Microsoft (mis)educates Best Buy Employees about Linux

[TheNosh]

Why so many people talking about "Microsoft"???
i Googled Microsoft forums and no one speak about Ubuntu there...

:)

it has to do with proportions, MS has a wider userbase, so we don't matter to them and half of them don't know we exist.

we talk about MS here for a few of reasons.

1) some of us see them as a threat to linux

2) some of us enjoy windows as well as linux (that's my reason)

3) windows is what most people started using computers with

4) [insert any left out reason here]

[juancarlospaco]

Why so many people talking about "Microsoft"???
i Googled Microsoft forums and theres people speaking about Mac OS there...
But no one speak about Ubuntu there...

[mdsmedia]

it has to do with proportions, MS has a wider userbase, so we don't matter to them and half of them don't know we exist.

we talk about MS here for a few of reasons.

1) some of us see them as a threat to linux

2) some of us enjoy windows as well as linux (that's my reason)

3) windows is what most people started using computers with

4) some of us dislike MS/Windows and feel like saying so


There, fixed that.

[presence1960]

why so many people talking about "microsoft"???
I googled microsoft forums and theres people speaking about mac os there...
But no one speak about ubuntu there...

+1

I prefer to stick to what we do best. Which is helping those who come in here and ask for help with linux. Simple process.

[NightwishFan]

I actually feel uncomfortable using Windows and Mac. I do not have access or control over the entire system. More like a 'read-only' control. If I would use something like Windows, I would primarily use open source (paid or free) on it, so what would be the point? I might as well use a system that I can choose what sort of closed components go on it from the lowest level.

I am glad Microsoft sees us as a threat. What we offer, is a lightweight, familiar, high performance and secure computer operating system that is free to try or use and simple to change or remove. Perhaps they will try to learn from what we do. Or perhaps people will continue to use Xp.

[paddysteed]

My retaliation video!!!:lolflag: Here!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xW3DA4c6T4)

[MC707]

4. Slide 6. Oh dear...Microsoft listed all the reasons why NOT to get Windows over Linux. 5. Slide 8 linux updates and upgrades are easy. face: incorrect. Linux can take a lot of time to maintain. For example Ubuntu (a version of linux) may have hundred of updates a month Number one, Linux updates ARE easy, update manager pops up, you press install updates. Voila'. Simple. Hundres of updates a month? Well...there are lots of little updates, loads of them. They are not security updates though, they are to increase compatibility, to add new features, and to make it easier to run. Whereas all of Microsofts updates are HUGE GAPING SECURITY FLAWS BEING PATCHED UP. time for lunch...

Not to mention Linux (ubuntu specifically for me) installs the updates and AT MOST requires a restart. Windows on the other hand, triggers restart, configures updates for half an hour, restarts, boots, configures more damn updates for another half an hour. Boot and find that the damn bootloader f****d up! xD

In linux I don't have to worry about having updates ******* my anti-$$$$ measures

[ubongo2008]

haha ... you made my day!!!!
well let them tell what ever they wan't i think it was pure fun especially that one:

(got a feeling ... like uhm... biased? uneducated? they did boot up an linux live-cd and wondered where the explorer is?)

EDIT: Compatibility??? Never saw a windows of any kind running on an XBOX, XBOX360, PS3, Digital-Satreceiver, ..... or any other exotic kind of hardware but well if they think they can stand such a comparison

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj203/godofgrunts/Linux/Linux3.jpg

[coldReactive]

My retaliation video!!!:lolflag: Here!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xW3DA4c6T4)

Slightly more complete:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDkYKVJabSM&fmt=22

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-_juVdmqY&fmt=22

Remember to full screen them.

[schauerlich]

I was at Best Buy the other day with my friend helping her pick out a laptop. We had trouble even getting an employee to notice we were getting ready to hand them $500. Once we flagged one down, they mostly ran around without telling us if we should follow them or not for a minute, then gave us a slip to fill out so that we could pick it up when the computer came. Something tells me we don't need to worry too much about a campaign of anti-Linux heresy any time soon.

