Why should i move to linux ??

[kushal.7]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

[nandemonai]

If you're asking that question in the first place then isn't the answer obvious?

If you're happy where you are then more power to you.

[kushal.7]

No, i haven't pay anything (its free for me).
but i want to know that how Linux is better ??...

[keplerspeed]

True, the correct Os depends on the application, if it works for you, and does more, why change? However, I have found linux a better platform for programming. What programming software are you referring to?

Obviously you have tried ubuntu, to know about speed etc. Good to hear that you are making a educated decision.

Linux isnt better. Windows isnt better. It all depends on what your using it for, what type of user you are, or what type of user you are learning to be.

[hayden92]

For me, I use linux because I consider it to be 'ethical' (Don't take this word to literally)

This is because:
1) No company should ever have the monopoly that Microsoft has in the computer market
2) Linux is open-source and has a great community (one of the beg reasons that I've stayed with Ubuntu)

Hayden

[pbpersson]

What version of Windows are you using?

If you have lots of software that will only run on Windows, why would you want to move? I don't think you can.

[Cresho]

i finally realized perfection as of 2 weeks ago using a pc for 15 years. these last 2 years is with linux.

anyway, if you think your pc is fine, why change?

[vinutux]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks


no need 2 move if u feel comfortable there.............so understaband ubuntu....feel it.........feel the change of desktop cumputing to monopoly 2 freedom................

1. ok in ubuntu no need any licesnse so just free 2 try it

2. that because of u using any updating antivirus softwares or staying away from net ...in ubuntu no need of any antivirus softwares.

3. ok linux is more stable and secure than any os

4.oooooooops coz...game companies not released linux versions

5. haa haaa haaa its a wonder.... no one says xp or vista is speedy than ubuntu 9.04

6. linux is programmers heaven...alot of alternative softwares availabel

7. ubuntu is easiest linux distro............:D

[Megrimn]

Well, you don't have to move completely over to linux, which many linux users will contradict from the get-go because they are loyalists and would willingly shed your blood and their own over the issue. :D

In fact, I dual boot Vista for the reasons that you listed, besides programming and boot/hibe.

But I have Ubuntu also, because I was curious and have grown to like it. It's a challenge, a puzzle, almost. Just about any enthusiast who owns a computer would be bored to tears if there wasn't any work involved.

I also appreciate how the desktop has more customization features like window styles and icon packs. anyone could look at my desktop and ask "how do I get that?!"

It kicks my butt sometimes, but it's been six beautiful months, and using linux has actually taught me more about how windows works. Believe it or not, I had no clue that windows had a command line.

some of the free programs, such as rosegarden, have been a huge plus. I was able to work on my music project without leaving my room, until I absolutely had to go and put it on sibelius for the final draft. \\:D/

and there is always the excuse that it is free, I guess. Do what you have to.

happy computing!

[kushal.7]

yeah i agree that somewhere in programming windows lacks behind but the place where it lacks behind is very often used.
take the example of visual studio or visual basic.

google "windows is better" & u'll nt find any website, all results are some discussion forms, but vice versa if u google "why linux is better" then u'll find a tons of website regarding this.

is monopoly bad ???.... if some company earning money then what i bad in it.. that is business...that should not be reason to move to linux ( at least i think so)

i got help in windows also through friends & social networking websites.

I am using windows XP sp-3

[iponeverything]

i finally realized perfection as of 2 weeks ago using a pc for 15 years. these last 2 years is with linux.

anyway, if you think your pc is fine, why change?

+1

It sounds to me like you're effective and comfortable in your current environment and your computing practices are sound (evidenced by your lack of problems with viruses, etc.)

That said, it would seems strange for you change.

Generally speaking though, I think that change is good.

[pmlxuser]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)

Its good to know that you have money & you are a true citizen


2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)

I guess you don't use the Internet frequently right? in my 6 years of windows use as long as you use the Internet you get a virus attack eventually. so if this is true you must be using your computer 5 minutes a day connected to the net 1 minute a day

3) My system is stable

Well am impressed


4) I can play good games on windows.

Yeah because the games are designed for windows anyway ...


5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)

Oh am really impressed with your machine it must have really high end specs 20 GB RAM??/ or you are using windows 98 SE


6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

ANY WAY MY ADVICE TO YOU DO'NT MOVE TO UBUNTU, YOU ARE DEFINITELY HAPPY WHERE YOU ARE. I MOVED TO UBUNTU BECAUSE I WASN'T HAPPY WITH WINDOES

[kushal.7]

no need 2 move if u feel comfortable there.............so understaband ubuntu....feel it.........feel the change of desktop cumputing to monopoly 2 freedom................

1. ok in ubuntu no need any licesnse so just free 2 try it

2. that because of u using any updating antivirus softwares or staying away from net ...in ubuntu no need of any antivirus softwares.

3. ok linux is more stable and secure than any os

4.oooooooops coz...game companies not released linux versions

5. haa haaa haaa its a wonder.... no one says xp or vista is speedy than ubuntu 9.04

6. linux is programmers heaven...alot of alternative softwares availabel

7. ubuntu is easiest linux distro............:D

you'll wonder to know that Linux virus are also EXIST. & now a days anti viruses are also come for Linux.

linux is more stable...oops not for me....
you can try it at home. my XP start+shutdown takes less than 1 mins.

ubuntu is easiest then how difficult will other distors.....

[kushal.7]

Its good to know that you have money & you are a true citizen



I guess you don't use the Internet frequently right? in my 6 years of windows use as long as you use the Internet you get a virus attack eventually. so if this is true you must be using your computer 5 minutes a day connected to the net 1 minute a day




Well am impressed


Yeah because the games are designed for windows anyway ...


Oh am really impressed with your machine it must have really high end specs 20 GB RAM??/ or you are using windows 98 SE


ANY WAY MY ADVICE TO YOU DO'NT MOVE TO UBUNTU, YOU ARE DEFINITELY HAPPY WHERE YOU ARE. I MOVED TO UBUNTU BECAUSE I WASN'T HAPPY WITH WINDOES

I didnt pay money for that. thats free for me.


I am using internet more than 3 hours a day from past 1 year. & i open every type of website. also crack.ms(full of virus).

[iponeverything]

is monopoly bad ???....

Yes monopoly is bad. History has shown, and current events continue to show that monopoly is bad. The reasons are quite easy to find, so I won't go into it here.

if some company earning money then what i bad in it.. that is business...that should not be reason to move to linux ( at least i think so)


You don't have be a monopoly to be profitable. If the only way for a company to be profitable is through monopolistic practices, then that is not business -- unless you consider un-ethical and in illegal practices "business".

[Sef]

Moved to Community Cafe.

[benj1]

you'll wonder to know that Linux virus are also EXIST. & now a days anti viruses are also come for Linux.


linux isn't free of viruses, but it is alot safer, most anti virus software in linux scans for windows viruses (for mail servers etc).

a fairly complete list of linux viruses (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus)

ps im amazed youve never had a virus in windows, what av do you use???

[valex]

I am using internet more than 3 hours a day from past 1 year. & i open every type of website. also crack.ms(full of virus).

are you using specific firewalls or virus guards and what are they?
becouse i wonder that you are not suffered from viruses.

[monsterstack]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

I'll answer sensibly.


Owning a licensed copy of Windows isn't really a reason to stay or go. Unless you want to get your money's worth or something.
Linux doesn't really get viruses, but if they aren't a problem for you now, then it's irrelevant.
Linux can be stable too. It depends which distribution you use, and which software you run on it.
You can play a few good games on Linux. Most Linux games are also on Windows. There are some good emulators out there that allow you to play console games on Linux. Again, the same software exists for Windows.
Better speed than Ubuntu? Interesting; that hasn't been my experience at all. Still there are leaner versions of Linux. Ubuntu is probably the bloatiest one of the lot.
There are some good programming environments for Linux. Like most things in life, many of them are also available for Windows. Try some of them out and see if you could bear to use one of those instead of whatever software you use now.
Yes, Linux can be easy to use.

[overdrank]

Is Ubuntu for You? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63315)

[kushal.7]

are you using specific firewalls or virus guards and what are they?
becouse i wonder that you are not suffered from viruses.

