The simple reality is: "Windows is NOT for everyone!"

[HappinessNow]

The true reality is Windows is NOT for everyone, last year I had some acquaintances contact me because their Windows computer had become unusable. They had 4 teenagers living at home, within a week of hooking up high speed cable their computer had become a Zombie.

I did not install Linux, but I did install PC-BSD; I am happy to report that over a year later they are still using the same computer with not one issue as of yet.

The simple reality is: "Windows is NOT for everyone!" simple case in point.

The same success could have been achieved with Linux but I felt for the high rate of teenagers in the household, PC-BSD would be a better option, it was. I showed one teenage girl how to run updates from the taskbar notification on KDE and other then that it has been maintenance free and not one call for me to help. I also showed this young lady how to easily install PBI files.

While some see the glass half empty and some see the glass half full I see the glass has potentiality to runneth over. :P

[dragos240]

All you're doing is restating the point of the other topic's OP.

[HappinessNow]

BSD is NOT Linux (btw). ;)

[Skripka]

BSD is NOT Linux (btw). ;)



And yet, this thread too will end up being moved to the Testemonials forums.

[seteshf]

My biggest complaint about Windows 7 is that they removed the "Windows Classic" shell and now force everyone to use Aero or Aero Glass.

[HappinessNow]

My biggest complaint about Windows 7 is that they removed the "Windows Classic" shell and now force everyone to use Aero or Aero Glass.Lack of customization seems to a resounding theme with Windows, that and their inherent security weaknesses.

[seteshf]

Lack of customization seems to a resounding theme with Windows, that and their inherent security weaknesses.

I don't want resource intensive crap to make my windows look a little prettier, I was perfectly happy with Windows 2000.

[HappinessNow]

I don't want resource intensive crap to make my windows look a little prettier, I was perfectly happy with Windows 2000.Customization does NOT have to equal resource intensive, in fact quite the opposite if done right customization can be more efficient.

[windows-killer]

The true reality is Windows is NOT for everyone, last year I had some acquaintances contact me because their Windows computer had become unusable. They had 4 teenagers living at home, within a week of hooking up high speed cable their computer had become a Zombie.

I did not install Linux, but I did install PC-BSD; I am happy to report that over a year later they are still using the same computer with not one issue as of yet.

The simple reality is: "Windows is NOT for everyone!" simple case in point.

The same success could have been achieved with Linux but I felt for the high rate of teenagers in the household, PC-BSD would be a better option, it was. I showed one teenage girl how to run updates from the taskbar notification on KDE and other then that it has been maintenance free and not one call for me to help. I also showed this young lady how to easily install PBI files.

While some see the glass half empty and some see the glass half full I see the glass has potentiality to runneth over. :P


so whats the point of this thread?
I know all linux users hate windows, thats competition.

[dragos240]

so whats the point of this thread?
I know many linux users dislike windows to some extent, that's competition.

Fixed that for you.

[windows-killer]

Fixed that for you.

Nope I think it was fine the way it was:D

[dragos240]

Well, I do indeed dislike microsoft. But I do not by any means hate them.

[C!oud]

so whats the point of this thread?
I know all linux users hate windows, thats competition.

That is quite frankly simply not true just like your signature. And yes I don't think Windows is very user friendly for me and find it frustrating sometimes having to use it, so just because my perception is different than yours that means I have some sort of hatred for Windows?

[windows-killer]

Well, I do indeed dislike microsoft. But I do not by any means hate them.

I dislike M$ as well but for a good reason, such as: their OS is too pricey and you cant buy a pc without windows installed on it. My reasons are perfectly valid, but the rest of you hate M$ for very immature reasons like: windows is not open source and its not free.

[windows-killer]

That is quite frankly simply not true just like your signature. And yes I don't think Windows is very user friendly for me and find it frustrating sometimes having to use it, so just because my perception is different than yours that means I have some sort of hatred for Windows?

whats not friendly about windows?
IMO the only thing that is not friendly is the the price.

[Shibblet]

I dislike M$ as well but for a good reason, such as: their OS is too pricey and you cant buy a pc without windows installed on it. My reasons are perfectly valid, but the rest of you hate M$ for very immature reasons like: windows is not open source and its not free.

TECH SUPPORT!!!

You have to look at it from a manufacturer's point of view. Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Gateway, Compaq, HP, etc. etc. etc.

Bob want's a name brand computer, and name brand want's Bob as a happy customer.

