What has been your Automatix experience?

[mahiyar]

I still do not get it why are people dead against Automatix, well you can have your opinion but to call it useless sniffs of some extreme.
1) Is it because Autiomatix uses scripts -- There are lots of scripts floating around, I remember using Ayisu's script for firefox and it's great.
2)Is it because it makes you fiddle with your repositories -- Automatix is not the only programme which asks you to touch your repositories, beryl does that, so does ntfs install and lot many other installs.
3)Is it because it stops people from learning -- As KiwiNZ rightly pointed out, people just want to get along using Linux.

The statistics speak for themselves. Out of 289 people 103 people have not used Automatix, i.e 35%, this figure should be gratifying for some. Of the balance who have used Automatix 80% of them have had no problem with it and think its a great programme (me too). Thats even better than the ratings for Vista. Automatix is certainly not a "useless" programme.

[Hobbsee]

I've seen numerous systems break with it, and with dependancy hell as a result.

It really does tend to be quicker to tell the user to reinstall ubuntu, and guide them on doing that, rather than to fix everything automatix broke.

[Spr0k3t]

1) Is it because Autiomatix uses scripts -- There are lots of scripts floating around, I remember using Ayisu's script for firefox and it's great.
2)Is it because it makes you fiddle with your repositories -- Automatix is not the only programme which asks you to touch your repositories, beryl does that, so does ntfs install and lot many other installs.
3)Is it because it stops people from learning -- As KiwiNZ rightly pointed out, people just want to get along using Linux.

4) Feisty user
5) Prefer to do things another way

I'm with options 2-5 there. I've used it and thought it was great for the computer newb. Yes, I've recommended it to people who are dangerous with a computer system, but I've also told them to learn about what they are using and what it does in the process. Part of the problem with Automatix is that people are coming over to Linux not knowing what software they need to have to replace other windows/mac based software and don't know what to call it or don't recognize that they need other packages required by various data files. Once you are over that hurdle, there's no reason to use Automatix IMHO.

[forrestcupp]

I agree that starting with Feisty, the need for things like AX is lessening. Although, when I first installed Feisty Beta, I tried using the included Restricted Driver Manager for my ATI card. It totally borked my system. I eventually got rid of it, and am using my built in gforce 6100 (which the RDM worked flawlessly with) until I can get another nvidia card. But overall, with Feisty, you don't really need script installers like this as much.

I totally disagree with the notion that every Linux user should be familiar with the command line. I think that is a load of horse hockey. Different people have different uses and needs for their OS. Not everyone wants to be a h@xor g33k. Some people just want to have a nice free OS, and you can do most necessary things with the gui. We are living in the 21st century after all. Saying that every user needs to know the command line is like saying every Windows Vista user needs to be fluent in msdos. We need to realize that the world is changing. Gone are the days when Linux was for programmers and hackers only. As Linux becomes more mainstream and popular, we need to accept people of all technical levels.

[richbarna]

I think that poll says it all really. I think those statistics look pretty darn good for a third party app. I will continue to support arnieboy for his dedication and effort to the Linux community and Ubuntu, and I will continue to promote the use of Automatix.

Rich

[matthew]

We have come up with an official forums' stance on the issue of helper scripts (http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=13), like Automatix. It was posted today.

[richbarna]

I've seen numerous systems break with it, and with dependancy hell as a result.

It really does tend to be quicker to tell the user to reinstall ubuntu, and guide them on doing that, rather than to fix everything automatix broke.

1. How many is numerous ?
The previous poll doesn't show "numerous". Maybe it's just the systems "you" touched that broke.
2. How do you know it was Automatix that caused those problems ?
You're a dev, I'm an experienced Linux user, don't hold back, be specific.
3. Ubuntu developers have broken 100,000's of systems with a borked Xorg update.
So, with your line of thinking don't trust Ubuntu; repos,devs and apps ?
4. Ubuntu has broken itself without Automatix
Would you go to the beginners section, continually posting a warning that Ubuntu could break itself? or To stay away from linux because it breaks, even when sticking to official repos and using apps by Ubuntu devs ?

I really want to see your response, because as a Linux user, there is nothing worse than devs and apps being attacked constantly without a shred of evidence to back up the complaints.

