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amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Do you folks watch movies on Blu-ray? I have recently bought a 'fat' PS3. Did browsing, played few games, trying Ubuntu and saw few movies on DVD. Haven't tried a movie on Blu-ray yet (No dough for Blu-ray titles left :()!

So how has been your experience? What is your config.? Unfortunately my Onkyo receiver doesn't have a HDMI input. So I am using optical wire for audio and HDMI for video on my 32" LCD TV.

BTW this there are some nice articles (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10316079-1.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.1) on cnet (on Blu-ray & ps3) today.

KiwiNZ
September 17th, 2009, 07:12 AM
Depends on the movie. My experience has been some movies have not really been worth the extra cost . Others have been awesome.

I have a 58" 1080p Plasma screen so get the full benefit of Blu ray. One of the Best movies is Casino Royale. Serenity looks great in as does Transformers. I am looking forward to Star Trek in Blu ray.

I have just purchased Band of Brothers but have not viewed it yet.

But remember its not just the picture, its the sound , with a 7.1 Dolby system , the sound is stunning.

Giant Speck
September 17th, 2009, 07:38 AM
I don't really watch movies at all, or television. :/

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 07:47 AM
But remember its not just the picture, its the sound , with a 7.1 Dolby system , the sound is stunning.

Which AV receiver you have? How are you taking out the sound from console?

lisati
September 17th, 2009, 07:49 AM
My budget doesn't currently allow me to purchase the gear (suitable player or TV) let alone the movies.

And many of the people I record stuff for (4 video cameras!) are still getting used to DVDs; some of them even refer to them as CDs!!!?!

I recently blew the dust off one of my VCRs because a family member wanted a VHS tape transferred to DVD.


Edit: BTW, our sound system is geared to 5.1 sound, haven't even upgraded that for a while!

KiwiNZ
September 17th, 2009, 08:31 AM
Which AV receiver you have? How are you taking out the sound from console?

I use a Blu ray player in the lounge . Panasonic player using HDMI to a Pioneer VSX1018AHK receiver.

I have a PS3 in the Bedroom connected to a 32" using HDMI using just the TV sound.

But to be honest my wife is the Guru for this stuff

ChrT
September 17th, 2009, 08:32 AM
Why would I pay hundreds of euros for a decent television+player set when I can just as easily watch 1080p movies on my PC, comfortably looking at a 24" screen from 1 metre away, for free, without bothering with an optical storage format that was obsolete before it was released?

Artificial Intelligence
September 17th, 2009, 08:38 AM
Why would I pay hundreds of euros for a decent television+player set when I can just as easily watch 1080p movies on my PC, comfortably looking at a 24" screen from 1 metre away, for free, without bothering with an optical storage format that was obsolete before it was released?

Perhaps together with family or friends in something comfortably?

gn2
September 17th, 2009, 09:03 AM
Can't see the attraction really.
It's still the same story and acting, it's not as if you're buying a better film.
I really dislike surround sound and am quite satisfied with standard DVD video quality, so I will not be getting a BluRay device anytime soon.

Grenage
September 17th, 2009, 09:08 AM
I love high high def, it makes movies look so much better. I cringe for the first few seconds of a DVD or DVD rip. I buy what I watch, but I have HD (where available) rips for convenience; my ubuntu install is my media player.

That said, I'm really not thrilled with proprietary formats, and the pricing is idiotic.

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Why would I pay hundreds of euros for a decent television+player set when I can just as easily watch 1080p movies on my PC

Metaphorically; the same reason you go outside to have dinner...

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 09:29 AM
the pricing is idiotic.

That thing has 8 core Broadband processor, Blu-ray drive, nVidia card, Six axis-dualshock wireless controller, wifi, browser, can play games at 1080p and costs $299; which should be almost equivalent to a price of a high end quad core processor. So indeed pricing is idiotic ;).

Clarke
September 17th, 2009, 09:30 AM
I watch BluRay movies using PS3 too and it is definitely better than DVD's. You can also download HDrips - the quality of them is similar to BluRay.

Grenage
September 17th, 2009, 09:44 AM
So indeed pricing is idiotic

Sorry, I was referring to the disks :) Sony don't have to pay out the uber Blueray licence fees, so they are getting an edge.

handy
September 17th, 2009, 10:27 AM
This article is well worth the time spent to read it. It gives an in depth (enough for most of us) understanding of Digital Rights Management (DRM) & Linux; BlueRay is certainly well investigated in the article:

http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-Digital-Rights-Management-DRM--/features/114008

koshatnik
September 17th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Do you folks watch movies on Blu-ray? I have recently bought a 'fat' PS3. Did browsing, played few games, trying Ubuntu and saw few movies on DVD. Haven't tried a movie on Blu-ray yet (No dough for Blu-ray titles left :()!

