Please explain to me what is go endearing about Ubuntu.

[Kyoki]

My friend is insistent on keeping it on his computer as compared to Windows XP. From what I gather, Ubuntu has a lack of compatibility with a lot of mainstream programs, and of course, games. It can't play any of the games me and another friend play together.

I can understand this OS being used by someone who doesn't play games or anything, or even who doesn't do a lot on the internet, fine. Otherwise, it just seems like a huge hassle when Windows has compatibility with most things.

At this point, it seems like it's not worth the trouble.

in b4 flaming.

[mapes12]

Hi

I like use it because I don't have to pay any license fees and I don't have to install a zillion applications for protection against viruses, spyware and the like. And it starts within 60 seconds.

All my ancillary hardware works e.g. printer, scanner, Palm sync etc.

For gaming my son has one of those Wii consoles connected to the TV.

Best

Mark

[Kyoki]

So, would you say that Ubuntu is best for someone on a budget then?

[Kyoki]

On top of that, if you know what you're doing, when you get a new computer, you can get rid of all the extra stuff included with a new computer that runs on Windows.

Even if you format your hard drive and reinstall Windows, it doesn't necessarily come with a load of garbage like buying a new computer would. Even though it comes with some unnecessary programs, if you know what you're doing, you can easily remove them.

[YoungTechie]

Okay I don't actually use Ubuntu... But I do know that it's a more stable OS then Windows... I mean I'm accessing the internet right this moment from a Friggin bootdisk.... No way I could accomplish that in Windows without Hitting at least 50 Blue Screens of Death....I might actually create a Partition on this Disk So I can Tinker around with the OS abit....Seems super reliable..only thing is.. You can't have filesizes over 4gb... I know most decent games have files sizes easily 2 times this limit so that is where Windows Trump Card lies... but that's based on the file system..

[Kyoki]

Why would you want to run an OS from a disc for anything other than the novelty of it though? What purpose does it serve other than to have more space on your computer? Even then, an OS doesn't take up too much space.

[mapes12]

So, would you say that Ubuntu is best for someone on a budget then?Well it's definitely cheaper than having to buy yet another software license every time MS drop support for products and end up making you upgrade. And that could include new hardware. Ubu runs on my min spec machine just fine.

With the dawn of Windows 7 I'm just waiting for when they announce XP will no longer be supported. Just imagine how much that's going to cost corporations and personal users to upgrade $$$$$$$$$$

[norm7446]

When I first installed UBUNTU I can remeber a catch phrase of the time " It Just Work's ", which even today it still does and for FREE.

If you do have any prob's then you are already HOME....

[YoungTechie]

I'm running this OS from a Disk Because my HDD is unformatted....and WINDOWS Setup cannot even access it... somehow though ubuntu does....You seem to be on a mission to debunk Linux.... all I can say is don't knock it till you try it... each OS has it's own merits.:guitar:

[Kyoki]

That's not my issue really. Windows XP works fine for me, and I don't play the newer games on it. I just want support for some of the older ones like Age of Mythology, or even some MMO's. MMO's that play on a private server do support XP.

Also, I don't even update my Windows XP. It works fine with how it is, and with my current virus protection and firewall.

My friend isn't dumb with computers, so I know he can do this for himself too. So I don't understand why he hasn't already.

[Absolut Newbee]

- having a dual boot (ubuntu/vista) and yes vista is easier to use, for internet and gaming, but I end up going back ubuntu because it is faster and i can keep almost all my programs up-to-date using ubuntus central upgrading system.

- PS I also use ubuntu to play WOW (which it does much better then vista, faster and more fluent) and surf on the internet using firefox - no problemes there either

[scragar]

Okay I don't actually use Ubuntu... But I do know that it's a more stable OS then Windows... I mean I'm accessing the internet right this moment from a Friggin bootdisk.... No way I could accomplish that in Windows without Hitting at least 50 Blue Screens of Death....I might actually create a Partition on this Disk So I can Tinker around with the OS abit....Seems super reliable..only thing is.. You can't have filesizes over 4gb... I know most decent games have files sizes easily 2 times this limit so that is where Windows Trump Card lies... but that's based on the file system..

It's 16GB, not 4GB, and honestly you can change a few settings and increase this to over 1TB, so hitting that limit is completely rubbish.

