something like that mandatory, that's when I leave the country and live somewhere else.

-Wild


Same here..:???: [-(

Deaf_Head
February 20th, 2006, 04:47 PM
And christianity has always strived for peace, freedom and a world united under one god. Modern technology stands very much against all three of those principles.


You know what else strives against those principles? The Earth Revolving around the sun. O, poor galileo

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 04:55 PM
And christianity has always strived for peace, freedom and a world united under one god. Modern technology stands very much against all three of those principles.

Oh, really? I'll grant that some Christians have worked for peace and others for freedom, but those who tried to unite the world under one god used methods utterly inimical to peace and liberty alike!

Gadren
February 20th, 2006, 04:58 PM
:neutral: uhh, can I repeat another's post?


guys, let's end the religious debate here. This thread is about a chip implant.

:P

fuscia
February 20th, 2006, 05:06 PM
Look at Ozzy's life. What a shipwreck.

at least he hasn't gotten nailed to a cross while his dad forsakes him.

TrailerTrash
February 20th, 2006, 05:06 PM
Its been a very intresting thread here. :-k Im a Christian and damn proud! Anyways..Have a great day! \\:D/

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 05:07 PM
at least he hasn't gotten nailed to a cross while his dad forsakes him.

Ozzy probably had himself a howling good time, too.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Ozzy rules!

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Ozzy rules!

Bruce Dickinson pwnz Ozzy. :)

Sirin
February 20th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Here's how small the chip is:

http://www.greatdreams.com/political/verichip.jpg

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 07:54 PM
Here's how small the chip is:

http://www.greatdreams.com/political/verichip.jpg

It will fit easily up the makers *** !

Stormy Eyes
February 20th, 2006, 07:55 PM
It will fit easily up the makers *** !

You won't even need lube. :evil:

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Yah, not only that, but it essentially seals our role as human cattle (Remember it was necessary to number and track all the Jews during the World War II Holocaust, a role which IBM eagerly took part in with their new punch card system.) and violates our rights to our own bodies should such a thing ever become mandatory.
http://www.saulmoran.com/strawman.jpg

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 07:58 PM
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7259/billgatesmark4cl.jpg
Hehehe

Not the chip, but safe computing will... Microsoft has been blowing RIAA and MPAA for some time with that, which is simply DRM in a shinier package.

fuscia
February 20th, 2006, 08:01 PM
Bruce Dickinson pwnz Ozzy. :)

clearly, ozzy needs more cowbell.

grimdaze
February 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7259/billgatesmark4cl.jpg

that's...priceless.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Meh... just being a nit-pick.

Replace keys with security codes the chips send out and there will be no more lock picking houses or hotwiring cars.
Yes there will :) . Only this time, it will be a guy with a small radio transmitter trying a bunch of codes until he gets the thing to unlock/start.

Also, if you want to get into a house, then there's always a sledge-hammer. And you'll still need to hot-wire a car in order to get it started. Just because you change the manner in which one starts a car, doesn't mean that the mechanical way that a car starts won't need an electrical spark/signal.

With a sattelite transmitter the police can see exactly who was at the scene of a crime and where they are hiding to caputure them in no time. Add a microphone that sends a live feed to a voice-to-text program coupled with a text search engine and the police can caputre criminals as soon as they even start talking about committing a crime. Add a small remote controlled tranquilizer capsule and the actual arrest will be a piece of cake.
This can have benefits as well, such as better communication... but it depends on how far this will go.

Biblical mark of the beast or not, it's the mark of the ever watching big brother beast.
Major companies have been doing this for years, the only difference now is that the government will have access to this info.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:06 PM
I didn't have to give my social for a prepaid phone.
No offense, but it would be naive of you to think that you won't be tracked down.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:09 PM
There's already the UN Charter of Human Rights, but frankly, it's not good enough. What's needed is something like ISO that sets out basic standards for what governments may and may not do -- with an enforcement arm sworn to defend liberty with both persuasion and force.