I am using avast pro version (updated).
& rest of virus in pen drive, i remove them manually.

internet : i use firefox (some sites are already blacklisted), rest i use plugin adblock.
then spybot search & distroy (immunization : which block some popups & keyloggers etc)
if still something left then it is removed by spyware doctor. ;)

[monsterstack]

I am using avast pro version (updated).
& rest of virus in pen drive, i remove them manually.

internet : i use firefox (some sites are already blacklisted), rest i use plugin adblock.
then spybot search & distroy (immunization : which block some popups & keyloggers etc)
if still something left then it is removed by spyware doctor. ;)

Here's some annoying stuff (I found it annoying anyway) you don't have to do on Linux,

scan for viruses;
scan for Adware;
scan for Spyware;
defragment your hard drive;
reboot after updates;
search the net for common software


As far as ethics go, as others have already mentioned, the "that's business!" mentality is just a an evasive reaction from people who want to avoid answering their own consciences.

[kushal.7]

Here's some annoying stuff (I found it annoying anyway) you don't have to do on Linux,

scan for viruses;
scan for Adware;
scan for Spyware;
defragment your hard drive;
reboot after updates;
search the net for common software


As far as ethics go, as others have already mentioned, the "that's business!" mentality is just a an evasive reaction from people who want to avoid answering their own consciences.

i dont scan, avast do it automatically. :D
i dont, spybot do it, automatically :P
i dont defragment. :D
i dont update my OS. :D
i dont search net for common software. i have already that. :D

[Winterheart]

Here's some annoying stuff (I found it annoying anyway) you don't have to do on Linux,

scan for viruses;
scan for Adware;
scan for Spyware;
defragment your hard drive;
reboot after updates;
search the net for common software


As far as ethics go, as others have already mentioned, the "that's business!" mentality is just a an evasive reaction from people who want to avoid answering their own consciences.

That's why I moved to Linux - just Windows made programs expected me to buy a license for the simplest things like changing my theme and I couldn't bear it.:( Yet my friend gave me Ubuntu (which didn't break any laws) and now I have two OSes. I switch Windows and Ubuntu for my specific needs. There isn't such thing as a good or bad OS - you are the good one and the OS just satisfies your needs for doing specific work fast and safe.

[technocp]

If Windows was the only OS available for use, the monopoly game would have been much severe on users like us. Its OSes like Linux which really shows an ethical path to OSes like windows where they learn how to listen to users and then design an OS which can suite needs of different users. Both Windows and Linux like software are necessary for social growth of Software. Though Windows offers dependency with features and Linux offer Independent features. Windows have really proved itself at easy availability of drivers and software compatibility but in any way this doesn't seem to be the future (Only programmers know it). But any ways it is always us and the current time demand which decides what software to be used. It can never be denied that there are lot of windows user who love windows. May be there are some who don't know Linux.

[monsterstack]

i dont scan, avast do it automatically. :D
i dont, spybot do it, automatically :P
i dont defragment. :D
i dont update my OS. :D
i dont search net for common software. i have already that. :D

Wait. You don't install security updates? Sheesh. Enjoy being a node in a botnet, won't you.

If you don't intend on switching at all, why on earth are you even here?

[kushal.7]

Wait. You don't install security updates? Sheesh. Enjoy being a node in a botnet, won't you.

If you don't intend on switching at all, why on earth are you even here?

i am not a node in botnet. i open every type of website which is full of viruses but i dont get viruses. why should i update my OS ???... if i have to update then i've already moved to windows 7 or windows vista. BUT i am on XP (sp-3).... lol... :D

[monsterstack]

i am not a node in botnet. i open every type of website which is full of viruses but i dont get viruses. why should i update my OS ???... if i have to update then i've already moved to windows 7 or windows vista. BUT i am on XP (sp-3).... lol... :D

You should update your OS because not updating it is reckless and will leave you open to exploits and attacks. I've already told you the reasons I switched, and they are the reasons plenty of other people switch, too. Linux works fine for me, and for millions of others all around the world. If none of the reasons to use Linux are very compelling for you, then don't bother switching. It's as simple as that.

[golusweet]

you'll wonder to know that Linux virus are also EXIST. & now a days anti viruses are also come for Linux.

linux is more stable...oops not for me....
you can try it at home. my XP start+shutdown takes less than 1 mins.

ubuntu is easiest then how difficult will other distors.....


Linux distros always provide you free updates that patches those holes. That's why, There is no need of Anti-virus. If you have dual-boot with windows, You can install an Anti-virus in Linux, and can remove those Windows viruses. ;)


I guess, You are pretty noob to me, Since you are saying, you are visiting every kind of site including cracks and all that, still you are uninfected, Most free stuff that you download includes a backdoor or ny malicious program. You wouldn't even know, Its in your system.:o



btw, check out this site

http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/

[kushal.7]

Linux distros always provide you free updates that patches those holes. That's why, There is no need of Anti-virus. If you have dual-boot with windows, You can install an Anti-virus in Linux, and can remove those Windows viruses. ;)


I guess, You are pretty noob to me, Since you are saying, you are visiting every kind of site including cracks and all that, still you are uninfected, Most free stuff that you download includes a backdoor or ny malicious program. You wouldn't even know, Its in your system.:o



btw, check out this site

http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/

I know abt that website & i write my reasons based on that website (all are contradicting)
yeah i heard that. can u prove that my system have backdoor & malicious program. i dont think so.
btw if they exist in my system & i even dont know means that i have no harm from them (no CPU utilization, no memory usage etc)
:)

[golusweet]

I know abt that website & i write my reasons based on that website (all are contradicting)
yeah i heard that. can u prove that my system have backdoor & malicious program. i dont think so.
btw if they exist in my system & i even dont know means that i have no harm from them (no CPU utilization, no memory usage etc)
:)

Why should I prove?

I don't need to, If you are happy windows user, you should stick with it.

I switched to Linux,because It gives me freedom.

No one is saying, you should move to Linux. Just use Windows.:D

[WatchingThePain]

All this has been asked (and answered) before.
If you are curious and want to try Linux there is an installer called WUBI, then you can decide what you prefer without changing.
A lot of people in this forum dual boot.
Use what fits your requirements not what someone tells you is better.

[kushal.7]

Why should I prove?

I don't need to, If you are happy windows user, you should stick with it.

I switched to Linux,because It gives me freedom.

No one is saying, you should move to Linux. Just use Windows.:D

I am not challenging you that you cant prove it.
the thing is curiosity. I want to see if they exist.

I just want to hear, what did u say in last. :D

[golusweet]

I am not challenging you that you cant prove it.
the thing is curiosity. I want to see if they exist.

I just want to hear, what did u say in last. :D

Google is there mate :p

[kushal.7]

yeah, i am also using dual boot. that is b'coz
1) i love technology related thing. can u imagine a technocrat who dont even know about Linux. i cant thats why.
2) Curiosity
3) i want to feel the freedom & change what others are feeling ( i still cant feel it)

[dspari1]

Linux isn't for everyone, but some people do prefer it:



If you're a security freak, then Linux is for you.

If you want to able customize every aspect of your OS, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on 87% of super computers, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on the majority of web servers, then Linux is for you.

If you can code and have ideas that Microsoft won't do, then Linux is for you.

If you don't ever want to pay a dime for an upgrade (Windows 7 is coming soon, so you're going to have to pay), then Linux is for you.

If you want to be free from a monopoly, then Linux is for you.


Finally, it is Linux that is keeping Microsoft in check. It is because of Linux's success on the Netbook that Microsoft is now only asking for $15 for Windows XP for each netbook sold instead of $60. Be thankful for that.

[kushal.7]

Linux isn't for everyone, but some people do prefer it:



If you're a security freak, then Linux is for you.

If you want to able customize every aspect of your OS, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on 87% of super computers, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on the majority of web servers, then Linux is for you.

If you can code and have ideas that Microsoft won't do, then Linux is for you.

If you don't ever want to pay a dime for an upgrade (Windows 7 is coming soon, so you're going to have to pay), then Linux is for you.

If you want to be free from a monopoly, then Linux is for you.


Finally, it is Linux that is keeping Microsoft in check. It is because of Linux's success on the Netbook that Microsoft is now only asking for $15 for Windows XP for each netbook sold instead of $60. Be thankful for that.

