Do moderators ban people permanently?

[rajeev1204]

Hi all mods

I just feel that unless it is spam or something similar,no user should be banned permanently.

Everyone should have a chance at redemption.Its really heartbreaking to see users who after contributing so much have to leave just because of one thread or two.




regards
rajeev

[John.Michael.Kane]

IMHO, I do not think the staff ban people prematurely, I think it is a culmination of events that span over time which might seem short, and possibly due things that happen in the background that are out of view.

With regards to redemption, There are avenues that a user can take to make their case on why they should be allowed back.

Note: If I am wrong a staff member will probably post a correction.

[Tipped OuT]

IMHO, I do not think the staff ban people permanently, I think it is a culmination of events that span over time which might seem short, and possibly due things that happen in the background that are out of view.

With regards to redemption, There are avenues that a user can take to make their case on why they should be allowed back.

Note: If I am wrong a staff member will probably post a correction.

No, I believe you're 100% correct.

[Shpongle]

yea i agree with yous on this , i dont think a person should be banned if they have made a particular post which a mod doesn't like, the fact is a mod can be biased in his / her opinion , it should be only for reasons of racism or discrimination or hurtful or offending comments that a user would get temporarily banned

[Tipped OuT]

yea i agree with yous on this , i dont think a person should be banned if they have made a particular post which a mod doesn't like, the fact is a mod can be biased in his / her opinion , it should be only for reasons of racism or discrimination or hurtful or offending comments that a user would get temporarily banned

As far as I know, no user has ever been banned for such a thing. If he was banned for something like that, then there was probably more of a reason to ban him, that we don't see, that's happening in the background.

I don't know, I think I'm just going to wait for a mod to handle this.

TT.

[Joeb454]

Any infractions or bans that are issued by the staff are copied into a staff only forum.

So lets say for example, that I issue an infraction to userXYZ, however another staff member disagree's with it, they will mention it either via PM or the staff forum, where it then gets discussed, and reversed if appropriate

[philcamlin]

id be really mad if someone banned someone for something they did one time

i remember hezbollah or somethign spammed the forums with "innapropriate content" and he got banned

:popcorn:

they will take it until its really mean or something then theyr gone

[cariboo907]

The only people that get permanently banned have their beans burnt, any one elese that gets banned without getting their beans burnt can start a thread in the resolution center to have the ban lifted, or if they don't get satisfaction there, they can request that the Forum Council reinstate them.

[KiwiNZ]

The short answer is yes , some members end up with permanent bans as a result of their actions.

[bodhi.zazen]

I will speak in very general terms.

There is behavior, spam and vulgar posts, which most people would agree should result in a ban from these forums outright, and this happens.

Other then the most blatant of transgressions, we give users the benefit of the doubt. We understand everyone has a bad day and it is easy to min-interpret ones intention from written forums posts. Sometimes people take "jokes" or off color language the wrong way. In these events we try to clarify, in private, a members intentions and advise them on the ways of the CoC.

In these cases we typically give people polite PM , warnings, or infractions. This is done out of sight so as not to embarrass anybody.

Most of the time we receive a very positive response and in the vast majority of times people understand and are willing to comply with the CoC and we are able to maintain the type of community we think is best.

If there is an action taken by the staff there are many avenues to remedy the situation. Sometimes staff make mistakes, and actions of the staff are then reversed.

The first line is the Resolution Center. Be sure to give a justification for why you feel a mistake was make, and direct links to posts are appreciated (so we, as staff, do not have to go searching, or worse do not find the post you are asking about).

Second is the FC and then the CC. See the (public) wiki pages for an agenda, meeting times, and instructions on how you can add yourself to the agenda.

Please bear in mind, if you are not directly involved, you simply do not have all the information. If you are reading posts in the resolution center keep in mind staff have access to PM and jailed posts that you will almost certainly never see. This is not secret information and is available for review , by the FC and CC, but is not "public record" and the resolution center is not a court of law.

Keep in mind, the first line of defense in most any case is denial. Do not blindly believe such frank denials, :lolflag:

Sometimes people post their side of the story on personal blogs and they are certainly entitled to do so. But again you are only seeing one side of the story and we certainly do not stalk people on the internet and publish our side of the story.

Overall the process is as transparent as possible. Do not expect to see

troll vulgar maximums - "Why me banned ?"
staff - Because you posted this [insert pr0n or vulgar language]
troll vulgar maximums - " ***$$%&*@# "any time soon.

Once it become obvious to the staff that a user has no intention of modifying his or her posting style and agree to follow the CoC they are banned.

Usually the do not come back and ask to come back to the (forums) community, but the FC has listened to such requests and will consider each on a case-by-case basis.

Overall the process is very fair and seems to work as I think these forms are very busy and have a reputation for being friendly and helpful.

If you have a specific question about your account, feel free to ask, here or in the resolution center. I am sorry, we do not discuss private information or accounts of other users with you.

[Sidewinder1]

As an aside:
I read the Resolution Center regularly; I find it to be very informative and sometimes entertaining :-) . It certainly appears to me that the Mods. try to be as fair and unbiased as possible. Ie: when someone is issued a warning or infraction by "Mod A.", if the OP disagrees, "Mod A." will recuse him/herself and let the other Mods determine if the warning/infraction was justified. As a rule, if everyone tries to keep their emotions in check (not always easy), most issues are resolved amicably; at least, that has been my impression.

Side

[p_quarles]

The only people that get permanently banned have their beans burnt, any one elese that gets banned without getting their beans burnt can start a thread in the resolution center to have the ban lifted, or if they don't get satisfaction there, they can request that the Forum Council reinstate them.

Perhaps it's changed since I resigned as a moderater (shortly before you joined as one), but that wasn't true then: anyone banned through either the admincp or via 15 infraction points should go through the Forum Council to clear up any possible misunderstandings. Those were the rules then and now, as far as I can tell.

Anyway, point is: the permanency of your ban depends more on the consensus of the staff than it does on the rank of the person who banned you.

[bodhi.zazen]

It has not really changed p_q .