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dragos240
August 20th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Hi everyone,

What is the logical significance of being social and socialization. I have yet to find a good answer, one that is logical. I have aspergers, and apparently, I do not get out enough, I really don't understand that. I have friends, 4 in fact, and I hang out with them about 3 times a year, isn't that enough? I really have yet to find a logical answer that makes sense.

Bachstelze
August 20th, 2009, 03:57 PM
What is the logical significance of being social and socialization. I have yet to find a good answer, one that is logical.

There is none. Do what works best for you. If you're happy that way, then it's fine. Your life is no one else's business.

If ths was a troll, well... http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/545/successfultroll2cn3.jpg

Tristam Green
August 20th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Hi everyone,

What is the logical significance of being social and socialization. I have yet to find a good answer, one that is logical. I have aspergers, and apparently, I do not get out enough, I really don't understand that. I have friends, 4 in fact, and I hang out with them about 3 times a year, isn't that enough? I really have yet to find a logical answer that makes sense.

Whatever works for you, works for you. If that's enough to satisfy your personal need for social interaction, then so be it.

dragos240
August 20th, 2009, 03:59 PM
HymnToLife, why do you always post that?

nomnomnom
August 20th, 2009, 04:00 PM
You hang out with your friends 3 times a year? Dude that sucks! You friends should be your life!

Bachstelze
August 20th, 2009, 04:03 PM
HymnToLife, why do you always post that?

Why not? It's cool!

Ozor Mox
August 20th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Humans are social animals, it's in our nature. If you're happy though, then that's all that should matter to you.

tom66
August 20th, 2009, 04:10 PM
I also have aspergers...

I don't make many friends, but I don't care. It's not something that bugs me. Though I do like to talk to people sometimes I prefer it in person, not over IM or email.

PuddingKnife
August 20th, 2009, 04:23 PM
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Tamalin
August 20th, 2009, 04:28 PM
Humans are social animals, it's in our nature.

Not everyone is a social animal. I am not, but I could also remind you that some animal species avoid socialization with many members of their own species. Like Cats (unless they are having kittens).

koenn
August 20th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Hi everyone,

What is the logical significance of being social and socialization.
I'm not sure your use of the term 'socialization' is correct, here.
socialization is the process by which individuals are taught how to behave in a specific group. group can be anything from a small club to an entire society. the things you're taught are the morals, values, goals of the group, what is and isn't acceptable behaviour, etc. They way you're taught is both explicit (being told about it in school, church, laws, ...) and implicit. Sociologists usually focus on the implicit means of socialisation - which can include things as peer pressure, the 'moral' in the stories your parents told you as a kid, ... the status you gain by doing things that are values highly by the group, ...

the purpose of all this is the preservation and continuation of the group, and its goals, values, morals, ....

An example may make this clear :

On ubuntuforums, some behaviour is acceptable, some isn't. Some of this is made explicit in the code of conduct. Some of it is less explicit, but you'll learn it as you see threads getting closed, moved or merged, you receive the occasional warning or infraction, or see certain members with unacceptable behaviour dissapear.

The implicit part of this socialization is handled largely by the mods, although other peoples reaction to (non-support, eg games, cafe, ...) threads 'teach' you what is acceptable and what isn't, what is valued highly and what is looked down upon, etc.

Occasionaly, a new batch of mods is selected. The ones chosen for this job are members who have a record of the desired behaviour. It's easy to see how this will continue the implicit socialization mentioned before.

Among the mods, on ocassion, some are selected to become admins, to oversee the mods, resolve conflicts in the RC, etc. Presumably, one chooses the mods that, judging from their behaviour as mod, will show the 'admin' behavior that the current admins value.


And by this mechanism, ubuntuforums as a 'group' will preserve a certain 'way of beying' that continues, while new members join, otherrs leave, new mods come and go, ....



i'm not sure it's this sort of socialization you referred to, but at least it'll give you some background on how social stuff works.

mrgnash
August 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM
Whew... this is a complex one, but the short of it is that some amount of social interaction (it doesn't necessarily have to be with friends, or even outside the family unit) is required in order to promote and attain a healthy degree of cognitive, emotional, and physical functioning. This is not just a human phenomena, but can be seen in a wide variety of animals (particularly, though not exclusively, mammals). Just as the act of taking in sustenance triggers our neurological reward circuitry, whereas fasting is accompanied by the experience of pain/privation, so too do we have inbuilt mechanisms to ensure that we engage in the kind of social relationships that enhance our survival and reproductive capacity.

