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hellmet
November 5th, 2009, 01:13 AM
My body seems fit, and tight for the most part (Shoulder, Legs, Thighs), but its really bad and loose on the chest, and I have a fat belly. :lolflag:

Ideally, I'd like to lose all weight from my mid-section and add some muscle in that area.
I have access to my university gym, and I'd like to use a combination of regular exercises and weight-based exercises, too.

Do you guys have any suggestions on effective exercises for the abs, hips and uhm..butt?
I'd appreciate that.

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 01:14 AM
http://conniemooi.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/liposuction_photorsrchrs.jpg

MasterNetra
November 5th, 2009, 01:17 AM
I believe crunches will do the job.

loell
November 5th, 2009, 01:21 AM
also lessen your calorie drinking. I know I couldn't. ;)

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 01:22 AM
The key in loosing fat around the waist and such is to realize you can't spot reduce fat. Crunches will not just target your abs. side bends will not only target your "love handles". Your body pulls energy from your body as a whole with any given exercise.

The best way to lose fat around the abs/waist is to have a healthy diet. The second best thing is to have a muscle resistance routine(weight lifting) combined with cardio. If you do this the correct way you should lose about 10 lbs with in the first week, mostly water of course. As you continue you should see no more than 1.5 lbs of weight lose per week, unless you are severly obese.

I can go way more in-depth. Just ask away...

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 01:23 AM
http://conniemooi.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/liposuction_photorsrchrs.jpg

:lolflag:

Regenweald
November 5th, 2009, 01:32 AM
I believe crunches will do the job.
Nah they won't, they'll give you wonderfully chiselled muscle below the existing fat. For fat loss/muscle shaping, use a heavy cardio regimen and a medium workout in your target area.
Crunches simply don't have the muscle movement or range to burn major calories. Cardio cardio cardio.

sisco311
November 5th, 2009, 01:32 AM
bacon & ... and ... what's the other thing?

oh yeh, body movement.



















Did i miss something?

Yes, consult a specialist.

Yes
November 5th, 2009, 01:35 AM
I've heard that if you skip breakfast, your body freaks out and stores lots of extra fat, especially in that belly area. So make sure you're eating a bit for breakfast everyday.

lisati
November 5th, 2009, 01:40 AM
I've heard that if you skip breakfast, your body freaks out and stores lots of extra fat, especially in that belly area. So make sure you're eating a bit for breakfast everyday.

Hmmmm, interesting thought. I started having a more substantial breakfast for a while (previously just coffee) and put on a few pounds, most of which has come off again. (Good news from the doctor earlier today during a diabetes checkup: since the last checkup I'd lost something like 5kg. The not-so-nice news is that juding by one set of recent aches and pains I might be at risk of kidney stones. Out with the water bottle to help flush my system!)

juancarlospaco
November 5th, 2009, 01:41 AM
pondus , workrave , gnome-fitness
:)

punk4rock
November 5th, 2009, 01:45 AM
Cardio vascular workout coupled with stomach crunches should do it and watch what you eat. Carbs do well to keep you going during the workouts. But don't forget to have a balanced diet! :)

chucky chuckaluck
November 5th, 2009, 01:48 AM
gary taubes has some pretty interesting things to say about fat storage here - http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

if your diet's crap, you're still going to be fat (the legendary alexeyev comes to mind). however, how you exercise can have an effect on what your body thinks about what to do about fat. high intensity interval exercise probably is the best thing for losing weight while retaining lean body mass (unlike jogging). find a hill and sprint up it. compound lifts are pretty helpful, as well.

punk4rock
November 5th, 2009, 01:50 AM
gary taubes has some pretty interesting things to say about fat storare here - http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

if your diet's crap, you're still going to be fat (the legendary alexeyev comes to mind). however, how you exercise can have an effect on what your body thinks about what to do about fat. high intensity interval exercise probably is the best thing for losing weight while retaining lean body mass (unlike jogging). find a hill and sprint up it. compound lifts are pretty helpful, as well.

