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Sealbhach
September 2nd, 2009, 02:43 PM
I saw this thread on a forum recently and after a year and a half of using Ubuntu, I can't believe people put up with this kind of thing:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055666994

I'm so glad I discovered freedom!

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Viva
September 2nd, 2009, 02:57 PM
You must be really brave to start an anti-windows thread in the community cafe. Be prepared to be called a linux zealot.

pwnst*r
September 2nd, 2009, 02:58 PM
I saw this thread on a forum recently and after a year and a half of using Ubuntu, I can't believe people put up with this kind of thing:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055666994

I'm so glad I discovered freedom!

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i don't see the problem.

Tristam Green
September 2nd, 2009, 02:59 PM
i don't see the problem.

Likewise. Licensing is only a matter of reading, really.

JillSwift
September 2nd, 2009, 03:08 PM
Lookit the dogpile!

Restrictive use licensing sucks. Yay for having the ability to op-out!

Tristam Green
September 2nd, 2009, 03:14 PM
Lookit the dogpile!

Restrictive use licensing sucks. Yay for having the ability to op-out!

Agreed, except about the dogpile thing.

Licensing really is as easy as reading. If you agree to it, you're bound by its terms. Whether or not you read it or not is irrelevant, because they let you know what you can or cannot do with the program you're licensed to use.

Don't like it? Don't use it or buy it.

credobyte
September 2nd, 2009, 03:18 PM
I think I'll never get it .. why do you people are against Windows, especially, when it comes to buying licenses and using licensed software ? That's some kind of an addiction, when you can't stop thinking about your Linux box and how bad Windows was.
Licenses were made to set some rules, not for something else ..

JillSwift
September 2nd, 2009, 03:35 PM
Licensing really is as easy as reading. If you agree to it, you're bound by its terms. Whether or not you read it or not is irrelevant, because they let you know what you can or cannot do with the program you're licensed to use.

Don't like it? Don't use it or buy it.
True, but not relevant.

See, the point of the OP was (likely) a comment on the realization that while using Windows, he was under some very restrictive licensing, and now that he's aware of the greater freedom he now has under the licenses used in F/LOSS.

Looking back on that, one has that sudden stroke of perspective: Given the option to use software so freely, it becomes difficult to accept that others willingly accept the restrictive license.

This is not windows bashing. It's not license bashing. It's not addictive behavior. It's part of the human learning process.

Sealbhach
September 2nd, 2009, 03:36 PM
It's all that worrying about "am I allowed to do this?" and "am I allowed to do that?". It's so great not to worry about stuff like that with Ubuntu.

EDIT: JillSwift, thank you, exactly what I meant.

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HappyFeet
September 2nd, 2009, 03:45 PM
I like how windows defenders jump in all the time, as if windows deserves defending. Please save it for the windows message boards. It's not zealotry, it's people who like freedom, speaking their mind about something that they see as wrong.

credobyte
September 2nd, 2009, 03:50 PM
I like how windows defenders jump in all the time, as if windows deserves defending. Please save it for the windows message boards. It's not zealotry, it's people who like freedom, speaking their mind about something that they see as wrong.

Defending = flame war! We just leave our opinions and forget about it :p

Regenweald
September 2nd, 2009, 03:56 PM
I saw this thread on a forum recently and after a year and a half of using Ubuntu, I can't believe people put up with this kind of thing:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055666994

I'm so glad I discovered freedom!

.

I'm still stuck, My sis bought me a lexmark X5410. Didn't have the heart to explain Lexmark support(really lack thereof) in Linux. It's the thought that counts and she was very thoughtful. Great printer, only works in windows :) So i use the thing.

credobyte
September 2nd, 2009, 03:57 PM
I'm still stuck, My sis bought me a lexmark X5410. Didn't have the heart to explain Lexmark support(really lack thereof) in Linux. It's the thought that counts and she was very thoughtful. Great printer, only works in windows :) So i use the thing.

Have you tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714 ?

RiceMonster
September 2nd, 2009, 05:19 PM
I'm so glad I discovered freedom!

lol. It's just a computer.

Sealbhach
September 2nd, 2009, 06:33 PM
lol. It's just a computer.

It's not about a computer, it's about the license for my operating system and my appreciation of the merits thereof.

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Chronon
September 2nd, 2009, 06:49 PM
lol. It's just a computer.

I don't really understand the point. Because it's "just" a computer silly restrictions on how you use it should be encouraged?

RiceMonster
September 2nd, 2009, 06:51 PM
I don't really understand the point. Because it's "just" a computer silly restrictions on how you use it should be encouraged?

Who said I encouraged them?