And anyway, ubuntu will soon(if it hasn't already) move to EXT4 by default, which renders this whole argument useless.

Besides, ubuntu can read NTFS partitions, so this whole argument is so completely useless it's not worth arguing.


Personally I use linux(not ubuntu anymore, but I used to use ubuntu) for stability, I can leave my computer turned on for days at a time and return to find that everything is still running exactly as I left it, I can install updates knowing that should I get a powercut during the update I can fix the system in just a few short commands.
I also love the speed, honestly when you get used to how linux works you'll find yourself wondering how you ever put up with windows, on the same machine in linux I can boot in under 15 seconds, load a fully functional graphical environment, launch my RSS feed reader, my browser, IRC program, torrents and an email checker, and everything still runs smoothly. On the same machine running windows it takes around 30 seconds to boot(did I mention this machine is only a 800mhz single core athlon processor), when it does boot it takes another 10 seconds or so before I can actually do anything useful, and even then I have to run each program after the other has loaded, or the machine crashes or just runs so slow I'm unable to do anything at all.

[Liolikas]

Must read
http://listverse.com/2009/05/31/top-10-misconceptions-about-linux/
:lolflag:
I am bored to write same in not as good quality and 100% agree with that page contents.

[Kyoki]

I'm running this OS from a Disk Because my HDD is unformatted....and WINDOWS Setup cannot even access it... somehow though ubuntu does....You seem to be on a mission to debunk Linux.... all I can say is don't knock it till you try it... each OS has it's own merits.:guitar:
Debunk? No. I just want to understand why others would choose it over Windows for anything other than being on a budget. I hear people rant and rave about it like it's the best thing ever. Yet it's like Mac. Nothing is compatible with it. Sure, there are people who're willing to sacrifice compatibility for functionality when they are faced with no other choice, but he has choices.

[sideaway]

It's more than just novelty. Windows is good for games, and most people who love their games dual boot both operating systems.

I use Ubuntu because it's free, not free as in beer, but free as in, I can do whatever I wish with it! I enjoy tinkering with my OS and setting it up to exactly how I like it. Somethings aren't compatible out of the box such as IR remotes, but settings them up is such a rewarding feeling!

The ability of ubuntu to be modified and be so flexible to me, is invaluable. I have three computers, I like to keep the same music collection on all three. So i setup rsync and whenever I connect any of the three computers to a network that another one is on, they automatically check to see if any files have changed and update accordingly. To do that in windows would be much harder.

Once you've used Ubuntu, you'll find that not only is it stable and secure, you can also experiment and delve as deep into the workings and core of the OS itself. You can do many cool, helpful things with Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. There are a number of reasons to run an OS of a CD, the most obvious is to test/try it out, less obvious reasons are thin clients, web terminals that don't have HDD's and hence can't be modified and attacked as CD's are read only etc. I'm sure there are more :)

I suggest you give linux a shot, if it's not for you, so be it. Noone here is forcing you to stay :)

Also the community support here is above and beyond most company support, everyone's very friendly and willing to help.

Cheers, enjoy :)

[3rdalbum]

On top of that, if you know what you're doing, when you get a new computer, you can get rid of all the extra stuff included with a new computer that runs on Windows.

Even if you format your hard drive and reinstall Windows, it doesn't necessarily come with a load of garbage like buying a new computer would. Even though it comes with some unnecessary programs, if you know what you're doing, you can easily remove them.

Not everyone is good enough at computers to remove all the extra stuff.

What about software freedom? With Windows, there's no way of reporting problems to Microsoft except getting on a blog and bitching and hoping that someone at Microsoft sees it. Not only can't you examine the source code to determine if Windows is spying on you, or to find potential security problems, but you can't be assured that other people have done that work for you.

There is the belief that computer users should be free to look at the source code of software; the belief that they should be able to make modifications and redistribute freely. You don't get that with Windows.

Ubuntu is much quicker to install, set up, and install drivers and codecs from scratch. This is because most drivers are already built-in.

Ubuntu can be trimmed down into a server distribution or to run on limited hardware, to a much greater extent than Windows. You can virtualise as many copies of Ubuntu as necessary in order to safely test new software or provide support to others.

Ubuntu is easier to troubleshoot than Windows. If something goes wrong, Ubuntu maintains log files to help you track down the problem. Those log files are much more verbose than Windows' pathetic logging.