So how has been your experience? What is your config.? Unfortunately my Onkyo receiver doesn't have a HDMI input. So I am using optical wire for audio and HDMI for video on my 32" LCD TV.

BTW this there are some nice articles (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10316079-1.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.1) on cnet (on Blu-ray & ps3) today.

Optical media is dead. Don't know why people are persisting with it.

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 01:37 PM
Optical media is dead. Don't know why people are persisting with it.

Are you serious?

KegHead
September 17th, 2009, 01:38 PM
i'm stuck in the 20th century.

keghead

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Optical media is dead. Don't know why people are persisting with it.

you're cute.

i use my ps3 exclusively, but before i buy i always check hi-def digest and a couple of other sources to see how good the quality of the release is whether it's new or a transfer. just because it's on blu-ray doesn't mean it was done right.

audio obviously will only be as good as your system will allow and i hear many people say "oh my god the sound is 10x better". um, no it's not. it's like comparing a 320kbps mp3 to a FLAC copy - good luck.

gn2
September 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Are you serious?

I reckon so, and I agree.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Are you serious?

he loves 480 p. leave him be.

b3n87
September 17th, 2009, 01:45 PM
I have a PS3 and a 32" LCD Sony 1080p telly which is nice. I bought Watchmen on Bluray and loved it, the sound is lacking though so Im hoping to buy a new 5.1 sound system (Sony again).

Is anyone here familiar with Dolby, and Dolby True, and Doly MDA blah blah, and something called LPCM which is uncompressed audio apparantly :-s

The system Im looking at is this: http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-cinema-surround-kit/ht-is100

Does anyone have a PS3 set up, with the audio system running in LPCM "mode", if that even makes sense?

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 01:55 PM
he loves 480 p. leave him be.

So long as you don't mind the NEVAR ending stream of DRM updates, which b0rks your movies until your player calls home to Sony to ask for permission for you to play the movies which you paid good money for, on the player that you bought, knock yourself out.



I find BluRay abhorrent.

I bought the damn disc and the damn drive, I should have the right to play it on my 2287i HD toaster if I so choose.

PS-Besides, Sony has a LONG history of championing DRM tech formats, and it is just that which causes those formats to die a quick and remarkable death.

RiceMonster
September 17th, 2009, 01:58 PM
I don't own a bluray player, so I don't. I don't see myself buying one soon either. I don't watch enough movies to front the cash.

Joshua Lückers
September 17th, 2009, 02:00 PM
I recently received my first Blu-Ray movie as a gift from my girlfriend. The Dark Knight 2-disc special edition.
Only way for me to watch it is booting into Windows Seven and play it with PowerDVD. I really can't wait till Blu-Ray has full support under Linux (I don't mind paying for it).

I really love the quality of Blu-Ray movies! Watching movies in Blu-Ray makes it so more special! I love it! <3

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:18 PM
I really can't wait till Blu-Ray has full support under Linux (I don't mind paying for it).


Hate to break it to you, but that is never going to happen. You're better off using your gift as a cup coaster.

koshatnik
September 17th, 2009, 02:23 PM
Blu Ray is the last rasping fart of a death rattle of the media industry trying to squeeze the last bit of profit out of an old, outdated technology. They can control the sale of stupid plastic disks, but they can't control the internet in terms of a method of distribution, so they "invent" yet another idiotic, outdated distribution medium. Blu Ray has nothing to do with more quality images, but control of distribution and customer choice.

If media companies had brains, they'd have invested in online high definition services 5 years ago and would be reaping the bnefits now.

I find it laughable that so called high tech companies like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo rely on disks to sell their products. INTERNET, PEOPLE, INTERNET.

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Blu Ray is the last rasping fart of a death rattle of the media industry trying to squeeze the last bit of profit out of an old, outdated technology. They can control the sale of stupid plastic disks, but they can't control the internet in terms of a method of distribution, so they "invent" yet another idiotic, outdated distribution medium. Blu Ray has nothing to do with more quality images, but control of distribution and customer choice.

If media companies had brains, they'd have invested in online high definition services 5 years ago and would be reaping the bnefits now.

I find it laughable that so called high tech companies like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo rely on disks to sell their products. INTERNET, PEOPLE, INTERNET.

That way, when your ISP goes down, you can't even watch a movie :)

Grenage
September 17th, 2009, 02:27 PM
Optical media is dead. Don't know why people are persisting with it.

I agree, but until there is a low-cost, mass producible alternative, we are stuck with it.


I bought the damn disc and the damn drive, I should have the right to play it on my 2287i HD toaster if I so choose.

Absolutely, unfortunately the masses don't care, so nothing will change. It would only take one year of the majority saying "no thanks, I don't like those terms" for the industry to back down; unfortunately that won't happen. I'd like to call the general masses idiots, but in reality they have other priorities, and life is too short.

The media is great, the licence is terrible.