[frodon]

Rich, what hobbsee wrote is an opinion not a truth by itself, asking for evidences on such topics is really senseless it will still be one voice against an other an will in any cases produces anything good.
Hobbsee have an opinion you have yours and that's fine really but no need to repeat things over and over, i think you both perfectly explained your view.

If you have new arguments to share feel free.

[mac.ryan]

We have come up with an official forums' stance on the issue of helper scripts (http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=13), like Automatix. It was posted today.

I think (as you might guess from my previous post) that is a good initiative, especially if it will go hand-in-hand with a more relaxed attitude by all the UFstaff members (...as it is for the most of them already, BTW!).

Only a couple of points that could be improved:

Others have had problems ranging from minor to quite severe. This is something that can occur with any software that is not officially supported.It is not 100% clear what this means: the way it sounds to me now is that with "officially supported" software one would experience less problems/less severe ones, which is not the case, as other users have already pointed out.

Your computer belongs to you. You are free to use on it what you wish, that is one of joys and values of the Open Source community, freedom.I would change "Open Source" with "Free/Open Source" or directly with "Free software", for the usual reasons, but especially because here the value of freedom is explicitly mentioned.

Anyhow, I feel it is a laudable initiative that goes in the right (ubuntu spirit) direction.

[PriceChild]

Ubuntu's updates do not break Ubuntu.

What breaks Ubuntu is people using unsupported software such as nvidia binary .run installs from nvidia.com or automatix. Ubuntu's updates don't expect these and so you should have the knowledge to fix them if you're going to use them. Don't complain to Ubuntu :)

[matthew]

Only a couple of points that could be improved:

It is not 100% clear what this means: the way it sounds to me now is that with "officially supported" software one would experience less problems/less severe ones, which is not the case, as other users have already pointed out.Okay, that's a fair point. I'll see what I can do to clean up the language a bit.

I would change "Open Source" with "Free/Open Source" or directly with "Free software", for the usual reasons, but especially because here the value of freedom is explicitly mentioned.Also reasonable.

[mstlyevil]

Ubuntu's updates do not break Ubuntu.

What breaks Ubuntu is people using unsupported software such as nvidia binary .run installs from nvidia.com or automatix. Ubuntu's updates don't expect these and so you should have the knowledge to fix them if you're going to use them. Don't complain to Ubuntu :)

I have to respectfully disagree with you here.

Remember last year year when a kernel update was completely borked and killed thousands if not tens of thousands of installs in just a few days? It was both slashdotted and dugg so you can not deny this happened.

Then this year there was a kernel update that broke wireless support for many individuals. Just search this and Linux Mints forums if you don't believe me.

Ubuntu has done a fine job of breking things with it's own updates..

[matthew]

I have to respectfully disagree with you here.

Remember last year year when a kernel update was completely borked and killed thousands if not tens of thousands of installs in just a few days? It was both slashdotted and dugg so you can not deny this happened.

Then this year there was a kernel update that broke wireless support for many individuals. Just search this and Linux Mints forums if you don't believe me.

Ubuntu has done a fine job of breking things with it's own updates..Yeah, it happens.

Offtopic: mstlyevil! It's been a year or more since I've seen you around. I'm glad to see your face! (avatar? presence? whatever, I'm glad to hear from you).

[mstlyevil]

Yeah, it happens.

Offtopic: mstlyevil! It's been a year or more since I've seen you around. I'm glad to see your face! (avatar? presence? whatever, I'm glad to hear from you).

I come around from time to time but usually don't log in.

Thanks for the warm welcome. :guitar:

[matthew]

I come around from time to time but usually don't log in.

Thanks for the warm welcome. :guitar:I'll quit hijacking the thread after one last offtopic comment...

Feel free to hang out here whenever you can. You are always welcome.

[richbarna]

I'll quit hijacking the thread after one last offtopic comment...

Feel free to hang out here whenever you can. You are always welcome.

I'll copy that post Matt, and extend the welcome to you, we are all missing the guitar chat ;)

[Artificial Intelligence]

Hi, mstlyevil :KS
Long time no see. Glad to see you on the board again.



Sorry to go Off topic :P

[PriceChild]

Hehe ok then I conceded mslyevil that It has happened.

However I hope you will agree that the vast majority of cases in the recent past are of the sort that I have described?

[mstlyevil]

Hehe ok then I conceded mslyevil that It has happened.