Software on Ubuntu can be discovered and installed so very quickly compared to Windows, and you can be assured that the software does not contain any malware and that it hasn't be tampered with in transit.

And, frankly, Ubuntu is easier to use overall.

Ubuntu is not just "best for someone on a budget". It's great for someone who has a lot of computers, or for a business where software licensing makes up a large portion of the IT budget. But really it's excellent for someone who DOESN'T know a lot about what they're doing on the computer. There are literally thousands of testimonials where Linux users have installed Linux for their computer-illiterate friends and they have taken to it like a duck to water, and prefer it to Windows. I have a friend who now uses Ubuntu and is very satisfied, and she knows very little about computers. She had a lot of trouble with Windows; trouble that I simply couldn't help her with because it was too far down in the system.

Ubuntu has a lack of compatibility with mainstream Windows programs, sure; but Windows has a lack of compatibility with mainstream Linux programs. OGMrip, Amarok, k3b, Cheese, Evolution, Tomboy, F-Spot, Compiz, k9Copy, ManDVD and Phoronix Test Suite are not available on Windows; when you've been using this software for years, it's the software you want to use.

In fact, Ubuntu can run a reasonable number of Windows programs through a compatibility layer; but Windows cannot run ANY of my Linux programs.

If you want to play games against your Linux-using friend, there are a lot of games available on both platforms.

And if you want to describe Ubuntu as "nothing is compatible with it", that's called "hypocrisy". Most Windows users use the same phrase to describe both Windows Vista, 64-bit Windows and Windows Server.

[Liolikas]

WINDOWS Setup cannot ...
So windows is bad, outdated. Simple. They fail to open something?
Or maybe electronic lock door is crap because it could not be opened with wooden key from Egypt museum? :lolflag:

[Kyoki]

It's 16GB, not 4GB, and honestly you can change a few settings and increase this to over 1TB, so hitting that limit is completely rubbish.

And anyway, ubuntu will soon(if it hasn't already) move to EXT4 by default, which renders this whole argument useless.

Besides, ubuntu can read NTFS partitions, so this whole argument is so completely useless it's not worth arguing.


Personally I use linux(not ubuntu anymore, but I used to use ubuntu) for stability, I can leave my computer turned on for days at a time and return to find that everything is still running exactly as I left it, I can install updates knowing that should I get a powercut during the update I can fix the system in just a few short commands.
I also love the speed, honestly when you get used to how linux works you'll find yourself wondering how you ever put up with windows, on the same machine in linux I can boot in under 15 seconds, load a fully functional graphical environment, launch my RSS feed reader, my browser, IRC program, torrents and an email checker, and everything still runs smoothly. On the same machine running windows it takes around 30 seconds to boot(did I mention this machine is only a 800mhz single core athlon processor), when it does boot it takes another 10 seconds or so before I can actually do anything useful, and even then I have to run each program after the other has loaded, or the machine crashes or just runs so slow I'm unable to do anything at all.
Is it really just that fast? My friend describes it as "fast as anything else".

If it's really that fast, hell; I'll consider using it! XP is fast for me, but if I can make something faster, and more customizable, then gladly.

[scragar]

Debunk? No. I just want to understand why others would choose it over Windows for anything other than being on a budget. I hear people rant and rave about it like it's the best thing ever. Yet it's like Mac. Nothing is compatible with it. Sure, there are people who're willing to sacrifice compatibility for functionality when they are faced with no other choice, but he has choices.

I'm not a huge gamer, and for what games I do play I use my consoles, so maybe I miss the point here, but I've never found anything that doesn't work on linux, or doesn't have a better version on linux, no putting up with nero, no updates leaving you waiting half an hour after choosing reboot before the machine reboots, no installing random executables you downloaded that have names that sound like drivers, hoping it's the right driver because windows won't tell you what the hardware is till you install a driver for it(Yeah, I know that makes no sense from a usability standpoint).
I avoid all that by using linux, and in exchange I get to be a part of a pretty fun community, I don't pay anything for my software, and when I file a bug report I can follow up on it and check something is happening(microsoft take months to fix even minor bugs, that is if they even bother to look at it).

[Spiffworks]

After six months on Linux, when I had to install Windows, and it asked for the product key, I knew I was never voluntarily going back to it again.