RiceMonster
September 17th, 2009, 02:28 PM
INTERNET, PEOPLE, INTERNET.

What the f*ck is the internet?

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:32 PM
What the f*ck is the internet?

It's a system of tubes.

koshatnik
September 17th, 2009, 02:34 PM
That way, when your ISP goes down, you can't even watch a movie :)

"If media companies had brains, they'd have invested in online high definition services 5 years ago and would be reaping the bnefits now."


What the f*ck is the internet?

God told me it was real.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 02:40 PM
"If media companies had brains, they'd have invested in online high definition services 5 years ago and would be reaping the bnefits now."





that didn't address what he was referring to. i'm a netflix subscriber and have used it to watch "DVD quality" streaming on my laptops, desktop, and xbox 360 and sorry, they're not quite 480p quality (and i have Verizon FIOS so it's not my connection). so to do that for 1080p? lol ok.

Joshua Lückers
September 17th, 2009, 02:41 PM
Hate to break it to you, but that is never going to happen. You're better off using your gift as a cup coaster.

Never say never, there is already a project out there who gives you the ability to play Blu-Ray's (but it doesn't work for the Blu-Ray I have).

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Never say never, there is already a project out there who gives you the ability to play Blu-Ray's (but it doesn't work for the Blu-Ray I have).

Um you haven't been keeping up on it.

They cracked BluRay years ago, and days later Sony changed the encryption. As a matter of fact, Sony has altered the BluRay encryption at least 7 times-and will continue to do so. Sony only wants Windows/Mac users watching their discs on computers.

There will NEVER be a payware or freeware BluRay player for Linux.

gn2
September 17th, 2009, 02:47 PM
That way, when your ISP goes down, you can't even watch a movie :)

How many times has you connection been broken?
Since I have had internet access mine has been down just once for roughly 18 hours.

handy
September 17th, 2009, 02:48 PM
I'll post this link again, as it seems like next to nobody knows about what it states, people obviously don't read anything but the last post here it would seem (sometimes).

http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-Digital-Rights-Management-DRM--/features/114008

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:49 PM
How many times has you connection been broken?
Since I have had internet access mine has been down just once for roughly 18 hours.

Usually several times a month. I'm on a 3megabit DSL.

The ONLY ISPs out here are either what I have (which sucks) or Time-Warner. So naturally I take the former sucky option.

sim-value
September 17th, 2009, 02:50 PM
I think the P*** industrie will give Blue-Ray a Huge Push ...

No seriously i didnt Bother putting a Blue-Ray drive in my PC (cause i couldnt afford) and my Parents dont really spend Money on Electronic Equipment so no Blue-Ray in the Living room either :P


How many times has you connection been broken?
Since I have had internet access mine has been down just once for roughly 18 hours.
My Bauern-Internet brakes down every day ...
(bauer not as in Farmer but as in this : http://bauer.urbanup.com/3830085 definiton)

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 02:52 PM
I'll post this link again, as it seems like next to nobody knows about what it states, people obviously don't read anything but the last post here it would seem (sometimes).

http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-Digital-Rights-Management-DRM--/features/114008

Yep, it is even neat, informative, and well written/researched...and people skip reading it. Their loss.

koshatnik
September 17th, 2009, 02:57 PM
that didn't address what he was referring to. i'm a netflix subscriber and have used it to watch "DVD quality" streaming on my laptops, desktop, and xbox 360 and sorry, they're not quite 480p quality (and i have Verizon FIOS so it's not my connection). so to do that for 1080p? lol ok.

Yeah, if you live in Japan or Korea, because oh wait! they invested in infrastructure years ago. MY BRAIN ACHES!

Also, I've been a broadband user for 4 years now... its gone down once in 4 years and that was for about 4 or 5 hours. I don't see what the problem is... "OMG! I cant watch my crappy Hollywood films for the first time in 4 years! WHAT WILL I DO??? Oh wait, its back up. Disaster averted."

Invest to progress. Media companies just invest in the wrong things.

unisol
September 17th, 2009, 02:59 PM
no, my dvd player supports up-convert, movies look great on my 47" vizio lcd. besides, i dont fell like starting another collection.

BrokenKingpin
September 17th, 2009, 04:12 PM
I don't have a Blu-ray player, and don't plan on getting one anytime soon. I stream videos off of my server with my Xbox 360, or just watch normal DVDs on my 360. The better quality with blu-ray just isn't worth the cost for me right now.

Bachstelze
September 17th, 2009, 04:16 PM
Yeah, on my computer though. :p I don't have the money nor the room for a gigantic Home Cinema thing, and I don't think I would buy one if I could anyway. "Home Cinema" always seemed like an oxymoron to me. If I want to get the real thing, I just go to a theater.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Yeah, if you live in Japan or Korea, because oh wait! they invested in infrastructure years ago. MY BRAIN ACHES!