[Giant Speck]

I was at Best Buy the other day with my friend helping her pick out a laptop. We had trouble even getting an employee to notice we were getting ready to hand them $500. Once we flagged one down, they mostly ran around without telling us if we should follow them or not for a minute, then gave us a slip to fill out so that we could pick it up when the computer came. Something tells me we don't need to worry too much about a campaign of anti-Linux heresy any time soon.

I wish I could walk into my Best Buy without being bombarded by employees asking if I need help looking for something or being solicited by the stupid Clearwire salesperson they let roam around the computer section. :mad:

Still, I like this Best Buy a hell of a lot more than the one at the last place I lived.

[Dalek Draco ON LINUX]

Yeah heh, it's a proper wall of text :)


:S whoops. Sorry, I typed it up on a different forum and just copied and pasted it, had hoped that it would retain its formatting....apparently not....SORRY.....:

Okay for those of you who don't keep up with developments in the tech world, Microsoft has started pushing its retailers to get their employees brainwashed by Microsoft's newest piece of propaganda, a Windows vs Mac/Linux test. Seen here: http://www.ditii.com/2009/09/08/micr...targets-linux/ (http://www.ditii.com/2009/09/08/microsoft-linux-vs-windows-7-slideshow-for-retailers-targets-linux/)

Now what is wrong with this you ask? Oh **** you shouldn't have asked that...

1. Slide number 2 states 'linux is safer than windows: INCORRECT'. Okay, so an Operating System that is built upon unix (which has been shown countless times to be more secure than Windows) and which is opensource (thus allowing EVERYONE AND ANYONE to check the coding and make sure its safe, stable and secure) is not safer than an OS that allows anyone with half a brain to hack it, and releases MAJOR SECURITY FIXES EVERY 10 SECONDS???? I don't run an anti-malware program on linux, because I don't need to. I have an anti-malware program, an online scanner, and many other tools on my windows partition to protect the weak system.

2. Slide 3 states 'linux is easy to learn and will meet customer expectations about the things they can do with their PC. Myth: correct. help documentation is limited' Okay now that is just a huge load of ****. First and foremost, I learnt how to use linux (as in being able to take my laptop to uni and use it to take lecture notes, download my lecture powerpoint slides, etc) WITHIN AN HOUR. Linux comes with openoffice (the free alternative to Microsoft Office) inbuilt (you dont need to install it, its ready to run!). The layout of linux is admittedly different to Windows, and takes some getting used to, however I now find it EASIER to use than the complex 'where the **** is that admin tool that changes xyz' that is Windows. Finally, help documentation is limited? Okay...I phoned Microsoft for support (after emailing them and being told that my query required over-the-phone support) and was told (after being on hold for over an hour) that I was not able to be helped because my anti-virus program may have been causing the conflict (turned out it wasnt but there you go). In STARK CONTRAST....I have just posted on the linux ubuntu forums a query...a successful and useful reply (that solved my problem) was posted.....8 minutes later (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...99#post7940699 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7940699#post7940699)).

3. Slide 5. A chart lying about everything generally. I won't even bother countering the ******** there. I'll just point out the laughable hypocrisy in Microsoft stating that Windows Live Essentials is a FREE download (and that Linux can't download it). FREE??? FREE??? Linux prides itself on being free, whereas Microsoft charges you to breathe.

4. Slide 6. Oh dear...Microsoft listed all the reasons why NOT to get Windows over Linux.

5. Slide 8 linux updates and upgrades are easy. face: incorrect. Linux can take a lot of time to maintain. For example Ubuntu (a version of linux) may have hundred of updates a month Number one, Linux updates ARE easy, update manager pops up, you press install updates. Voila'. Simple. Hundres of updates a month? Well...there are lots of little updates, loads of them. They are not security updates though, they are to increase compatibility, to add new features, and to make it easier to run. Whereas all of Microsofts updates are HUGE GAPING SECURITY FLAWS BEING PATCHED UP. time for lunch...

Better? :P sorry again.

[coldReactive]

<huge snip>

1. That's the beauty of open source. :D

2. OpenOffice doesn't come with LINUX, it comes with various flavours of linux (IE: Ubuntu.) LINUX is a kernel, not an OS.