That's why I'm on Ubuntu now.

[scragar]

Is it really just that fast? My friend describes it as "fast as anything else".

If it's really that fast, hell; I'll consider using it! XP is fast for me, but if I can make something faster, and more customizable, then gladly.

I wouldn't say it's going to be faster on all machines, it just knows how to use old hardware better than windows does, it doesn't choke as easily when running on a slow CPU, or with little ram, and being built with multitasking at the very core(rather than XP where it's somewhat bolted on) means that when handling multiple tasks under tight constraints it can still handle the task at hand.

[sideaway]

Your first install probably won't be that fast, as you won't really kow what you're doing. Hell when I first used I just wanted all the flashy stuff like Compiz with wobbly windows and rotating cubes. And tbh, my 1.8ghz (laptop) celeron wasn't overly happy with me :P But it still managed! Which I'm quite suprised!

Now I run an Ubuntu derivative called Crunchbang Linux. It has a lightweight window manager and light weight applications and it's lightning fast. It is arguably harder to configure for a newbie however as most things are initially obvious and some configurations are only accessible via command line. However, it is very quick on remotely modern harware.

In other words you can make your Ubuntu as bloated or as slim as you like. My 1.8 celeron boots to crunch bang in just over 13 seconds. However, I have some heavier hitting applications and services on my desktop (e8400) and it takes just over 24 seconds. So even with the faster hardware, it's still slower, so basically whatever your ubuntu is like, is up to you :)

[3rdalbum]

You can't have filesizes over 4gb... I know most decent games have files sizes easily 2 times this limit so that is where Windows Trump Card lies... but that's based on the file system..

Wtx? The 4 gigabyte file size limit is due to fat32, the Windows filesystem. When you're working with files on Linux, the maximum filesize limit is very high - I've personally made 40 gigabyte files before now. Probably nowhere near the filesize limit.

You would want to run an operating system from a CD for evaluation purposes, or in an emergency if something went wrong. I've run Ubuntu from CD to remove a virus on someone's Windows machine; no program on Windows could delete it because the file was "in use".

[NoaHall]

Let's get one thing straight. You can't use WINDOWS applications, because LINUX is a different OS. That's like saying "My horse has four legs, and I can ride it. My cat also has 4 legs, so I must be able to ride it."

Linux is far more compatible with software other than its own than windows is. You can play several games through wine, and any important software you need can be used via Virtual Box.
There is also a huge list of applications that are for Linux, and are better than the Windows equivalent, and free!

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's wrong. It means you are.

[YoungTechie]

It's 16GB, not 4GB, and honestly you can change a few settings and increase this to over 1TB, so hitting that limit is completely rubbish.

And anyway, ubuntu will soon(if it hasn't already) move to EXT4 by default, which renders this whole argument useless.

Besides, ubuntu can read NTFS partitions, so this whole argument is so completely useless it's not worth arguing.


Personally I use linux(not ubuntu anymore, but I used to use ubuntu) for stability, I can leave my computer turned on for days at a time and return to find that everything is still running exactly as I left it, I can install updates knowing that should I get a powercut during the update I can fix the system in just a few short commands.
I also love the speed, honestly when you get used to how linux works you'll find yourself wondering how you ever put up with windows, on the same machine in linux I can boot in under 15 seconds, load a fully functional graphical environment, launch my RSS feed reader, my browser, IRC program, torrents and an email checker, and everything still runs smoothly. On the same machine running windows it takes around 30 seconds to boot(did I mention this machine is only a 800mhz single core athlon processor), when it does boot it takes another 10 seconds or so before I can actually do anything useful, and even then I have to run each program after the other has loaded, or the machine crashes or just runs so slow I'm unable to do anything at all.


I think you miss the intention of the post... I was not making an argument... I was under the assumption that 4gb file size was the limit in ext3 file systems....Perhaps I was misinformed but I was just trying to weigh pros and cons from my own personal experience... Your response came off as a flame to me.:twisted:

[NoaHall]

No, that's not a limit in ext3. That's a limit in Fat32. The worst filesystem in the world.

[Kyoki]

My computer is actually an old Dell Inspiron b130. 1.8GHz, 256 RAM. So, I'd say with how you're describing Ubuntu, I might consider trying it just to see what it's like. Perhaps dual-boot it.