However I hope you will agree that the vast majority of cases in the recent past are of the sort that I have described?

I will concede that any software you install from multiverse and universe can cause problems. Since 99.9% of us use software from these sources it is a little hard to track down the true cause.

I will also concede that Automatix does sometimes cause problems. But it is not the villain it is being made out to be nor is it as bad as some are running around claiming.

[matthew]

Hehe ok then I conceded mslyevil that It has happened.

However I hope you will agree that the vast majority of cases in the recent past are of the sort that I have described?
I will concede that any software you install from multiverse and universe can cause problems. Since 99.9% of us use software from these sources it is a little hard to track down the true cause.

I will also concede that Automatix does sometimes cause problems. But it is not the villain it is being made out to be nor is it as bad as some are running around claiming.
Yep, there's a balance in there. The truth is usually contained somewhere in between the extremes. :)

[FuturePilot]

Ubuntu's updates do not break Ubuntu.

What breaks Ubuntu is people using unsupported software such as nvidia binary .run installs from nvidia.com or automatix. Ubuntu's updates don't expect these and so you should have the knowledge to fix them if you're going to use them. Don't complain to Ubuntu :)

Hmmm, I seem to remember a broken Ubuntu (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299011) from what I eventually traced back to a Xorg update and I was not using the Nvidia binary drivers. Just the nv ones.

[kazuya]

I do not need automatix per say anymore as I am more familiar with what apps I need. However, I see automatix as a huge help to newbies and even experienced folks and myself who may neither know what codecs to install or what apps to install by their linux names, but can figure out easily using the intuitive automatix gui installer. It lays everything out there for you with easy naming and description of what the apps are for.

I have since discovered about many lovely multimedia apps, I never would have known existed otherwise.

Easytag comes to mind, another is amarok, unrar, etc.. Sure you can get these via synaptic alone or apt-get, but automatix makes it ridiculously easy to get them and learn about their existence.

[mstlyevil]

I do not need automatix per say anymore as I am more familiar with what apps I need. However, I see automatix as a huge help to newbies and even experienced folks and myself who may neither know what codecs to install or what apps to install by their linux names, but can figure out easily using the intuitive automatix gui installer. It lays everything out there for you with easy naming and description of what the apps are for.

I have since discovered about many lovely multimedia apps, I never would have known existed otherwise.

Easytag comes to mind, another is amarok, unrar, etc.. Sure you can get these via synaptic alone or apt-get, but automatix makes it ridiculously easy to get them and learn about their existence.

CNR will probably expose you to even more apps you haven't discovered yet. Another benefit of CNR over AX will be the legal use of codecs in the US and Japan. However I suspect some of the software in AX will not be in CNR since it will just mirror the Ubuntu repos.

[compiledkernel]

My curiosity on the A-X application is just what does it install that Uni, Multi, and Main do not provide? What does it install that Gnome-app-install does not provide? If it is up to the community to support installations that A-X gives to the user in one click it would seem prudent for the community as a whole to know exactly what those are.

At last check against Feisty, GAI and the repos provide most of the Formats found in -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormat.

What does A-X provide to the user with ease that Ubuntu itself does not?

[mstlyevil]

90% of the software is from uni or multi. The other 10% is software that is buggy in uni or multi.(Azureus and Flash) Newer versions of stable software. ( Acrobat Reader) Software not in uni or multi. (Gyachi) And of course those legally challenged codecs. (W32codecs, libdvdcss)

These were just off the top of my head.

[Sunflower1970]

What does A-X provide to the user with ease that Ubuntu itself does not?

For me, nVidia drivers. Envy said my 7600GT AGP card was unsupported so it couldn't install the drivers, and originally I was not sure what to do with the drivers from nVidia (although I think I can do it myself now). The drivers in the repos worked with one of my cards, but, not the other. Automatix was the only tool which worked without a hitch on installing the 7600GT drivers which gave me 3D, and didn't cause me to pull my hair out. I also used it with a GeForce3 Ti 500 card since it was so painless

In Feisty on my test system which has the GeForce3, when I enabled the drivers in the restricted manager, it gave me 3D, but the resolution was off (800x600 and it should be 1280x1024...my xorg.conf had that added to the resolutions, but I couldn't choose it) and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. So, I stumbled through using the official nVidia ones, and it worked quite well.