90% of all of the tech support questions they receive are software problems. By including an OS, like Windows, they can better help their customers.

Talking someone through setting up their IP configuration in Vista is pretty darn simple.

Telling people how to type "sudo apt-get install whatever" is a bit more frustrating if the person mistypes, or didn't hear you correctly.

Windows is the most simple operating system to troubleshoot. PERIOD. And that's why it's bundled with new computers.

Don't believe me? Ask Dell when they sell a computer with Ubuntu on it, 36% of them are returned, and another 32% request an XP install disc. That's why Dell dropped support for Ubuntu.

[windows-killer]

TECH SUPPORT!!!

You have to look at it from a manufacturer's point of view. Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Gateway, Compaq, HP, etc. etc. etc.

Bob want's a name brand computer, and name brand want's Bob as a happy customer.

90% of all of the tech support questions they receive are software problems. By including an OS, like Windows, they can better help their customers.

Talking someone through setting up their IP configuration in Vista is pretty darn simple.

Telling people how to type "sudo apt-get install whatever" is a bit more frustrating if the person mistypes, or didn't hear you correctly.

Windows is the most simple operating system to troubleshoot. PERIOD. And that's why it's bundled with new computers.

Don't believe me? Ask Dell when they sell a computer with Ubuntu on it, 36% of them are returned, and another 32% request an XP install disc. That's why Dell dropped support for Ubuntu.

well said!!!
and thanks for adding tech support on the list, I forgot that! :D
Ubuntu has be more user friendly, no more sudo this, sudo that!
Or at least should be optional to use (to be fair)

[mmix]

reactos is for everyone.

[windows-killer]

reactos is for everyone.
Please stay on topic

[Skripka]

Ubuntu has be more user friendly, no more sudo this, sudo that!
Or at least should be optional to use (to be fair)

Jeeeebus. Run your session as root then...but then don't complain when bad things happen. Security is a two way street. There's a difference between being "user-friendly" and destroying vital security features by being "incompetent friendly".

If someone is not comfortable with something as basic as sudo, they should NOT be administering a *nix system, and it is debatable whether they should be using a *nix system at all-since any system command ought to require super-user privledges, as a matter of security.

[HappinessNow]

so whats the point of this thread?
I know all linux users hate windows, thats competition.
Actually this thread isn't about not liking Windows at all; I like Windows XP fine, just as much as I like Apple OS X, Ubuntu or PC-BSD, it is simply an observation that Windows is NOT for everyone.

[windows-killer]

Actually this thread isn't about not liking Windows at all; I like Windows XP fine, just as much as I like Apple OS X, Ubuntu or PC-BSD, it is simply an observation that Windows is NOT for everyone.

if it comes to preferences you might be partially right.
when it comes to simplicity and ease of use then windows hands down.
I want ubuntu to be dead simple so I can start introducing it to people.

[stwschool]

I find tech support on Linux easier. GUI-based support is a pain as people move things around and can never find what you're looking for. CLI is easy. I tell them what to type, things are more precise. It's ****-easy to do stuff remotely too with linux and fix that way. So, no, Linux is easier.

[mamamia88]

if it comes to preferences you might be partially right.
when it comes to simplicity and ease of use then windows hands down.
I want ubuntu to be dead simple so I can start introducing it to people.

it is once everything is installed.

[mdsmedia]

if it comes to preferences you might be partially right.
when it comes to simplicity and ease of use then windows hands down.
I want ubuntu to be dead simple so I can start introducing it to people.
So you have no problem introducing people to Windows, even though people tend to get into as much trouble in Windows as they do in Ubuntu?

You missed the point of the post you quoted. Windows may be (for you) easier than Ubuntu, but Windows is NOT for everyone, just as Linux/Ubuntu is not for everyone and Mac OS is not for everyone.

You've expressed....ad-nauseum....what YOU think Ubuntu should be. Have you stopped to think why it isn't the perfect OS that you want?

[cariboo907]

The only reason Windows seems to be easier to use, is that most people have never used any other OS but Windows until they tried a Linux variant.

Nobody is born knowing how to use a computer. we all had to learn how to use one. If you are young enough, you probably grew up using Windows, so it really didn't seem like it took any time to learn how to use it.

Now trying to use Ubuntu we find that most of the things we learned running Windows just don't work.