Talking of interval training - Fartlek is good. Google it :)

fela
November 5th, 2009, 01:52 AM
I've heard that if you skip breakfast, your body freaks out and stores lots of extra fat, especially in that belly area. So make sure you're eating a bit for breakfast everyday.

Who told you that, the ugly hand-waving green men from mars? ):P

pwnst*r
November 5th, 2009, 01:56 AM
I believe crunches will do the job.

no they won't. cardio does the job. crunches will help define but doesn't do squat if you're not doing cardio.

punk4rock
November 5th, 2009, 02:00 AM
no they won't. cardio does the job. crunches will help define but doesn't do squat if you're not doing cardio.

Tis true. The fat will stay underneath unless you burn doing cardio.

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:06 AM
Resistance training and cardio is key. You burn way more calories with weights than you ever will with cardio. Plus, the more muscle you have the more fat you will burn.
But, none of it matters if you don't have a proper diet.

lisati
November 5th, 2009, 02:07 AM
Speaking of breakfast foods, I used to think that a "cheerio" was a small red coloured sausage, like a small version of a saveloy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saveloy). I haven't tried the other kind of cheerios yet.

jrusso2
November 5th, 2009, 02:11 AM
Anyone who has taken anatomy and physiology should know you can't burn fat. You can only shrink the size of the fat. The fat cells can shrink or grow but surgery is the only way to get rid of them.

Exercise and a good diet low in carbohydrates should assist in shrinking the fat.

bonfire89
November 5th, 2009, 02:16 AM
The key in loosing fat around the waist and such is to realize you can't spot reduce fat. Crunches will not just target your abs. side bends will not only target your "love handles". Your body pulls energy from your body as a whole with any given exercise.

The best way to lose fat around the abs/waist is to have a healthy diet. The second best thing is to have a muscle resistance routine(weight lifting) combined with cardio. If you do this the correct way you should lose about 10 lbs with in the first week, mostly water of course. As you continue you should see no more than 1.5 lbs of weight lose per week, unless you are severly obese.

I can go way more in-depth. Just ask away...

yeeeeep


In fact crunches could just make your abs look even more fatty due to the fact that you will increase the size of the area with muscle without gaining definition.

Calories taken in - calories taken out = change in calories stores on/in your body.


Diet cardio diet cardio diet cardio


this guy has a lot of good vids for weight loss. http://www.youtube.com/user/BodyPerformanceTV?blend=2&ob=1

juancarlospaco
November 5th, 2009, 02:19 AM
FAT problems?, Format it as EXT4 :)

johnboy1313
November 5th, 2009, 02:20 AM
sit ups and push ups

Frak
November 5th, 2009, 02:29 AM
Cardio, cardio, cardio!

Frak recommends his routine: 4 miles per day + 1 rest mile (run 4, walk 1).

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:31 AM
Why does everyone here know so much about weight loss?

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:34 AM
Why does everyone here know so much about weight loss?

Personally, I was a US Marine. And I like bodybuilding, it's one of my hobbies. LOL

bonfire89
November 5th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Why does everyone here know so much about weight loss?

if you're going to sit for so many hours on your *** fiddling with linux, better work out as to not become a total nerdlinger in order to still get the "b*tches". lol

(said in a humorous way with truth behind it)


My computer friends are either over weight, or really into fitness. I guess half the people submitted to their geekyness and the other half are over compensating.

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Personally, I was a US Marine

Respect :P

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:37 AM
Respect :P

Thanks. :p

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:38 AM
if you're going to sit for so many hours on your *** fiddling with linux, better work out as to not become a total nerdlinger in order to still get the "b*tches". lol

(said in a humorous way with truth behind it)


My computer friends are either over weight, or really into fitness. I guess half the people submitted to their geekyness and the other half are over compensating.

Or become a 300lb b*tch lol.

Frak
November 5th, 2009, 02:40 AM
Why does everyone here know so much about weight loss?
Naval Officer (to be more correct, one in training ;))

bonfire89
November 5th, 2009, 02:43 AM
Or become a 300lb b*tch lol.