Don't know if I'll use Automatix again since the drivers are all I used it for, and I am much more confident than when I first started using Linux on how to install drivers from nVidia themselves. But, I'm happy it was there to help me through when just beginning.

[Roberticus]

It broke my Ubuntu feisty beta... Not able to log in after using it. Waiting for tomorrow's Kubuntu RC

Another weird thing, it installed Beep Media player even if I didn't choose it. :(

[mstlyevil]

It broke my Ubuntu feisty beta... Not able to log in after using it. Waiting for tomorrow's Kubuntu RC

Another weird thing, it installed Beep Media player even if I didn't choose it. :(

Both feisty and AX for feisty are still beta so there will still be problems. If you could go to the AX forums and post what you installed and what broke so we can trouble shoot it and fix it before the final release.

Thanks

[matthew]

90% of the software is from uni or multi. The other 10% is software that is buggy in uni or multi.(Azureus and Flash) Newer versions of stable software. ( Acrobat Reader) Software not in uni or multi. (Gyachi) And of course those legally challenged codecs. (W32codecs, libdvdcss)

These were just off the top of my head.Here's the full list (for feisty, although other lists are available over there). http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_and_Tweaks

I'm curious, what license is being used for Automatix? I can't see any mention on the site, Is it GPL? Obviously python/bash scripts are going to be open source, if you unpack the binary. I was just wondering if it has a free license as well...

[mstlyevil]

Here's the full list (for feisty, although other lists are available over there). http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_and_Tweaks

I'm curious, what license is being used for Automatix? I can't see any mention on the site, Is it GPL? Obviously python/bash scripts are going to be open source, if you unpack the binary. I was just wondering if it has a free license as well...

It is GPL2 and will always remain GPL including the binary.

[matthew]

I was just wondering if it has a free license as well...Never mind...I found it. The version.txt file contained in the deb says thisAutomatix is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published bythe Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or(at your option) any later version.and I'm glad to hear it.

[matthew]

It is GPL2 and will always remain GPL including the binary.Thank you. I noticed your response right after someone else showed me the file I mentioned.

[richbarna]

In all fairness, the forums don't openly support EasyUbuntu. Some staff may, but it's not forum policy or anything (unless I missed that memo). If I'm wrong someone else can correct me, but a 3rd party forum does not necessarily equal open support. Automatix used to have a 3rd party forum here as well, and the forum wasn't openly supporting it either. It's just a way to give 3rd party projects a home if they don't have one already.

Ok, I stand corrected. Sorry about that. It's just that some of my posts were removed from threads and merged to other A-X threads, whilst the links to EasyUbuntu that were posted by a staff member were left untouched. Maybe in the midst of all this I got the wrong impression.

[richbarna]

Rich, what hobbsee wrote is an opinion not a truth by itself, asking for evidences on such topics is really senseless it will still be one voice against an other an will in any cases produces anything good.
Hobbsee have an opinion you have yours and that's fine really but no need to repeat things over and over, i think you both perfectly explained your view.

If you have new arguments to share feel free.

Ok, Frodon, I am going to risk an infraction point now. It's because of your and compilekernels anti-automatix lies spread all over the Beginners Section, that there is all this fuss now.

There are far more people both Members and Forum Staff who share my point of view that statistics show that Automatix isn't the dangerous beast that you and CK are trying convince the new Ubuntu users it is.

Even an ubuntuforums Admin has disagreed with you. I have done my best to right a wrong. Possibly making myself look like a pain in the backside along with it. I will continue to repeat the same argument as long as this type of injustice appears on any forum.

If you want to give your opinion about something to Ubuntu newbies who are still learning about Linux, fair enough. But just make sure you get your facts straight first.

To make life easy for you mstyevil and myself wrote THIS (http://www.modfree.org/index.php?topic=580.msg5961;boardseen#new) article.

I am truly sorry about dragging up the A-X issue and possibly starting negativity between A-X, modfree and UF again, but blatant app bashing should never happen on a forum as professional and influential as ubuntuforums.org, especially by staff members.

Now I think I have said enough, and i'll leave this topic alone.

Rich

[taurus]

Now I think I have said enough, and i'll leave this topic alone.

Rich

Hallelujah.

[richbarna]

Hallelujah.

I was just defending an app and a friend who gave a lot to these forums.

Sorry if i bored you.