3. Windows Live Essentials is only free to download for Windows users ;) That's why they say it's free. :P

4. I wouldn't advise saying "compatibility" is a reason to choose Linux over windows though.

5. You should've said that "They are not JUST security updates."

[Dullstar]

Oh boy! I'm going to annoy the best buy. Really. This propaganda? I think sometime I might ask an employee where the Linux computers are and see what happens. Of course, they would probably kill me for suggesting I use something other than Windows. I don't think my parents would be too happy, but I think if I want a non-Windows computer, it'll have to come from either System 76 or the Apple Store. Which is in Chicago... ARG! **** it best buy! My friends will love this one so much...

heh heh. My school has at least two Linux users. This will definately be a useful tool. "Okay, here is why I hate Microsoft."

[clonne4crw]

Oh boy! I'm going to annoy the best buy. Really. This propaganda? I think sometime I might ask an employee where the Linux computers are and see what happens.

As will I

I don't think my parents would be too happy, but I think if I want a non-Windows computer, it'll have to come from either System 76 or the Apple Store.

You could instead burn your own CD...

My school has at least two Linux users.

Mine has 2 for sure: Me and my (best) friend. I'm not counting my other friends who loaded DSL onto their flash drives for no useful reason. Computer lab time would be 'DSL parties'. The only shell command they knew was 'help'.:popcorn:

[NightwishFan]

I think sometime I might ask an employee where the Linux computers are and see what happens.

I did ask that. The salesman went, "What?"

[Shibblet]

I love this.

http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html

And this...

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/06/microsoft-indoctrinates-best-buy-workers-with-anti-linux-lies/

[Tipped OuT]

Old news? Already 50 threads about this?

El Oh El.

[Icehuck]

Welcome to two weeks ago. Also, this is like thread 200 on this already.

[Giant Speck]

You just love to stir the pot, don't you?

[SomeGuyDude]

EXCLUSIVE: Company boasts that their product is better than a competitor's. Full story at 11.







YAWN.

[Shibblet]

You just love to stir the pot, don't you?

I had just heard about it. And I did a search for it on the forums but came up with nothing like that. Search for "Best Buy" "Windows 7" see what you get.

[ed5000]

It's still funny though! Even the 2nd time.

[Icehuck]

I had just heard about it. And I did a search for it on the forums but came up with nothing like that. Search for "Best Buy" "Windows 7" see what you get.

If I search "Windows 7 Campaign", its the second topic listed. If I search "Windows 7" it's the first topic on the second page of results. If I search "Windows 7 Best Buy" it's the second result on the first page as well.

[Shibblet]

If I search "Windows 7 Campaign", its the second topic listed. If I search "Windows 7" it's the first topic on the second page of results. If I search "Windows 7 Best Buy" it's the second result on the first page as well.

Nice, you thought of using the word "Campagin" and unfortunately it escaped me at the moment. And I also put my "Best Buy" in front of "Windows 7" which gave different results.

I've said in posts before, the search engine is tricky.

[lisati]

Bandwidth overload! I suppose I'll have to wait until tomorrow when my ISP takes off its throttling back to "dial-up" speed to check the page in the first post.

[Frak]

1. Slide number 2 states 'linux is safer than windows: INCORRECT'. Okay, so an Operating System that is built upon unix (which has been shown countless times to be more secure than Windows)

Well, for one, Unix isn't really "more" safe than Windows, Much of the time, it's the user that sits in the seat that can be blamed. Secondly, highlight the following white space:

LINUX ISN'T BASED OR BUILT UPON UNIX FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME!

[mdsmedia]

Well, for one, Unix isn't really "more" safe than Windows, Much of the time, it's the user that sits in the seat that can be blamed. Secondly, highlight the following white space:

LINUX ISN'T BASED OR BUILT UPON UNIX FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME!
I knew someone else would pick that up (the "Linux built on Unix" bit), so I didn't bother.

Unix IS more safe than Windows, and yes, the user is usually to blame, but that is not to say that Windows is safer than Linux either. I think it's fair to say that, inherantly, Linux is safer than Windows. Windows is more easily affected by the user than Linux is.

