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GreatSunJester
February 11th, 2006, 05:22 PM
My opinion only, but I think the idea has validity -- ignore or flame as needed.

Ubuntu needs a couple things to really make an impact on the marketplace.
1. Easy to use Graphical installer that will ask if you want to dual boot and which OS you want as primary.
2. Integrated support for 3D windows gaming as effective as possible without paying extra.

Now, before people complain about me I will offer some explanations.

When was the last time an office upgraded all their computers because a word-processor would run better? The last time a business bought all new machines to make a spreadsheet run faster? A database? Solitaire?
In short, businesses do not drive the market, they follow it - frequently at a distance, several generations back.

What applications yield the greatest advances (both real and projected) in computer hardware? What segment of computer users will, at times, upgrade at the drop of a hat? Gamers. What part of the computer society regularly writes their code to run best on hardware that barely exists? Game coders. Games drive advancement in the marketplace, inspiring writers to make more demanding games, and gamers to expect more from their hardware.

Optimally the major players in gaming would release native Linux clients for their games. Since we do not see this, it is up to the Linux community to prod them. Which brings me to point #1 above: The friendly installer, which I believe is being worked on. Computers ship with Windows for the most part, deal with it. Most gamers are stuck on the Windows platform because that is where the games are. Linux must be easy easy easy to install -- and REMOVE without a trace if needed. Most gamers have a short attention span when it comes to anything computer related that takes away from their game... installing an OS that will not play World of Warcraft, EverQuest 1 or 2 or Lineage will not be attractive and HOLD them.

Leading us to point #2 above: even with a small performance hit (assuming the hardware is semi-current), if gamers have the ability to boot to Linux, select a game and PLAY it, they probably will just to be "different" or worse yet "LEET". Once game manufacturers see any portion of their target market playing on Linux, they will start to release their games to run natively -- thus increasing performance. If a gamer sees the game he (or she) wants to play is fully playable on Linux, they will be more willing to try. Computer vendors will be more inclined to sell a machine with Linux preinstalled and say to the buyer, "see -- save the $100 MS charges with a new machine and buy more RAM, or a step up in CPU power."

Point #2 is the biggest fear of Microsoft. Slashdot, Digg, Reddit and other tech/rant sites may have blurbs that drift down the page about the newest release of OpenOffice (BTW - I wrote this in AbiWord), but can you imagine the posts if Blizzard released a Linux client for WoW? I could actually see mainstream news writing about it, this would be such a major change. Think of Dell releasing a Linux based system... just the performance gained by not having Norton installed to start with would be staggering and make the system that much more desirable.

The first step is up to the outsiders though, the Linux gamers and coders. Ubuntu is making such a usable distribution that it has the best chance of starting this change. One CD installation to a fully functional desktop is incredible, and can only get better. I look forward to more and more!

Derek Djons
February 11th, 2006, 05:40 PM
In short, businesses do not drive the market, they follow it - frequently at a distance, several generations back.

Do you have any idea how much money circulates through the Business Software Market??? Frickin' miljards more than the whole gaming scene!

Families who use a computer for general purpose totally don't invest in hardocre hardware. That's all rubbish you're writing about the industry being concentrated on gamers. The balance between normal computer users and gamers is very, I mean very big and it favors the normal computer users.

Furthermore the (slow) development of supporting games applications such as Cedega and drivers for hardware isn't only the fault of Linux / Open Source Developers. Again, do you have any idea how much videocard specs and drivers are Closed Source or not legimite to share because technology of 3rd party companies plays a role! Well, a lot!

We all (should) know Linux is not being made in order to compete with Windows on gaming. So the most pursuading arguement for gamers in the future would be: "Changing to Linux will make your hardware and software run just as fast BUT more stable and reliable. Money isn't the most important reason for a gamer to switch from OS.

Delvien
February 11th, 2006, 09:59 PM
Its a nice theory and if it were true, us consumers would not be shafted all the time. But alas, business does drive the market. As for the game industry releasing Linux based clients, it's a hopeful dream, and "ID" the makers of Doom, and Quake (quake4 is awesome in linux) already does such. All Linux users hope that companies will turn to the dark side :) Especially WoW, i would buy that game in an INSTANT ! I've been wanting to play it for a long time. ( Since the beta :( )

MetalMusicAddict
February 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM
I just buy games from companies that go the extra step to port them for Linux. The rest can do whatever. Wont get my money. When UT2007 comes out Ill build a new Ubuntu PC just for it.

Delvien
February 11th, 2006, 11:48 PM
I just buy games from companies that go the extra step to port them for Linux. The rest can do whatever. Wont get my money. When UT2007 comes out Ill build a new Ubuntu PC just for it.

Thats actually the right attitude to have.. , I agree fully !:twisted:

nalmeth
February 14th, 2006, 07:09 AM
If people donated as much to open source game-developers as they spent on closed games, it would make things quite interesting

BTW I like some of the things you said jester,
There is a graphical installer for ubuntu already, but I will say its not a beautiful one.
I don't want to pay extra to install games I've paid for either, so I just play games that run natively. I really like the idea of open source games
Also any jump start to manufacturers selling linux computers would be huge indeed!

renzokuken
February 14th, 2006, 07:49 AM
It's a fair point, although I think you'll find hardware development is driven alot more by high resource software such as Autocad, media editing suites (as used in industry, not the home user), stuff like that.

I have a few MS games succesfully installed on my Ubuntu box, but you know what, i cant stop playing Pingus and Tetravex and so rarely get round to a game of Enemy Territory or Half Life.

Why are the simple crappy games so addictive?

kakashi
February 14th, 2006, 08:50 AM
If people donated as much to open source game-developers as they spent on closed games, it would make things quite interesting

BTW I like some of the things you said jester,
There is a graphical installer for ubuntu already, but I will say its not a beautiful one.
I don't want to pay extra to install games I've paid for either, so I just play games that run natively. I really like the idea of open source games
Also any jump start to manufacturers selling linux computers would be huge indeed!
i think your forgetting world hunger and poverty as ppprimary donation targets rather than OPEN SOURCE.

as to the article yes a gui installer would be great but the rest of the idea is flawed.
games don't work on linux deal with it. if your a gamer (or your freind is) than the best advice you can have is to run ubuntu is a vmware player on top of windows ...what i am doing right now....know why cuz i didn't buy a $1000 computer to compile kernels on and geeeet head aches (though i enjoy the head aches as much as any geek). i bought it to play games.. and at max capability... i already have amid-rage gpu and i don't want its performance even lower than it is now.

see ya.
also remeber that while oopen source is great closed source and proppppreitry software feeds millions of computer engineers ( like me). if every body goes open source then remember this THERE WILL BE NO MORE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.....CUZ ALL SOFTWAAAARE MAKERS IS BE DEAD..

enjoy open source but don't try to be MS and take over tthe world