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2009/05/comic-book-guy.jpg

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:44 AM
http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/2009/05/comic-book-guy.jpg

Worst.Meme.Ever

ninjapirate89
November 5th, 2009, 02:47 AM
FAT problems?, Format it as EXT4 :)

Win!

hellmet
November 5th, 2009, 02:48 AM
Oh! Thank you all for your responses! never expected so many. :)
My diet is pretty well balanced. I'm a vegetarian and I always cook my meals. I eat in small quantities about 4 times a day. I don't have a sweet tooth, luckily. One issue is my consumption of alcohol , with soda (cola). I'm trying to use a higher quantity of water, hoping that someday I wouldn't need cola nomore.
My other issue is the lack of the range of veggies here in the US, compared to that available in India, however, I'm doing ok. I consume a lot of beans and lentils and have an occasional apple or orange. Pretty balanced, I guess.

Btw, I used to exercise regularly, until I left for India for a few months. I had lost a significant 25 pounds mostly with jogging and cycling. However, I really need to get rid of all fat, now. I'm 24 yrs old and this is a stage when you need to seriously take care of your health, or you'll start developing problems later on.

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:50 AM
Oh! Thank you all for your responses! never expected so many. :)
My diet is pretty well balanced. I'm a vegetarian and I always cook my meals. I eat in small quantities about 4 times a day. I don't have a sweet tooth, luckily. One issue is my consumption of alcohol , with soda (cola). I'm trying to use a higher quantity of water, hoping that someday I wouldn't need cola nomore.
My other issue is the lack of the range of veggies here in the US, compared to that available in India, however, I'm doing ok. I consume a lot of beans and lentils and have an occasional apple or orange. Pretty balanced, I guess.

Btw, I used to exercise regularly, until I left for India for a few months. I had lost a significant 25 pounds mostly with jogging and cycling. However, I really need to get rid of all fat, now. I'm 24 yrs old and this is a stage when you need to seriously take care of your health, or you'll start developing problems later on.

Cold turkey the coke.

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:51 AM
Oh! Thank you all for your responses! never expected so many. :)
My diet is pretty well balanced. I'm a vegetarian and I always cook my meals. I eat in small quantities about 4 times a day. I don't have a sweet tooth, luckily. One issue is my consumption of alcohol , with soda (cola). I'm trying to use a higher quantity of water, hoping that someday I wouldn't need cola nomore.
My other issue is the lack of the range of veggies here in the US, compared to that available in India, however, I'm doing ok. I consume a lot of beans and lentils and have an occasional apple or orange. Pretty balanced, I guess.

Btw, I used to exercise regularly, until I left for India for a few months. I had lost a significant 25 pounds mostly with jogging and cycling. However, I really need to get rid of all fat, now. I'm 24 yrs old and this is a stage when you need to seriously take care of your health, or you'll start developing problems later on.

Have you tried pepsi max?

bonfire89
November 5th, 2009, 02:52 AM
Oh! Thank you all for your responses! never expected so many. :)
My diet is pretty well balanced. I'm a vegetarian and I always cook my meals. I eat in small quantities about 4 times a day. I don't have a sweet tooth, luckily. One issue is my consumption of alcohol , with soda (cola). I'm trying to use a higher quantity of water, hoping that someday I wouldn't need cola nomore.
My other issue is the lack of the range of veggies here in the US, compared to that available in India, however, I'm doing ok. I consume a lot of beans and lentils and have an occasional apple or orange. Pretty balanced, I guess.

Btw, I used to exercise regularly, until I left for India for a few months. I had lost a significant 25 pounds mostly with jogging and cycling. However, I really need to get rid of all fat, now. I'm 24 yrs old and this is a stage when you need to seriously take care of your health, or you'll start developing problems later on.


Booze will do it.

And remember, you can get fat off vegetables. and you could probably also theoretically lose weight eating nothing but butter.

It's about calories taken in vs calories burned.

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Booze will do it.

And remember, you can get fat off vegetables. and you could probably also theoretically lose weight eating nothing but butter.

It's about calories taken in vs calories burned.

Butter?

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Booze will do it.