[Lavaeagle]

That is quite frankly simply not true just like your signature. And yes I don't think Windows is very user friendly for me and find it frustrating sometimes having to use it, so just because my perception is different than yours that means I have some sort of hatred for Windows?


Well obviously yes that way anybody that doesn't want more than a standard Love or hate category can easily put you in one of those categories so that no more thinking is necessary.

[aysiu]

Don't believe me? Ask Dell when they sell a computer with Ubuntu on it, 36% of them are returned, and another 32% request an XP install disc. That's why Dell dropped support for Ubuntu. Actually, I don't believe you. Do you have a source you can cite for those statistics? Thanks.

[windows-killer]

I find tech support on Linux easier. GUI-based support is a pain as people move things around and can never find what you're looking for. CLI is easy. I tell them what to type, things are more precise. It's ****-easy to do stuff remotely too with linux and fix that way. So, no, Linux is easier.

Its called PREFERENCES my friend! you like the command line because its easier for you, and you use it everyday!
For me and the majority of the world its either hard/obsolete/useless
GUI is easier ecause you just click with the mouse. With CL you have to remember the correct command and if you are not connected to the internet you cant c/p from this site the commands you need.
I find it highly offensive when people like you suggest us (the regular computer users) to use the command line. It also gives me the impression that ubuntu is not user friendly, just because of the command line.

[windows-killer]

So you have no problem introducing people to Windows, even though people tend to get into as much trouble in Windows as they do in Ubuntu?

You missed the point of the post you quoted. Windows may be (for you) easier than Ubuntu, but Windows is NOT for everyone, just as Linux/Ubuntu is not for everyone and Mac OS is not for everyone.

You've expressed....ad-nauseum....what YOU think Ubuntu should be. Have you stopped to think why it isn't the perfect OS that you want?

if you are talking about windows security. At least on windows you can protect your pc from viruses. Windows may not be for everyone, but its for at least 90% of computer users out there. Majority rules. ubuntu is not perfect, I have explained my reasons in the previous pages.

[Arup]

Do you really think you can protect yourself from 0 day threats on Windows even though you have layered it with CPU and mem hogging AV, HIPS etc. I really don't think so, also MS has left many holes unpatched and from time to time they will make these admissions that they patched a 12 year old hole. Ubuntu may not be perfect but its far closer to perfection than Windows ever was or will be, all they do is market old wine in new bottle, except they manage to ruin the taste of that wine invariably.

[windows-killer]

Jeeeebus. Run your session as root then...but then don't complain when bad things happen. Security is a two way street. There's a difference between being "user-friendly" and destroying vital security features by being "incompetent friendly".

If someone is not comfortable with something as basic as sudo, they should NOT be administering a *nix system, and it is debatable whether they should be using a *nix system at all-since any system command ought to require super-user privledges, as a matter of security.

you didnt understand. I said sudo apt get- etc

[windows-killer]

The only reason Windows seems to be easier to use, is that most people have never used any other OS but Windows until they tried a Linux variant.

Nobody is born knowing how to use a computer. we all had to learn how to use one. If you are young enough, you probably grew up using Windows, so it really didn't seem like it took any time to learn how to use it.

Now trying to use Ubuntu we find that most of the things we learned running Windows just don't work.

Familiarity is not the problem at any age! I have my 54 year old uncle and when I gave him my OSX laptop he loved it! He found it easier than windows! He used windows since the old days btw.
When he tried ubuntu he found it hard to use for basic tasks compared to OSX and even windows.

[windows-killer]

Do you really think you can protect yourself from 0 day threats on Windows even though you have layered it with CPU and mem hogging AV, HIPS etc. I really don't think so, also MS has left many holes unpatched and from time to time they will make these admissions that they patched a 12 year old hole. Ubuntu may not be perfect but its far closer to perfection than Windows ever was or will be, all they do is market old wine in new bottle, except they manage to ruin the taste of that wine invariably.

ubuntu is far from perfect.
ubuntu is not even usable.
no REAL software available for it
no drivers available for it
no market share

[Chronon]

if you are talking about windows security. At least on windows you can protect your pc from viruses. Windows may not be for everyone, but its for at least 90% of computer users out there. Majority rules. ubuntu is not perfect, I have explained my reasons in the previous pages.

:confused:

Seriously?

[Chronon]

ubuntu is far from perfect.
ubuntu is not even usable.
no REAL software available for it
no drivers available for it
no market share

It seems you're just trolling now. Bye.

