kubuntu is still krap...

[nolliecrooked]

4.2.4 is naiminen useless. konqueror still screws up. plasmoids still crash. SIGEV faults....

[EnGorDiaz]

4.2.4 is naiminen useless. konqueror still screws up. plasmoids still crash. SIGEV faults....

i agreee dont try using kubuntu with ati also it ******** sucks

[nolliecrooked]

i agreee dont try using kubuntu with ati also it ******** sucks

lol. yeah, I know.

[moster]

Can somebody please explain WHY are they doing that. With KDE 4 release thay start everything from begining. Where is sense in that? And what is next. When they eventually do polish KDE 4 they will start on KDE 5 and start all over again?!

Maybe they should just unite with Gnome and stop dividing our still small community. Sorry if someone understand this as offense, it is not meant to be.

[caravel]

Maybe they should just unite with Gnome and stop dividing our still small community.
It's not "division", it's called "choice". If KDE and gnome "unite", (not really possible as the projects are too diverse) there is less choice. Also KDE and gnome are not the only window managers available. Should all of these unite as well?

In fact I have a great idea: I think we should unite the whole lot in a single distro called "Canonicalsoft Ubindows" and get rid of the stuff we don't want. Next we'll keep the source code secret to prevent people from copying and deviating from the new accepted standard software. Then we'll start charging users a licence fee for this software's use. I mean why should it be free? I bet no ones thought of that before eh...? :p

[keplerspeed]

Excellent point Caravel...

[moster]

It's not "division", it's called "choice". If KDE and gnome "unite", (not really possible as the projects are too diverse) there is less choice. Also KDE and gnome are not the only window managers available. Should all of these unite as well?

In fact I have a great idea: I think we should unite the whole lot in a single distro called "Canonicalsoft Ubindows" and get rid of the stuff we don't want. Next we'll keep the source code secret to prevent people from copying and deviating from the new accepted standard software. Then we'll start charging users a licence fee for this software's use. I mean why should it be free? I bet no ones thought of that before eh...? :p

AAAhh, I did not mean in that way... Of course when you said like that it look silly. I meant join forces in sense of some standards. KDE have QT Gnome GTK then there is mono... Of course, I as end user must have all that on my computer if I wish to run all Linux programs, and we are one step closer to windows bloat. Do not let microsoft "divide and conquer" us :(

[caravel]

Personally I've never needed to install qt, though if I needed to I might (though there is the small matter of qt's licence). In reality it's not qt or gtk that add the "bloat" it's the window managers themselves, though default gnome is much more lightweight that Ubuntu's gnome, whereas KDE is inescapably heavyweight however you look at it. It all depends on what you want though.

It's not a matter of "divide and conquer". GNU/Linux by nature is made up of many individual components from different sources. It is it's very nature that makes it strong.

[moster]

Well I see confusion for users and burden for developers and without standard package managment you get complete mess. Ok, we do not agree, you see strength in differences.. I just want that something is changed on desktop so linux gain boost already. That is all.

[Gone fishing]

I've tried to like kde 4.2 but failed and my kids thought it was ugly - but things move fast in Linux maybe in a year it will be better than gnome

[kellemes]

4.2.4 is naiminen useless. konqueror still screws up. plasmoids still crash. SIGEV faults....

Using it without issues, Konqueror I don't use myself but I find KDE getting back on track with this release. I'm actually very impressed.

i agreee dont try using kubuntu with ati also it ******** sucks
Nothing informative in this statement.
Sounds to me like a problem with the user instead of the system.

I'm a long time ATI-user and haven't experienced more graphics-related trouble with a KDE-based system as with Gnome.

Edit: You may like or dislike some wm/dm/distro, fact of the matter is it's this diversity that makes GNU/Linux stand out from the rest and simply yelling some crappy statement like *title of thread* doesn't help GNU/Linux at all.
Instead you could try to make Kubuntu better by reporting bugs or give feedback some other 'constructive' way.

[Tews]

4.2.4 is naiminen useless. konqueror still screws up. plasmoids still crash. SIGEV faults....

Then dont use it ...Duh!