This whole "I found freedom!" is what I find ridiculous. It's just an operating system. Unless you're making money off it (or with it), an OS should not have such a dramatic effect on your life. Even with money in mind, the concept is still ridiculous.

running_rabbit07
September 2nd, 2009, 07:09 PM
The fun of being enrolled in college, I get Windows 7 for free. I plan on running it with Virtual Box.

Viva
September 2nd, 2009, 11:48 PM
I like how windows defenders jump in all the time, as if windows deserves defending. Please save it for the windows message boards. It's not zealotry, it's people who like freedom, speaking their mind about something that they see as wrong.

+1:popcorn:

Chronon
September 3rd, 2009, 12:06 AM
Who said I encouraged them?

This whole "I found freedom!" is what I find ridiculous. It's just an operating system. Unless you're making money off it (or with it), an OS should not have such a dramatic effect on your life. Even with money in mind, the concept is still ridiculous.

Well, importance is generally pretty much a subjective thing. I could observe any person being enthusiastic about any thing at all and respond in the same way. Finding something to be ridiculous is also completely subjective. Objectively, nothing is either important or ridiculous. Subjectively, each person has a right to regard something as important or as ridiculous.

If you find somebody placing importance in the abstract idea of freedom ridiculous, then that's your right. However, it is also each other person's right to view an abstract idea as important and to not care about whether someone thinks of it as ridiculous or not.

I don't really understand the perspective that I interpret in your comment; that financial gain is a prerequisite for someone to find something important. Perhaps this is something we simply have to admit we look at in different ways.

Tipped OuT
September 3rd, 2009, 12:27 AM
Well, importance is generally pretty much a subjective thing. I could observe any person being enthusiastic about any thing at all and respond in the same way. Finding something to be ridiculous is also completely subjective. Objectively, nothing is either important or ridiculous. Subjectively, each person has a right to regard something as important or as ridiculous.

If you find somebody placing importance in the abstract idea of freedom ridiculous, then that's your right. However, it is also each other person's right to view an abstract idea as important and to not care about whether someone thinks of it as ridiculous or not.

I don't really understand the perspective that I interpret in your comment; that financial gain is a prerequisite for someone to find something important. Perhaps this is something we simply have to admit we look at in different ways.

I agree with Rice Monster. It's just a computer man. Unless your entire life revolves around a computer (that's one dull life) then it shouldn't have such a big impact... in my opinion.

Chronon
September 3rd, 2009, 12:57 PM
I agree with Rice Monster. It's just a computer man. Unless your entire life revolves around a computer (that's one dull life) then it shouldn't have such a big impact... in my opinion.

As I said, it's every person's right to place importance in something. Some people place importance in that first cup of coffee each morning. Some people place importance in relationships with friends. Some people place importance in money. None of it is intrinsically important at all. I support each persons sovereignty in finding something important, even if it isn't the same thing(s) that I find important.

How big of an impact does it have, anyway? I didn't see anybody proclaiming a computer (or the software that runs on it) as the cornerstone of their existence. I think you may be blowing this a bit out of proportion. Expressing appreciation for one thing in no way suggests lack of appreciation for other things.

Tristam Green
September 3rd, 2009, 03:19 PM
Dang, I'm getting accused of defending Windows and Microsoft daily now.

It's a license, folks. A binding legal contract on the terms and conditions of use of the software. If you don't like it, you have the freedom to elect not to use it (a point that is extremely pertinent here, but still being overlooked).

Some people act like they've been held in thrall by Microsoft and its monarchy of destruction or something. I don't get it. You weren't enslaved to your computers then, you're not now, and I haven't seen any example of zealotry on any front in this thread. All I've seen is a disregard for facts about the nature of licensing.

hellmet
September 3rd, 2009, 03:37 PM
I agree with Rice Monster. It's just a computer man. Unless your entire life revolves around a computer (that's one dull life) then it shouldn't have such a big impact... in my opinion.
I do spend a significant portion of my life on the computer. I'm a system admin by profession and at home my computer has replaced my TV, newspaper, novels and theatre, so mine is a really computer filled life and not boring at all.

Tipped OuT
September 3rd, 2009, 09:42 PM
so mine is a really computer filled life and not boring at all.

Yes, in your opinion. I rather be outside hanging out with my friends, then to be staring at a screen all day. That's just me.

munky99999
September 3rd, 2009, 10:17 PM
Silly Renaming of things and creation of useless things by default.
My Documents to Documents ; though retaining my documents
Public profile folders.
roaming appdata that isnt roaming?

My games - my music -my videos -my pictures -downloads-contacts-favourites-links-saved games-searches

workgroup was renamed to homegroup. Except workgroup/domain is still there. Homegroup is how you network shares items to this group of computers in the homegroup. Oh right... that's a workgroup.

Really wish ATI/Nvidia would get to work on real up to date drivers for linux and games were seemless in linux.