And remember, you can get fat off vegetables. and you could probably also theoretically lose weight eating nothing but butter.

It's about calories taken in vs calories burned.

This.

In order to lose that last bit of fat you really have to know your calorie range and/or your activity level. Some people can consume 3k calories a day and not gain any fat, while others can look at a whopper with cheese and gain a pound.

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 02:56 AM
Butter?

theoretically...obviously not the most healthiest way, but it is possible.

bonfire89
November 5th, 2009, 02:59 AM
theoretically...obviously not the most healthiest way, but it is possible.

of course. heh

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 03:02 AM
Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto. That only really works if you have the first and last letter in the right place. Otherwise you waste 30 secs trying to figure out what language it is and then end up feeling an idiot :(

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 03:06 AM
That only really works if you have the first and last letter in the right place. Otherwise you waste 30 secs trying to figure out what language it is and then end up feeling an idiot :(

It's not the same method that you are thinking of. Like... I dnot hvae to wtire teshe wrdos in odrer.

Each word is an english word that is scrambled randomly and forms a sentence. Did you figure it out?

sisco311
November 5th, 2009, 03:07 AM
gary taubes has some pretty interesting things to say about fat storage here - http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

if your diet's crap, you're still going to be fat (the legendary alexeyev comes to mind). however, how you exercise can have an effect on what your body thinks about what to do about fat. high intensity interval exercise probably is the best thing for losing weight while retaining lean body mass (unlike jogging). find a hill and sprint up it. compound lifts are pretty helpful, as well.

thanks for the link!

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 03:08 AM
It's not the same method that you are thinking of. Like... I dnot hvae to rghit teshe wrdos in odrer.

Each word is an english word that is scrambled randomly and forms a sentence. Did you figure it out?

It;s human nature to figure things out. I maybe dumb, but I can read :P

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 03:10 AM
It;s human nature to figure things out. I maybe dumb, but I can read :P

And you just proved the point of the scrambled sentence. It has nothing to do with being dumb...it's human nature to want to figure things out. ;)

edin9
November 5th, 2009, 03:10 AM
And you just proved the point of the scrambled sentence. It has nothing to do with being dumb...it's human nature to want to figure things out. ;)

Touche.

Keikowned
November 5th, 2009, 03:38 AM
Ok . . . I read the first 2-3 replies and decided to just skip to my reply.

One, you can not target losing weight in a specific area, your body loses fat all together, not separately.
Medium-Heavy Cardio to lose fat.

Regarding muscle, chest-wise there are 4 parts to "exercise". Your upper chest, your lower chest, your inner chest and your outer chest. (I would suggest asking someone at the gym that knows what they are doing what exercises to do, and how many reps of each, same with the abdomen)

General rule of thumb, you want to lift heavy things for short amount of reps for maximum muscle growth.

00ber n00b
November 5th, 2009, 03:40 AM
(I would suggest asking someone at the gym that knows what they are doing what exercises to do, and how many reps of each, same with the abdomen)

Or you can ask me... ;)

lisati
November 5th, 2009, 04:47 AM
Why does everyone here know so much about weight loss?

I don't know that much about it. The first thing that comes to mind when Mrs Lisat mentions it is decapitation, but the potential consequences of that approach are not to our liking.

amitabhishek
November 5th, 2009, 05:44 AM
FAT problems?, Format it as EXT4 :)

LMAO!!!

Recently on newsoftheworld.co.uk; Scary Spice (of Spice Girls) had mentioned her fitness program. If I remember correctly 100 crunches in 5 mins or something! Have a look there; I can't, am in office behind firewall.

lrcaballero
November 5th, 2009, 05:49 AM
Do some jogging and jump rope at least 4 to 5 times a week. Also reduce your carbs intake... NO bread, tortillas, muffins, cakes and so on....... also smaller portions when eating. Do this and you should be in good shape. The first 2 weeks are going to be THE key but ones you see the results you will not stop. (believe me).