+1
I like your answers & reasons

[SunnyRabbiera]

is monopoly bad ???.... if some company earning money then what i bad in it.. that is business...that should not be reason to move to linux ( at least i think so)
I am using windows XP sp-3

But Microsoft does have bade business practices, firstly because they own so much of the market its very hard to compete with them.
A monopoly is bad because if everything is owned by 1 company, and that company somehow goes under all its products will be null and void.
Also we are supposed to be living in a competitive market, how can you have a competitive market if there is no competition?
Microsoft fails to understand this, they just continue to make products without a care if they are secure or stable.
I mean look at the Windows Vista and ME debacle, ME especially as it is without a doubt the worst OS ever made.
ME was filled with countless bugs and errors, A bluescreen would happen even if you just blinked.
Vista is not much better in my opinion, I mean really it broke compatibility for many people who used XP, its fancy interfaces dont make up for the fact that without the right hardware you might as well run windows 95 or something.

I think business should look at linux as an alternative for many good reasons, one is that linux is open to all.
Windows you cant edit it, redistribute it or anything without Microsoft holding your hand.
Microsoft with its high price tags, annoying registration codes, pointless lawsuits against linux, and general bad business practices I see many good reasons to go linux.

But hey if you like to support a company that likes to buy out and intimidate people be my guest but me I gladly use linux any day of the week.
Plus there is one thing linux has that Microsoft can never beat:
The community.

[WatchingThePain]

Linux isn't for everyone, but some people do prefer it:



If you're a security freak, then Linux is for you.

If you want to able customize every aspect of your OS, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on 87% of super computers, then Linux is for you.

If you want to learn the OS that is ran on the majority of web servers, then Linux is for you.

If you can code and have ideas that Microsoft won't do, then Linux is for you.

If you don't ever want to pay a dime for an upgrade (Windows 7 is coming soon, so you're going to have to pay), then Linux is for you.

If you want to be free from a monopoly, then Linux is for you.


Finally, it is Linux that is keeping Microsoft in check. It is because of Linux's success on the Netbook that Microsoft is now only asking for $15 for Windows XP for each netbook sold instead of $60. Be thankful for that.

That list is Good, very concise and true.


@SunnyRabbiera
Not just Businesses though, think of non-profit organisations.
I really think Linux should be used in Schools for example.

[Eisenwinter]

7. ubuntu is easiest linux distro............:D
That is very subjective.

It takes me less time to set up Arch Linux (a distribution which you set up from scratch, unlike Ubuntu) to fit my exact needs, than Ubuntu.

If I had a faster internet connection, it would have taken me less than 20 minutes to set up Arch, with X fully functioning, a window manager, and all the applications I need.

I got a bit off-topic here as far as what I quoted goes, so:

Ubuntu being the "easiest Linux distro" is a very subjective statement, Ubuntu is probably the easiest distro to use for people coming from the Windows world into the Linux world.

But, saying it's "the easiest Linux distro" in regardless to anything, is far from true.

[SunnyRabbiera]

That is very subjective.

It takes me less time to set up Arch Linux (a distribution which you set up from scratch, unlike Ubuntu) to fit my exact needs, than Ubuntu.

If I had a faster internet connection, it would have taken me less than 20 minutes to set up Arch, with X fully functioning, a window manager, and all the applications I need.

I got a bit off-topic here as far as what I quoted goes, so:

Ubuntu being the "easiest Linux distro" is a very subjective statement, Ubuntu is probably the easiest distro to use for people coming from the Windows world into the Linux world.

But, saying it's "the easiest Linux distro" in regardless to anything, is far from true.

Yes but I personally feel arch has too much manual configuration for the new user.
One of the best tools linux has is the live CD and most modern distros come with them.
A live CD might take a while to set up yes, but it saves the new user a lot of trouble of configuring everything by hand.
Arch for me is like what Debian pure was about 2 years ago, quite intimidating for the new user.

[dspari1]

That list is Good, very concise and true.


@SunnyRabbiera
Not just Businesses though, think of non-profit organisations.
I really think Linux should be used in Schools for example.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but the most important is that we are all a community trying to make the best OS we can by sharing ideas.

I thought a lot like the OP when I first heard of Linux, and it wasn't until I accepted Linux's limitations before I appreciated its strengths.

[HavocXphere]

i dont update my OS.
can u prove that my system have backdoor
Wahaha

So what do you think all those critical security updates that Microsoft publishes are for then? Eye candy?

Hell, there are so many that MS has started releasing them in cumulative packs.

I want to see if they exist.
You can see a list here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx

i am not a node in botnet.
Pretty much everyone who is a node *does not know it*.

btw if they exist in my system & i even dont know means that i have no harm from them (no CPU utilization, no memory usage etc)
And that ^^^ is why there will always be spam botnets.:rolleyes:

Viruses & bots do not announce themselves. They are sneakier than anything you can imagine. That table with memory usage...skilled programmers can erase entries from it (Or add new ones). Files can be clocked from even the operating system itself. Try deleting something if the OS claims it does not exist...

[The Real Dave]

Wahaha

So what do you think all those critical security updates that Microsoft publishes are for then? Eye candy?

Hell, there are so many that MS has started releasing them in cumulative packs.


You can see a list here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx


Pretty much everyone who is a node *does not know it*.


And that ^^^ is why there will always be spam botnets.:rolleyes:

Viruses & bots do not announce themselves. They are sneakier than anything you can imagine. That table with memory usage...skilled programmers can erase entries from it (Or add new ones). Files can be clocked from even the operating system itself. Try deleting something if the OS claims it does not exist...

Well put :D

[SunnyRabbiera]

I thought a lot like the OP when I first heard of Linux, and it wasn't until I accepted Linux's limitations before I appreciated its strengths.

But linux's limitations are mainly from the windows based world we live in.
When greed and the lust for power are rewarded its easy for a company like Microsoft to buy out those who make the parts and the programs.
Linux if given the chance could capture the market for years to come, but with greed behind the wheels its very hard to make progress.

[WatchingThePain]

I have seen Windows systems completely hijacked where the user has had no idea other than.."Duh I downloaded loads of torrents and now my pc is slow".

OP..google "Rootkits".
All the API calls had been hooked and the Windows Error reports were hijacked. I have also seen a pc that had been added to a Zombie network.
A Windows pc will usually be pretty easy to take full control of even to Kernel level.
Windows was built to be user-friendly rather than secure, a side-effect of that is that Windows in now Hacker-friendly.

There are even kits to build malicious apps.
I believe that Linux is far more secure than Windows due to my own experiences although I am no security expert.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Yes I too have seen the consiquences of not being cautious.
I had a huge spyware infection back in 2002, ah the joyous days of Bonzi Buddy...
Constant popups, constant slowdowns, constant annoyances...
Linux dont have that kind of crap, at least for me.
Though Jaunty kinda pushes it.

[WatchingThePain]

People say Linux takes time to learn.
I used to use Windows (In the Dark ages).
Vista with that stupid UAC was like that game "Mother may I?".
I think the time I took learning Linux was less than the time I spent dealing with Viruses on Windows.
Windows was just getting crippled all the time.
I found that Windows was secure when used responsibly, i.e. left switched off.

Another thing I would say to the OP is that if you change to Linux, don't expect it to be anything like Windows. Theres no C: in Linux. edit (Unless you use Wine!).

[SunnyRabbiera]

People say Linux takes time to learn.
I used to use Windows (In the Dark ages).
Vista with that stupid UAC was like that game "Mother may I?".
I think the time I took learning Linux was less than the time I spent dealing with Viruses on Windows.
Windows was just getting crippled all the time.
I found that Windows was secure when used responsibly, i.e. left switched off.

I learned linux real fast, of course having something debian based kinda helps...
Synaptic rules

[WatchingThePain]

I learned linux real fast, of course having something debian based kinda helps...
Synaptic rules

So does Pacman ;)

[The Real Dave]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

Sounds like your pretty content with your system. Good for you, stay with windows. If your happy their, why bother switching?

However I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)

No, its not. In a Windows system, such invunribility is only possible by
1)Not connecting your computer any networks, including Local and Internet networks
2)Not inserting any sort of removable device (eg Flash Drives) into your PC.

A virus doesn't exactly pop up on your screen and say " Hey! Im here". Often, it wont show up in Explorer, or affect your system power usage. They can often run within Safe-Mode, and bypass Firewalls. In fact, some virus can go as far as to not only disable firewalls and anti-virus programs, but other virus also, preventing conflict between the two.