[windows-killer]

It seems you're just trolling now. Bye.

You know the above statements are true, but you are still defending it. you see I was expecting this from a die hard GPL fan.

[mdsmedia]

if you are talking about windows security. At least on windows you can protect your pc from viruses. Windows may not be for everyone, but its for at least 90% of computer users out there. Majority rules. ubuntu is not perfect, I have explained my reasons in the previous pages.
No, I'm not talking about security, although that comes into it.

The only real way to protect a Windows (or Linux) machine from Malware is through user education. Anti-virus software is reactive. There has to be a known virus to be protected against before anti-virus software is effective. Even with anti-virus software (and none of them is perfect) Windows can be infected.

I'm talking about KNOWING to defrag your computer regularly. I'm talking about cleaning a corrupted registry. I'm talking about users downloading and installing every little dodgy 3rd-party application which will slow your system down or corrupt it in other ways. All of these leading to having to reinstall Windows every so often.

Linux is not perfect but stop making it out to be so much more difficult than Windows. Windows slowing to a crawl is the one reason I ended up switching to Linux. Linux is easy to use if you stop thinking like a Windows user.

The point of the example given above, of CLI tech-support being easier than GUI was completely missed by you. You put it down to "preferences", but you forget that NO 2 people have the same menus setup. The CLI is far more consistant than the GUI from a tech-support point of view.

Again, just because YOU want Linux to be one way doesn't mean that everyone wants it the same way. And again, have you stopped to think why Linux/Ubuntu isn't the perfect system for YOU?

[3startuna]

Fixed that for you.

Actually he had it right. Windows is garbage


No, I'm not talking about security, although that comes into it.

The only real way to protect a Windows (or Linux) machine from Malware is through user education. Anti-virus software is reactive. There has to be a known virus to be protected against before anti-virus software is effective. Even with anti-virus software (and none of them is perfect) Windows can be infected.

I'm talking about KNOWING to defrag your computer regularly. I'm talking about cleaning a corrupted registry. I'm talking about users downloading and installing every little dodgy 3rd-party application which will slow your system down or corrupt it in other ways. All of these leading to having to reinstall Windows every so often.

Linux is not perfect but stop making it out to be so much more difficult than Windows. Windows slowing to a crawl is the one reason I ended up switching to Linux. Linux is easy to use if you stop thinking like a Windows user.

The point of the example given above, of CLI tech-support being easier than GUI was completely missed by you. You put it down to "preferences", but you forget that NO 2 people have the same menus setup. The CLI is far more consistant than the GUI from a tech-support point of view.

Again, just because YOU want Linux to be one way doesn't mean that everyone wants it the same way. And again, have you stopped to think why Linux/Ubuntu isn't the perfect system for YOU?

CHURCH!!!

[mdsmedia]

Familiarity is not the problem at any age! I have my 54 year old uncle and when I gave him my OSX laptop he loved it! He found it easier than windows! He used windows since the old days btw.
When he tried ubuntu he found it hard to use for basic tasks compared to OSX and even windows.
If familiarity is not the problem, then your uncle having used Windows "since the old days" of course wouldn't make a difference in familiarity, would it? Just because he found OS X "easier" than Windows?

Doesn't that simply mean that Windows isn't that easy, but he was familiar with Windows so Ubuntu was more difficult? OS X might have been easier than Windows, but that just means that OS X is inherantly easier to use than Windows.

BTW, you mentioned in another thread that he used OS X, then you "gave him an Ubuntu disk". Of course it's harder if you've got to install the OS first!!

[windows-killer]

No, I'm not talking about security, although that comes into it.

The only real way to protect a Windows (or Linux) machine from Malware is through user education. Anti-virus software is reactive. There has to be a known virus to be protected against before anti-virus software is effective. Even with anti-virus software (and none of them is perfect) Windows can be infected.

I'm talking about KNOWING to defrag your computer regularly. I'm talking about cleaning a corrupted registry. I'm talking about users downloading and installing every little dodgy 3rd-party application which will slow your system down or corrupt it in other ways. All of these leading to having to reinstall Windows every so often.

Linux is not perfect but stop making it out to be so much more difficult than Windows. Windows slowing to a crawl is the one reason I ended up switching to Linux. Linux is easy to use if you stop thinking like a Windows user.

The point of the example given above, of CLI tech-support being easier than GUI was completely missed by you. You put it down to "preferences", but you forget that NO 2 people have the same menus setup. The CLI is far more consistant than the GUI from a tech-support point of view.