Also, I've been a broadband user for 4 years now... its gone down once in 4 years and that was for about 4 or 5 hours. I don't see what the problem is... "OMG! I cant watch my crappy Hollywood films for the first time in 4 years! WHAT WILL I DO??? Oh wait, its back up. Disaster averted."

Invest to progress. Media companies just invest in the wrong things.

our infrastructure sucks. i know this. so why shun blu-ray hoping it's going to get better

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Yeah, on my computer though. :p I don't have the money nor the room for a gigantic Home Cinema thing, and I don't think I would buy one if I could anyway. "Home Cinema" always seemed like an oxymoron to me. If I want to get the real thing, I just go to a theater.

just go to a theater? lol

Arthur_D
September 17th, 2009, 05:25 PM
I'll post this link again, as it seems like next to nobody knows about what it states, people obviously don't read anything but the last post here it would seem (sometimes).

http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-a...eatures/114008 (http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-Digital-Rights-Management-DRM--/features/114008)I've read through some of the article (the interesting bits, about Blu-Ray) and I really advice you all to take a look at this comment as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-You-dont-get-it-Author-of-the-article-is-missing-the-main-point-I-think/forum-113210/msg-14370471/read/

It's quite insightful, IMHO.

Bachstelze
September 17th, 2009, 05:33 PM
I've read through some of the article (the interesting bits, about Blu-Ray) and I really advice you all to take a look at this comment as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-You-dont-get-it-Author-of-the-article-is-missing-the-main-point-I-think/forum-113210/msg-14370471/read/

It's quite insightful, IMHO.

That made me lol


It's cheaper, faster, and you end up with a higher quality
product if you pirate it then if you go down to the store and pay for it.

The movies you'll find on TPB are obviously rips of actual disks that someone got, by buing it from a store or otherwise, it doesn't matter. How on earth could they be of higher quality than the source from which they were ripped?

Otherwise a very good summary.

Arthur_D
September 17th, 2009, 05:35 PM
The movies you'll find on TPB are obviously rips of actual disks that someone got, by buing it from a store or otherwise, it doesn't matter. How on earth could they be of higher qualoity than the source from which it was ripped?

Otherwise a very good summary.
Agreed. He seemed very sensible down to that comment... I don't know what he was thinking. :lolflag:

Grenage
September 17th, 2009, 05:36 PM
It's quite insightful, IMHO.

I could never have hoped to put it so eloquently.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 06:03 PM
lol higher quality than the source. rofl.

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 06:14 PM
I have a PS3 and a 32" LCD Sony 1080p telly which is nice. I bought Watchmen on Bluray and loved it, the sound is lacking though so Im hoping to buy a new 5.1 sound system (Sony again).

Is anyone here familiar with Dolby, and Dolby True, and Doly MDA blah blah, and something called LPCM which is uncompressed audio apparantly :-s

The system Im looking at is this: http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-cinema-surround-kit/ht-is100

Does anyone have a PS3 set up, with the audio system running in LPCM "mode", if that even makes sense?

I don't have a LPCM receiver and I use optical connector for my 5.1 channel receiver. A device compatible with LPCM 7.1 ch. is required to output 7.1 ch. audio from the HDMI OUT connector of PS3. From receiver's HDMI out you need another HDMI wire to your TV (i.e. your LPCM receiver ideally will have two HDMI ports one for input one for output).

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 06:20 PM
lol higher quality than the source. rofl.

Why are you ROFLing?


If you have the data ripped onto an HDD it IS higher quality than you'd get on a home theatre BD player. Period.

In a home theater you have to go through gawd knows how many decrypts (live), digital-analog-digital conversions...and of course HDMI does not support error correction-once data is lost in transmission to the monitor, it is gone.

SunnyRabbiera
September 17th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Screw Blu ray, DRMed piece of junk

blur xc
September 17th, 2009, 06:33 PM
So long as you don't mind the NEVAR ending stream of DRM updates, which b0rks your movies until your player calls home to Sony to ask for permission for you to play the movies which you paid good money for, on the player that you bought, knock yourself out.

I watch blue ray and love it, on our 50" 1080p plasma... though, with the amount of heat that tv pumps out, I'm afraid to know how much $$ it costs to run per hour on our electric bill...

And I don't know what you are talking about. We've had our blue ray player for about a year now, and it's never been connected to the internet, and it's not yet had one firmware upgrade, AND it's played every blue ray we've bought (and we've bought plenty) w/o ever having a problem. It's a but quirky, some disks don't let you press the "disk menu" button, but you can still skip through the previews...

Also, I've been noticing an increasing trend for a lot of movies to come w/ three disks in the case- the DVD, blue ray disk, and digital copy. I call that convenience! So- I watch the Blue Ray on the tv, rip the DVD to the computer, and do nothing w/ the digital copy... :P

And personally, I'd rather have disks than internet based streaming video. I like physical copies. I prefer buying cd's and ripping them, rather than buying them online like through itunes, etc...