Good Luck,


Luis

Windows Nerd
November 5th, 2009, 05:57 AM
FAT problems?, Format it as EXT4 :)
Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

ad_267
November 5th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Speaking of breakfast foods, I used to think that a "cheerio" was a small red coloured sausage, like a small version of a saveloy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saveloy). I haven't tried the other kind of cheerios yet.

Wow, never knew cheerios were only a sausage in NZ. Had to edit the wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerio) to add that. Good to know American's don't actually eat bowl fulls of sausages for breakfast.

handy
November 5th, 2009, 06:41 AM
Liposuction (http://www.liposuction.com/), & specify that you want to keep the fat to make soap out of...

Tristam Green
November 5th, 2009, 02:38 PM
Push that keyboard away.
Eat "right" - as subjective as that can be, a change in diet to a healthier one is key.
Exercise some. Like one of the first posters said, a single targeted area workout won't reduce inches, doing work and exercise all over will help more.
Sleep well.
Drink less beer. :)

RiceMonster
November 5th, 2009, 02:41 PM
Drink less beer. :)

Does not compute

hellmet
November 5th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Do some jogging and jump rope at least 4 to 5 times a week. Also reduce your carbs intake... NO bread, tortillas, muffins, cakes and so on....... also smaller portions when eating. Do this and you should be in good shape. The first 2 weeks are going to be THE key but ones you see the results you will not stop. (believe me).

Good Luck,


Luis
I hate tortillas, and I cannot figure what to do with bread. My main carb intake is rice, and I'm learning to portion it. I'm trying to eat veggies before my meal so I eat less rice. The only gripe is that veggies are costlier than meat in America :(. Anyway, health doesn't have a price tag. Any oh my God! Lipo, not even in my wildest dreams.

sefs
November 5th, 2009, 03:32 PM
My body seems fit, and tight for the most part (Shoulder, Legs, Thighs), but its really bad and loose on the chest, and I have a fat belly. :lolflag:

Ideally, I'd like to lose all weight from my mid-section and add some muscle in that area.
I have access to my university gym, and I'd like to use a combination of regular exercises and weight-based exercises, too.

Do you guys have any suggestions on effective exercises for the abs, hips and uhm..butt?
I'd appreciate that.

Diet. Cut out the dairy, white bread and beer. Do simple basic movements like crunches or full situps, pushups, deadlifts and squats.

gn2
November 5th, 2009, 04:00 PM
Butter?

Yes, antarctic explorers like Ranulph Fiennes eat it in big lumps during their expeditions.

Hallvor
November 5th, 2009, 04:16 PM
My body seems fit, and tight for the most part (Shoulder, Legs, Thighs), but its really bad and loose on the chest, and I have a fat belly. :lolflag:

Ideally, I'd like to lose all weight from my mid-section and add some muscle in that area.
I have access to my university gym, and I'd like to use a combination of regular exercises and weight-based exercises, too.

Do you guys have any suggestions on effective exercises for the abs, hips and uhm..butt?
I'd appreciate that.

1. Have a healthy diet. Stay away from fat and sugar. Do not drink alcohol.
2. Eat every third hour! (Not a joke!)
3. Find a nice mix of cardio and strength training, like running three or four times a week. If you want to burn fat, run at low intensity and for minimum one hour. If you get exhausted, you are running too fast. You you should also continue to lift weights to keep muscle mass. Some sports are also great combinations of cardio and strength, for example muay thai.

MasterNetra
November 5th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Nah they won't, they'll give you wonderfully chiselled muscle below the existing fat. For fat loss/muscle shaping, use a heavy cardio regimen and a medium workout in your target area.
Crunches simply don't have the muscle movement or range to burn major calories. Cardio cardio cardio.

I bike 12 miles a day three days a week and I still have belly fat and have done this for two years mind you.

ratcheer
November 5th, 2009, 04:33 PM
My body seems fit, and tight for the most part (Shoulder, Legs, Thighs), but its really bad and loose on the chest, and I have a fat belly. :lolflag:

Ideally, I'd like to lose all weight from my mid-section and add some muscle in that area.
I have access to my university gym, and I'd like to use a combination of regular exercises and weight-based exercises, too.