A virus is designed to be invisble. To hide. To sneak. Even if you do have an incredible security system, running regular, in depth scans, you probably wont find all of your virus's. Because, like a physical virus, they evolve rapidly, changing to suit their conditions, and new ones are written everyday.

Unlike in Hollywood, having a computer virus will not bring your system to a sudden standstill, with error messages, and small puffs of smoke. More likely, it will, over period of time, slow down your computer, amongst other things. But Windows users already expect this eventual slow down, and do not notice it.

I think its time you reviewed your security situation

[SunnyRabbiera]

So does Pacman ;)

Yes but for me Arch is not good for the newcommer.
For the experienced user yes maybe, but for the ex windows user I would not advise it.
Heck even I cant get my head around its installer, and I installed Debian Etch...
Etch was difficult to install for me, but arch seems much harder.

[WatchingThePain]

Yes but for me Arch is not good for the newcommer.
For the experienced user yes maybe, but for the ex windows user I would not advise it.
Heck even I cant get my head around its installer, and I installed Debian Etch...
Etch was difficult to install for me, but arch seems much harder.

Agreed. It's for a highly customised but streamlined System as you are probably aware.
The installer is text based and you have to add your choice of DE.
I had some similar follies as a distro hopper. Didn't get Sabayon, was Gonna try centOS but it didn't install at all. I have tried about 15-20 different distros and believe...Ubuntu is about the easiest to install. I can't remember the Debian installer but I think it was similar to Ubuntu.
Installing Ubuntu is a "real no brainer" for most and certainly not more difficult than installing Windows.

Ubuntu is Great for new users. I started out with Mandriva then moved over to Ubuntu. In fact I tried a slackware live cd and since then I have not looked back. I think Ubuntu is great for people coming from Windows because it has a good balance of features while still being quite intuitive to use and of course, Jalapeno Hot Forums !! .


(Aside: Memory Lane -Double clicking a Tar file and getting frustrated when it didn't open, but wow .DEB works!..hmmm what's this Synaptic?..ah so that's how they do it.)

To be honest I didn't like the idea of software in repositories at first (the chains of Windows were still on my mind!) but then there was this light..and I walked into it.
Now I wouldn't have it any other way.
All my software is now free.

I would like to say Gnome is probably better for noobs (which does not mean it is lesser than KDE) but thats just my preference (and that would be fightin words).
OP can Read threads regarding KDE Vs Gnome if interested (there are plenty).

There's another idea if the OP want's to try Ubuntu without change to system use live CD.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Indeed, the live CD is a very useful tool...
Heck it can even save a windows drive, even from windows itself ;)

[monsterstack]

Sounds like your pretty content with your system. Good for you, stay with windows. If your happy their, why bother switching?

However

No, its not. In a Windows system, such invunribility is only possible by
1)Not connecting your computer any networks, including Local and Internet networks
2)Not inserting any sort of removable device (eg Flash Drives) into your PC.

A virus doesn't exactly pop up on your screen and say " Hey! Im here". Often, it wont show up in Explorer, or affect your system power usage. They can often run within Safe-Mode, and bypass Firewalls. In fact, some virus can go as far as to not only disable firewalls and anti-virus programs, but other virus also, preventing conflict between the two.

A virus is designed to be invisble. To hide. To sneak. Even if you do have an incredible security system, running regular, in depth scans, you probably wont find all of your virus's. Because, like a physical virus, they evolve rapidly, changing to suit their conditions, and new ones are written everyday.

Unlike in Hollywood, having a computer virus will not bring your system to a sudden standstill, with error messages, and small puffs of smoke. More likely, it will, over period of time, slow down your computer, amongst other things. But Windows users already expect this eventual slow down, and do not notice it.

I think its time you reviewed your security situation

This is good advice. Just next week Microsoft are releasing a bumper pack of patches, most of them for vulnerabilities of the critical kind (i.e. they allow remote execution of code). See the details for yourself here (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-jun.mspx) [microsoft.com]. Keeping up to date with security patches is important on any operating system, but it's absolutely essential for Windows.

[DanglingPointer]

kushal.7,

This article which is in a pro-Vista site is surprisingly objective. Have a read and perhaps we can convert you to the light side of the Force! :D

http://www.vista123.net/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7

By the way, startup, boot, hibernate, etc; IS FASTER in current release of ubuntu.

However the article above hasn't got XP, BUT XP will soon be no longer supported with the advent of Windows7.

Have a read, you'll find it interesting. If you do decide to join light side of the Force, consider ext4 as per results you can see in the above article.

[SunnyRabbiera]

kushal.7,

This article which is in a pro-Vista site is surprisingly objective. Have a read and perhaps we can convert you to the light side of the Force! :D

http://www.vista123.net/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7

By the way, startup, boot, hibernate, etc; IS FASTER in current release of ubuntu.

However the article above hasn't got XP, BUT XP will soon be no longer supported with the advent of Windows7.

Have a read, you'll find it interesting. If you do decide to join light side of the Force, consider ext4 as per results you can see in the above article.



That is a good article indeed.
But all benchmarks are subjective and you really cant rely on them as 100% proof.

[The Real Dave]

kushal.7,

This article which is in a pro-Vista site is surprisingly objective. Have a read and perhaps we can convert you to the light side of the Force! :D

http://www.vista123.net/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7

By the way, startup, boot, hibernate, etc; IS FASTER in current release of ubuntu.

However the article above hasn't got XP, BUT XP will soon be no longer supported with the advent of Windows7.

Have a read, you'll find it interesting. If you do decide to join light side of the Force, consider ext4 as per results you can see in the above article.


Nice article. Good to see that a pro-Vista site can un-biasedly show where Linux is better than Windows. Pity M$ cant do the same :lolflag:

[anuj.pathania]

What good is a Technology without compassion??

Every technology be it nuclear, biological is capable of unleashing both blessing and horror.

Same apply to softwares.

Do you want our children to work on hi tech computers, highly incompatible with each other so that they suffer to learn and create?? Try asking programmers and developers how much he suffer due to interoperability issues between Windows and Microsoft.

If you want to live in a world monopolized or divided by companies such as Microsoft and Apple then yes stay with windows. The world will soon then become their slave answering to their every whip.

The question not if you want windows, mac or linux on your machine. Question is much bigger do you want a closed, shrewed, money minded and unrelenting company such as Microsoft or Apple to lead into future, or do you want to follow someone warm and malleable thing Linux filled with compassion for humanity??

This question will not only affect not only your life but also your next generations to come.

[LepeKaname]

6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)

If you do programming only with Microsoft or Adobe applications, then stay in Windows. If you develop in Java/Php/Perl/Ruby/etc,etc... then you will love Linux. It just make your life easier! I can't imagine going back to develop in Windows [-(

I have been working with linux 10 years now and totally windows-less around 5 years, and I don't miss a ..... of windows. I can feel the power and feel free around here.

Windows is great for my grandma and for those who don't care to be limited and controlled.

[kushal.7]

kushal.7,

This article which is in a pro-Vista site is surprisingly objective. Have a read and perhaps we can convert you to the light side of the Force! :D

http://www.vista123.net/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7

By the way, startup, boot, hibernate, etc; IS FASTER in current release of ubuntu.

However the article above hasn't got XP, BUT XP will soon be no longer supported with the advent of Windows7.

Have a read, you'll find it interesting. If you do decide to join light side of the Force, consider ext4 as per results you can see in the above article.


nice article. i should really appreciate it.

[jbruced]

You answer your own questions. Stay with your current happy system.

Official end of thread(?)

[kushal.7]

most of guys love linux only b'coz they hate monopoly & linux is free. I want to ask them how many of them really paid to microsoft when they used windows. according to a survey more than 95% of home users (who don't get free copy when purchasing comp) use illegal copy. Microsoft is not aware of this fact !!!.... I dont think so. If u think in PRACTICAL way, Both microsoft & linux are free :D & anyone can freely distribute it without any fear. :P

I want to ask you that if you were owner of microsoft then still you think that monopoly is bad ???....may be you'll BUT I'll not....& the same microsoft guys dont think that monopoly is bad... so, at least this shouldnt be the reason for choosing Linux.(to break monopoly)

I told you earlier that I've not affected by any virus since last year. & i am using internet everyday. guys contradict my statement by saying that may be i dont even know. Tell me, if my system performance is so good, no hang, no slowdown day by day. then how can i even think that my comp is affected with virus.
A virus may be delete the table of cpu or mem usage but it should affect my system.