BM

amitabhishek
September 17th, 2009, 06:48 PM
I watch blue ray and love it, on our 50" 1080p plasma... though, with the amount of heat that tv pumps out, I'm afraid to know how much $$ it costs to run per hour on our electric bill...

And I don't know what you are talking about. We've had our blue ray player for about a year now, and it's never been connected to the internet, and it's not yet had one firmware upgrade, AND it's played every blue ray we've bought (and we've bought plenty) w/o ever having a problem. It's a but quirky, some disks don't let you press the "disk menu" button, but you can still skip through the previews...

Also, I've been noticing an increasing trend for a lot of movies to come w/ three disks in the case- the DVD, blue ray disk, and digital copy. I call that convenience! So- I watch the Blue Ray on the tv, rip the DVD to the computer, and do nothing w/ the digital copy... :P

And personally, I'd rather have disks than internet based streaming video. I like physical copies. I prefer buying cd's and ripping them, rather than buying them online like through itunes, etc...

BM

+1

As such not long back world it was HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray dog fight!!!

I am an ardent supporter of open technologies but somehow having open technology razzmatazz in media business will add to lots of confusion. 100s of different standards & 1000s of codecs it will be an utter chaos IMO.

Jackelope
September 17th, 2009, 06:54 PM
All the blue-ray on earth won't save hollywood from unimaginative scripts and poor dialogue. i can't imagine the 200 f-bombs in district 9 sound any better in 7.1 surround, even if the picture is amazing. <<my $0.02

Arthur_D
September 17th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Disney have withdrawn a lot of their 'Platinum Edition' classics, because they will be re-released on Blu-Ray.
Hellooo? In the years the movies will get more and more forgotten, and when they finally are re-released, the total sales would not be as high as it would be if they kept the DVD editions 'till the actual re-release!

Stupid commercialists.... :x

KiwiNZ
September 17th, 2009, 07:24 PM
just go to a theater? lol

I am in a wheelchair . It is a pain in the gluteus maximus to go a theatre . The dammed steps. The aisles are too narrow and wouldn't you know as soon as the feature starts my bladder knows it to.

Even the Gold lounges with the recliners are a pain.

So I have my own home theatre and its awesome. Yeah yeah DRM this commercialization that blah blah blah... blu -Ray picture quality and sound quality is bloody worth it ....period

Johnsie
September 17th, 2009, 07:31 PM
I ony buy DVD's when they are dirt cheap or reduced... I don't see the point in forking out £13 for a movie that I only watched recently.

If I want to spend money watching a film I will go to the cinema and get the experience of watching it on the big screen with friends. The cinema near me has a nice VIP screen with comfy armchairs. No, I don't get to keep the film, but I dont enjoy watching the same film several times.

The internet is also fine for my movie watching needs. I have PPStream and have hooked up a PC to the TV. I'm not that fussed about the quality, as long as it's watchable and the storyline is ok I'm happy. I have better things to spend my money on than junk I hardly ever use.

Bachstelze
September 17th, 2009, 07:36 PM
All the blue-ray on earth won't save hollywood from unimaginative scripts and poor dialogue. i can't imagine the 200 f-bombs in district 9 sound any better in 7.1 surround, even if the picture is amazing. <<my $0.02

Of course if the movie sucks, you don't buy it. That has nothing to do with Blu-ray.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 08:41 PM
I am in a wheelchair . It is a pain in the gluteus maximus to go a theatre . The dammed steps. The aisles are too narrow and wouldn't you know as soon as the feature starts my bladder knows it to.

Even the Gold lounges with the recliners are a pain.

So I have my own home theatre and its awesome. Yeah yeah DRM this commercialization that blah blah blah... blu -Ray picture quality and sound quality is bloody worth it ....period

exactly, and you don't have to deal with things you have no control of: people yapping on cell phones, talking through quiet scenes, yadda yadda. it's not worth the aggravation. plus, HT and Home Audio are great hobbies.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 08:42 PM
I have better things to spend my money on than junk I hardly ever use.

goes both ways.

Groucho Marxist
September 17th, 2009, 08:45 PM
Do you folks watch movies on Blu-ray? I have recently bought a 'fat' PS3. Did browsing, played few games, trying Ubuntu and saw few movies on DVD. Haven't tried a movie on Blu-ray yet (No dough for Blu-ray titles left :()!

So how has been your experience? What is your config.? Unfortunately my Onkyo receiver doesn't have a HDMI input. So I am using optical wire for audio and HDMI for video on my 32" LCD TV.

BTW this there are some nice articles (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10316079-1.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.1) on cnet (on Blu-ray & ps3) today.