[MButterman]

Having tried both Easy and Auto side by side, I prefer manual installation because I learn the process of how llinux works. Some people haven't got the time for such tinkering so these applications come in mighty handy. For the first timers, I think it gets them started but they would do well to learn whats under the hood of this O/S. It is through this that there is an understanding of it in case there is a break in the system you must fix yourself. As for the quality of either Easy and Auto. The last time I tried using either, Easy was still in alpha and Auto was more polished so it really wasn't a fair comparison. I was a bit confused why an alpha release of Easy was being misrepresented as a stable release. I think that would account for my issues with it which led me to remove it from my system. Should Ubuntu favor one over the other, I just not sold on the idea really. This causes such a division among us as users and quite frankly, I could've used some of this energy to help me with some of my posts that escaped any answers. Imagine if you will if there might be any other noob that need those same questions answered. I don't think that promotes Ubuntu very well. If there is going to be a movement to switch from windows to linux, how could we possibly support those converts while we are failing to support those that are already here.

[STREETURCHINE]

Ubuntu's updates do not break Ubuntu.

What breaks Ubuntu is people using unsupported software such as nvidia binary .run installs from nvidia.com or automatix. Ubuntu's updates don't expect these and so you should have the knowledge to fix them if you're going to use them. Don't complain to Ubuntu :)

i would have to disagree with this as i had just done a fresh install of ubuntu,updated everything ,but with no extra repos or drivers installed the next day there was a kernel update and it shot my computer to bits,cant blame automatix or binary drivers for that.

it is very easy to lay the blame at anothers feet,

[loell]

i would have to disagree with this as i had just done a fresh install of ubuntu,updated everything ,but with no extra repos or drivers installed the next day there was a kernel update and it shot my computer to bits,cant blame automatix or binary drivers for that.

it is very easy to lay the blame at anothers feet,

ubuntu updates do not break ubuntu, if there are any breakage ubuntu devs is responsible enough to admit and fix the problem.

[Hobbsee]

i would have to disagree with this as i had just done a fresh install of ubuntu,updated everything ,but with no extra repos or drivers installed the next day there was a kernel update and it shot my computer to bits,cant blame automatix or binary drivers for that.

it is very easy to lay the blame at anothers feet,

Was this feisty, by any chance? Development releases....no, you should know what i'm going to say by now.

[Hobbsee]

1. How many is numerous ?
The previous poll doesn't show "numerous". Maybe it's just the systems "you" touched that broke.
2. How do you know it was Automatix that caused those problems ?
You're a dev, I'm an experienced Linux user, don't hold back, be specific.
3. Ubuntu developers have broken 100,000's of systems with a borked Xorg update.
So, with your line of thinking don't trust Ubuntu; repos,devs and apps ?
4. Ubuntu has broken itself without Automatix
Would you go to the beginners section, continually posting a warning that Ubuntu could break itself? or To stay away from linux because it breaks, even when sticking to official repos and using apps by Ubuntu devs ?

I really want to see your response, because as a Linux user, there is nothing worse than devs and apps being attacked constantly without a shred of evidence to back up the complaints.

1. Too many. see #ubuntu support channel, around upgrade time.

2. The dependancies. Versions of things that have never been in ubuntu, and the automatix stuff that shows up in the crash logs.

3. Yes, i think we all trust upstream xorg patches less now - we've now got a stable release updates process to stop this. On the subject of nvidia breakage, nvidia always needs a rebuild with an api bump of the kernel, caused by a security update, etc. So does l-r-m. We cant rebuild nvidia modules for you.

4. The developers are working on the development release, not in the beginners forum, so the question is moot.

Cant really be bothered fighting - we've got more important things to do - like bugfix, and test cds. At least that will come to something productive.

[DJ Wings]

No issues with Automatix so far. It`s a great piece of software.

[djsroknrol]

I've used it since Breezy without an issue...some fine software there...Arnieboy and crew have done a fine job with it.

[compiledkernel]

1. Too many. see #ubuntu support channel, around upgrade time.

2. The dependancies. Versions of things that have never been in ubuntu, and the automatix stuff that shows up in the crash logs.

3. Yes, i think we all trust upstream xorg patches less now - we've now got a stable release updates process to stop this. On the subject of nvidia breakage, nvidia always needs a rebuild with an api bump of the kernel, caused by a security update, etc. So does l-r-m. We cant rebuild nvidia modules for you.