Again, just because YOU want Linux to be one way doesn't mean that everyone wants it the same way. And again, have you stopped to think why Linux/Ubuntu isn't the perfect system for YOU?

there are tools for windows that do all the dirty work for you.
Many options in ubuntu are only accessible through the command line. I should have the CHOICE to use the GUI all the time if I wanted. Now thats not software FREEDOM at all! I am not given an option to use the GUI all the time, do you call this FREEDOM?

[mdsmedia]

ubuntu is far from perfect.
ubuntu is not even usable.
no REAL software available for it
no drivers available for it
no market share
Ubuntu is not perfect.
Ubuntu is extremely usable. If not, why have I, as a Linux newbie, used it almost exclusively for nearly 4 years?
What "REAL" software are you talking about? Like GIMP, Inkscape, Amarok, Scribus, OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution.....etc. etc. etc. If you're talking about Office or PhotoSHop, that's the fault of Microsoft and Adobe.
Linux has more out of the box driver support than Windows...period.
What does market share have to do with it?

I agree with the above poster. You're trolling.

[mdsmedia]

there are tools for windows that do all the dirty work for you.
Many options in ubuntu are only accessible through the command line. I should have the CHOICE to use the GUI all the time if I wanted. Now thats not software FREEDOM at all! I am not given an option to use the GUI all the time, do you call this FREEDOM?
I think you have no idea what software freedom is. You are free to take the CLI and put any GUI front end you like on it!! That's software FREEDOM my friend!!

There ARE tools to do the dirty work for you in Windows. But as an "average user" which ones work and which contribute to corrupting your system?

[3startuna]

if it comes to preferences you might be partially right.
when it comes to simplicity and ease of use then windows hands down.
I want ubuntu to be dead simple so I can start introducing it to people.


Wait whyt do you think windows is easier to use? Whats difficult in linux?

I think its the otherway around Linux is significantly easier to use and allows for greater efficiency.

Why do I say this? Windows is too constrained by its GUI.
Here's a classic example.

Computer A is running windows and internet explorer freezes. You click the X nothing happens, you ctrl-alt-del then select end program... nothing happens you ctrl-alt-del again after 5 mins task manager pops up with explorer.exe (not responding) then complete system freeze

You have to restart the computer, and lose a word document you were typing up.

Now look at the same thing in Linux

Computer B firefox freezes. Simple fix, try to X it "pop up "program not responding woulfd yopu like to force quit?" boom done.
If that doesnt work alt +f2 type xkill and select run in terminal, then just click the frozen window. Boom problem solved.


The beauty of linux is that you can switch to CLI easily and fix the problem. Windows explorer.exe crashes thats it for you.

[windows-killer]

Ubuntu is not perfect.
Ubuntu is extremely usable. If not, why have I, as a Linux newbie, used it almost exclusively for nearly 4 years?
What "REAL" software are you talking about? Like GIMP, Inkscape, Amarok, Scribus, OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution.....etc. etc. etc. If you're talking about Office or PhotoSHop, that's the fault of Microsoft and Adobe.
Linux has more out of the box driver support than Windows...period.
What does market share have to do with it?

I agree with the above poster. You're trolling.

average users expect everything to be GUI driven and they are right! I have the right to easily use my computer for all tasks. Ubuntu/Linux does not give me the right to do so!
The lack of third party software is because of YOU and others who discourage third party software devs and ask for their source code. I have witnessed this on software development forums as well as software requests by various people.
you and other open source fans making decisions like this, it affects my computing experience.
the new windows 7 works out of the box with other hardware.
Ubuntu needs marketing and market share! if ubuntu has more market share then we would expect more drivers and software ported to it, just like OSX.

thats common sense!

[windows-killer]

If familiarity is not the problem, then your uncle having used Windows "since the old days" of course wouldn't make a difference in familiarity, would it? Just because he found OS X "easier" than Windows?

Doesn't that simply mean that Windows isn't that easy, but he was familiar with Windows so Ubuntu was more difficult? OS X might have been easier than Windows, but that just means that OS X is inherantly easier to use than Windows.

BTW, you mentioned in another thread that he used OS X, then you "gave him an Ubuntu disk". Of course it's harder if you've got to install the OS first!!