[Bios Element]

Can somebody please explain WHY are they doing that. With KDE 4 release thay start everything from begining. Where is sense in that? And what is next. When they eventually do polish KDE 4 they will start on KDE 5 and start all over again?!

Maybe they should just unite with Gnome and stop dividing our still small community. Sorry if someone understand this as offense, it is not meant to be.

To annoy you.



Or perhaps it's to improve the base code and make it easier to improve on so they won't have to do it again in the future? Heaven forbid they wanted to clean the code base up and make it easier to work on. No doubt it's a bad thing that they're removing bloat, improving speed and generally making the continued development easier for years to come.

They can't win for losing.

[SuperSonic4]

When I was running kubuntu 9.04 (albeit for a few hours) it seemed to work well, not perfect but it did the job and then some. Is there any reason you're choosing Kubuntu for KDE? There are better ones such as kdemod, mandriva, suse and fedora to name a few

[nolliecrooked]

When I was running kubuntu 9.04 (albeit for a few hours) it seemed to work well, not perfect but it did the job and then some. Is there any reason you're choosing Kubuntu for KDE? There are better ones such as kdemod, mandriva, suse and fedora to name a few

who is this aimed at?

[SuperSonic4]

Anyone who wanted to read it I suppose but mostly the OP (you)

[nolliecrooked]

Anyone who wanted to read it I suppose but mostly the OP (you)

Ive tried all those distros except kdemod, but I always come back to Kubuntu to see whats going on with KDE4. I really dont like Fedora. openSUSE can never recognise my graphics setup. single, or SLI. Mandriva is pretty sweet, but it dosent seem to like my DVD-ROM for w/e reason.

anyways Im hardcore GNOME, so yea, I only look at whats going on with KDE4, I still cant take it seriously as a DE.

[HappyFeet]

I still cant take it seriously as a DE.

Same here. I would never even think of installing KDE4 on anyone's computer. Hopefully someday it will be ready. But for those that like it, enjoy!

[nolliecrooked]

why has a Testimonial been moved to Recurring Discussion? (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=302)

[SunnyRabbiera]

I dunno, for me Kubuntu 9.04 runs better then ubuntu 9.04...
Not by much I admit but still, also packagekit is better then adept (though i still prefer synaptic over both of them)

[DeadSuperHero]

They have 4.3 packages in Kubuntu Karmic. It's still in Alpha, but 4.3's software is brilliant quality.

[SunnyRabbiera]

They have 4.3 packages in Kubuntu Karmic. It's still in Alpha, but 4.3's software is brilliant quality.

4.3 is very promising indeed, it seems each release of KDE4 is eons ahead of the previous KDE4 release.
4.0 was just plain crap, 4.1 was almost usable, 4.2 is practically where KDE3 was and no doubt KDE 4.3 will surpass KDE 4.2 in every way.
I really like KDE 4.2, its definitely leaps above 4.1 and 4.0 and I eagerly wait for KDE 4.3.
Of course KDE 4.2 is still not up to KDE3's level but its close.

[Sublime Porte]

Maybe they should just unite with Gnome and stop dividing our still small community. Sorry if someone understand this as offense, it is not meant to be.Since KDE was around before Gnome, and Gnome was actually created by people who didn't wanna use KDE because of it's licensing at the time (it's now fully open source), asking KDE to stop dividing the community and unite with Gnome is a bit rich.

I don't take it as offense, and I know you didn't mean it that way, but it does appear you don't know much about the history of the two Desktop Environments, as if you did, you'd know KDE pre-dates Gnome, and hasn't come along to divide anything.

[lykwydchykyn]

Personally I've never needed to install qt, though if I needed to I might (though there is the small matter of qt's licence).

?
What is wrong with it's license again?

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?
What is wrong with it's license again?

Yeah that's all sorted now. I'm pretty sure it's released under the LGPL now, and only under a commercial license if you don't want to use the LGPL.