4. The developers are working on the development release, not in the beginners forum, so the question is moot.

Cant really be bothered fighting - we've got more important things to do - like bugfix, and test cds. At least that will come to something productive.

1. Aggree. Totally aggree.

2. Such is the nature of 3rd party software installing stuff on your system. If you trust unofficial channels to install software on your system you are likely to break your system as much or more than official ones. The proper installation mediums for nvidia cards are an example of this. Automatix, Envy, and Easyubuntu borked nvidia driver installs because they followed the improper installation path. Official Sources of documentation steer you in the proper direction to get around this fact.

3. We learn from our experiences. Again, I cite the use of Official resources to correctly fix such relate issues.

4. Automatix seeminlgy to me , and I might be wrong, doesnt give anything back to the community. It would seem to me , support of the developers would be most prudent. Filing Bug reports, and following up on disucssions via Launchpad , IRC, or other such medium. Has Arnieboy ever filed a bug report? LaunchPad profile -- https://launchpad.net/~greyrod. I only see two one for a jre1.4 install and another for ClamAV. Neither of those seem to be related to installations that Automatix is specifically geared towards. It would seem more prudent to me to file a bug report or opinion status saying - Users cant configure Beryl easily. Users Cannot install mp3 playback. Users cannot to A, B, C, D or E.

Fighting is useless. Ringing the Division Bell for sake of ourselves is even more useless. Work together, not apart.

[zubrug]

I have not read all the post's in this thread and am just stating my experience with Automatix.
I used it a while back in dapper I believe and was completely thrilled about it. I decided not to use it after noticing that my partitions that I used it on never successfully upgraded to newer releases.
I still think it great for newbies who have trouble using search, yes I agree that some search's do not alway's solve hardware issues.

So I guess I will stay on the fence and say good for newbies with emphasis (spelling) on encouraging them to learn to use synaptic/adept/apt.

[demonhunter]

I have chosen the other option due to:

- I never used Automatix untill today. Tomorrow I'll start a fresh install to change from dapper to feist and I'll try to use Automatix 2.

I read this thread and found more people that loves automatix than people that hates it... It needs to be good to have a lot of fans like that. :)

:D

cyah guys...

[karellen]

I never used automatix. I did all what I needed without it (installing codecs, java, flash etc)

[starcraft.man]

I did use it at the beginning just for a bit but it feels much better to be in control and use the terminal and repos... not to mention, automatix can be down... the repos all going down might signal the appocalypse :p. Props to arnie for making a great program though, I send any new people who have trouble with the terminal to it.

[mrcanard]

Other. (Please explain)
I've used it and have had no problems with it.
Automatix made the os more usable fast.
Automatix made me hopeful Linux would workout.
Automatix bought time for Linux for me to figure things out for myself.
After trying to upgrade Firefox and install Java about ten times and failing I tried Automatix.
If Automatix had failed I would have wiped the drive and it might have been a long before I installed and tried to use another Linux system.

It is a very sad thing that the ubuntuforums.org has one group that understands the above comments and another group that does not.

Where is the middle ground for the hopeful new Ubuntu user?

[RAV TUX]

In light of these two threads...
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=689138
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120693

... I'm just curious what people's actual experiences with Automatix have been.

This is a rather out dated poll it is almost like it should be closed and a new poll started.

When there are polls specifically that have to do with software things can change so quickly they should have a expiration date on the poll to make them relevant.

Changes can happen especially when in comes to stability, thus making the resulting poll misleading.

[pepemosca]

Hey, any comments about this post: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html

Says:

Conclusion:

Automatix exists to satisfy a genuine need, and further work should be
carried out to determine whether these user requirements can be
satisfied within the distribution as a whole. However, in its current
form Automatix is actively dangerous to systems - ranging from damage
to small items of user configuration, through removing user-installed
packages without adequate prompting or warning and up to the (small
but existing) potential to leave a system in an unbootable state.

:confused:

[aysiu]

This is a rather out dated poll it is almost like it should be closed and a new poll started.

When there are polls specifically that have to do with software things can change so quickly they should have a expiration date on the poll to make them relevant.

Changes can happen especially when in comes to stability, thus making the resulting poll misleading.
You have a great point, RAV TUX. I'm closing this thread.

The new poll can be found here (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518244).