We are here for learn the BEST. and i admit that Linux is best(as i see, is only security & programming point of view).

one more thing i want to ask is why microsoft have monopoly in market ???.... linux exists in market from so many years & its free, then why people are still using windows. are they FOOL ???... or they are not sure of existence of Linux. Whenever their is monopoly in market there must be something exist in market that others cant provide. Some good feature or something else. Take the example of Intel, now u'll say its bad, it has monopoly in market & all that. why dont people use Open Hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hardware). obviously they will have to pay less cost.

[dstempfley]

i finally realized perfection as of 2 weeks ago using a pc for 15 years. these last 2 years is with linux.


I had a laptop running linux for 4 years and the only reboots happening on it were changes to the kernel ( about 5 ) and Windows inside VMWare (about 5 a day :) ). I hibernated and suspended, but every time I opened it I had my work sitting in front of me. That was bliss. I hesitated to lose it, but when they give you a new one you don't turn it down for the 4 year old beast your carrying around.

/Dion

[mamamia88]

if you were completely happy with windows you wouldn't be asking. but if you want to try it out and have a huge harddrive you might as well install it on a separate partition and see if you like it without harming your windows partition. just my advice

[kushal.7]

if you were completely happy with windows you wouldn't be asking. but if you want to try it out and have a huge harddrive you might as well install it on a separate partition and see if you like it without harming your windows partition. just my advice

I am using dual boot from 6 months. but i am not able to understand why i am using it !!!

[C!oud]

I am using dual boot from 6 months. but i am not able to understand why i am using it !!!

The linux community isn't here to answer that, seriously make the decision yourself.

[Ac1ds0ld13r]

Programming is definitely easier on a Linux.

I wouldn't switch if you're happy, but after Norton's moron techs destroyed my old OS, and Microsoft basically gave me the finger to reactivate my Vista (which likes to decide your license is no good btw, necessitating the OS being reactivated) I decided I had enough BS over it and switched to Ubuntu.

Why I'll stay with Ubuntu? Community. Almost everything is open-source and there's this awesome vibe with sharing information and helping people along. I love it, and more than anything that is going to keep me with Ubuntu. Making Ubuntu better isn't a job for most of the people around here, its a labor of love, and it shows.

Again, if you're happy where you are, don't go anywhere. I was just ready for a change.

[uberdonkey5]

I am using dual boot from 6 months. but i am not able to understand why i am using it !!!

Hey Kushal,

I use dual boot, and it took me about a year before I was using ubuntu more than windows. You said you haven't had a virus for over a year.. well that is not a long time. It is unlikely you'll ever get a virus on linux, and you'll never have to pay for updating or renewing a licence for virus software. Also, microsoft seem in a strange time now.. they have to keep inventing new gimmicks to sell new software (thus the dramatic change in vista and office applications). However linux is user, not sales orientated.

Undoubtedly there will ALWAYS be software for windows that is either better or unavailable for linux. I use windows purely for video-editing now (can't get hang of linux packages). I never use windows on the internet.

Really you have to adjust to a different way of working. Ubuntu takes a while to set up, iron out problems and make it look pretty. Once you've tailored it though, it works like a dream. I prefer the gnome menu system (applications, places, system) . Windows on my computer is slightly slower than ubuntu (esp. for shut down). However windows WILL increasingly slow down over time. Copying and moving files (esp. video files) is much faster in linux.

Importantly, if I want some software, I just search for it and I have confidence I can download it for free and there is a massive range of software (though installation can be more hassle than windows). I never think of this in windows. Really, ubuntu gives me the confidence to think 'I should be able to do what I want on my computer' whereas windows seems to be more restrictive to me.

Really though, forget any hype and just do what is most productive for yourself.

[bakedbeans4life]

Why bother asking these questions when you have already drawn your own conclusions anyway?

Windows is obviously your platform of choice, live with it. You made a decision on which OS fits your needs long before you started this thread.

You have answered your own post and nothing more need be said.

Just one point of contention...you don't sound as if you would ever know or admit to your machine getting pwned, by whatever method, in the first place.

[jbruced]

Why bother asking these questions when you have already drawn your own conclusions anyway?

Windows is obviously your platform of choice, live with it. You made a decision on which OS fits your needs long before you started this thread.

You have answered your own post and nothing more need be said.



+1

end of thread(?)

[Name change]

-Curiosity?
_Because it's different and you have so much fun starting from a new...
trying to get hardware working perfectly wondering why I can't watch divix films, and why mp3s don't play out of the box.
:D
It's fun all around.
If you want to test, try Arch. If you'll like it then you're for Linux, if not you won't like any other Linux distro either, as on the end most of thing still have to be done from CLI when everything else fails...

[markharding557]

this type of mindless time wasting should be banned this is the ubuntu linux forum not a windows fanboy forum

[Giant Speck]

this type of mindless time wasting should be banned this is the ubuntu linux forum not a windows fanboy forum

Weird. I couldn't find any fanboyism at all.

[TheForumTroll]

Wow you should have my nick name. Great entertainment though :popcorn:

[bakedbeans4life]

this type of mindless time wasting should be banned this is the ubuntu linux forum not a windows fanboy forum

But you, my friend, are mistaken. Ubuntu Forums has more Windows fanbois than most Microsoft forums. I hear that when the Redmond faithful are tired and browbeaten trying to justify Windows over Linux or *BSD, the true disciples (salesfolk) seek inspiration from these very forums.

I think Microsoft know when they are on to a winner, official or otherwise.

[LepeKaname]

most of guys love linux only b'coz they hate monopoly & linux is free. I want to ask them how many of them really paid to microsoft when they used windows. according to a survey more than 95% of home users (who don't get free copy when purchasing comp) use illegal copy. Microsoft is not aware of this fact !!!.... I dont think so. If u think in PRACTICAL way, Both microsoft & linux are free & anyone can freely distribute it without any fear.

Many people here are not talking about breaking a Monopoly as their main reason. Most of the people here will agree that linux means FREEDOM, not just FREE.

one more thing i want to ask is why microsoft have monopoly in market ???.... linux exists in market from so many years & its free, then why people are still using windows. are they FOOL ???... or they are not sure of existence of Linux. Whenever their is monopoly in market there must be something exist in market that others cant provide. Some good feature or something else. Take the example of Intel, now u'll say its bad, it has monopoly in market & all that. why dont people use Open Hardware. obviously they will have to pay less cost.

Why? because Microsoft had a great idea: create an OS for noobs. Also is matter of Advertising. The whole thing is reduced to MONEY:

function newComputer($model, $money) {
switch($model) {
default: $OS = "windows";
$money++;
}
$free = ($OS == "windows")?false:true;
if(!$free) {
$install = array("Adobe", "IBM", "Symantec", "Autodesk", "etc")
foreach( $install as $company ){
$money++;
echo "$company : Give me the Money!!!":"";
}
}
return $money;
}

As many companies, they don't care so much about you, just about money... that's business.

If the computers are shipped with windows, what will people use? Many of the users don't even know how to burn a CD, how do you suppose them to change their OS to Linux? If you go to the gas station and they offer you only one type of gasoline, which would you use?

You will not know Linux's advantages until you start to use it... At the beginning it may be feel weird to have that much freedom, but then you get used to it :D

I agree with Ac1ds0ld13r comment:
Almost everything is open-source and there's this awesome vibe with sharing information and helping people along. I love it, and more than anything that is going to keep me with Ubuntu. Making Ubuntu better isn't a job for most of the people around here, its a labor of love, and it shows.

[SunnyRabbiera]

most of guys love linux only b'coz they hate monopoly & linux is free. I want to ask them how many of them really paid to microsoft when they used windows. according to a survey more than 95% of home users (who don't get free copy when purchasing comp) use illegal copy. Microsoft is not aware of this fact !!!.... I dont think so. If u think in PRACTICAL way, Both microsoft & linux are free :D & anyone can freely distribute it without any fear. :P

Actually Microsoft is very aware of people pirating Windows, why do you think XP has a regitration code that only works like 5 times.
And Microsoft is far from free, when you buy a computer you pay for windows too.
You can build a desktop computer with a Dual core, Nvidia, DVD burner and all the bells and whistles and only pay about $300 USD.
But there is a windows tax, wich adds a good 60 dollars or more to the price.