[c0mput3r_n3rD]

http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html

That link will direct you to screenshots of winblows training best buy employees to sell Windows 7. It talks about how Winblows is more secure, safer, easier to update, easier to use etc....

IT BLEW MY MIND!

[Tristam Green]

http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html

That link will direct you to screenshots of winblows training best buy employees to sell Windows 7. It talks about how Winblows is more secure, safer, easier to update, easier to use etc....

IT BLEW MY MIND!

Guess what. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1261346)

[dragos240]

Cool story bro.

[speedwell68]

So they are training other companies sales staff to blatantly lie. Way to go Microsoft.:D

[Sealbhach]

lolwut?

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[MasterNetra]

*oops wrong thread*

[ericmc783]

Over on the neowin.net article:

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/09/07/microsoft-internal-slideshow-for-retailers-targets-linux

At the bottom of this article, in the comments, there has been a very interesting discussion/flamewar going on, from people in both the MS and Linux camps. I am somewhat late arriving to the party. This is what I added to the discussion:

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There is one very important thing that noone in the comments have mentioned.

Linux, as a whole, consumes FAR LESS resources for everyday tasks.

In Windows Vista, sitting idle, with no programs running, and just standard startup options, always consumes atleast 1GB of RAM, just to do nothing!

I realize this article is about Windows 7. Well, I have taken a look at Win 7 RTM (release to manufacturing). A slight improvement, no programs running, just sitting idly on the desktop, and it consumes 780MB of RAM. And 780MB is probably a very generous assessment though, as it was taken after shutting down unnecessary startup options, and removing some bloatware that came with the OS.

Meanwhile, while I'm typing this, I'm using Ubuntu Linux 9.04, listening to music on Banshee (a very good MP3 player), using Firefox and Pidgin instant messenger. And doing all that, my computer is using a grand whopping total of.... 380MB RAM! Far less than Windows consumes when doing NOTHING! Advantage Linux.

Some of you will say it doesn't matter, just get a decent PC and you'll be fine. Did you ever stop and think that Microsoft MAKES the Standards?! Meaning that Microsoft is the reason you have to pay extra money to get 4GB of ram and a super-fast processor just to run Vista/Win7. Whereas in Linux, you get great performance with 2GB RAM and a middle-of-the-read processor. Not all of us game on the PC, PC Gaming just isn't what it used to be, and you can get a console.

The beauty of Linux is, and what you Windows fans fail to realize is, some of us want an operating system that just RUNS SMOOTHLY: That DOES NOT consume more resources than necessary. An OS that does not startup unnecessary programs upon logging in. An OS Where listening to music, checking email, and browsing the web are fast, smooth and uninterrupted. An OS that has a more secure internal structure (kernel), not requiring the constant running of anti-virus/mal/spyware software. An OS GUI that gives us an alternative to the cramped start menu, and the cluttered desktop which the average windows user has 100 things sitting on. An OS GUI that truly is customizable (you can edit the main menus used by the system in Linux, whereas in Windows, there is no getting rid of the nasty start menu, other than hiding it and ignoring it of course). An OS that does not constantly require deleting temp files, spy/mal/virus-scans, and occasional defragments which take forever to run. These things I have mentioned, are some of the greatest things about linux. Microsoft packs their OS with Bloatware and DRM restrictions, whereas in Linux, there are no restrictions, most distros (versions) give you the basic stuff upon install to get you up and running, and you can add the stuff you need as you go. (and no, adding components/drivers and upgrading stuff in Linux is nowhere near as hard as some of you are claiming it is, especially if you're using a fairly moden distro like Ubuntu or openSUSE.

No, I am not a crazed zealot. Windows has its place. There are advantages to both Operating Systems. :-)

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[aysiu]

Linux, as a whole, consumes FAR LESS resources for everyday tasks.

In Windows Vista, sitting idle, with no programs running, and just standard startup options, always consumes atleast 1GB of RAM, just to do nothing!