[praveesh]

It is not the problem of KDE . It is the problem of KUbuntu . It is the problem of their implementation of KDE. I have used OpenSUSE with Kde 4.1 . I didn't notice any bugs in it , but on the other hand , KUbuntu 8.10 with Kde 4.1 was full of bugs . It was not useable . I removed it and reinstalled OpenSUSE.

[lykwydchykyn]

Yeah that's all sorted now. I'm pretty sure it's released under the LGPL now, and only under a commercial license if you don't want to use the LGPL.

Actually, triple licensed now: commercial, lgpl v2, and gpl v3.

I just wonder what Qt has to do before the "licensing problems" myth will die.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Actually, triple licensed now: commercial, lgpl v2, and gpl v3.

I just wonder what Qt has to do before the "licensing problems" myth will die.

Yeh I dont know either, QT is 100% free right now because with the latest QT license even commercial apps can use it for free pretty soon so I heard.

[ad_267]

Yeh I dont know either, QT is 100% free right now because with the latest QT license even commercial apps can use it for free pretty soon so I heard.

Yeah commercial applications can license it under LGPL (or GPL if they really want). They only have to use the commercial license if they don't want to use the LGPL. That's my understanding anways.

[wolfdale]

Putting in my 2 cents, I think Mandriva 2009.1 is the best implementation of KDE 4.2. I installed both Mandriva and Kubuntu and tried several times to configure Kubuntu to look like Mandriva which I couldn't. I was also amazed by the number of bugs I encountered with Kubuntu (GUI lockups, won't come out of standby, lost file dependency issues). Mandriva was far more stable. I gave up on Kubuntu and reloaded Ubuntu (along with Mandriva). KDE 4.2 look promising. I wanted to become familiar with both desktops so that when the time come for a Gnome overhaul and it is unstable, hopefully I can rely on a stable version of KDE.

[Polaris96]

Just drove a spike through kde 4.2. I gave it an honest months' try. Justnothappening.

Best way to reinstall if you're going RAID, btw, seems to be using the kubuntu alternate install cd but tweaking it (F4) to only install a terminal system.
Then use a terminal browser to get the pearson deb dope and apt-get it onto a "prisitine" base system. I couldn't ever completely remove Kde4's malignancy from my harddrive once it had been loaded, and Pearson's live cd doesn't handle Raid.

[starcannon]

Lol, life is strange; I just began my 3 month self test with Kubuntu today.
So far its beautiful, after a very slight getting to know you phase with getting the Nvidia gpu driver installed, all is right in my Kubuntu world; indeed, it may now be my desktop distro of choice... we'll see how I feel about it after the "new" has worn off and the warts begin to show. For now, so far, so awesome.

[CJ Master]

Putting in my 2 cents, I think Mandriva 2009.1 is the best implementation of KDE 4.2. I installed both Mandriva and Kubuntu and tried several times to configure Kubuntu to look like Mandriva which I couldn't. I was also amazed by the number of bugs I encountered with Kubuntu (GUI lockups, won't come out of standby, lost file dependency issues). Mandriva was far more stable. I gave up on Kubuntu and reloaded Ubuntu (along with Mandriva). KDE 4.2 look promising. I wanted to become familiar with both desktops so that when the time come for a Gnome overhaul and it is unstable, hopefully I can rely on a stable version of KDE.

You don't know the best implantation of KDE until you use KDEmod. Serious <3 for it.

[Bigtime_Scrub]

Can somebody please explain WHY are they doing that. With KDE 4 release thay start everything from begining. Where is sense in that? And what is next. When they eventually do polish KDE 4 they will start on KDE 5 and start all over again?!

Maybe they should just unite with Gnome and stop dividing our still small community. Sorry if someone understand this as offense, it is not meant to be.

That's probably not a bad idea. Too bad it would never happen though.

While we are at it, it would be nice to see a standardized packaging format too across all the distros. Just pick one...rpm or .deb and stick with it so people can stop wasting time, energy, and resources porting everything over to other distros.

[SuperSonic4]

You don't know the best implantation of KDE until you use KDEmod. Serious <3 for it.

