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grubnoob
July 21st, 2009, 11:24 AM
I had a little dream where I installed Ubuntu (9.04, 64-biy) without any fuss. In this dream I would learn to use Ubuntu, including those cool terminal commands which don't make any sense to me. In this dream my computer was Windows free, just good old Ubuntu. But a piece of code called GRUB doesn't share this dream. So now I'm stuck with a fresh Ubuntu install on a dedicated 80 GB harddisk with a boot loader that doesn't know how to boot one operating system.

I have six harddisks installed on my computer. Two are IDE drives, 80 and 200 GB, and the remaining four are SATA. The 7th drive is my DVD drive connected to the computer via a SATA controller card.

The boot order according to my BIOS is the 80 GB IDE and then the DVD-drive.

I've followed some tutorials but they are not helping me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945 and http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5134.html were followed in vain. I don't understand the sda1, hda1, hd0, etc. etc. so I probably made wrong changes. Still have the same error though. So I need specific guidelines for my specific situation. Is there anyone who knows for sure how to help me solve this problem?

I'd be glad to provide you with any information you require through the Live CD, as long as I get the step-by-step instructions should they involve the terminal commands.

presence1960
July 21st, 2009, 11:44 AM
to get a clearer picture of your setup boot off the live CD & download to your desktop the Boot Info Script 0.32 from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/files/
Once downloaded to desktop open a terminal and run this command
sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script*.sh
This will produce a RESULTS.txt file on your desktop. Paste the entire contents of that file back here. After pasting here be sure to highlight all text and then click the # sign to place code tags around the text. This info will show us exactly what you have . Also can you look in BIOS and list the boot order of your hard disks in BIOS please.

P.S. If your disk with Ubuntu is plugged into the sata controller card that won't work, it must be plugged into the motherboard for it to boot. I know you said you have an IDE 80 GB drive, but with all those HDD there is the chance you have another 80 GB drive. Either way the disk that has Ubuntu on it must be plugged directly into a motherboard IDE or Sata socket.

grubnoob
July 22nd, 2009, 09:12 AM
Sorry for taking such a long time with the answer, my internet was down. Here are the results. I won't be in for a couple of hours. But I'll get back as soon as I can.


============================= Boot Info Summary: ==============================

=> Grub0.97 is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda and looks on boot drive #5 in
partition #1 for /boot/grub/stage2 and /boot/grub/menu.lst.
=> No boot loader is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdb
=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdc
=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdd
=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sde
=> Windows is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdf

sda1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

sdb1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

sdc1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

sdd1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

sde1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext3
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System: Ubuntu 9.04
Boot files/dirs: /boot/grub/menu.lst /etc/fstab

sdf1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

=========================== Drive/Partition Info: =============================

Drive: sda ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0cb60cb5

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sda1 * 63 976,768,064 976,768,002 7 HPFS/NTFS


Drive: sdb ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x37d237d1

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sdb1 63 976,768,064 976,768,002 7 HPFS/NTFS


Drive: sdc ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x3e975627

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sdc1 63 1,953,520,064 1,953,520,002 7 HPFS/NTFS


Drive: sdd ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sdd: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x3de0082c

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sdd1 63 1,953,520,064 1,953,520,002 7 HPFS/NTFS


Drive: sde ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sde: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders, total 156301488 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xb108b6ed

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sde1 63 156,296,384 156,296,322 83 Linux


Drive: sdf ___________________ __________________________________________________ ___

Disk /dev/sdf: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders, total 390721968 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xb7b156d4

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sdf1 63 390,716,864 390,716,802 7 HPFS/NTFS


blkid -c /dev/null: __________________________________________________ __________

/dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/sda1: UUID="725BDE7FFF5BE387" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sdb1: UUID="9014CEC314CEAB92" LABEL="w" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sdc1: UUID="92B8C397B8C3786D" LABEL="s" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sdd1: UUID="0C3C2E713C2E55CC" LABEL="h" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sde1: UUID="180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sdf1: UUID="F8143EA9143E6B30" TYPE="ntfs"

=============================== "mount" output: ===============================

proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/sr0 on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro,noatime)
/dev/loop0 on /rofs type squashfs (ro,noatime)
fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/ubuntu/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=ubuntu)


=========================== sde1/boot/grub/menu.lst: ===========================

# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
# grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
# grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
# and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default 0

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout 3

## hiddenmenu
# Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
hiddenmenu

# Pretty colours
#color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
# password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root (hd0,1)
# makeactive
# chainloader +1
#
# title Linux
# root (hd0,1)
# kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=UUID=180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c ro

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
## alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
## lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
## lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
## altoptions=(recovery) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
## howmany=7
# howmany=all

## specify if running in Xen domU or have grub detect automatically
## update-grub will ignore non-xen kernels when running in domU and vice versa
## e.g. indomU=detect
## indomU=true
## indomU=false
# indomU=detect

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
## memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic
uuid 180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
quiet

title Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic (recovery mode)
uuid 180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=UUID=180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic

title Ubuntu 9.04, memtest86+
uuid 180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