I have given ubuntu CDs to many people and ubuntu failed the test.
I have also installed ubuntu on many computers and laptops, and again ubuntu failed the test. I have aksed people why they didnt like it and they explained all the things I wrote about user friendliness above. to much command line etc
btw my uncle still has his xp and he likes it, but he fell in love with OSX because its easier and has third party apps that he has on windows.

[3startuna]

if you are talking about windows security. At least on windows you can protect your pc from viruses.

I lol'd

[windows-killer]

Wait whyt do you think windows is easier to use? Whats difficult in linux?

I think its the otherway around Linux is significantly easier to use and allows for greater efficiency.

Why do I say this? Windows is too constrained by its GUI.
Here's a classic example.

Computer A is running windows and internet explorer freezes. You click the X nothing happens, you ctrl-alt-del then select end program... nothing happens you ctrl-alt-del again after 5 mins task manager pops up with explorer.exe (not responding) then complete system freeze

You have to restart the computer, and lose a word document you were typing up.

Now look at the same thing in Linux

Computer B firefox freezes. Simple fix, try to X it "pop up "program not responding woulfd yopu like to force quit?" boom done.
If that doesnt work alt +f2 type xkill and select run in terminal, then just click the frozen window. Boom problem solved.


The beauty of linux is that you can switch to CLI easily and fix the problem. Windows explorer.exe crashes thats it for you.

Do you call this user friendliness? I wouldn't! I better lose my important documents rather than using the command line. Because I know am gonna get a headache anyway.

[windows-killer]

alt +f2 type xkill and select run in terminal

I LoLed at that too.
thats so geeky and nerdy ewww!!!
thats so classic!

[mdsmedia]

Do you call this user friendliness? I wouldn't! I better lose my important documents rather than using the command line. Because I know am gonna get a headache anyway.
Are we re-defining user-friendliness now? It's more user friendly to have your system freeze up and have to reboot than being able to fix it with a simple alt-f2 - xkill - click?

You'd rather lose documents than simply kill a frozen app?

That's user friendliness?

Or are you simply trying to argue that CLI is bad and you'd rather have the problems not be fixed than be able to fix them via CLI?

Either way, I can't make sense of your arguments, considering you're trying to champion user-friendliness.

[3startuna]

Do you call this user friendliness? Actually yes. For something to be user friendly you have to first be able to use it, And when windows crashes your up s creak



I wouldn't! I better lose my important documents rather than using the command line. Because I know am gonna get a headache anyway.

LOLOLOLOL dude try that command right now.

alt+ F2
type "xkill"
there is a little combo box beside "run in terminal" check that box then press enter.

Your mouse pointer will turn into a little X then just click any window.

See what happens. Try it

I think your saying the stuff your saying because you just dont know what linux is capable of.

Linux haas so much cool little short cuts.

Want to run a program, "alt+f2 type the name odf the program and enter.

This little command is the one command I use the most for everything.

[3startuna]

LOL unplug the mouse for a windows PC and see how much you can get done, Do the same to a linux user and see if he gets annoyed or even notices LOLOLOL

Say something bad happens to your computer and you cant boot into the OS. On a windows PC you will need to popm in the windows CD and do system restore or format and fresj install.

On a linux machine pop in the linux CD run Live CD use your computer like nothing, or fix your machine or backup everything.

Now say you need to do a fresh install. With windows after install your gonna have to have to hunt down all your drivers, 3rd party programs. With linux, simply copy your /archive folder, when you do your reinstall, all your programs drivers etc will be there.

Thats the beauty of linux flexibility man. Open your mind and let the ubuntu flow through you

Im building a website. the way how llinux saves file names makes it super easy to copy the entire website to my vps without having to change any of my codes.

example I have images on the site. On a windows machine the path would bec:/site/img.png on linux its /site/img.png might not sound like a big issue but it significantly simplifies uploading the website from my local machine to my server.

[HappinessNow]

I LoLed at that too.
thats so geeky and nerdy ewww!!!
thats so classic!
windows-killer how can say it in a kind way? your tangent almost seems like hijacking a thread but I don't know? I read tons of post and responses mainly solicited to or from you with reference to some other thread, which I know nothing of. After reading through from beginning to end I have almost forgotten what my original post was about.

[Viva]

Actually yes. For something to be user friendly you have to first be able to use it, And when windows crashes your up s creak




LOLOLOLOL dude try that command right now.

alt+ F2
type "xkill"
there is a little combo box beside "run in terminal" check that box then press enter.