I realize this article is about Windows 7. Well, I have taken a look at Win 7 RTM (release to manufacturing). A slight improvement, no programs running, just sitting idly on the desktop, and it consumes 780MB of RAM. And 780MB is probably a very generous assessment though, as it was taken after shutting down unnecessary startup options, and removing some bloatware that came with the OS. I don't doubt that's been your experience, but I tried Windows 7 RC in VirtualBox with 512 MB of RAM, and it was very snappy and response... about the same responsiveness as Gnome with Compiz on my HP Mini with 2 GB of RAM.

Meanwhile, while I'm typing this, I'm using Ubuntu Linux 9.04, listening to music on Banshee (a very good MP3 player), using Firefox and Pidgin instant messenger. And doing all that, my computer is using a grand whopping total of.... 380MB RAM! Far less than Windows consumes when doing NOTHING! Advantage Linux. That's actually quite strange. Linux is designed to use as much RAM as possible. The idea is that unused RAM is wasted RAM:
http://chrisjohnston.org/2009/why-on-linux-am-i-seeing-so-much-ram-usage

Some of you will say it doesn't matter, just get a decent PC and you'll be fine. Did you ever stop and think that Microsoft MAKES the Standards?! Meaning that Microsoft is the reason you have to pay extra money to get 4GB of ram and a super-fast processor just to run Vista/Win7. Whereas in Linux, you get great performance with 2GB RAM and a middle-of-the-read processor. Not all of us game on the PC, PC Gaming just isn't what it used to be, and you can get a console. I haven't used Vista that extensively, but I have used both Windows XP and Windows 7, and they seem to work fine with 512 MB of RAM.

The beauty of Linux is, and what you Windows fans fail to realize is, some of us want an operating system that just RUNS SMOOTHLY: That DOES NOT consume more resources than necessary. Windows runs as smoothly as Linux does. I've been using Windows at work for years and haven't had many problems. Likewise, I've been using Linux at home for over four years and also had not that many problems. My experience has been that people who are scared of computers have a lot of computer problems, regardless of operating system.

And people who aren't scared of computers have fewer computer problems. (And if you're an open-minded Windows user, that can extend to Mac OS X and Linux, too.) An OS that does not constantly require deleting temp files, spy/mal/virus-scans, and occasional defragments which take forever to run. Windows does not require any of these things to run smoothly. These are all myths perpetuated by the "cleaning" and "security suite" industries. If you want Windows to run smoothly and be secure, just follow these tips:
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/windowssecurity These things I have mentioned, are some of the greatest things about linux. Microsoft packs their OS with Bloatware and DRM restrictions, whereas in Linux, there are no restrictions, most distros (versions) give you the basic stuff upon install to get you up and running, and you can add the stuff you need as you go. (and no, adding components/drivers and upgrading stuff in Linux is nowhere near as hard as some of you are claiming it is, especially if you're using a fairly moden distro like Ubuntu or openSUSE. This I definitely can agree with. You get far more out of the box with a typical Linux distro than with any vanilla Windows installation.

No, I am not a crazed zealot. Windows has its place. There are advantages to both Operating Systems. :-) There's nothing wrong with Windows except that it's proprietary and more difficult to customize than Linux distros are.

Windows does have its place--it's great for people who prefer it, and it's great for people who run Windows-only programs... or who want a lot of selection in preinstalled operating systems.

[NightwishFan]

I can agree that Windows is alright. I am more disappointed in the legions of the forced Windows zealots that NEED it for games and pirated photoshop.

However, saying windows is snappy and responsive is not always true. Under any stress or paging it really beings to lock up. The kernel does not seem to juggle that kind of load well. It was worse on Xp, which seemed to want to use the page file instead of RAM. If Windows seems to start fast, when the desktop appears does not mean everything is ready. GNOME started from scratch to Firefox up only takes a few seconds.

[aysiu]

However, saying windows is snappy and responsive is not always true. Likewise, saying Linux is snappy and responsive is not always true. I've had more lockups in Linux than in Windows. That's the truth.

I still prefer Linux anyway, though (I like the interface, the ease of customization, the live/installer CDs, the package management, the support community).