I want to ask you that if you were owner of microsoft then still you think that monopoly is bad ???....may be you'll BUT I'll not....& the same microsoft guys dont think that monopoly is bad... so, at least this shouldnt be the reason for choosing Linux.(to break monopoly)

You still ignore what I said, Microsoft has put down and intimidated its competition for a long time, I suggest you do your homework bud with all the SCO vs Linux crap several years back.
SCO was a company that Microsoft practically owned to wipe linux off the map, by saying linux violated bullcrap software patent laws.

I told you earlier that I've not affected by any virus since last year. & i am using internet everyday. guys contradict my statement by saying that may be i dont even know. Tell me, if my system performance is so good, no hang, no slowdown day by day. then how can i even think that my comp is affected with virus.
A virus may be delete the table of cpu or mem usage but it should affect my system.

You really dont know the nature of spyware and viruses.
Trust me bud that stuff can be stealth, sure it might look like your systerm is fine but if you gave your system a look over you would porbably have spyware and trojans up to wazoo.


We are here for learn the BEST. and i admit that Linux is best(as i see, is only security & programming point of view).

one more thing i want to ask is why microsoft have monopoly in market ???.... linux exists in market from so many years & its free, then why people are still using windows. are they FOOL ???... or they are not sure of existence of Linux. Whenever their is monopoly in market there must be something exist in market that others cant provide. Some good feature or something else. Take the example of Intel, now u'll say its bad, it has monopoly in market & all that. why dont people use Open Hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hardware). obviously they will have to pay less cost.


Linux just doesnt have the backing Microsoft does, thats how MS still owns the market...
They pay off the right people

[schauerlich]

You still ignore what I said, Microsoft has put down and intimidated its competition for a long time, I suggest you do your homework bud with all the SCO vs Linux crap several years back.
SCO was a company that Microsoft practically owned to wipe linux off the map, by saying linux violated bullcrap software patent laws.

...

Linux just doesnt have the backing Microsoft does, thats how MS still owns the market...
They pay off the right people

Must you sound so paranoid?

We are here for learn the BEST. and i admit that Linux is best(as i see, is only security & programming point of view).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUstep

[stwschool]

I think the OP is probably a kid on a wind-up. Let this die.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Must you sound so paranoid?


I didnt say the second line, and yes MS has tried to remove linux from the stage many times...
Its not paranoia its fact with all the IP claims.

[pwnst*r]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed) ok
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true) see #1
3) My system is stable see #1
4) I can play good games on windows. true
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating) false
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.) see #1
7) Easy to use. so is ubuntu

Thanks you're welcome

i'm not a fanboi of any OS, so read my answers above.

[schauerlich]

I didnt say the second line

Sorry, fixed. You misplaced a quote tag in your post.

[HereZiz]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

Unless you want to try out Linux and learn its internals through daily usage, you have no reason to switch. And if you did, in order to learn Linux, I suggest Arch, Gentoo or Slackware.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Unless you want to try out Linux and learn its internals through daily usage, you have no reason to switch. And if you did, in order to learn Linux, I suggest Arch, Gentoo or Slackware.

Uhh for the newcommer I would not use any of those.
Arch , Slack and Gentoo are more for hardcore linuxers then the common user.

[HereZiz]

Uhh for the newcommer I would not use any of those.
Arch , Slack and Gentoo are more for hardcore linuxers then the common user.

Well, given that the OP described Windows as something that works just fine for him/her, my suggestion is that s/he should switch only to learn the internals of Linux, which can be accomplished much faster and easier on Arch, Gentoo or Slackware.

As a "simple desktop replacement" Linux does not offer anything more than Windows, except lower license bill, but that's not the issue, given the OP owns it already.

[SunnyRabbiera]

Well, given that the OP described Windows as something that works just fine for him/her, my suggestion is that s/he should switch only to learn the internals of Linux, which can be accomplished much faster and easier on Arch, Gentoo or Slackware.

As a "simple desktop replacement" Linux does not offer anything more than Windows, except lower license bill, but that's not the issue, given the OP owns it already.

Yes but those distros are too "do it yourself" for the newcommer, lots of configuration involved.
Ubuntu and other desktop distros are there to make it easier to transition from windows to linux by offering a friendly interface for them to configure.
I would never tell the fresh off the bat XP user to use something like Slackware, Arch or Gentoo, I feel they are way too complex for the newcommer.

[HereZiz]

Yes but those distros are too "do it yourself" for the newcommer, lots of configuration involved.

I don't think you're understanding my point, so I'll try one more time.

In order to learn Linux internals, it is much better to use the "do it yourself" distros. Besides, I know lots of people whose first contact with Linux was with those distros, and they managed just fine. They accepted Linux for what it really is -- ie. not a copy of Windows (regardless of how many users and devs would like to turn Linux into) -- but an operating system with its own specifics and needs.

OP says Windows works just fine for him. And from that standpoint there is no need to switch to Linux, unless you want to learn it, from within, through daily usage, which can't be done on Ubuntu, OpenSuse or Fedora like it can be done with the minimalistic distros.

[SunnyRabbiera]

I don't think you're understanding my point, so I'll try one more time.

In order to learn Linux internals, it is much better to use the "do it yourself" distros. Besides, I know lots of people whose first contact with Linux was with those distros, and they managed just fine. They accepted Linux for what it really is -- ie. not a copy of Windows (regardless of how many users and devs would like to turn Linux into) -- but an operating system with its own specifics and needs.

OP says Windows works just fine for him. And from that standpoint there is no need to switch to Linux, unless you want to learn it, from within, through daily usage, which can't be done on Ubuntu, OpenSuse or Fedora like it can be done with the minimalistic distros.

But the main reason why people think that linux is so hard is because of distros like Arch, Gentoo and Slackware.
Yes one can see how linux works with those distros but for the everyday desktop user they are not ready for heavy manual configuration, compiling software, heavily using the command line, etc.
Distros like Mandriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Mepis, PCLinux are geared for those users who want their system to work right away without manually editing this that and the other.

What you suggest is not feasible for the new user, its like asking them to come from using a pre built car from Ford or Toyota or something and then showing them a buch of parts and telling them to build the car themselves.
You wont convince anyone to use linux that way.
But meh I guess you are one of those hardcore linuxers if you are praising Slackware, Gentoo and Arch so much.
Me I like to think linux can be used by anyone if given the chance and not need to know stuff like compiling and command line to get it working.

[Name change]

But the main reason why people think that linux is so hard is because of distros like Arch, Gentoo and Slackware.
Yes one can see how linux works with those distros but for the everyday desktop user they are not ready for heavy manual configuration, compiling software, heavily using the command line, etc.
Distros like Mandriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Mepis, PCLinux are geared for those users who want their system to work right away without manually editing this that and the other.

What you suggest is not feasible for the new user, its like asking them to come from using a pre built car from Ford or Toyota or something and then showing them a buch of parts and telling them to build the car themselves.
You wont convince anyone to use linux that way.
But meh I guess you are one of those hardcore linuxers if you are praising Slackware, Gentoo and Arch so much.
Me I like to think linux can be used by anyone if given the chance and not need to know stuff like compiling and command line to get it working.
It's not hard it's just differnet.
Or to put it differently: It's Linux.
Arch, Gentoo etc are what Linux is all about.
The easy settings made by more "mainstream" distros just "obfuscate" the real Linux inside.
Let's face it Linux is mainly still a hobbyist OS and even easy settings like YaST or Ubuntu can't change what is the underlying system. When something goes monumentally wrong, which in my experience will, you'll still need knowledge of CLI.
And what better way to learn it, than by installing the very OS in which you'll be using it.

[HereZiz]

Yes one can see how linux works with those distros but for the everyday desktop user they are not ready for heavy manual configuration, compiling software, heavily using the command line, etc.


I guess I'll have to draw it for you. Ok, then, I'll draw it for you:

1. The OP is satisfied with Windows. For his/her needs, Windows works just fine.
2. Linux does not offer anything more than Windows, especially not for the needs OP listed.
3. The only plausible reason to switch would be to learn the internals of Linux, not to use it as a replacement for something that already works just fine.

Get it?