=============================== sde1/etc/fstab: ===============================

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'vol_id --uuid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# / was on /dev/sde1 during installation
UUID=180457e1-b1ab-4f22-83f9-7d0f5088a00c / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0

=================== sde1: Location of files loaded by Grub: ===================


23.9GB: boot/grub/menu.lst
23.9GB: boot/grub/stage2
23.9GB: boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
23.9GB: boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
23.9GB: initrd.img
23.9GB: vmlinuz

presence1960
July 22nd, 2009, 11:29 AM
What is the boot order of your hard disks in BIOS? I am assuming you can boot into Ubuntu but not windows because you have no windows entry in your menu.lst & no boot files or directory for windows on any of your hard disks. Below is a snippet of my RESULTS.txt file showing what a good windows entry looks like. Get back with that info please and a description of what won't boot for you. I will be in work today so I won't be back until the evening. Post back the info please.


=> Grub0.97 is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda and looks on the same drive
in partition #5 for /boot/grub/stage2 and /boot/grub/menu.lst.
=> Grub0.97 is installed in the MBR of /dev/sdb and looks on the same drive
in partition #1 for /boot/grub/stage2 and /boot/grub/menu.lst.

sda1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: Extended Partition
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

sda5: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext4
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System: Ubuntu 9.04
Boot files/dirs: /boot/grub/menu.lst /etc/fstab

sda6: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: swap
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

sda2: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System: Windows Vista
Boot files/dirs: /bootmgr /Boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe

sda3: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows Vista
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

sdb1: __________________________________________________ _______________________

File system: ext3
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System:
Boot files/dirs:

Note the entry in red. Windows is installed on sda2 and has bootfiles/dir. Yours is missing. I need an exact description of which OS won't boot and the exact order of your hard disk boot order in BIOS.

grubnoob
July 22nd, 2009, 07:00 PM
I have only one OS installed on my computer and it's Ubuntu on the 80 GB harddisk with ext3. The other harddisks are with NTFS but they are for storing my files. The order of my harddrive in the BIOS is:

1) IDE1 Master: 80 GB
2) IDE1 Slave: 200 GB
and then the remaining are SATA drives...

Where do I need to make changes for GRUB to boot Ubuntu?

presence1960
July 23rd, 2009, 12:50 AM
I have only one OS installed on my computer and it's Ubuntu on the 80 GB harddisk with ext3. The other harddisks are with NTFS but they are for storing my files. The order of my harddrive in the BIOS is:

1) IDE1 Master: 80 GB
2) IDE1 Slave: 200 GB
and then the remaining are SATA drives...

Where do I need to make changes for GRUB to boot Ubuntu?

linux is on sde (80GB) which is set to boot first in your boot order in BIOS, but you have GRUB installed to sda. So when you boot your machine GRUB will not load because sde is set to boot first. You want to restore GRUB to sde so when you boot GRUB will take over. Do this:


1. Boot your computer up with Ubuntu CD
2. Open a terminal window or switch to a tty.
3. Type sudo grub. Should get text of which last line is grub>
4. Type "find /boot/grub/stage1". You'll get a response like "(hd4,0)".
Use whatever your computer spits out for the following lines.
5. Type "root (hd4,0)", or whatever your hard disk + boot partition
numbers are for Ubuntu.
6. Type "setup (hd4)", to install GRUB to MBR
7. Quit grub by typing "quit".
8. Reboot and remove the bootable CD.

This should get you good to go. Numbering for drives and partitions start at 0 for GRUB. The first partition on the first disk = (hd0,0) the second partition on the first disk = (hd0,1), etc. The first partition on the second disk = (hd1,0), the second partition on the second disk = (hd1,1),etc. I think you get the idea. Ubuntu is on sde (hd4) on the first partition hence (hd4,0) for ubuntu.

Did you ever consider converting some of those storage drives to ext3 and maybe leave 1 or 2 as NTFS?

grubnoob
July 23rd, 2009, 07:21 AM
I was thinking about converting them eventually, it'll take some cleaning though. Throwing out garbage, moving around the keeping stuff then formatting. But it will happend I'm sure.

About GRUB... Dude, it works!!! Last time I tried to install Ubuntu was about a year ago. I had the same problem but I just gave up and didn't give it a go. I really appreciate your help!

presence1960
July 23rd, 2009, 11:24 AM
I was thinking about converting them eventually, it'll take some cleaning though. Throwing out garbage, moving around the keeping stuff then formatting. But it will happend I'm sure.

About GRUB... Dude, it works!!! Last time I tried to install Ubuntu was about a year ago. I had the same problem but I just gave up and didn't give it a go. I really appreciate your help!

Glad you got it working...enjoy Ubuntu!

presence1960
July 23rd, 2009, 11:30 AM
Next time you install Ubuntu, when you get to the window "Ready to install" click the advanced button. Then choose which hard drive to install GRUB to. In your present setup you would choose sde to install GRUB to MBR of that drive. See attached screenshot.

grubnoob
July 23rd, 2009, 07:33 PM
I think I understand now, thanks for the latter post.

Amazing with the forums. You're probably sitting in a different country now, yet we were able to solve this. The internetz is just awesome :)

Thank you, not only for solving my problem but also for telling me how to avoid it!