Damn right, although Mandriva comes a close second for it's prettiness when using firefox or other gnome apps. KDEmod is great because it is modular - don't want akregator or kile? Then choose not to install them :D

[jacksaff]

Can somebody please explain WHY are they doing that. With KDE 4 release thay start everything from begining. Where is sense in that? And what is next. When they eventually do polish KDE 4 they will start on KDE 5 and start all over again?!

Kde3 was a huge project. Over time, feature after feature was added to kde3. As kde3 hadn't been designed for all of it, there were many features that didn't work as well they might, others that got in the way of each other, and some things that were just not possible with the underlying software. It got to the stage where adding a new feature would often break many other things. Development slowed down due to all the extra testing required, and many apps duplicated code because the underlying system didn't have a common way of doing something that they could all use. It was a mess.

When qt4 came along (a re-write of some of the underlying software kde uses) this was an opportunity to start over. Qt4 did many of the things that several kde apps were separately trying to do. It allowed much else to be accomplished much more easily, it's smaller and faster despite being more capable, and it allows stuff that qt3 (and so kde3) just couldn't do at all.

The choice to do a complete rewrite has set kde back a long way over the last three years. THe payoff now however, is that it is much, much easier to add new features to kde4. The new features can interact in ways the were never possible before. Much more code is now shared, so the overall maintenance is much less and the bugs easier to find. The code is very portable so that kde apps can now run on mac and windows, and in places never even thought of before such as on phones and pdas.

Kde 4.3 now has pretty much every feature that kde3 had, plus many that it didn't. It's faster, portable and easier to develop with. It is also much newer, hence buggier.

Kde4 will be around for the forseeable future. The worst bugs are long gone. Every release more bugs are eliminated and more features added. It looks great, it does more than any other desktop out there, it's fast, and it runs on several opertating systems. It's better in every way than (the already pretty damn good) kde3. IMO it was well worth the two steps back to allow kde to move further forward.

[Screwdriver0815]

I use Kubuntu 9.04 on the desktop and Mandriva 2009.1 (KDE) on the Laptop.

When I do a comparison I would say that Kubuntu is more capable to manage a daily usage of the computer.
Although Mandriva is a very nice Distro and has many features which are really useful.

The reason, why I use Mandriva on the Laptop is, that Kubuntu uses the KNetworkmanager which is still in development and can not manage wireless networking very well.
In this matter, Mandriva is superior because they have an own Networkmanager which is much easier to use and not so buggy like the KNetworkmanager.

So, why is Kubuntu more capable for daily use? Because the underlying system is more stable.
I still had some crashes in applications like Amarok but this doesn't affect the whole system.
In Mandriva it is the same but additionally when you put some heavy load on the system, it just breaks down. This never happens with Kubuntu.
Another pro for Kubuntu is the amount of software and the reliability of aptitude and also the frontend (Kpackagekit). It solves dependencies really good and reliable while urpmi resp. rpmdrake in Mandriva sometimes have their problems doing that.

A further pro for Kubuntu is that it is faster. Faster during boot, faster in doing work.

In general, in my opinion KDE is superior to Gnome and this not only reduced to the looks.
Just the applications for instance.
in Gnome you have Evolution. It is a slightly good app but it has issues in managing date limits and general calendar stuff. In KDE you have Kontact which is a mailprogram, a calendar, a RSS reader, a notebook, manages sticky notes... all that. It just works! You put in your stuff and do not need to fool around to get the notifications working. They work by default.
In Gnome you have Firefox which is okay, but Konqueror also has done major progress and it renders websites much better than Firefox.
In Gnome you have F-spot, in KDE it is Digikam. F-spot organises photos by chaos. By default it just throws all photos somewhere into the photos folder and you organise it in F-spot. Thats it. Digikam uses the folder structure in where you have your photos and it has much more features than F-spot, for example a light-table which can be used for choosing photos as favourite or not. It also has some plugins for Flickr, Picasa and so on.

The only Gnome-application which I miss is Rhythmbox.

This is just a small example about what makes KDE favourable over Gnome for me. Sure, it all depends on what the user prefers but this doesn't mean, that Kubuntu is crap in general, because it isn't for sure.