[ericmc783]

That's actually quite strange. Linux is designed to use as much RAM as possible. The idea is that unused RAM is wasted RAM:
http://chrisjohnston.org/2009/why-on-linux-am-i-seeing-so-much-ram-usage

Perhaps im using the wrong utility to gauge it. I'll post a screenshot tonight when I'm in ubuntu.


Windows runs as smoothly as Linux does. I've been using Windows at work for years and haven't had many problems. Likewise, I've been using Linux at home for over four years and also had not that many problems.

I'm not saying Vista runs horribly. Especially since I'm one of the more educated users of it. I keep things pretty locked down and secure. ubuntu just feels more responsive, for whatever reasons. And my internet connection speed is slightly faster in ubuntu, confirmed via several speedtest.net tests, using both os's, all to the same server, using firefox.

[NightwishFan]

Agreed, when using well written software, either should work well. I am a bit biased toward free software it seems.

[clonne4crw]

Sorry if this has already been posted in one of the previous 30 pages, or someone has already seen this, but I just saw it:

http://www.realistanew.com/blog/2008/07/ubuntu-in-best-buy

I don't have a date on it, but can this be considered a little hypocritical?

[coldReactive]

Sorry if this has already been posted in one of the previous 30 pages, or someone has already seen this, but I just saw it:

http://www.realistanew.com/blog/2008/07/ubuntu-in-best-buy

I don't have a date on it, but can this be considered a little hypocritical?

No. Red Hat Linux was sold in Best Buy (I've seen the boxes even.)

[clonne4crw]

Ok. Sorry to bring back an old, dead thread, but yesterday I went to Best Buy and asked a sales guy if any of the computers sold there could come with Linux preinstalled. He said not that he knows of, but the Geek Squad could do it for me for money (Which was in his opinion not necessary seeing as I knew what Linux was in the first place). Seems to me he hasn't been brainwashed yet by this propaganda. Maybe Microsoft pulled the plug on this crap after seeing the reactions after it got leaked?

[Giant Speck]

Ok. Sorry to bring back an old, dead thread, but yesterday I went to Best Buy and asked a sales guy if any of the computers sold there could come with Linux preinstalled. He said not that he knows of, but the Geek Squad could do it for me for money (Which was in his opinion not necessary seeing as I knew what Linux was in the first place). Seems to me he hasn't been brainwashed yet by this propaganda. Maybe Microsoft pulled the plug on this crap after seeing the reactions after it got leaked?

That, or actual people (i.e. not mindless drones) work at Best Buy.

[Tristam Green]

That, or actual people (i.e. not mindless drones) work at Best Buy.

Blasphemy. Don't you know that *anyone* who works for any kind of corporation is a "tool of the man" and upon signing employment papers loses all rights to opinion, individuality, and voluntary control of bodily function?

[Giant Speck]

Blasphemy. Don't you know that *anyone* who works for any kind of corporation is a "tool of the man" and upon signing employment papers loses all rights to opinion, individuality, and voluntary control of bodily function?

Well... the guys at my local Best Buy don't work on a commission, so they must be human.


I hope. :?

[Tristam Green]

Well... the guys at my local Best Buy don't work on a commission, so they must be human.


I hope. :?

I think you're right (in your previous statement). If a salesman has half a right mind, and does his job properly, he'll tell you all the facts. "Yes, you can install Linux on this, but just know that it will void any manufacturer warranty on the device, as well as any protection plan you purchase from us while it is in this configuration", etc.

[spotsworth]

desperation, they wanna hold on to what they, can while they can. they know it's only a matter of time.

[sdowney717]

http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12554_22-340537.html?tag=gald
I have no doubts that Linux scares MS a little bit.

[mickie.kext]

I think that news are very old.

[whiskeylover]

You think Apple doesn't spread FUD about MS? Its a dirty game, and everybody plays it.

[ZarathustraDK]

Lol, that's just plain ******** :p
http://i.zdnet.com/gallery/340547.jpg

[xir_]

Lol, that's just plain ******** :p



Please tell me that image is a joke.

[Kdar]

Thats crazy BS......