Lux Perpetua
August 20th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Hi everyone,

What is the logical significance of being social and socialization. I have yet to find a good answer, one that is logical. I have aspergers, and apparently, I do not get out enough, I really don't understand that. I have friends, 4 in fact, and I hang out with them about 3 times a year, isn't that enough? I really have yet to find a logical answer that makes sense.Because other people, believe it or not, are actually intelligent. Some of them are more intelligent than you in particular ways. Alone, your thoughts are limited to what you can come up with on your own. By talking to another person, you can experience thoughts you might never have thought of independently. And of course, you can return the favor for that person. But now, both your brain and the other person's brain are in states they would never have reached on their own, so the next thing the other person says to you could be something not only that you wouldn't have thought of on your own, but could be something that the other person wouldn't have thought of before the two of you began the conversation. Et cetera. In this way, the whole system of two people can be much greater than the sum of its two parts if you can get a good conversation going.

In summary, your brain can't be stimulated fully if you don't talk to other people. Of course, you might not get that benefit from every individual; the goal is to find people with whom you have a good dynamic.

Another reason, which is at least equally important, is that you can't build friendships without socializing with other people. Friendships benefit both parties; again, here the sum can be greater than its parts. This is probably a lot more significant than intellectual stimulation from an evolutionary perspective: having good friends can increase your survival capability immediately and dramatically, while increased mental stimulation might only impact your survivability indirectly.
I'm not sure your use of the term 'socialization' is correct, here.
socialization is the process by which individuals are taught how to behave in a specific group. There are multiple definitions of the word "socialize," as you probably know.

Copernicus1234
August 20th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Most people get lonely when they are alone.

Personally I dont. I like being alone. Everybody is different. And thats a good thing. :)

koenn
August 20th, 2009, 06:52 PM
There are multiple definitions of the word "socialize," as you probably know.
I'm not a native english speaker, so i probably don't know all the meanings to all the words, and words that appear the same in Dutch and English may still have different meanings or connotations.
Yet, I'm quite certain that socialization refers to the process I described rather than to 'the act of socializing (~ interacting with other people, taking part in social events, ...) ', although I could see how the OP maybe meant the latter.

LowSky
August 20th, 2009, 07:02 PM
Lux Perpetua hit it right on the head.

Being social leads to advances in human civilization. Without it humanity would never have learned to use tools, Prove Einstein's theory's wrong, and Oprah wouldn't have a job, these are some great examples.

Not being social has it upside too for example You dont need to buy gifts for holidays and birthdays.

Chronon
August 20th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Lux Perpetua hit it right on the head.

Being social leads to advances in human civilization. Without it humanity would never have learned to use tools, Prove Einstein's theory's wrong, and Oprah wouldn't have a job, these are some great examples.

Not being social has it upside too for example You dont need to buy gifts for holidays and birthdays.

Who proved Einstein's theories wrong?

Copernicus1234
August 20th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Who proved Einstein's theories wrong?

And from what Ive read, Einstein liked to keep to himself too. :)

apoth
August 20th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Sharing experiences is part of life.

What's the significance of yours if no one knows you've lived it?

Copernicus1234
August 20th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Sharing experiences is part of life.

What's the significance of yours if no one knows you've lived it?

The guy who remembers you will die too. There is no significance to life. Its just a ride.

NCLI
August 20th, 2009, 07:23 PM
And from what Ive read, Einstein liked to keep to himself too. :)
Einstein taught at several universities and was in contact with the greatest scientific minds of his time, so while he may have been somewhat a loner, he certainly wasn't as reclusive as the OP describes himself.

mikeize
August 20th, 2009, 07:28 PM
If you are satisfied with your life as it is, then there is no "apparent" need for you to get out more. However, if you feel unsatisfied, or depressed at your situation, then you should try (little by little) to get out and interact with others.

Humans developed as social beings as part of a biological survival mechanism. It is critical for meeting potential mates, for one thing. For another, as humans begin to become more sedentary, they share more things in common --houses, food, land, etc. In this way, everyone shares the burden, and you won't have one person/family starve while others have extra. In such a situation, maintaining good relations is essential, if not always easy. Failing to act in a normalized way sends negative signals which can be confusing or alarming to others.

That's the logic of it, as far as I know.

Tristam Green
August 20th, 2009, 07:33 PM
The guy who remembers you will die too. There is no significance to life. Its just a ride.

Except that stories can be passed down through generations, in effect perpetuating one's memory.

perniciousperegrine
August 20th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Hi everyone,

What is the logical significance of being social and socialization. I have yet to find a good answer, one that is logical. I have aspergers, and apparently, I do not get out enough, I really don't understand that. I have friends, 4 in fact, and I hang out with them about 3 times a year, isn't that enough? I really have yet to find a logical answer that makes sense.
Not to be nosy or anything... But do you get along with your family? Do you see your family often?

Technically, you are socializing through these message boards. So I'm thinking you're doing pretty well.