Lacking that -- who's up for armed revolution? I can't do much by myself with just a sledgehammer, you know. :evil:
You live in Connecticut, buying up some guns (short of assault rifles) and getting a conceal permit for you would be cake.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Buying a new top of the line computer to support Windows Vista, $5000 dollars.

Buying that new copy of Windows Vista to run the new computer, $500 dollars.

Bill Gates taking over the world, playing big brother and becoming the Antichrist, priceless.

For evrything else there's Mastercard. ;)

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Actually, I own you if you choose to rebel against the demon tyrant Jehovah. I made Satan my bitch years ago, you see. :)
Tha ****er. I knew I shouldn't have let him go to your house.

mstlyevil
February 20th, 2006, 08:12 PM
No offense, but it would be naive of you to think that you won't be tracked down.

All I have to do is turn it off or leave it at home. It is kind of hard to track something when you do not carry everywhere with you.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Buying a new top of the line computer to support Windows Vista, $5000 dollars.

Buying that new copy of Windows Vista to run the new computer, $500 dollars.

Bill Gates taking over the world, playing big brother and becoming the Antichrist, priceless.

For evrything else there's Mastercard. ;)
If they expect me to come up with $5500 dollars for that crap, then the better have a way for me to mortgage my soul.

Arktis
February 20th, 2006, 08:17 PM
http://www.saulmoran.com/strawman.jpg
Okay wait... uh... what? :rolleyes:

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Look at Ozzy's life. What a shipwreck. His life definitely reflects his worldview.
Hmm... a loving wife [check], being non-snotty while rich [check], having 2 kids with whom it's fun to hang out [check], being loved by millions [check]. What am I missing here?

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Okay wait... uh... what? :rolleyes:
You made a strawman argument. The comparison doesn't make sense given the context.

Arktis
February 20th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Aha. I thought so. Good for you I guess.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Yeah, but the Buddhists aren't nancy-boys and whinge about persecution like Christians and Muslims do. The Soviets killed Jews and atheists as well, if they didn't toe the Party's line. I bet they killed gays as well, but I doubt bcarpenter would care about that.
Wouldn't doubt about the gays. Castro has sent countless gays for being gay to Cuba's own gulag system. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#Homosexuality)

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:29 PM
Aha. I thought so. Good for you I guess.
If you ever need me to correct you, give a holler :) .

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Mein Kampf

1922 speech
It all boiled down to whether christians toed the party line. There were those that backed the Nazi regime or looked the other way while knowing that Hitler was committing attrocities. There were those christians that would resist him and paid for that.

Since most of those that Hitler wanted to get on his side were christian, he pretended to be a christian in order to make himself more appealable.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:35 PM
I would not get the Verichip even if you paid me to do it. It may be the Mark of the Beast, it may not be. All I know is that no government is going to require me to get a microchip to keep track of me. That is an invasion of my constitutional rights...
Technically... it's not, atleast it won't be based on how it is implemented. That and based on how our government acted in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they cut corners.

Arktis
February 20th, 2006, 08:35 PM
Wouldn't doubt about the gays. Castro has sent countless gays for being gay to Cuba's own gulag system. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#Homosexuality)Castro streets everywhere have become favored gay hangouts. Here's a page about the most famous one: http://thecastro.net/

It's poetic.

Hahahaha :-D

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:36 PM
Can we stop this religious discussion before it gets out of hand?
Too late :) .

I hope bcarpenter won't get banned, he's entertaining.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Ok, back to the chip :) . Imo, it depends on what it will be used for. If it's completely voluntary and I can choose what information I want it to store, I'd use it. I think it's a great idea if I can store my private health data on it in order to make it easier for a physician to find out if I have any allergies to medicines in an emergency... that's about it though.

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Castro streets everywhere have become favored gay hangouts. Here's a page about the most famous one: http://thecastro.net/

It's poetic.

Hahahaha :-D
Recently the Castro regime has been forced to become less mean. After the USSR collapsed the money dried up and they were forced to open their economy to the dollar in order to survive.

They allowed Jews to have Rabbis visit and import kosher food. Also, Christians now can have priests visit them (the Pope was there.) Plus gays and lesbians are no longer persecuted (as much) by him...