Distros like Mandriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Mepis, PCLinux are geared for those users who want their system to work right away without manually editing this that and the other.

And to the OP, Windows works right away as well. So the only thing Linux can really offer is knowledge about operating systems which can be obtained much faster with minimalistic distros.


You wont convince anyone to use linux that way.

I don't have to and I certainly don't want to convince anyone to use Linux. I can point out advantages or disadvantages over another OS and suggest the user to try it for himself.

But if someone wants to learn Linux -- for what it really is -- then minimalistic distros are the way to go.

Otherwise it's nothing more than cheap zealotry with no real arguments and no honest suggestions for someone to try an OS.

But meh I guess you are one of those hardcore linuxers if you are praising Slackware, Gentoo and Arch so much.

I started using Linux in order to learn it, not to replace Windows. The fastest way was to start using it daily, not under a VM. In one month of using Arch I learned more about Linux internals than one year of using OpenSuse. And that's my whole point.

[cprofitt]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks



I have three licensed copies of Vista Ultimate, and unlimited ability to load Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch/Suse/etc
I have never had a virus with Windows and I have used it since 3.11, but I feel more confident in the security of my Ubuntu PCs
My Windows systems were stable (including ME), but so are my Linux systems
I no longer play PC games; buying video cards costs too much compared to an XBOX or PS3 due to the video card upgrade cycle of two years vs. five to six years on new consoles. The quality of PC games has declined as more of them are console ports now.
I get better speed with Ubuntu
There are many free programming environments in Ubuntu, but not knowing what software you are concerned with I can not give you an alternate
Windows is easy... OS X is easy... Ubuntu is easy... in fact my three year old uses Ubuntu.

Switching is not something you can be talked in too. You need to 'want' to do it and to feel comfortable with it.

[NFblaze]

Originally Posted by kushal.7
hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks



1) Congrats. I dont know where your from but alot people own Windows licenses. Even if they dont its massively pirated around the world. Espescially in third word countries. Which is definitely a negative that Windows is so expensive that poorer countries cant afford it and must pirate because of its monopolistic hold.

2)You sound really naive. I dont know how you can tell if you were attacked by a virus, if you dont have AV protection...oh wait in middle of post you changed and said you did have AV protection. Which one is it? Either way I tell you it may seem like your not under active attack but thats because malicious code is meant to be sneaky. Not to mention, I remember reading that most of the malicious code written are Trojan Horses. So, even if you not actively attack. You could be infected. Also, you might want to google rootkits.

3)How do you define stable? I run both Vista and Ubuntu. I must say that they seem equally stable except Ubuntu usually edges it out when it comes to better memory management...and even if Im using near max of my processor it manages that well also.

4) Me too. Although to be fair most games are made for Windows anyway without support for Linux. I play most my games on Windows. I dont mess with the console stuff, but alot other people do.

5)There are many benchmarks refuting that.

6) Yet, you never tell us what programming software. Anyway Linux distros tend to come standard with many compilers and languages bundled in it for development.

7) Besides the initial learning curve that is taken with something that is unfamiliar. Linux is pretty easy to use as well. On the other hand Windows has been difficult to use even as of today for many users, hence why they keep dumbing it down and making it overly user-friendly.

Also, another note. The view I get of people who use Linux is that they tend technologically saavy, and want to learn more about their systems and control it.

ALSO, I really dont think you should move to Linux. Your dependency on Windows, and your deplorable outlook of Linux shows that you are happily content with Windows. My suggestion is that you erase Linux and dont look back until your a bit older. Peace!

[SunnyRabbiera]

1. The OP is satisfied with Windows. For his/her needs, Windows works just fine.

Yes but personally I really dont support saying "use windows if it just works"

Linux can "just work", in fact for me Ubuntu and most other distros have "just worked" and I have seen that sometimes linux trumps windows out in terms of hardware detection and software compatibility.
Even wine can be surprising at times.

2. Linux does not offer anything more than Windows, especially not for the needs OP listed.

What about freedom, and the low cost of linux?

3. The only plausible reason to switch would be to learn the internals of Linux, not to use it as a replacement for something that already works just fine.

But one can learn the internals more easily on a desktop ready Linux such as Ubuntu, OpenSuse, ETC.
The new user barely has to use the command line in most modern linux desktop distros.
In Slackware, Arch and Gentoo thats another story, they are not desktop distros so they are complex, hard and not user friendly.
They are made for those who have had experience with linux for a long time, in order to make linux more popular those disrtros should not be looked at as examples.

And to the OP, Windows works right away as well. So the only thing Linux can really offer is knowledge about operating systems which can be obtained much faster with minimalistic distros.

What by compiling every last thing?
I think that linux is a viable candidate for the desktop, but telling someone they have to configure this, compile that is what makes linux scary to companies and newcomers.
This is why I think Ubuntu is a good thing, it makes linux something everyone to use, not just super geeks or programmers but for everyone.
Hey I know I dont compile software and use the terminal every minute, I am one of those users who has used windows for years and realised how bad it was and how good linux is and I did it all without command line

I don't have to and I certainly don't want to convince anyone to use Linux. I can point out advantages or disadvantages over another OS and suggest the user to try it for himself.

Yeh by suggesting something that can take hours to configure, the users you wish to attract will certainly repel back at how much work and fuss they have to do.

But if someone wants to learn Linux -- for what it really is -- then minimalistic distros are the way to go.

Yeh they will get the message "linux is hard and complicated"
Not the message I want to deliver.

I started using Linux in order to learn it, not to replace Windows. The fastest way was to start using it daily, not under a VM. In one month of using Arch I learned more about Linux internals than one year of using OpenSuse. And that's my whole point.

Well me I started using linux to replace windows, as windows gave me so much hassle and grief.
For me Linux has practically replaced windows in nearly all the computers in the house, I have seen that indeed Linux can be a good Windows replacement in a pinch.
And I have learned a lot about linux too, I know how to configure things and I know the system quite well without the need of a command line.
I know for most linuxers linux should goi back to the geeks, that it should go back to the days of command lines and compiling.
But me I see another path, linux on the desktop is on the rise.
With each year linux gets better, less need for command lines and heavy configuration and more time to sit back and relax while the system stays stable and secure.
The old days of command lines and compiling are almost behind us...

[Giant Speck]

Sunny, you are totally missing the point.

[schauerlich]

Sunny, you are totally missing the point.

That's his modus operandi.

[HereZiz]

Yes but personally I really dont support saying "use windows if it just works"

At this point I am sure you're just trolling and are not really interested in giving OP or anyone honest advice about Linux. Unfortunately for Linux, such bad advices and zealotry are the reason many shun Linux.


Linux can "just work", in fact for me Ubuntu and most other distros have "just worked" and I have seen that sometimes linux trumps windows out in terms of hardware detection and software compatibility.


If both just work, what's the point of switching, if not to learn Linux internals, which is what I am suggesting all along?


Even wine can be surprising at times.

But what's the point of switching to Linux just to use Windows programs again, and through a layer which is not 100% compatible?


What about freedom, and the low cost of linux?

Typical user does not care about that. OP doesn't either, stating how s/he owns the license already.


But one can learn the internals more easily on a desktop ready Linux such as Ubuntu, OpenSuse, ETC.


False. GUI oriented distros do not force you to go CLI and that is precisely the reason why you can't learn the stuff.

Take firewalls for example. You won't learn what iptables are and how it works with a GUI frontend that already presets zones and presents an easy to use list of services to pass through the wall.

And before you miss the point again and say that typical user won't use (or doesn't have to use) firewall or iptables, I'll restate it again: My point is to LEARN Linux internals, not to use the OS as easily as possible.

In Slackware, Arch and Gentoo thats another story, they are not desktop distros so they are complex, hard and not user friendly.


I take it you never really bothered to try those distros, because if you did, you'd find the truth was different. Especially with Arch. Having excellent documentation and straightforward configuration demands, it can be set up pretty fast.

I do agree that those distros are not for people seeking simple desktop replacement for Windows, that just want to point and click around and use the OS, but that's completely beside the point.


What by compiling every last thing?

In Gentoo only, and that's just a matter of issuing ONE command. On Slackware it may be required, but it takes few commands.

By the way, the core FOSS freedoms cannot be entertained without compiling software, so your point is moot.