Do you guys have any suggestions on effective exercises for the abs, hips and uhm..butt?
I'd appreciate that.

I was a bodybuilder for quite a few years when I was younger. I had the exact same questions. I tried everything suggested - sit-ups, crunches, all the usual stuff. I did them a lot, for a long time. Lots of pain, no gain.

Then, for entirely different reasons, I became dedicated to one of the most basic of all exercises - heavy dead lifts. To my great surprise, after a month or so I started noticing great improvements in my abs, along with pretty much everything else.

IMHO, heavy dead lifts are the king of all bodybuilding exercises. Heavy squats are #2.

Tim

handy
November 6th, 2009, 08:14 AM
I'm a fair bit older than the vast majority of you guys. So it is understandable that I have already been through much of what you talk about when it comes to physical exercise: The gym', running, cycling, enduro motorcycling, white water kayaking, being a farmer, tai kwon do; basically working hard & playing hard.

What I have learned is that decades later we find that due to this hard physical work/training, we have worn out our connective tissue to the point where we become far more prone to contracting certain inflammatory diseases, i.e. Arthritis due to the fact that inflammation attracts calcium to our joints with the worn out cartilage; we may (I did) get chronic tendinitis, & other diseases of this ilk.

These diseases often hide out, out of sight, & wait for many years before they spring their gorilla attacks on us.

So, knowing what I know now from experience, if I had my time over again, I would certainly NOT have pushed my body as hard as I did, to serve my addiction to fitness & the fun I could have with such a fit body.

It is just not worth it.

You may have to pay for that 10 or 20 years of fitness, with 30 or more years of constant pain of varying levels, usually increasing with age & increasing debility due to the infirmities that have been dramatically exacerbated due to the addiction to being exhilaratingly fit in our youth & early mid years.

From my observations, very few athletes escape this payment of constant physical discomfort in their later life.

For those that think it's ok, I'll just take anti-inflammatory drugs, or that such drugs will be better when I'm that old, all I can say is that in my country, the no.1. cause of death is kidney failure, & this is not from any other reason than the chronic use of prescription drugs to medicate chronic disease.

Exodist
November 6th, 2009, 09:25 AM
Nah they won't, they'll give you wonderfully chiselled muscle below the existing fat. For fat loss/muscle shaping, use a heavy cardio regimen and a medium workout in your target area.
Crunches simply don't have the muscle movement or range to burn major calories. Cardio cardio cardio.
I agree.

Start running 4 miles every morning. In 8 weeks youll have it gone.

gnomeuser
November 6th, 2009, 10:06 AM
There is no single exercise that will trim fat, you need cardio training to lose weight. Aside that I would recommend doing what my sister has been doing, eating right (using a system called eat for life which basically divides up the daily allowed calories into squares - once you reach the days alloted squares no more eating for you) and exercise 3 times a week. She has lost over 30 kilos the last year and is well on her way to losing the remaining 30 kilos she wants to rid herself off.

First realisation, there is no dieting, there are only life style changes. You do not do this for a year then go back to chowing down on fries and cheeseburgers, you keep doing it, day after day till you cease breathing. The good thing about the system she is using though is that it does not deny things like chips, those are just a cost benefit determination. If you really want them, have a little and take the cost from your alloted squares, it will mean less food or at least less calories for things that will make you full so choose wisely. This might sound bad but in reality allowances like that let you continue on the plan without feeling deprived and increases the likelihood of sticking to it long term.

Rambar
November 6th, 2009, 10:42 AM
Some general tips:

1. Dont skip any meal. Instead, eat the same amount of food but scatter it in several meals (like for example eating 6 times a day, but little each time).
2. Eat you veggies.
3. Practice sport regularly. To burn fat, you want to do aerobic (long term, continuous) exercise. Take, for example, running. You want to run for AT LEAST 30 mins nonstop to effectively begin burning body fat. Why? Because your body will start burning all sugars first and THEN start with fat. If you eat junk food, you'll burn sugars first and fat will stay with you.
4. No alcohol.
5. No resting and no giving up. And remember pain doesnt exist.