Your mouse pointer will turn into a little X then just click any window.

See what happens. Try it

I think your saying the stuff your saying because you just dont know what linux is capable of.

Linux haas so much cool little short cuts.

Want to run a program, "alt+f2 type the name odf the program and enter.

This little command is the one command I use the most for everything.

He can also add the gnome-panel applet if he wants a GUI.
Right Click on the gnome panel and Add the force quit applet. Whenever you want to kill a window, just click on the applet and then the window you want to kill.

[Mornedhel]

average users expect everything to be GUI driven and they are right! I have the right to easily use my computer for all tasks. Ubuntu/Linux does not give me the right to do so!
The lack of third party software is because of YOU and others who discourage third party software devs and ask for their source code. I have witnessed this on software development forums as well as software requests by various people.
you and other open source fans making decisions like this, it affects my computing experience.
the new windows 7 works out of the box with other hardware.
Ubuntu needs marketing and market share! if ubuntu has more market share then we would expect more drivers and software ported to it, just like OSX.

thats common sense!

A RIGHT ? You think that's a RIGHT ?

Free speech is a RIGHT. Having a GUI for administration tasks in a free OS is certainly NOT a RIGHT.

Third party closed software is not common on Linux because the software developers write code to make money, and don't have an incentive to develop for Linux. Sometimes it's not even that, it's that they're too lazy to port it even when it would be easy (it may be hard, but not in all cases). I'm not asking for the source code, I'm asking for a frakking PORT.

Troll.

[Viva]

I've heard this "force others to open source their code" argument from windows-killer several times. I have to say, I've never encountered anybody who forced others to release their source code or even tried to on this forum.

[starcannon]

Windows is fine for those who can afford it; no, I don't mean the price of the OS, I mean the price of maintaining the OS. After buying decent AV subscriptions, and most of the other software you would want/need to use, it starts getting expensive; add to that the cost of taking it to a professional for those pesky viri or malware that your AV subscription just can't seem to handle, and it gets even more expensive, and it adds up fast.

Windows is not for everyone, its for those who have the time and money to take care of it. Windows is not bad or evil, its software, and as far as I know, software has no bias towards good or evil. The corporation that produces it may be shady, but that is not the software, and that is another subject.

And not ALL Linux users hate Windows, and not even all Linux users hate Microsoft; to say otherwise is bad logic, and will not hold up.

GL and HF

[Skripka]

average users expect everything to be GUI driven and they are right! I have the right to easily use my computer for all tasks. Ubuntu/Linux does not give me the right to do so!
The lack of third party software is because of YOU and others who discourage third party software devs and ask for their source code. I have witnessed this on software development forums as well as software requests by various people.
you and other open source fans making decisions like this, it affects my computing experience.
the new windows 7 works out of the box with other hardware.
Ubuntu needs marketing and market share! if ubuntu has more market share then we would expect more drivers and software ported to it, just like OSX.

thats common sense!

Good grief.

You "average" computer user can barely turn the box on and use Internet Explorer. Your average user takes advantage of the lack of Sudo, by infecting their computer with malicious code within minutes of browsing.

I sure as heck don't want "average" computer users on Linux. There are enough clueless idiots I have to put up in real life, without seeing them hijacking Linux projects.

[Tibuda]

you didnt understand. I said sudo apt get- etc

At least you gave an example of a CLI command! You know you can use the Add/remove application or Synaptic (http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installingsoftware) instead of "sudo apt-get"?

[Grenage]

Seriously, people; why are you even bothering with such a dim troll?

[RiceMonster]

Seriously, people; why are you even bothering with such a dim troll?

He's been trolling with the same topic for ages too. This isn't the first time. Wouldn't he get bored?

[Viva]

He's been trolling with the same topic for ages too. This isn't the first time. Wouldn't he get bored?

I thought he was just ignorant at first, but he keeps on ignoring any posts that rebut his points. And I've recently come across one of his rants about GPL where he said he preferred the BSD license. *cough* linsux.org *cough*

[MichealH]

ubuntu is far from perfect.
ubuntu is not even usable.
no REAL software available for it
no drivers available for it
no market share

Its usable when you actually grasp why It may not be a "perfect" OS lets face it a 12 year old could even build a linux system. take watt os its based on ubuntu and all we care it could be built by idiots!

[Michael.Godawski]

This thread has lost direction. Closing it.