Ironically, I wrote a paper on the future of Blu-ray during a summer class of mine; frankly, the extra clarity in imagery is fine in the here and now, but optical-disc based technologies are limited by the very nature of the medium. The future lies with hard-drive based media and the nigh infinite storage capabilities of drives and home servers.

gtr32
September 17th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Why are you ROFLing?

Just a wild guess...because what you say is ridiculous?



If you have the data ripped onto an HDD it IS higher quality than you'd get on a home theatre BD player. Period.

Seriously?


In a home theater you have to go through gawd knows how many decrypts (live), digital-analog-digital conversions...and of course HDMI does not support error correction-once data is lost in transmission to the monitor, it is gone.

How would it be any different going from your HD to your monitor through a computer? If anything there are more things that could reduce the quality of a rip than there are playing from the original source.

doas777
September 17th, 2009, 08:52 PM
no.

DRM is bad. I won't use BD until BD+ is permanently broken.

pwnst*r
September 17th, 2009, 08:58 PM
Why are you ROFLing?


If you have the data ripped onto an HDD it IS higher quality than you'd get on a home theatre BD player. Period.

In a home theater you have to go through gawd knows how many decrypts (live), digital-analog-digital conversions...and of course HDMI does not support error correction-once data is lost in transmission to the monitor, it is gone.

you are incredibly clueless on this.

KiwiNZ
September 17th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Ironically, I wrote a paper on the future of Blu-ray during a summer class of mine; frankly, the extra clarity in imagery is fine in the here and now, but optical-disc based technologies are limited by the very nature of the medium. The future lies with hard-drive based media and the nigh infinite storage capabilities of drives and home servers.

Right up until the disk goes "phut"

And there goes Gigabytes of data and Gigabytes of bandwidth

At least if one Blu ray disc goes the way of the Dodo its only one disc not an entire library

And who is going to fork out for onsite Back up array and offsite back up for gigabytes of stored movies . Some will , most wont. And the tears of anguish will be deafening.

handy
September 17th, 2009, 09:47 PM
I use a FreeNAS system to backup my data, which is mostly movies, due to their size & number.

I don't have to have the No.2. machine running all of the time, & it has drive drawers, so I just slip in the 2 drawers which boot & store respectively, start up No.2., copy across whatever needs backing up, then shut the No.2. FreeNAS system down & remove the drives.

For the low cost of large drives these days & the necessity to back up hard/impossible to replace data, I think FreeNAS is a beautiful solution.

lisati
September 17th, 2009, 09:53 PM
Right up until the disk goes "phut"

And there goes Gigabytes of data and Gigabytes of bandwidth


Good point. I have an external HDD that has gone not "phut" but "click click click", and is effectively unusable at the moment. Accidentally knocking onto the floor from about chair height some time ago probably didn't help. I don't think anything super-critical is stored on it.

Giant Speck
September 17th, 2009, 10:05 PM
I don't think anything super-critical is stored on it.

Or at least you hope there isn't. ;)

handy
September 17th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I've read through some of the article (the interesting bits, about Blu-Ray) and I really advice you all to take a look at this comment as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/forum/S-You-dont-get-it-Author-of-the-article-is-missing-the-main-point-I-think/forum-113210/msg-14370471/read/

It's quite insightful, IMHO.


That made me lol



The movies you'll find on TPB are obviously rips of actual disks that someone got, by buing it from a store or otherwise, it doesn't matter. How on earth could they be of higher quality than the source from which they were ripped?

Otherwise a very good summary.

The "higher quality" statement wasn't really defined in the comment.

Perhaps the person that wrote that comment on the very informative DRM article was meaning that the ripped BlueRay (or DVD for that matter) movies, were free from the extraneous files that we have to sit through that advertise this, warn of the FBI (or whoever) penalties, state the illegality of copying the movie in 40 different languages, & on it goes...

I consider a movie free of that stuff to be of higher quality, even if the video content was obviously more grainy.

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 10:22 PM
you are incredibly clueless on this.

That right there is a persuasive argument. Good Job.

Grenage
September 17th, 2009, 10:26 PM
So the bottom line is "how much do you care about the DRM?", and that's a personal thing. I personally see it as horrible, and I'll vote with my wallet; that's all any of us can really do.

KiwiNZ
September 17th, 2009, 10:39 PM
So the bottom line is "how much do you care about the DRM?", and that's a personal thing. I personally see it as horrible, and I'll vote with my wallet; that's all any of us can really do.

DRM is one of life's rules , like what side of the road to drive on , and how much tax to pay. I just live with it and get on with my life .

Skripka
September 17th, 2009, 10:55 PM
DRM is one of life's rules , like what side of the road to drive on , and how much tax to pay. I just live with it and get on with my life .

It is less like which side of the road to drive on, than say Toyota EULAing you into ONLY being allowed to drive on prime numbered state/national highways.