I've always thought practising sports and being active is more important than what you eat. About crunches, they ok if you want to develop muscles, although not for actually burning fat. If you're planning on getting a 6-pack I'd recommend you to work you whole body instead of focusing on your abs. Normally you already have enough muscle to show them up, but you have to uncover it.

ratcheer
November 6th, 2009, 03:19 PM
You may have to pay for that 10 or 20 years of fitness, with 30 or more years of constant pain of varying levels, usually increasing with age & increasing debility due to the infirmities that have been dramatically exacerbated due to the addiction to being exhilaratingly fit in our youth & early mid years.

From my observations, very few athletes escape this payment of constant physical discomfort in their later life.



This is true.

Tim

infestor
November 6th, 2009, 03:33 PM
1. Have a healthy diet. Stay away from fat and sugar. Do not drink alcohol.


what point is there left to live? :)

chucky chuckaluck
November 6th, 2009, 03:37 PM
I was a bodybuilder for quite a few years when I was younger. I had the exact same questions. I tried everything suggested - sit-ups, crunches, all the usual stuff. I did them a lot, for a long time. Lots of pain, no gain.

Then, for entirely different reasons, I became dedicated to one of the most basic of all exercises - heavy dead lifts. To my great surprise, after a month or so I started noticing great improvements in my abs, along with pretty much everything else.

IMHO, heavy dead lifts are the king of all bodybuilding exercises. Heavy squats are #2.

Tim

i used to obsessed with deadlifts. everything gets the benefit even if only peripherally involved. lately, i've become more obsessed with hill sprints and power cleans. the mobility involved in these exercises is something one just can't get from deads.

Paqman
November 6th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Sex change? Your fat deposits will shift from your belly to your thighs.

hellmet
November 6th, 2009, 06:32 PM
what point is there left to live? :smile:Lol.. Yea.. true.

And, nah. Nothing extreme. No 6 packs or 18 packs. I just want to be rid of fat. And maintain that. I'm no muscle builder.

gnomeuser
November 6th, 2009, 07:36 PM
what point is there left to live? :)

Think of all those extra hours of life you'll get to enjoy the music stylings of Kenny G and Rod Stewart or rewatch that epic masterpiece Gigli

northwestuntu
November 6th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Lol.. Yea.. true.

And, nah. Nothing extreme. No 6 packs or 18 packs. I just want to be rid of fat. And maintain that. I'm no muscle builder.

check out these forums

http://forum.bodybuilding.com

tons of info on there. head to the losing fat section. i have learned soooo much from this place.

hellmet
November 6th, 2009, 10:11 PM
check out these forums

http://forum.bodybuilding.com

tons of info on there. head to the losing fat section. i have learned soooo much from this place.
Thanks. Will check it out. :)

00ber n00b
November 6th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Lol.. Yea.. true.

And, nah. Nothing extreme. No 6 packs or 18 packs. I just want to be rid of fat. And maintain that. I'm no muscle builder.

Just because you lift weights doesn't mean you have to be a "muscle builder".

PhoHammer
November 6th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Nah they won't, they'll give you wonderfully chiselled muscle below the existing fat. For fat loss/muscle shaping, use a heavy cardio regimen and a medium workout in your target area.
Crunches simply don't have the muscle movement or range to burn major calories. Cardio cardio cardio.

Exactly.

ubuntuman001
November 6th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way, these forums might be one of the worst places to seek advice on this matter.

Yes, some of the posts here have a lot of truth behind them but you might have gotten a lot of mixed messages too (idk that's my impression from skimming over this thread).

If you want a purely health-based/workout-oriented forum try something like the Bodybuilding.com forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/ )

But yea in short, you have to respect a few rules, but you have to commit to them.

It's not all about diet and it's not all about exercise...both are required.

If you're especially worried about body fat...then increase cardio workouts (search for interval training on google...that seems to workout pretty well for a lot of people).

Make your diet high in protein and lower in carbs...but dont eliminate carbs that's ridiculous. It is better to have several small meals a day than 2 big ones. Portion control = very effective.