[Chame_Wizard]

It's still good,except the Xorg drivers.:popcorn:

[kellemes]

You don't know the best implantation of KDE until you use KDEmod. Serious <3 for it.

KDEmod 4.2.4 is the one I'm using currently, for me it's the first KDE4 since I kicked out KDE(mod)3, runs very nice indeed.

[lykwydchykyn]

Damn right, although Mandriva comes a close second for it's prettiness when using firefox or other gnome apps. KDEmod is great because it is modular - don't want akregator or kile? Then choose not to install them :D

I don't really understand this. I'm running Kubuntu right now and I have neither akregator or kile installed. What is non-modular about Kubuntu's KDE?

[Screwdriver0815]

It's still good,except the Xorg drivers.:popcorn:
ahem... these are the same as in Ubuntu... what is the point of such a post? showing that you don't have any clue?

[SuperSonic4]

I don't really understand this. I'm running Kubuntu right now and I have neither akregator or kile installed. What is non-modular about Kubuntu's KDE?

They were two random examples. My point was that by being able to choose what you wanted installed space is saved and clutter reduced. For example I don't have kmail on here because I don't use it but I believe kubuntu does have it

[lykwydchykyn]

They were two random examples. My point was that by being able to choose what you wanted installed space is saved and clutter reduced. For example I don't have kmail on here because I don't use it but I believe kubuntu does have it

Sorry, not be argumentative, but I still don't see. I can remove kmail without any ill effects (though I happen to be using it, so I won't).

Is it simply that you built it from the ground-up instead of having things pre-installed by a meta-package, or is there something substantively different about KDEmod?

[kellemes]

Sorry, not be argumentative, but I still don't see. I can remove kmail without any ill effects (though I happen to be using it, so I won't).

Is it simply that you built it from the ground-up instead of having things pre-installed by a meta-package, or is there something substantively different about KDEmod?

But can you install kmail without also getting all this (http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/kdepim)?
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but as far as I know you can't.

Using Arch/KDEmod I can..
pacman -S kdemod-kdepim-kmail
well, in my case it is..
yaourt -S kdemod-kdepim-kmail
;-)
And only get kmail and it's minimal deps.

[lykwydchykyn]

But can you install kmail without also getting all this (http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/kdepim)?
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but as far as I know you can't.


Apparently I can. I have kmail installed. I do not have akregator, kjots, kode, kalarm, knode, or kleopatra installed. Those were the only ones I checked from that list, I would guess there are others on there I also don't have. I did not even consciously remove them apart from akregator; they weren't part of the default Kubuntu install.

[kellemes]

Apparently I can. I have kmail installed. I do not have akregator, kjots, kode, kalarm, knode, or kleopatra installed. Those were the only ones I checked from that list, I would guess there are others on there I also don't have. I did not even consciously remove them apart from akregator; they weren't part of the default Kubuntu install.

Well, in that case I don't understand the modularity aspect of KDEmod either :confused:

[XubuRoxMySox]

Y'know, KDE has a "little sister," so to speak, very pretty and very simple, even more lightweight than Xfce. It has very few dependencies and the only default application is the super-simple but powerful PCmanFM file manager. It's called LXDE (http://lxde.org) and is easy installable (and uninstallable) from Ubuntu repos through Synaptic. It's a little reminiscent of Win2K actually.

If you want the beauty and simplicity of KDE but without the bloat and all those default applications, check out this little-known, wonderful "well-kept secret" in desktop environments.

I found that it makes Ubuntu Jaunty faster on my computer as well. Just a bonus.

-Robin

[ad_267]

It's called LXDE (http://lxde.org)

Huh? LXDE is GTK based. How is it related to KDE?

[Sublime Porte]

Y'know, KDE has a "little sister," so to speakAbout the closest KDE has to a "little sister" is QLWM (http://qlwm.get.to/), certainly not LXDE. LXDE is mostly GTK-based.

[izizzle]

Screw you all! Hail the K!

[XubuRoxMySox]

Okay, sorry, no direct relation. LXDE just "looks" like a lightweight KDE. No relation.

If KDE had a cute little sister, she would look like LXDE.