[Liolikas]

it is so crazy when Linux users can use many advanced file systems,
and windows has 2 AND ONLY 2 file systems and one is so ancient that has 3.2 Gb file size limit. Wen it was developed NOONE dreamed about so huge files. :lolflag:

And windows fan like you come and write opposite to fact. So you deserve to be flamed. :D

fixed wrong nick...

[sideaway]

That would be the way to go. If you find it's a little slow you could try a smaller, lighter-weight distribution. But Ubuntu is perfectly capable on running on that hardware.

[3rdalbum]

And windows fan like you come and write opposite to fact. So you deserve to be flamed. :D

YoungTechie is not a Windows fan. Re-read their post.

[YoungTechie]

No, that's not a limit in ext3. That's a limit in Fat32. The worst filesystem in the world.

Ahhh I see...I read that somewhere today I guess I got the file systems mixed up.... honestly I was trying to appeal to Linux's worth...Guess I angered some people... My Bad.:lolflag:

[Kyoki]

Let's get one thing straight. You can't use WINDOWS applications, because LINUX is a different OS. That's like saying "My horse has four legs, and I can ride it. My cat also has 4 legs, so I must be able to ride it."

Linux is far more compatible with software other than its own than windows is. You can play several games through wine, and any important software you need can be used via Virtual Box.
There is also a huge list of applications that are for Linux, and are better than the Windows equivalent, and free!

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's wrong. It means you are.
Actually, I came in here to understand. Hence why I am asking questions. This is not meant to flame, or be derogatory towards Ubuntu users. It's meant to help me understand why Ubuntu is worth it. :)

Regardless of whether it can't run Windows applications or not, most programs are used with Windows. INCLUDING the games I play. On top of that, my friend has tried many, many times to use Wine with Ubuntu to play games. To no avail. From what I've seen, Wine is much too finicky and couldn't run the games I tried to play. They're not exactly mainstream games either like WoW.

[NoaHall]

You were trying to appeal its worth by saying it can't have files bigger than 4GB? Nice job.


@ OP

.. Ubuntu comes with a built in list of over a thousand applications, which can be downloaded by a simple click.

There are many more, that aren't there.

Take a look here ->

http://appnr.com/
http://happypenguin.org/
http://www.getdeb.net/
http://www.playdeb.net/welcome/

Now tell me there's no apps for Linux. :)

[3rdalbum]

My computer is actually an old Dell Inspiron b130. 1.8GHz, 256 RAM. So, I'd say with how you're describing Ubuntu, I might consider trying it just to see what it's like. Perhaps dual-boot it.

Just as long as you remember that it's a completely different operating system, nothing like Windows, and that a Windows user generally has to think outside the box in order to use Linux (Ubuntu is easy-to-use but does NOT do things the same way as Windows).

And just as long as you don't start trolling after trying it.

With 256mb of RAM you can't run the live CD as an evaluation, you'd need to use the "Install Ubuntu" option on the live CD's menu. Install some more RAM and you're really talking.

[Liolikas]

Ahhh I see...I read that somewhere today I guess I got the file systems mixed up.... honestly I was trying to appeal to Linux's worth...Guess I angered some people... My Bad.:lolflag:
Sry if you read my post last I just messed with nicks. You know in this thrad post appear faster than reading is possible.:popcorn:

[Kyoki]

Just as long as you remember that it's a completely different operating system, nothing like Windows, and that a Windows user generally has to think outside the box in order to use Linux (Ubuntu is easy-to-use but does NOT do things the same way as Windows).

And just as long as you don't start trolling after trying it.

With 256mb of RAM you can't run the live CD as an evaluation, you'd need to use the "Install Ubuntu" option on the live CD's menu. Install some more RAM and you're really talking.
I just might consider in some later months if I get bored. I'm extremely happy with XP after tweaking it a bit to make it run faster rather than prettier.

[sideaway]

I have a number of games runnning in wine, Counter-Strike: Source, Team Fortess 2, Diablo 2, Mechwarrior and Doom3 (this is a native game though)

[Kyoki]

We have tried getting Age of Mythology, and Phantasy Star Online (Schthack private server) to run on it, and to no avail. It just would not cooperate at all. How much work did it take to get your games running?