Yeh by suggesting something that can take hours to configure, the users you wish to attract will certainly repel back at how much work and fuss they have to do.


You keep painting Linux as a simple desktop replacement for Windows. Linux is not that. I suggest you to read the following:

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm


Yeh they will get the message "linux is hard and complicated".

It does get the tendency to be hard and complicated, as soon as something breaks; the package is ill formated or the update brings incompatibility and everything starts falling appart. Which is something that happens very often in the Linux world.


Not the message I want to deliver.

So you prefer to lie?


Well me I started using linux to replace windows, as windows gave me so much hassle and grief.


Good for you. In my case, after years of using various distros, both on servers and desktop, both through CLI and GUI, I decided I want simple to use, point&click Windows, with no hassle where my printer and scanner works fine, where I can plug in my cellphone and use it as a modem or to manage messages, pictures, ...; where Flash works just fine, on all the pages on teh internetz. Where audio works just fine, etc....


But me I see another path, linux on the desktop is on the rise.

No doubt about it. Its usage share rises 0.01% per year. Kinda "slow" but it'll get there, you bet it will.

[SunnyRabbiera]

I am not trolling, we are just getting into an argument because you seem to represent the faction that likes to manually configure things and going back to the old days of learning linux the hard way.
I see it differently, I dont enjoy manually configuring things unless its 100% needed, I dont enjoy compiling or using the command line unless its 100% needed.
And really its not 100% needed, I barely have to touch a command line, compile a application or having to edit my core files to get my system working.
But even so I know a lot about how linux works, and what does what.
And I did it without Slack, Arch or Gentoo.
I consider myself an "average user", I use my computer for the same reasons most people do:
Internet
E mail
Chat
Home office
Multimedia
And games.

Most linux distros cover those areas quite well, games and multimedia are Linuxes weak points though I know the circumstances behind it.
At heart I guess I am sort of like the original poster, I want my system to be easy to use, easy to configure and have the ability to do what I need it to do.
And Ubuntu is one of those systems that qualifies, heck at times its easier to use then windows.

I believe in linux, I believe its time for it to come out into the public and be there to contend blow for blow with windows.
I know linux is not windows, you dont have to treat me like some sort of child.
What because I elect not to use more complex distros like Arch that makes me some sort of idiot or something?
I am no idiot, I have used linux for over 4 years now with very little issue compared to the nightmares I had on windows.
I know of Linuxes quirks and benefits, and I know that with the right help it could possibly topple over Windows in the desktop market.
All I am trying to say is my philosophy is that its time for linux to stop being something that seems catered for geeks only, Linux can be for everyone if given the chance I think its deserves.

[HereZiz]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If Windows works fine for you, don't switch, unless you want to learn the internals of another operating system. Fancy GUI "easy to use" distros won't teach you that as effectively as minimalist distros, though.



What because I elect not to use more complex distros like Arch that makes me some sort of idiot or something?

No, failure to understand my really simple point after several attempts to explain it to you, makes you one.

[rookcifer]

You've gotta love the Windows trolls who incessantly spread their FUD. These guys should be getting a check from Redmond any time now. ;)

[Regenweald]

That is very subjective.

It takes me less time to set up Arch Linux (a distribution which you set up from scratch, unlike Ubuntu) to fit my exact needs, than Ubuntu.

If I had a faster internet connection, it would have taken me less than 20 minutes to set up Arch, with X fully functioning, a window manager, and all the applications I need.

I got a bit off-topic here as far as what I quoted goes, so:

Ubuntu being the "easiest Linux distro" is a very subjective statement, Ubuntu is probably the easiest distro to use for people coming from the Windows world into the Linux world.

But, saying it's "the easiest Linux distro" in regardless to anything, is far from true.

Quite the Arch cheerleader...

As for the OP, from the tone of his posts, it seems like he has no interest in moving but is really enjoying all your attemps. 'Why should you convert?' , 'Why should i bother ?'

[khelben1979]

Because you want to?

[kushal.7]

Quite the Arch cheerleader...

As for the OP, from the tone of his posts, it seems like he has no interest in moving but is really enjoying all your attemps. 'Why should you convert?' , 'Why should i bother ?'

Its not like that. You guys convinced me to move to Linux. till now, i was doing the same thing as an normal user do. BUT now, I will try to get deeper into it. :)

[utnubuuser]

Use it or loose it!

[LasherHN]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

You shouldn't, if you're comfortable with your system stay there.

[Regenweald]

Its not like that. You guys convinced me to move to Linux. till now, i was doing the same thing as an normal user do. BUT now, I will try to get deeper into it. :)

Then have fun man, and apologies for my misinterpretation. I myself dual-boot, not really beacause I need any software in Windows, but i have a Lexmark X5410, that was a gift from my sister, and a MSi Starcam that i purchased in my 2 weeks of vista when i initially got my machine. Both have abysmal support in linux, so i created a modest 8 gig partition on my machine and put windows back on.

So I print and Skype in Windows, Live in Ubuntu. I often find myself in windows looking to click my terminal in Docky then aptitude update :)

If you want to tweak Ubuntu for more speed (which is a fun project), Look into BUM, Startup Manager and some sysctl.conf How-to's

See you around!

[starcannon]

hi friends,

I want to ask you that why should i move to Linux ???...

1) I have original windows(licensed)
2) I didn't attack by any virus from past 1 year.(yeah, its true)
3) My system is stable
4) I can play good games on windows.
5) Better speed than ubuntu.(booting & shutting down & hibernating)
6) Programming (I have some programming software which is not supported by ubuntu.)
7) Easy to use.

Thanks

Based off your 7 point list, it sounds like computing bliss right where your at; why are you considering another OS? *smells something odd about this post*

[dstempfley]

most of guys love linux only b'coz they hate monopoly & linux is free. I want to ask them how many of them really paid to microsoft when they used windows. according to a survey more than 95% of home users (who don't get free copy when purchasing comp) use illegal copy. Microsoft is not aware of this fact !!!.... I dont think so. If u think in PRACTICAL way, Both microsoft & linux are free :D & anyone can freely distribute it without any fear. :P

I paid for every release of Windows, I've used, as well as, Mac OS X, Solaris, BSD, and SCO. I don't use Linux because it's free. I use it because it works for my requirements. I still use many of the other systems listed, because they meet my requirements. So, why should someone switch... Simply put, because it meets their requirements, whatever they may be.

I told you earlier that I've not affected by any virus since last year. & i am using internet everyday. guys contradict my statement by saying that may be i dont even know. Tell me, if my system performance is so good, no hang, no slowdown day by day. then how can i even think that my comp is affected with virus.
A virus may be delete the table of cpu or mem usage but it should affect my system.


In my experience as a security professional, any person/company that believes they have not or will not be the victim of a successful security compromise (including malware) doesn't have the right tools to detect what has already occurred. You could be the exception, but I doubt it.

one more thing i want to ask is why microsoft have monopoly in market ???.... linux exists in market from so many years & its free, then why people are still using windows. are they FOOL ???... or they are not sure of existence of Linux. Whenever their is monopoly in market there must be something exist in market that others cant provide. Some good feature or something else. Take the example of Intel, now u'll say its bad, it has monopoly in market & all that. why dont people use Open Hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hardware). obviously they will have to pay less cost.

The existence and use of alternatives, by definition negates the idea that Microsoft is a monopoly. Face it, marketing builds brand recognition, and brand recognition is critical to product choice. Because the Linux distributions are generally free, there are few organizations with marketing dollars necessary to push the brand.

There are too many issues for the general user to deal with. Which distribution, which desktop, which applications (there are generally several for each function), which shell, etc. They are confusing to someone that simply wants to load and go. The key for me comes into compatibility. We are just starting to see consistent deployment of applications that support Windows and Mac OS X. Until applications include a Linux release as well, I don't think adoption as a general desktop tool will go very far. I personally hate the inability to distribute DVD player that will support commercial DVD's out of the box.

/Dion

[Anastasis]

I can't speak for why anyone else should or would move to Linux from Windows. But for myself it was out of practical necessity. I needed to make podcast recordings for various church functions, and I needed a system that could be used anywhere on the go. Windows/Cakewalk was simply too sluggish, made too many drops, and had far too much latency to be of any use on my Netbook. The need was filled by Ubuntu/Ardour in combination.

It's that simple for me. Linux worked, Windows didn't. End of story.