Eat breakfast every day because if you don't your body's metabolism for that day goes all screwey.

And get your z's at night...getting enough sleep is essential.

moster
November 7th, 2009, 12:00 AM
Lot of bull is floating over internet so I will cut shot for you.

Morning cardio on empty stomach. Ultimately 6 day a week, 3 day is good enough for start. Start with 20 min and raise to 1 hour. More often is better. If you cannot run, fast walk then run on intervals. Heart pulse is key here. For you keep between 112 - 130 bpm if you are around 30 years old. More is not better. If you do not wish to buy pulsmetre then you can do this. Try to speak, if cannot come to your breathe to speak you are pushing too much.

Do not go to sleep over midnight because some metabolism bull..

Cut down beer (not have to all), and everything with refined sugar. (soft drinks, cookies...) Eat only quality food like non fat meat(red and white), vegetables and little bread and rest of carbs. Spread that over 4-5 meals over day and do not go over 5 hours without meal in any case except sleeping. Animal fat is not alowed, buy olive oil instead plain oil for makin food if you can.

Measure your waist. If do not go down in 1 week you are eating too much.

Give it a go and I wish you luck :)

handy
November 7th, 2009, 12:56 AM
& don't forget that too much protein is bad for your kidneys...

& kidneys can't repair themselves.

cascade9
November 7th, 2009, 01:26 PM
I've heard that if you skip breakfast, your body freaks out and stores lots of extra fat, especially in that belly area. So make sure you're eating a bit for breakfast everyday.

Not quite, but it does slow down your metabolism.


Skipping breakfast has a similar effect to starving yourself. It slows down your metabolism because your body conserves energy and burns only what is absolutely necessary until fuel becomes available.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art841.asp

*site chosen at random*


Wow, never knew cheerios were only a sausage in NZ. Had to edit the wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerio) to add that. Good to know American's don't actually eat bowl fulls of sausages for breakfast.

Also australia-

http://alldownunder.com/oz-u/slang/food.htm


I'm a fair bit older than the vast majority of you guys. So it is understandable that I have already been through much of what you talk about when it comes to physical exercise: The gym', running, cycling, enduro motorcycling, white water kayaking, being a farmer, tai kwon do; basically working hard & playing hard.

What I have learned is that decades later we find that due to this hard physical work/training, we have worn out our connective tissue to the point where we become far more prone to contracting certain inflammatory diseases, i.e. Arthritis due to the fact that inflammation attracts calcium to our joints with the worn out cartilage; we may (I did) get chronic tendinitis, & other diseases of this ilk.

These diseases often hide out, out of sight, & wait for many years before they spring their gorilla attacks on us.

True, but this is also related to what you eat (IIRC a lot of acidic foods will 'attack' your colagen, etc.) and impact. One reason why I think that cycling and swimming are far better for your body, long term, than running and hitting things.

BTW handy, you have tried glucosamine, right? Its helped out with some of the minor niggles I get now and again. Chinese medicine might also be worth a look, while it is totally different to western medicine they are very clever. Mind you, there is the old joke that 'chinese medicine works because it tastes so bad that body cures itself to avoid a 2nd dose' LOL.

handy
November 7th, 2009, 01:46 PM
True, but this is also related to what you eat (IIRC a lot of acidic foods will 'attack' your colagen, etc.) and impact. One reason why I think that cycling and swimming are far better for your body, long term, than running and hitting things.

I was into good nutrition, did a semester at naturopathic college & got some good solid basics.



BTW handy, you have tried glucosamine, right? Its helped out with some of the minor niggles I get now and again.

Yep, gave it another go in the first half of this year. I didn't notice it making any changes for me.



Chinese medicine might also be worth a look, while it is totally different to western medicine they are very clever. Mind you, there is the old joke that 'chinese medicine works because it tastes so bad that body cures itself to avoid a 2nd dose' LOL.

I gave it a go a few years back, & I agree, the stuff that came out of the funny tea pot was putrid tasting. She was an excellent practitioner, but too far away & too expensive for me to continue with.

I begrudgingly accept the fact that we all wear out sooner or later.