[3rdalbum]

Free And Open-Source Software > shareware

Free And Open-Source Software > trials/demos

Free And Open-Source Software > freeware with ads (Videora iPod Encoder, anyone?)

Free And Open-Source Software > getting charged with software piracy after a spot inspection of your business (I do know of this happening)

Documents in Free Specifications > losing access to historical documents and company records because they are in a proprietary file format. This can happen when your company switches to a different program, or the latest version of the program will no longer read old files, or when the program's maker goes bankrupt.

[NoaHall]

Look here ->
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2711&iTestingId=42053
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3092

[YoungTechie]

You were trying to appeal its worth by saying it can't have files bigger than 4GB? Nice job.


No.... I meant that that was my general intention. However I was misinformed. Don't be so overzealous in your attempts to defend your precious OS...Geez.

[Liolikas]

We have tried getting Age of Mythology, and Phantasy Star Online (Schthack private server) to run on it, and to no avail. It just would not cooperate at all. How much work did it take to get your games running?
Read what is on game box.

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/magweasel/gfw-0612.jpg
That blue text. And go ask that game devs. WHY?

[NoaHall]

It was a fair point, I wasn't being overzealous.

[forestpiskie]

moved to recurring

[Kyoki]

Wine claims to emulate Windows. Wouldn't that dictate that it can EMULATE WINDOWS and therefore be able to play Windows games in Wine?

What point are you making when you say games are for Windows when Wine claims to be a Windows emulator?

[NoaHall]

It's not emulator, it's a layer. It's a buggy layer, that can't truely work with the games, because Microsoft's code isn't open source.

[philinux]

http://appdb.winehq.org/index.php

Amazing what wine can do.

For games I use a PS3 on a 40 inch lcd. Miles better than pc gaming in my opinion.

[YoungTechie]

Okay Look for a gamer. A Hardcore one... such as myself.. You need Windows... plain and simple... You don't run Linux for games... you run it for all those other things you love to do yet windows likes to make them complicated and unreliable....So if gaming is a must... Then dual boot...Run Windows to play your games.. and you might actually be able to get rid of alot of crap on your windows partition to make it run alot smoother. But if your gonna browse the web or play video's download... upload... any other process..Linux is a way more efficient Os to do it in... So Tinker around with it if you like... It's interesting...And it seems your under the impression Linux is for Novice users. It can be simple... but I'd say for the advanced user it opens alot more doors.

[YoungTechie]

http://appdb.winehq.org/index.php

Amazing what wine can do.

For games I use a PS3 on a 40 inch lcd. Miles better than pc gaming in my opinion.

I'm sorry I have to Laugh at this..... PC Gaming is still light years ahead of console gaming. Just not as user friendly...Faster framerates, better graphics, and endless ways to organize with other players....Oh.. and Xbox360 is a better choice for the hardcore gamer....

[sideaway]

I had many many issues with Mechwarrior and CSS, but TF2, diblo 2 and doom 3 were all nearly OOTB. CSS had constant crashes and MW refused to launch any thing 3d. But with winetricks and a few tricks and tweaks I eventually managed to get both going, albeit with dodgy stability and sub par performance.

[philinux]

I'm sorry I have to Laugh at this..... PC Gaming is still light years ahead of console gaming. Just not as user friendly...Faster framerates, better graphics, and endless ways to organize with other players....Oh.. and Xbox360 is a better choice for the hardcore gamer....

I'm not a hard core gamer but just enjoy sitting in my lounge playing the odd game:P. Pc gamers spend a fortune on gear so I've heard. Then you will get better framerates etc etc.

[NoaHall]

So what if I spend a lot on it? You can have you nonsense with racing cars, and I can have my supercomputer. Hah

[automaton26]

As ever, dual-boot is a great compromise if you already have a Windows licence.

I keep Windows for flashing devices and playing games, and use Kubuntu for everything else. It has better security, stability, and lower memory requirements, tons of free software in the repositories, and requires less maintenance over time.

Most choices are rarely black or white - just use what you like and what works for you.

[FreewheelinFrank]

If you want to play games, get a PlayBox or XStation or whatever they're called.

[overdrank]

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in b4 flaming.

Actually, I came in here to understand. Hence why I am asking questions. This is not meant to flame, or be derogatory towards Ubuntu users. It's meant to help me understand why Ubuntu is worth it. :)



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