But that hardly begins to wash away the massmurder that his regime committed (as is shown in the link.)

YourSurrogateGod
February 20th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Also, shouldn't this thread go to the backyard?

Based on the starting post as well as how it has progressed, it doesn't really have much to do with Linux or just other simple-chatting... just thinkin'.

Sirin
February 20th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Check this out (rtsp://209.215.175.40:554/cincinowrs/2006/02/13_chips.rm) (RealVideo Clip), businesses are already starting to use them. :eek:

If you can't play the video, you can view the news article at http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/02/13/implant.html.

Zimmer
February 20th, 2006, 09:32 PM
So the next crimewave: hands being hacked off so the nmuggers can visit the ATM !
The post mentioning hot wiring cars intrigued me. Since the advent of systems in the car that recognise that the key is not present and immobilise the car more and more people are being 'car-jacked' , or their houses broken into for the car keys. New technology, new methods ! Same with ID cards to cut down fraud; once they become the norm they will become the target for crims, and probably find it easier to use once society has accepted the card as 'Proof' of ID.
What a waste of public money! The future I read about years ago in Sci-fi books is here, the future where there is no 'cash' only credits and ID, and if you upset someone in power, you lost your credits, and ultimately your ID, very Kafka-esque...

Sirin
February 21st, 2006, 09:00 AM
Ok, back to the chip :) . Imo, it depends on what it will be used for. If it's completely voluntary and I can choose what information I want it to store, I'd use it. I think it's a great idea if I can store my private health data on it in order to make it easier for a physician to find out if I have any allergies to medicines in an emergency... that's about it though.

Here is their website, where you can check out stuff about it. http://www.verichipcorp.com/

*Sirin looks down at you all, because HE is the REAL Big Brother. :twisted:

Krigl
February 21st, 2006, 03:00 PM
"When they're catching the bird, they sing nice to him" as Czech proverb says. You don't need to have the chip or you can have it removed. But that's the beginning. Sooner or later people will let themselves chipped voluntarily and they'll even pay hefty price for it - phone chips, direct interface with computer (primitive form of this is already implanted to some guinea pigs quadruplegics, I heard) or simply computer in your head, whatever. At some point there will be so many "marked by the Beast" that just minority will care when companies start to demand chip for new employees and finally the "clean ones" will be treated as some kind of Jehova witnesses weirdos cause to the new generation of youngsters (chipped as newborns or very young) this will be natural thing and which generation of youngsters ever cared for those funny old lamers? Summary? We're doomed guys, either we die soon enough (this is long term process and might be even ceased by some civilization breakdown) or we should start choosing between some pleasant island for careless life and Iceland for poets who need suffering as inspiration (yeah, I like Brave New World too).

Btw. I had finally time to read this thread completely - does anybody of you know bcarpenter's dealer? Must have some great stuff. I pity Brian when he gets sober and read it after himself.

Stormy Eyes
February 21st, 2006, 03:17 PM
You live in Connecticut, buying up some guns (short of assault rifles) and getting a conceal permit for you would be cake.

Dude, I'm nearsighted. I'd probably blow away some innocent grandma after losing my glasses (or contacts) in the heat of battle. I'll stick with close-range instruments. Maybe a sword. I should drag Cluebringer out of the closet.

Sirin
February 23rd, 2006, 06:27 PM
Also, shouldn't this thread go to the backyard?

It depends on how you guys act. ;)

PenguinMan
March 9th, 2006, 02:08 AM
edit...

Sirin
March 23rd, 2006, 05:46 PM
LOL That would most likely be the case. :)
Yes, and that government would try their best to get other governments to join in on this.

trorion
March 24th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Yes, but I'm having installed into an unsuspecting person with good credit when they are really really drunk.

anv
February 22nd, 2008, 07:03 PM
Even I don't believe that this chip yet is the mark of the beast, maybe kind of pre-release of the forecomming "real thing"

But even so I will die before than letting put it inside of me.

aimran
February 22nd, 2008, 07:42 PM
Why the necromancing :|