MikeTheC
September 17th, 2009, 10:57 PM
I don't watch TV.

Therefore, I do not own an HDTV.

Consequentially, there's little purpose for me to own a Bluray player.

As a result, I do not watch movies on Bluray.

Bachstelze
September 17th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Therefore, I do not own an HDTV.

Consequentially, there's little purpose for me to own a Bluray player.

Breaking news: there are Blu-ray players for computers too!

Sircoelho
September 17th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Yes, on PS3.

MikeTheC
September 17th, 2009, 11:13 PM
Breaking news: there are Blu-ray players for computers too!

Is there actual working Bluray support for either Linux or Mac OS X yet?

Actually, it doesn't matter as I don't see the need to spend more money on another optical drive and to re-buy movies I already own.

Shibblet
September 17th, 2009, 11:33 PM
You have to really like movies to go Blu-Ray. Although, the intention is to phase out DVD. So when you finally go upgrade, you'll just buy a Blu-Ray player, because eventually it will be the same price as DVD.

Right now, they are marketing them as a "premiere" way to watch movies.

But I have to agree with a lot of people in this thread, it's not that big of a difference between DVD and Blu-Ray on most televisions. If you have a 42" TV or smaller, I DARE you to tell a difference when you sit further than 10 feet away.

The biggest difference truly is the sound, and it is noticeable. So, unless you are REALLY into home theater, it's not that big of a deal.

gtr32
September 17th, 2009, 11:54 PM
The biggest difference truly is the sound, and it is noticeable. So, unless you are REALLY into home theater, it's not that big of a deal.

Picture is a huge improvement, sound really isn't. You have to have golden ears to hear the difference even on six figure systems.

Watching DVD after BD on 116" screen, I rather not do it. :)

pwnst*r
September 18th, 2009, 12:07 AM
That right there is a persuasive argument. Good Job.

i don't need to argue my point at all. nobody agrees with your statement. it's only as good as the source, not better. placebo.

pwnst*r
September 18th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Picture is a huge improvement, sound really isn't.

huge is an overstatement at times. sometimes the transfer is not that great and the improvement is marginal. this speaks to older movies, not new releases.

Shibblet
September 18th, 2009, 12:27 AM
i don't need to argue my point at all. nobody agrees with your statement. it's only as good as the source, not better. placebo.

I agree. Put a Blu-Ray in 480p mode, and it still looks better than DVD. Source is key.

handy
September 18th, 2009, 12:43 AM
No, the definition of what the initial comment poster meant by the following statement is key:

The proof of what I am saying is that if you visit a place like 'The Pirate Bay' you can get all the latest Bluray titles for free download. It's cheaper, faster, and you end up with a higher quality product if you pirate it then if you go down to the store and pay for it.


There are possible valid interpretations of the above statement.

What I have seen on torrent sites, is that BluRay rips are rarely if ever compressed.

So why would the quality of the audio/video be compromised in a digital copy made to a HDD?

& as the original comment said, data is handled faster when read from a HDD than an optical drive; & as I've said earlier in this thread, if you get the movie & none of the other rubbish, (apart from the increase in handling speed) it is surely a higher quality experience, in my opinion.

pwnst*r
September 18th, 2009, 01:09 AM
No, the definition of what the initial comment poster meant by the following statement is key:

The proof of what I am saying is that if you visit a place like 'The Pirate Bay' you can get all the latest Bluray titles for free download. It's cheaper, faster, and you end up with a higher quality product if you pirate it then if you go down to the store and pay for it.


There are possible valid interpretations of the above statement.

What I have seen on torrent sites, is that BluRay rips are rarely if ever compressed.

So why would the quality of the audio/video be compromised in a digital copy made to a HDD?

& as the original comment said, data is handled faster when read from a HDD than an optical drive; & as I've said earlier in this thread, if you get the movie & none of the other rubbish, (apart from the increase in handling speed) it is surely a higher quality experience, in my opinion.

i'm talking about the TECHNICAL audio/visual quality. and in that respect, i'm correct.

if taking out the FBI warnings, extras, and trailers, makes it more of a quality experience for you, congrats. but again, not what i am talking about at all.

handy
September 18th, 2009, 01:15 AM
i'm talking about the TECHNICAL audio/visual quality. and in that respect, i'm correct.

if taking out the FBI warnings, extras, and trailers, makes it more of a quality experience for you, congrats. but again, not what i am talking about at all.

Yes, but the crux of the biscuit as Frank Zappa would say, is that it is not about defining what you are talking about.

Shibblet
September 18th, 2009, 01:15 AM
i'm talking about the TECHNICAL audio/visual quality. and in that respect, i'm correct.

The AV Quality cannot be different, if it's from the same source. It's quality would be... well... the same.

gtr32
September 18th, 2009, 01:20 AM
Yes, but the crux of the biscuit as Frank Zappa would say, is that it is not about defining what you are talking about.