God, with Windows you have to wait 5 years to get any update at all :D haha

This one is great too:
http://i.zdnet.com/gallery/340548.jpg

[LowSky]

Thats crazy BS......

God, with Windows you have to wait 5 years to get any update at all :D haha
try longer....
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-patch-17-year-old-windows-vulnerability-in-ms-dos/

[madhi19]

I rarely go to Best Buy but when I do I always use the computer that they setup so that peoples can check their online store to compare with Amazon or some other site and just to mess with them if I find a better deal and I usually do I leave it on Amazon! lolll

[Madspyman]

"It can be unclear to users whether or not software updates need to be applied immediately or are optional."

Wow, I guess we know how Microsoft's feels about software updates.

[Kdar]

I rarely go to Best Buy but when I do I always use the computer that they setup so that peoples can check their online store to compare with Amazon or some other site and just to mess with them if I find a better deal and I usually do I leave it on Amazon! lolll

Same here.. If I plan to buy something, I might go to Best Buy to play around with product, see how it feels, but thats all I give for them :D... Never bought any product from them in like 5 years.
I always buy it from Amazon, NewEgg or any other online sites. (usually much cheaper and no tax)

[MooPi]

I rarely go to Best Buy but when I do I always use the computer that they setup so that peoples can check their online store to compare with Amazon or some other site and just to mess with them if I find a better deal and I usually do I leave it on Amazon! lolll
LOL That is just dirty man LOL Thank you for a fun idea.:D They shall pay for their FUD.

[jrothwell97]

Old news is old.

[NightwishFan]

I actually bought my laptop at Best Buy. Normally they are annoying and eager to make you spend money, but one employee at my local one was great. (He resembled Morgan Freeman btw, he seemed very nice).

He asked what I would use it for, and I told him straight that I was going to use Linux. He told me that he uses Ubuntu at home along with Windows and that Linux would not need as much resources. I told him my main requirement was a dual core and an intel card for Debian. He pointed me to a Asus laptop that actually works out the box with debian free software compliance. He also made sure I was aware of the warranty terms. Overall, I would not have spent money at all if he did not help me so much. +1 for that Best Buy employee.

He said that being honest is the only way he is comfortable. Considering how happy I am with this machine, and I am a SEVERE critic, then he was not just making a sale. Hopefully there are more folk like that out there.

[Post Monkeh]

I actually bought my laptop at Best Buy. Normally they are annoying and eager to make you spend money, but one employee at my local one was great. (He resembled Morgan Freeman btw, he seemed very nice).

He asked what I would use it for, and I told him straight that I was going to use Linux. He told me that he uses Ubuntu at home along with Windows and that Linux would not need as much resources. I told him my main requirement was a dual core and an intel card for Debian. He pointed me to a Asus laptop that actually works out the box with debian free software compliance. He also made sure I was aware of the warranty terms. Overall, I would not have spent money at all if he did not help me so much. +1 for that Best Buy employee.

He said that being honest is the only way he is comfortable. Considering how happy I am with this machine, and I am a SEVERE critic, then he was not just making a sale. Hopefully there are more folk like that out there.

i'm always happy to spend extra for a good service

[kaldor]

I actually bought my laptop at Best Buy. Normally they are annoying and eager to make you spend money, but one employee at my local one was great. (He resembled Morgan Freeman btw, he seemed very nice).

He asked what I would use it for, and I told him straight that I was going to use Linux. He told me that he uses Ubuntu at home along with Windows and that Linux would not need as much resources. I told him my main requirement was a dual core and an intel card for Debian. He pointed me to a Asus laptop that actually works out the box with debian free software compliance. He also made sure I was aware of the warranty terms. Overall, I would not have spent money at all if he did not help me so much. +1 for that Best Buy employee.

He said that being honest is the only way he is comfortable. Considering how happy I am with this machine, and I am a SEVERE critic, then he was not just making a sale. Hopefully there are more folk like that out there.

Nice. That's how I got my HP laptop that works out-of-the-box on many distros, including Solaris.

Though I once had HP tech support disconnect me when I said I was running Ubuntu. Gross.