By twisting the definition to suit your needs you can make black appear white. Is DVD then better quality because it downloads faster and fits into smaller space? I guess if that is how YOU define it.

:P

handy
September 18th, 2009, 01:28 AM
By twisting the definition to suit your needs you can make black appear white. Is DVD then better quality because it downloads faster and fits into smaller space? I guess if that is how YOU define it.

:P

It's not about my definition, it is about what the poster of the original comment meant.

I'm just trying to show that there are possible valid definitions of what he meant.

But no one but that poster knows what he meant. & unless he comes here to define it for us, it shall remain forever a mystery. :)

I see no reason to denigrate his great comment because we don't understand the exact meaning of something he wrote in an ambiguous fashion.

Though some people seem to be sure that they do actually have that understanding. :confused:

Shibblet
September 18th, 2009, 01:37 AM
I see no reason to denigrate his great comment because we don't understand the exact meaning of something he wrote in an ambiguous fashion.

Though some people seem to be sure that they do actually have that understanding. :confused:

Then let's clarify. Blu-Ray movies are encoded at ~52-56mbps (1920x1080). So the playback, regardless of hard drive speed will still be at the same bitrate.

DVD's are encoded at ~8-10mbps (720x480). So the playback, again, regardless of being on an HD, will be the same.

Now let's examine the visual side of things.

This is the best chart I have seen that displays the visual differences, via Size of TV to resolution of source.

http://www.foxav.net/assets/images/resolution_chart.png

As you can notice, the larger the screen, the more you can see the actual HD Resolution.

handy
September 18th, 2009, 01:56 AM
Then let's clarify. Blu-Ray movies are encoded at ~52-56mbps (1920x1080). So the playback, regardless of hard drive speed will still be at the same bitrate.

DVD's are encoded at ~8-10mbps (720x480). So the playback, again, regardless of being on an HD, will be the same.

I wasn't talking about playback, if you reread my post you will see I was talking about data handling speed - load, access, unload/close, freedom from disk handling.



Now let's examine the visual side of things.

This is the best chart I have seen that displays the visual differences, via Size of TV to resolution of source.

http://www.foxav.net/assets/images/resolution_chart.png

As you can notice, the larger the screen, the more you can see the actual HD Resolution.

Many people use computers as media centres; they have graphic cards that allow them to attach to HD displays, some use systems with sound cards that use optical transfer.

Shibblet
September 18th, 2009, 02:03 AM
I wasn't talking about playback, if you reread my post you will see I was talking about data handling speed - load, access, unload/close, freedom from disk handling.

Well, then a HD would be faster. Especially on the whole Blu-Ray Java thing. Older Blu-Ray players can take up to 90 seconds to load a movie.


Many people use computers as media centres; they have graphic cards that allow them to attach to HD displays, some use systems with sound cards that use optical transfer.

Ummm.... Yes.... I agree. But what did that have to do with the chart? You lost me on that segue. We're all talking about how to tweak an engine in a car to make it faster, and you walk up and tell us that cars all have seats.

handy
September 18th, 2009, 02:09 AM
Ummm.... Yes.... I agree. But what did that have to do with the chart? You lost me on that segue. We're all talking about how to tweak an engine in a car to make it faster, and you walk up and tell us that cars all have seats.

I've been wasting my time saying that this particular part of the discussion in this thread is a waste of time... :lolflag:

pwnst*r
September 18th, 2009, 02:10 AM
handy - nobody here is arguing about the article's meaning, we're in disagreement with skripka's comment(s)

handy
September 18th, 2009, 02:12 AM
handy - nobody here is arguing about the article's meaning, we're in disagreement with skripka's comment(s)

Good, looks like the perfect place to bury that fragment of the thread for better or worse. :)

pwnst*r
September 18th, 2009, 02:15 AM
lol works for me

Shibblet
September 18th, 2009, 02:17 AM
I've been wasting my time saying that this particular part of the discussion in this thread is a waste of time... :lolflag:

You don't have to get all butt-hurt over it.

handy
September 18th, 2009, 02:27 AM
You don't have to get all butt-hurt over it.

I'm not in the slightest. Truly.

Misunderstanding someone's tone really is a major problem with internet forums.

I couldn't give a hoot about most of this topic, apart from my gross dislike of DRM. :-|

Enjoy... :)

Tharkun
September 18th, 2009, 02:31 AM
Unless it is something required to do I don't plan on buying Blue ray disks. DVD is good enough for me. I think I may just get the movies I really like and leave it at that.

doas777
September 18th, 2009, 03:37 PM
It is less like which side of the road to drive on, than say Toyota EULAing you into ONLY being allowed to drive on prime numbered state/national highways.

that is an excellent analogy. well said.